Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Intrigue (PFRPG)

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Words Cut Deep

In the right setting, a single scathing word can prove deadlier than a poisoned dagger. Behind the scenes of heroic battles and magical realms lies a seething underbelly of danger and deception. This world of intrigue holds endless possibilities for adventure, as heroes duel with words instead of steel, plot daring heists, and engage in battles of wills against relentless nemeses. A high-stakes game of shadows and secrets is yours to master—if you have the wits!

Whether the heroes are taming the blood-soaked back alleys of their favorite metropolis or jockeying for the queen's favor alongside highborn nobles, Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Intrigue is an invaluable companion to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 10 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into a new era.

Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Intrigue includes:

  • The vigilante, a new character class that lives two lives—that of an unassuming member of the community, and a cloaked crusader with his own agenda!
  • New archetypes for alchemists, bards, druids, hunters, inquisitors, investigators, mesmerists, rangers, rogues, slayers, spiritualists, and more!
  • New feats and magic items for characters of all sorts, granting mastery of street-smart combat, impenetrable disguises, and misdirection.
  • Dozens of spells to manipulate tense social settings, whether to reveal adversaries' secrets or hide the truth.
  • A complete system of influence, providing new goals and rewards to challenge players and link their fortunes to nonplayer characters and organizations.
  • Systems and advice to help Game Masters introduce a variety of new encounters into their games­—daring heists, extended pursuits, and tense searches for buried secrets.
  • Rules for social combat and verbal duels, allowing characters to use words as weapons to sway hearts and humiliate foes.
  • ... and much, much more!

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1/5

Don't get me wrong I love Paizo books, I love their work, and I'm proud to own almost all of their publications.

However, Ultimate Intrigue is the one book I regret buying. It's even more than that, it's the one book i regret they ever published.

We need rules and systems, ok. We need a magic system because magic isn't a real thing. We need a combat system otherwise playing with your grilfriend become home abuse. But we don't need a social system because it's a ROLEPLAYING game. Either you want intrigue heavy campaign and you roleplay them, or you want to dungeon crawl or investigate (that's fine too) and you don't play intrigues. You can even do both and it's great.

Aside from that massive problem, the book suffers from "a turn normal actions into feats/class ability" syndrome. I can't count the number of time where players made me fighters to wizards or rogues with a dual identity. We didn't need the Vigilante, and still don't. And I loved when wizard use to get clever and ask for linguistics/bluff roll to blend a spell into a phrase. Now you need a feat for it. Thanks, Ultimate Intrigue. If that was not enough, some of these nonsense feat are built in feat tax chains.

But the one thing I hate the most about this book is the stupid FAQ it bestowed upon us to promote itself (https://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9tza). That makes a whole school of magic (illusion) utterly useless, and destroys a lot of others (enchantment).

Now I know I can just refuse to use it. But i use to love pathfinder for the clarity and perfect sense with out need to houserule much.

Now it's gone.


I'm tired of paizo trying to stuff this book down our face

1/5

If I was playing a home campaign this book might be more fitting,

For society play this verbal debate and other ideas for this book really bog down the game play. I like social aspect of games and role playing but as I said society play it slows the game way down to try and get people up to snuff on the mechanics


An amazing new class in a hit and miss supplement

4/5

So, Ultimate Intrigue took a long time for me to come to a complete opinion on.

The Vigilante class introduced in this book is, in my opinion, easily the best non-spellcasting class Paizo has ever created. It breaks up its social options and combat options in such a way that you have a great character able to participate in all areas of the game without having to choose whether you want to be competent in combat or in the myriad other facets of the game like exploration, social encounters, etc. It has deep and well-designed talents that allow you to pick any of a variety of different ways to participate in combat, with or without weapons, and numerous tools for allowing players to influence the story with safe houses, contacts, and more.

