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Throwing my vote in for more goodies for the White Mage arcanist. Also a healer-type sorcerer bloodline would be cool too as well as the suggestion someone made earlier about Empathic Healing for some of the occult classes :)
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Glad to know Chris is on my side. I mean I know Rysky is too, but more is better. :)
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I would love a positive energy plane sorcerer bloodline.
A spell(0-1st) that cures/removes the effects of alcohol and drugs and another spell(2nd-4th) that cures addiction.
Non-magical means of dealing with restoration-level maladies or no buy. Divine magic's exclusive lock on healing is one of the biggest issues of this game and needs to be addressed.
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Really, the only two things I'd really like to see is a (NOT OCCULT) Heal skill Skill Unlock that allows for more mundane means of healing and use, but one that a Cleric or Druid could use just as well as anyone else, without needing a feat or new rules.
Secondly, I'd like to see a lot more ways to utilize healing while also doing other things. Or to do other things and also offer a little bit of healing (Removing/Curing/Neutralizing).
Non-magical means of dealing with restoration-level maladies or no buy. Divine magic's exclusive lock on healing is one of the biggest issues of this game and needs to be addressed.That's kinda the entire point of magical healing.
The entire point of magical healing is making it so that it's literally impossible to run an effective party without a 9th level caster? I mean, okay.
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The entire point of magical healing is making it so that it's literally impossible to run an effective party without a 9th level caster? I mean, okay.Non-magical means of dealing with restoration-level maladies or no buy. Divine magic's exclusive lock on healing is one of the biggest issues of this game and needs to be addressed.That's kinda the entire point of magical healing.
... what?
What does that have to do with the first thing?
You can't have an effective party without access to restoration and the other non-cure heal spells on the 9th level curve. One person gets hit with Mummy Rot and you can't get rid of it, your adventuring day is done, over, gotta go back to town and find a cleric before you do anything else.
Wizards do their job better than anyone else by a long shot but it's actually feasible to emulate the wizard's job with other classes if you really don't want to play a wizard. Can't say the same for Cleric/Oracle, and non-magical ways of healing is the best way to resolve this.
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You can't have an effective party without access to restoration and the other non-cure heal spells on the 9th level curve. One person gets hit with Mummy Rot and you can't get rid of it, your adventuring day is done, over, gotta go back to town and find a cleric before you do anything else.
Wizards do their job better than anyone else by a long shot but it's actually feasible to emulate the wizard's job with other classes if you really don't want to play a wizard. Can't say the same for Cleric/Oracle, and non-magical ways of healing is the best way to resolve this.
Or do what's already done and get potions, wands, and scrolls.
A spell(0-1st) that cures/removes the effects of alcohol and drugs and another spell(2nd-4th) that cures addiction.
Many modules and adventure paths treat remove disease as your go-to spell for curing addiction. Removing the effects of alcohol and drugs is trickier, because drugs and alcohol are, by the rules, considered poisons and thus subject to neutralize poison.
I still hope in a channeling inquisitor.
Channeling Inquisitor huh?
Also don't mind if they managed to make a wild blood mutation from Celestial into Positive Energy Plane bloodline.
Just learned about this...
It's too late to submit proposals, isn't it? :/
Drejk,
Probably.
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Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?
Even if it doesn't end up affecting this book, I'm sure it'll be useful for later products. ^_^
Yes, but I was talking about spells that specialize in those areas.
Dragon,
You were? I thought Drejk was.
Isabelle,
One can only hope.
Too be clear I was responding to Ashram about my wish for spells that cure/remove alcohol/drugs and cure addiction.
Well thanks for clarifying that.
I'd rather still have more features/arcane exploits for white mage myself. That and wild blooded sorcerer that has Positive Energy connections.
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Just learned about this...
It's too late to submit proposals, isn't it? :/
It's too late to submit proposals 99.9% of the time.
That's repeating, of course.
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It's never too late to submit proposals! ^_^
...it is, however, often too late for your proposals to influence the specific product you're commenting on.
Yep. Next time, think faster. :p :)
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It was more then likely too late to submit proposals for this product when it was first announced. But we can still dream;)
Non-magical means of dealing with restoration-level maladies or no buy. Divine magic's exclusive lock on healing is one of the biggest issues of this game and needs to be addressed.
1) Wands of CLW have long replaced the need for a 'healer'
2) Loads of classes have ways to access healing spells
3) If anything the reverse is true, divine magic has virtually no 'lock ins'
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Non-magical means of dealing with restoration-level maladies or no buy. Divine magic's exclusive lock on healing is one of the biggest issues of this game and needs to be addressed.1) Wands of CLW have long replaced the need for a 'healer'
2) Loads of classes have ways to access healing spells
3) If anything the reverse is true, divine magic has virtually no 'lock ins'
The problem stated above is Restoration, not Cure : conditions, not HPs ;-)
Condition removal is not exclusively divine and anyway thats why people walk around with decent UMD and scrolls of lesser restoration!
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Non-magical means of dealing with restoration-level maladies or no buy. Divine magic's exclusive lock on healing is one of the biggest issues of this game and needs to be addressed.1) Wands of CLW have long replaced the need for a 'healer'
2) Loads of classes have ways to access healing spells
3) If anything the reverse is true, divine magic has virtually no 'lock ins'
Man, oh man, I had a player once who thought that he and his party could replace the role of a healer with a wand of cure light wounds.
