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Cthulhudrew wrote:Could that masked character with Merisiel be the Red Raven?Actually that guy I believe is the new Vigilante Iconic.
I think he means has the Red Raven become the new vigilante iconic? It's not too far fetched and if it's an update I could see the visual update.
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
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My thoughts on the cover art-Dynamic Entry perpetrated by something along the lines of "Sorry about the mess, but the Skull of Venca belongs in a museum, not in your grubby hands, DON ZUAN!!.*guards come in to stop them, a fight ensues, and the heroes triumph* gentle men and ladies I bid you a good evening and goodbye."
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zergtitan wrote:I think he means has the Red Raven become the new vigilante iconic? It's not too far fetched and if it's an update I could see the visual update.Cthulhudrew wrote:Could that masked character with Merisiel be the Red Raven?Actually that guy I believe is the new Vigilante Iconic.
Or it Could be the crimson Cowl, The scarlet rook, or even The Bloody Magpie. Who knows what face lies behind that dashing disguise... I Have no clue but i believe it is a man.
Also i love that the pair appear to be crashing into the shortest, most evil looking man at the masked ball..or at least Merisiel is.
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Cthulhudrew |
I think he means has the Red Raven become the new vigilante iconic? It's not too far fetched and if it's an update I could see the visual update.
That is indeed what I meant. Why invent a brand new iconic (with similar guise) when you've already got an established one you could use to showcase the vigilante class?
EDIT: Plus, tattered red cloak.
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Speaking of the ferret, I hope that the warlock talent for getting a familiar with a secret identity from the playtest is now available for the base vigilante, or at least an option to give an existing familiar or animal companion a secret identity. Spunky animal sidekicks are definitely fun.
Edit: Hmm, I wonder if there's a way to get a pseudo-Leadership feat, or a talent or base ability that interacts with Leadership, to snag a vigilante Robin to your Batman. Looking forward to this...
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
guess which one might be the host of the party on the cover. my best guess is the one that seems to be going "NO. Not my priceless wooden adornments and furnishings!!!" as the heroes come crashing in from on high to ruin the day of the unfortunate about to become a landing platform for the dynamic duo (Who I Will henceforth think of as THE GREAT DON ZUAN).
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Speaking of the ferret, I hope that the warlock talent for getting a familiar with a secret identity from the playtest is now available for the base vigilante, or at least an option to give an existing familiar or animal companion a secret identity. Spunky animal sidekicks are definitely fun.
Edit: Hmm, I wonder if there's a way to get a pseudo-Leadership feat, or a talent or base ability that interacts with Leadership, to snag a vigilante Robin to your Batman. Looking forward to this...
Well there is Cohorts and Companions which adds some of those things. Though hopefully we don't have the robin curse of a good number getting axed off in horrendous ways, or surviving just long enough to get a bullet in the back of the head.
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Nah, it isn't a ferret. If you zoom in, it's the outline of a woman, seemingly with her hand up to her mouth as she gasps.
So, let's say that is a ferret in the image...
LORD FAR’RETT ENTRIIGO CR 2
XP 200
Awakened male ferret vigilante 1
N Tiny magical beast (augmented animal)
Init +3; Senses darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision, scent; Perception +6
DEFENSE
AC 18, touch 15, flat-footed 15 (+2 armor, +3 Dex, +1 natural, +2 size)
hp 23 (4 HD; 2d8+2d10)
Fort +6, Ref +11, Will +4
OFFENSE
Speed 20 ft., climb 20 ft.
Melee mwk rapier +6 (1d2–4), bite +1 (1d3–4 plus attach)
Space 2-1/2 ft.; Reach 0 ft.
Special Attacks hidden strike
STATISTICS
Str 3, Dex 16, Con 10, Int 15, Wis 12, Cha 8
Base Atk +3; CMB +4; CMD 14 (18 vs. trip)
Feats Weapon Finesse, Skill Focus (Disguise)
Skills Acrobatics +18, Bluff +4, Climb +9, Diplomacy +4, Disguise +7, Escape Artist +8, Knowledge (nobility) +7, Perception +6, Stealth +15; Racial Modifiers +4 Stealth, +8 Acrobatics
SQ dual identity (Furred Avenger; NG), seamless guise, social talent (social grace [Disguise]), vigilante specialization (stalker)
Gear +1 leather armor, mwk rapier, cloak of resistance +1
SPECIAL ABILITIES
Attach (Ex) When Far’rett hits with a bite attack, he automatically grapples his foe, inflicting automatic bite damage each round.
Korvosan nobles have a habit of overstepping their boundaries. When a noble family began encroaching on the woods outside of the city, the druid Miraneth chose to confront them. With his ferret companion in tow, he took on the noble family. What began as simple sabotage and guerrilla tactics, soon spiraled out of control. The nobles learned of the druid's work and hired a pair of mercenaries to capture him and burn down the woods, finally clearing the land for a new mansion. As he was taken in the night, Miraneth's cries to Shelyn echoed through the trees, overwhelming the ferret's senses as it ran away. Moments later, the Eternal Rose's blessing came down on the ferret, filling him with the spark of intelligence and creativity. The animal awoke to understand why he was blessed: it was up to him to rescue Miraneth and stop the noble plot. With his new skills, he took on the role of Lord Far'rett Entriigo, curious noble from a distant land. When not engaged in the noble courts, Far'rett dons the guise of the Furred Avenger defender of the weak and champion of nature.
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
.....ya...to super-hero looking. It's like a medieval Deadpool....
I think its meant to be a blend of 2 styles, the piccareque heroes like zorro, the scarlet pimpernel or to pull from the court jester, the black fox, and the cowled and caped heroes of popular culture. Its unfortunate that people complain about something being too super hero looking. If you were to probably play a vigilante EXACTLY like a super hero from the comics, you probably are going to die in record time (even the batman clones).
ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester |
That new Iconic is very ugly.
Looks like a poor man's Batman.
And what's up with the super-long head?Really bad costume design.
Not excited.
1. It probably is. Vigilantes probably don't start off with a lot of money for gear, so they are not going to have much more than some leather armour, a fancy dagger, some climbing gear, and a handful of extra items or weapons, and the hooded read cloak. Batman he is not. Batman has a mechanised grappling hook and billions of dollars worth of equipment for one.
2.the Vigilante is being depicted from an angle, and a low angle at that, so some of the proportions visable are distorted as such.
3.The Mask is shaped, but not quite completely form fitting, so some of the features are still not going to be 100% of the head. He could even be wearing a mask under the cowl for all we know.
Its still your opinion if you like it or not. You don't have to play as him. When you get the book, you can play as whatever you like.
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An iconic hero should look interesting and cool. So far everyone of them did.
To me this one (if it really is the iconic Vigilante) does not.
The knee pads and helmet/mask are way to bulky to be part of a costume/armor that can be changed quickly without magical help like a bag of tricks.
Also the "self-made" look of the headpiece due to the stitches in the middle doesn't do itself a favor.
When i think of iconic masked Pathfinder figures a "Red Mantis Assassin" or "Hellknight" or even the iconic half-orc "Assassin" come to mind immediately.
All of them are a better design.
Nothing about this guy on the cover is iconic. Not the color scheme, not the weapons or any part of his outfit.
Merisiel looks way better.
Why not use the "Master Spy" prestige class on the cover?
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An iconic hero should look interesting and cool. So far everyone of them did.
To me this one (if it really is the iconic Vigilante) does not.
The knee pads and helmet/mask are way to bulky to be part of a costume/armor that can be changed quickly without magical help like a bag of tricks.
Also the "self-made" look of the headpiece due to the stitches in the middle doesn't do itself a favor.
When i think of iconic masked Pathfinder figures a "Red Mantis Assassin" or "Hellknight" or even the iconic half-orc "Assassin" come to mind immediately.
All of them are a better design.
Nothing about this guy on the cover is iconic. Not the color scheme, not the weapons or any part of his outfit.
Merisiel looks way better.
Why not use the "Master Spy" prestige class on the cover?
Okay for starters, think about how you remove knee pads. These you probably undo with a set of straps or ties. fairly simple. The Vambraces probably come off in much the same way. the cloak has a easy to remove design. Now the rest probably come off fairly simply. remove mask, top half and bottom half(after undoing the belt first) and you should probably be in at most a simple undershirt and underwear. Also where are you going to change as a vigilante? Probably in a safe spot, where you probably had prepared ahead of time some spare clothes or an outfit to hide in.
Also if they simply used the master spy design, it would be partially redundant and confusing, like "Why is there the master spy on my ultimate intrigue book? I can understand that it sort of relates to intrigue with being a spy and all, but where is my iconic character?" Every player had at least some of the iconics (or races) contained within doing their thing(or in the case of the bestiary books, the monsters contained within). Its a sort of cover coding for what sort of things are in the book so people can tell from a glance if they would like to get it to add to their collection. If i saw only monsters from bestiary 1 on the cover of my bestiary 5 book, i wouldn't probably get it unless i already knew what was in it.
And "the nothing about this guys outfit is iconic?", Answer me this. IN WHAT PATHFINDER BOOKS HAVE YOU SEEN THIS SORT OF PERSON BEFORE? NOT MANY I CAN TELL YOU THAT. Even if you personally hate the look of the character, YOU DO REMEMBER SOMETHING LIKE THAT. You remember who they are. And just to clarify, i don't care for the design of the cavalier iconic, the Warpriest iconic, or the Wizard Iconic. Do I HAVE to play as them specifically. ABSOLUTELY NOT. Will I Play A Wizard, Cavalier or Warpriest...maybe i will, maybe i won't. I certainly won't play as the Antipaladin Iconic(I just don't like his design), Though I would play as an Insinuator Antipaladin of my own development(Gwendolyn Thistleton was my choice of name).
There is NOTHING stopping you from not playing the Iconic Vigilante. If you don't like the character, don't play as them. You can play who ever you want. Its your choice. But please don't make the thread discussion all about how you don't like the look of the character on the cover. Taste is subjective, and a good number of the iconics are not very interesting to me.
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Okay......
Everyone lets not get in an argument about art. After all beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and everyone is a critic. Some iconics a we'll like the look of and others we won't is just a part of the art world.
My own opinion is that the long eyebrow Gnome and huge pupil eyed elves are disagreeable to me, but others like the alien look to those characters and I just leave it be myself.
In terms of the appearance there are a couple of details we ALL need to examine before we start snapping at each other,
1. We haven't seen the character backstory yet as the iconic could have a social persona of a local backer thus making adventuring gear costs cheap.
2.we haven't gotten the official iconic solo image yet which will allow us to see more details of the iconic.
So let's leave this thread to the upcoming book and hold the character bickering (critique/support) till the official iconic reveal blog.
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zergtitan wrote:After all beauty is in the eyes of the beholderDon't you know Beholders are still held enthralled by those dastardly wizards that live on the coast? ;)
Also don't Beholders have multiple eyestalks that can cause all kinds of nasty things including disintegration. If Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder, then Beauty=destruction and harm. If Beauty=destruction and harm, then that means Rovagas, Zon-kuthon, And Lahamashtu are gods of beauty. And if they are gods of Beauty, then Shelya isn't the goddess of beauty at all and if that is true...THEN WHAT MANNER OF HORRORS HAS THE FOOLS WORSHIPING HER BROUGHT INTO THE WORLD!!!!