At PAX Prime 2016 I had the opportunity to visit Paizo's Pathfinder demo area and play their pregenerated vigilante character. I honestly didn't expect it to go terribly well; after all, the vigilante is a class built around balancing two identities and moving between different social strata, so you'd think that this would require a more controlled environment where you know the other players in advance and have time to plan out how your character fits into the game world with your GM ahead of time, right? Turns out, I was wrong. The vigilante class is well-crafted enough that even while playing a 1st level pregen I was able to easily deal with situations in and out of combat, and it took me about 60 seconds of conversation to establish with the group that I had a secret identity they were privy to and might need them to cover for my character from time to time if he needed to swap identities. It didn't hurt matters that the only downside to anyone learning a vigilante's secret identity is that, well, they know his or her secret identity. You can go all Tony Stark if you want, announce that you are Iron Man, and carry on as normal. Very few of the vigilante's abilities actually require you to maintain truly secret identities, and the only real hit you take is that you're a bit easier to find by magical means (though even this can be addressed with clever use of the Safe House Social Talent).

The book also elaborates on the intent behind numerous spells that often prove problematic for GMs in games where they want to have a focus on gritty investigation of mystery, such as the various detect spells, speak with dead, etc.

I think my biggest disappointments with the book, and the reason I can't give it 5 stars, lie in the feats and archetypes. I'll start with the feats, and a bit about why I see most of them as representative of missed opportunities.

To start with, Pathfinder's skill system is heavily dated. When Paizo brought it over from 3.5, they combined a few extraneous skills, but otherwise did little to update things, meaning the core area of the rules covering everything in the game that isn't casting spells or hitting things is now well over a decade old and out of date. Several skills don't even actually work, or work well, as written, have interactions you're just supposed to kind of assume or make up (Ride and Handle Animal are a mess, Stealth requires one to check out FAQs and blog posts online to use as intended, Bluff and Diplomacy have more than a few vague areas and inconsistencies, etc.), so what better book to address, update, and expand these core components of the game than a book about playing skill and intrigue heavy campaigns? Unfortunately, Paizo chose not to go that route, instead relying on feats to stretch skills over their gaps and issues, leading to many of the feats in the this book providing skill uses that I've seen GMs at hundreds of tables houserule as basic functions of those skills to begin with. Instead of formalizing intuitive uses of existing skills into their basic function, they added a feat tax to allow characters to do things many people already thought they could do. While there is a section in the book going over several of the vague areas in a few key skills, these are primarily common sense clarifications instead of the full address the skills could have used.

The archetypes, like many Paizo hardcovers, are all over the place. Some of them are interesting and dynamic, like the Masked Performer bard archetype, some show an attempt at embodying a cool and modern concept but fail to achieve that concept in the actual execution, like the Magical Child vigilante archetype, and some are just plain bad, so obviously terribly designed that you almost wonder if the person who wrote them has ever actually played Pathfinder, like the Brute vigilante archetype.

Now, don't let the above wall of negativity mislead you; there is a lot of great stuff in this book, including perhaps the most inspired and well-crafted class Paizo has ever produced, a class that introduces really interesting design concepts, plays with components of the class chassis we haven't seen classes treat as quite so malleable before, and is a genuinely fun and interesting class to play in and of itself. Despite many of the feats ranging from useless to frustrating, there are still quite a few that are interesting and viable, and while the archetypes are very hit or miss, that's generally true of Paizo books in general and probably shouldn't be held against this one in particular.

My final verdict on Ultimate Intrigue is 4 stars, and a strong recommendation to pick it up, if for no other reason than to add the Vigilante class to your game (though there definitely are other reasons to add this book to your collection).


Pathfinder presents Batman!

4/5

No seriously. The vigilante class is freaking batman. Look at the art for chapter one and for the character. HE'S BATMAN. Of course they also have archetypes if you want to make Hulk, Sailor Moon, even He-Man. With the archetypes from other books the list goes on.
My favorite part, and I cannot wait to test this properly in a game, is the social combat. It works a lot like playing craps or roulette. You get a pool of Determination points which you use to place a bet then you roll off with your social skills check! Seriously it sounds like lots of fun!


Some good, some bad

3/5

There is really a good amount of cool things in here like the vigilante evne thought i dont like the dual identity system. it feels like a better fighter, which is something i've wanted for a while. but the problem is there's too many rules for things that didnt really need them, so it kind of drags down everything because of it. Some clarification is okay, but this was too much of putting rules on things that didn't need it for me.


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Agreed Axial. I totally love that now I can be an LE Anti-paladin of Asmodeus and/or some other Arch Devil.