He's very much enjoying his second character in our campaign, a life oracle. >:)
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Non-magical means of dealing with restoration-level maladies or no buy. Divine magic's exclusive lock on healing is one of the biggest issues of this game and needs to be addressed.1) Wands of CLW have long replaced the need for a 'healer'
2) Loads of classes have ways to access healing spells
3) If anything the reverse is true, divine magic has virtually no 'lock ins'
Man, oh man, I had a player once who thought that he and his party could replace the role of a healer with a wand of cure light wounds.
He's very much enjoying his second character in our campaign, a life oracle. >:)
I once had a party almost last until 5th level with that philosophy. Almost... Needless to say, we haven't had a party since without some type of healer.
I once had a party almost last until 5th level with that philosophy. Almost... Needless to say, we haven't had a party since without some type of healer.
The issue was more that divine classes have somehow cornered the market on healing, I was stating that this isnt the case.
Also that you dont need a 'healer' in the party as a specific role.....it has associations with 'Healbot'!!!|
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Condition removal is not exclusively divine and anyway thats why people walk around with decent UMD and scrolls of lesser restoration!
Decent UMD means 6+ skill points per level (or 4+ and skill point rather than HP) and/or INT-based class, UMD as a class skill and not CHA as a dumpstat. Not that many possibilities left then, especially if you do not want to specialize that heavily in UMD
Condition removal is not exclusively divine and anyway thats why people walk around with decent UMD and scrolls of lesser restoration!Decent UMD means 6+ skill points per level (or 4+ and skill point rather than HP) and/or INT-based class, UMD as a class skill and not CHA as a dumpstat. Not that many possibilities left then, especially if you do not want to specialize that heavily in UMD
Alternately, Skill focus can alleviate some of that. (but is a different type of investment)
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Alternately, Skill focus can alleviate some of that. (but is a different type of investment)Condition removal is not exclusively divine and anyway thats why people walk around with decent UMD and scrolls of lesser restoration!Decent UMD means 6+ skill points per level (or 4+ and skill point rather than HP) and/or INT-based class, UMD as a class skill and not CHA as a dumpstat. Not that many possibilities left then, especially if you do not want to specialize that heavily in UMD
Also don't forget the +2 you get for subsequent use of that specific item.
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Also don't forget the +2 you get for subsequent use of that specific item.
*stumped* The what now?
Activate Blindly: Some magic items are activated by special words, thoughts, or actions. You can activate such an item as if you were using the activation word, thought, or action, even when you're not and even if you don't know it. You do have to perform some equivalent activity in order to make the check. That is, you must speak, wave the item around, or otherwise attempt to get it to activate. You get a +2 bonus on your Use Magic Device check if you've activated the item in question at least once before. If you fail by 9 or less, you can't activate the device. If you fail by 10 or more, you suffer a mishap. A mishap means that magical energy gets released but doesn't do what you wanted it to do. The default mishaps are that the item affects the wrong target or that uncontrolled magical energy is released, dealing 2d6 points of damage to you. This mishap is in addition to the chance for a mishap that you normally risk when you cast a spell from a scroll that you could not otherwise cast yourself.
That seems to only apply with the activate blindly-portion, that has a DC of 25 normally (whereas using a wand is a DC20).
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Also don't forget the +2 you get for subsequent use of that specific item.*stumped* The what now?
Activate Blindly: Some magic items are activated by special words, thoughts, or actions. You can activate such an item as if you were using the activation word, thought, or action, even when you're not and even if you don't know it. You do have to perform some equivalent activity in order to make the check. That is, you must speak, wave the item around, or otherwise attempt to get it to activate. You get a +2 bonus on your Use Magic Device check if you've activated the item in question at least once before. If you fail by 9 or less, you can't activate the device. If you fail by 10 or more, you suffer a mishap. A mishap means that magical energy gets released but doesn't do what you wanted it to do. The default mishaps are that the item affects the wrong target or that uncontrolled magical energy is released, dealing 2d6 points of damage to you. This mishap is in addition to the chance for a mishap that you normally risk when you cast a spell from a scroll that you could not otherwise cast yourself.That seems to only apply with the activate blindly-portion, that has a DC of 25 normally (whereas using a wand is a DC20).
Awww, that sucks.
Per Kali's request, hmm, I wouldn't mind an attunement or item mastery feat to be used with healing items and wands and the like.
Personally I think all classes should have archetypes and feats that grant healing/curative options of some kind.
I could get behind that idea too. I actually enjoy healing and I think it would be good for there to be a lot more variety in the classes that can play 'backup/little healer' to the 'main healer' classes like the cleric and the oracle. If nothing else, it would let people feel more free to play what they want without having to worry about how they're going to keep up with condition removal and such at higher levels if no one wants to play a cleric or an oracle.
Delightful as this tangent of old cleric arguments (and its child-tangent of UMD rules) is, perhaps a product thread isn't the ideal place for it.
Let's at least tailor the rehashed arguments more closely to the product at hand. ^_^
Like more options for white mage arcanist exploits Kal?
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I'd like some feats/items that can modify channeled healing (add an ability score to channeling healing total amount, increase die size, etc), and the same for adding flat numbers to cure spells (amulet that adds +1-+5 to cure spells, or +1/die of healing).
I agree, the problem I see with healing is it is so swingy, I know that damaging magic is kinda the same but a bit more static to healing would be better
I hope (in vain) there's nothing in it for the witch. I recently started playing a "dedicated" healer witch (hedge witch/herb witch with healing patron I love the themes but hate the redundancies caused by this combo) and would be a little frustrated if there's a better option for archetypes, patrons and to a lesser extent hexes.
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I agree with Rysky. As a DM/GM, I'd allow for retraining. It shouldn't be that hard to make a character you like, especially if you find something you want to add to.