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Mark's Teasers for easier reading,

Spoiler:
Vigilante (this part isn't new information; Jason revealed it at Dragoncon):
*Vigilante now has two specializations, stalker or avenger, but many talents can be used by any vigilante.
*Warlock and zealot are now archetypes.
Archetypes:
*Vigilante has a magical girl archetype with a transformation sequence,
*an occult-y/gadget archetype that makes particular gadgets/focus objects to perform occultist focus powers,
*a gun-based vigilante.
*Tyrant antipaladin is a LE antipaladin archetype.
Spells:
*Matchmaker temporarily makes two creatures fall in love and has a hilarious picture of Mel using the spell on Valeros and Merisiel while Kyra protests.
*Plenty of other tricky spells, including the ruse descriptor, which makes a spell seem to be another unless the person IDing it succeeds by 10 or more (examples include treacherous teleport, where you screw over the other passengers of your teleport).
Items:
*Quick Change Mask is an expendable item that either grants disguise self or a vigilante identity swap when removing the mask (a move action).
*There's also an amulet that appears to be 10x more valuable than it is and a nondescript book that can record everything people say nearby.


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zergtitan wrote:

Mark's Teasers for easier reading,

** spoiler omitted **

And now I really hate Meligaster. Bigger douche than Alain.

Silver Crusade

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zergtitan wrote:
*Vigilante has a magical girl archetype with a transformation sequence,

Sold.

Liberty's Edge

See, the gadget one sold me.

I really like Batman, and while Investigator works, well, this might be better. We'll have to wait and see. Maybe gestalt or something...
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Okay, all that's a lie. I was sold months ago.

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The magical girl archetype is going to be amazing. I'm already considering one for PFS... I just have to decide on a race. ^_^

Also, super stoked for the tyrant.

Liberty's Edge

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Evan Tarlton wrote:
zergtitan wrote:

Mark's Teasers for easier reading,

** spoiler omitted **

And now I really hate Meligaster. Bigger douche than Alain.

Considering Meligaters alignment is supposed to be neutral evil/lawful evil, Meligaster is only somewhat less of a dick than the antipaladin iconic. This is only mildly dickish compared to what he could have done(given his hypnotic mind powers).

Silver Crusade

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You can't be a bigger douche than Alain. Especially if your horse is smaller than his.


Darn I was hoping that we would get a magical girl archetype for the kineticist since the class's abilities are so close. I mean all you got to do is add the transformation, Vigilante's alignment shielding/change, ability to create clothes, and maybe some good alignment based powers.

Dark Archive

A lot of people seem to like sailor moon (which is cool, i watched that show on tv a few years ago).

But Sailor Moon clones in Pathfinder, really?

The lawful antipaladin is cool, though.

Dark Archive

http://static1.paizo.com/image/product/catalog/WZK/WZK71576-8-13_500.jpeg

Looks almost like the iconic vigilante but certainly usable as another costumed hero or villain.


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The gadget one sounds awesome. If it replaces the stuff that relies on Charisma like "Frightening Appearance" from the playtest, I'll be very happy. My Dwarf won't be able to invest in a lot of Charisma.

Silver Crusade

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Marco Massoudi wrote:


But Sailor Moon clones in Pathfinder, really?

A solid theme park RPG is one that allows you to run a gritty dark fantasy horror low magic game and a bishoujo magical girl tea party comedy using the same ruleset.

Granted, nothing beats GURPS in this department, but Pathfinder is getting wonderfully close.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

A lot of people seem to like sailor moon (which is cool, i watched that show on tv a few years ago).

But Sailor Moon clones in Pathfinder, really?

You say that like it wasn't already happening...


Marco Massoudi wrote:
But Sailor Moon clones in Pathfinder, really?

Kineticist and Chosen One Paladin spring to mind. It's already something people do.

That said, Warlock as an archetype and a magical girl archetype sound great. I'm sure a lot of people will be thrilled to finally have a gadget class. Gun-based vigilante will hopefully be a nice alternative to Mysterious Stranger.

Tyrant sounds great. Between that, regular Antipaladin, and Insinuator, it'll be really easy to find a good fit for any evil-friendly campaign.

As far as spells go, I'm looking forward to seeing all of the ones included. Mark mentioned in his question thread that there would be some that felt like they really should have been in the CRB. Fingers crossed for a low level spell to absorb your gear.


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*Sees Magical Girl Archetype*

My father is going to groan so hard when I tell him about this. One of my first forays into into DMing including attempting to include Sailor Moon* and Sailor Moon had and still has it's influences on my gaming.

* In my defense I was 13 at the time and Dad had opened the gates during the times he had Batman have a guest spot in one game followed by a Superman cameo and in another game he ran Sherlock Holmes was a guest star. So I felt justified in the inclusion of the Sailor Scouts... Don't judge me.


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I'm assuming the Gadget archetype for the Vigilante reflavours the Occultist's Mental Focus as electrical charges for gadgets. Though I'm curious if this means the Focus Powers they get will be nonmagical.

Liberty's Edge

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A lot of people make reference to Sailor moon with regards to the magical girl archetype. I wonder if paizo is doing a mix between several magical girl series, including some of the more gritty and disturbing ones. I'm looking at you Pullea Magi Madoka Magika, and several other ones of that type.


ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester wrote:
A lot of people make reference to Sailor moon with regards to the magical girl archetype. I wonder if paizo is doing a mix between several magical girl series, including some of the more gritty and disturbing ones. I'm looking at you Pullea Magi Madoka Magika, and several other ones of that type.

Can I play a dancing vigilante who's real name is a water fowl?


I do not get all the "magic girl" archetype love...father of 5 sons, perhaps the dearth of daughters may have something to do with it? No Sailor Moon or much anime/manga in our experience.
I love what I hear about the Vigilante, though--choose between Stalker or Avenger? Nice. Cross-over talents?! Gadget/occultist flavor archetype?! Yippee!


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Well, we'll just have to see what the archetype is like...if the transformation element is the most prominent, it's possible that it could be used to represent other sorts of concepts, like kamen rider/super sentai, or even characters such as Etrigan or Captain Marvel, depending on the extent of the transformation. I certainly hope that, despite the name, the archetype isn't limited to females. Either way, it certainly sounds interesting, even if I'm not expecting Magical Girls of Golarion out any time soon.

Paizo Employee Designer

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Luthorne wrote:
Well, we'll just have to see what the archetype is like...if the transformation element is the most prominent, it's possible that it could be used to represent other sorts of concepts, like kamen rider/super sentai, or even characters such as Etrigan or Captain Marvel, depending on the extent of the transformation. I certainly hope that, despite the name, the archetype isn't limited to females. Either way, it certainly sounds interesting, even if I'm not expecting Magical Girls of Golarion out any time soon.

The archetype isn't actually named magical girl, and it's not limited to females. For the rest, you'll have to find out next month!

Also, feel free to comment on my fan page where I initially posted the info (and have some follow-ups). I don't like to post tons and tons of replies in a product thread too much, since it's a thread for everyone to talk about Intrigue, but on a personal page, I'm more likely to reply (like on my AMA thread in off-topic).


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David knott 242 wrote:

Thanks to Mark Seifter for the spoilers he mentioned at Owlcon and posted here.

That 'Matchmaker' spell Mister Seifter mentioned sounds like an incredible source for both trouble and amusement in a game.

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Fourshadow wrote:


I love what I hear about the Vigilante, though--choose between Stalker or Avenger? Nice. Cross-over talents?! Gadget/occultist flavor archetype?! Yippee!

It looks like you might be able combine archetypes with specialisations to create some interesting mixes of character skills, from stealthy gunslingers and gageteirs, to militant magical girls, warrior like warlocks, and zealots that can wield zweihanders.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

A lot of people seem to like sailor moon (which is cool, i watched that show on tv a few years ago).

But Sailor Moon clones in Pathfinder, really?

The lawful antipaladin is cool, though.

Now all we are lacking is a chaotic good paladin....


Remember that any archetypes might replace or modify the class feature that has you choose stalker or avenger.

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Eric Hinkle wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:

Thanks to Mark Seifter for the spoilers he mentioned at Owlcon and posted here.

That 'Matchmaker' spell Mister Seifter mentioned sounds like an incredible source for both trouble and amusement in a game.

I am sure Cupid(or his golorian equivilent) has that prepared quite alot (or has the effect attached to his arrows).

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ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester wrote:
Eric Hinkle wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:

Thanks to Mark Seifter for the spoilers he mentioned at Owlcon and posted here.

That 'Matchmaker' spell Mister Seifter mentioned sounds like an incredible source for both trouble and amusement in a game.
I am sure Cupid(or his golorian equivilent) has that prepared quite alot (or has the effect attached to his arrows).

Evil mind controlling little bastard...

Though Hell's Vengeance does give us the Kuribu, an angel in the form of a little cherub statue.


But Cupid is supposed to be a monster, not a character class.

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Marco Massoudi wrote:
But Sailor Moon clones in Pathfinder, really?

Or, y'know, Power Rangers.

Hrmm, I wonder if the 'transformation sequence' could be skinned as a lycanthropy-esque change. Or a Jekyll/Hyde. Or Captain Marvel/Billy Batson.

That is, it seems a decent candidate for vigilantes that are more than masks.

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Hi, option for making Glorian's version of the Mask. I never even realised that you cared paizo.

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There's some Intrigue stuff (including some art shown to the camera) from the Secrets of Pathfinder panel on our new Twitch channel!


Mark Seifter wrote:
There's some Intrigue stuff (including some art shown to the camera) from the Secrets of Pathfinder panel on our new Twitch channel!

For those of us not in-the-know;What is Twitch and how would I get there?

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Fourshadow wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
There's some Intrigue stuff (including some art shown to the camera) from the Secrets of Pathfinder panel on our new Twitch channel!
For those of us not in-the-know;What is Twitch and how would I get there?

Twitch.tv is a video streaming site, commonly used to watch others play games such as League of Legends. That's about all I know myself.

EDIT: And after a little-bitty search, I'm guessing that this would be their page. ^_^


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Those interested in the Magical Girl archetype will be pleased to know that Mark showed some artwork of a magical girl in Ultimate Intrigue on stream.

He also mentioned that the Gadgeteer archetype uses Psychometry to create gadgets.

He also noted on Facebook that an eagle eyed fan spotted the Mounted Fury archetype for the Vigilante. If you were planning on playing Zorro, it may be the way to go.


I know some players who will be very happy to hear that there is a lawful evil antipaladin archetype now. LE stuff doesn't necessarily automatically go on my banned list, lol.

Looking forward to seeing the final Vigilante. I'm mostly looking forward to the spellcasting archetypes, so I'm hoping that they don't give up almost *everything* for their spellcasting like that new fighter archetype does.


Is the Gadgeteer an occultist archetype?


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The Gadgeteer (name might not be Gadgeteer since Occult is also a theme for it) is a Vigilante archetype that gains the ability to use Focus Powers like an Occultist through the use of the gadgets/focus objects they create.


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If blurry pages are to be believed, the name is probably along the lines of psychometist or some spelling thereof for the vigilante archetype.

At this point we have 6 confirmed vigilante archetypes:
Warlock
Zealot
Magical Child
"Gunslinger"
Mounted fury
Psychometist

There's already a really good variety of options and I doubt this is the end of the list of available archetypes for vigilante, so I'm nothing but excited to see more.


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I also wouldn't doubt there's archetypes for the other classes that get to play with some of the vigilante's toys like the duel idenity.


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An "Amateur Vigilante" feat was discussed so I think that would be more likely to appear if they decide to hand out the Vigilante's toys to other classes.

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Jack of Dust wrote:
An "Amateur Vigilante" feat was discussed...

Is it called, 'Sidekick'? :]


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"Sidekick" would be a great name for a "amateur vigilante" feat.

I wonder if there will be a "sidekick" archetype.


I wouldn't be surprised if there was a feat that just gave you a cohort. Like a mini-leadership, revised leadership or something.


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I'm hoping for a Bruce Banner/The Hulk type vigilante. Like a Master Chymist who gets their split personality from level 1.


A hulk based vigilante would be interesting.

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Stack the 'magical girl' and 'warlock' archetypes and make Etrigan/Jason Blood.


Maybe, just maybe, this will have a feat that grants extra skill points.


Dragon78 wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, this will have a feat that grants extra skill points.

What's wrong with the Feats from the core rulebook that do this? Adding anything different than Skill Focus and others would over/underpower either the existing feats or the new one(s).


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Coffee Demon wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, this will have a feat that grants extra skill points.
What's wrong with the Feats from the core rulebook that do this? Adding anything different than Skill Focus and others would over/underpower either the existing feats or the new one(s).

Skill Focus doesn't grant extra skill points, though? Just a bonus to a skill. I think the desire is for something like Toughness that grants skill points instead of hit points.

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