Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Intrigue (PFRPG)

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In the right setting, a single scathing word can prove deadlier than a poisoned dagger. Behind the scenes of heroic battles and magical realms lies a seething underbelly of danger and deception. This world of intrigue holds endless possibilities for adventure, as heroes duel with words instead of steel, plot daring heists, and engage in battles of wills against relentless nemeses. A high-stakes game of shadows and secrets is yours to master—if you have the wits!

Whether the heroes are taming the blood-soaked back alleys of their favorite metropolis or jockeying for the queen's favor alongside highborn nobles, Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Intrigue is an invaluable companion to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 10 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into a new era.

Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Intrigue includes:

  • The vigilante, a new character class that lives two lives—that of an unassuming member of the community, and a cloaked crusader with his own agenda!
  • New archetypes for alchemists, bards, druids, hunters, inquisitors, investigators, mesmerists, rangers, rogues, slayers, spiritualists, and more!
  • New feats and magic items for characters of all sorts, granting mastery of street-smart combat, impenetrable disguises, and misdirection.
  • Dozens of spells to manipulate tense social settings, whether to reveal adversaries' secrets or hide the truth.
  • A complete system of influence, providing new goals and rewards to challenge players and link their fortunes to nonplayer characters and organizations.
  • Systems and advice to help Game Masters introduce a variety of new encounters into their games­—daring heists, extended pursuits, and tense searches for buried secrets.
  • Rules for social combat and verbal duels, allowing characters to use words as weapons to sway hearts and humiliate foes.
  • ... and much, much more!

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A Must-Have for Heavy RP Games

5/5

Okay, let's get into Ultimate Intrigue! As the title implies, the purpose of this book is to help flesh out more subtle elements of the game: things like spreading rumors, rallying a crowd, stealing secrets, and other classic cloak-and-dagger stuff. I've used bits and pieces of it in previous campaigns, but read through it carefully (and incorporated a fair bit of it) for my current Curse of the Crimson Throne campaign, as that adventure path is designed around urban political strife. Boiled down to brass tacks, the book is a 256 page hardcover comprised of six chapters. The full-colour artwork is very strong throughout, and the cover is great (though Merisiel's legs are like three times longer than her torso!). There's a very short two-page introduction that summarises each chapter--which is what I'm going to do anyway.

Chapter 1 is "Classes" (60 pages). The big deal here is a new base case, the Vigilante. The concept is that the character has both a normal (social) identity and a masked identity, with certain class options only working while in the associated guise. There are also several safeguards to help keep anyone from figuring out that Bruce Wayne is really Batman. I have a Vigilante character in Pathfinder Society, and one of my players runs one in Curse of the Crimson Throne. I think the class is perfect for an urban campaign mostly set in a single city (especially with lots room for intrigue), but it doesn't work as well with the more traditional "travelling adventuring party" campaign. It's a bit too obvious when five newcomers arrive in town, only for one of them to "disappear" and a new costumed avenger show up. I know there are also some gamers who dislike what can seem like the awkward introduction of comic book super heroes into their fantasy role-playing. For me, I think the concept works well--though as I said, only in particular types of campaigns.

A large chunk of the chapter is devoted to new archetypes for other classes. More specifically, alchemists, bards, cavaliers, druids, inquisitors, investigators, mesmerists, rangers, rogues, skalds, spiritualists, swashbucklers, and vigilantes get some love. Frankly, a lot of the archetypes are fairly forgettable, but there are exceptions--for example, a Daring General Cavalier would be great in military campaigns, the Dandy Ranger could be really useful in an urban campaign, and a couple of the vigilante archetypes are perfect if you want to play the Hulk or Spider-Man. Although the rogue archetypes aren't very good, there are several excellent rogue talents that focus on making the character harder to track through divination, etc. It's worth nothing that this book came out during the period when the hardcover line was still setting-neutral, so there won't be any Golarion-specific flavour with the archetypes (for better or worse depending on your preferences).

Chapter 2 is "Feats" (24 pages). There's something like 110 new feats in the chapter, and probably something for everyone. Given the book's theme, many of the feats are related to sneaking around, hiding and disguising spells, stealing stuff, making plans, figuring out when you're being to lied to, etc. A few that I particularly like include Brilliant Planner (giving you the chance to have just what you need just when you need it), Call Truce (giving a slim chance to actually end combat peacefully when its underway), and Drunkard's Recovery (silly but fun). A couple of important feats are Conceal Spell (which hides the pesky manifestations that spells create in Pathfinder) and Fencing Grace (adding Dex to damage with rapiers, a favourite of swashbucklers everywhere). Overall, I thought the options presented were well-written and plausible in terms of desirability.

Chapter 3 is "Mastering Intrigue" (68 pages). This is probably the most important chapter in the book for GMs. It offers tons of useful advice, as well as clarification on some tricky game mechanics, to help run intrigue-based games. The pages about how common magic spells can be handled while still preserving mysteries, secrets, and misdirection is pure gold. The chapter also introduces seven new rules sub-systems, any or all of which can be incorporated into a campaign to flesh out certain aspects of gameplay. "Influence" is a sub-system that deepens the process of persuading a person or organisation to support you. Instead of a simple single Dipomacy check, PCs need to make certain skill checks to learn a person's interests and weaknesses, and then other skill checks to take advantage of what they've learned. The process operates through multiple phases of tracked successes and failures, and can be tied to mechanical favours and benefits. It's become a very popular facet of many Pathfinder Society scenarios, and I think it's a pretty clever way to handle things--though it can be a bit clunky at first. "Heists" is a sub-system that contains some excellent advice to GMs on how to structure things so players don't obsess over unimportant trivia and are willing to violate that old canard of "don't split the party." "Infiltration" contains some quick advice, but that's about it. "Leadership" deepens the feat of the same name, adding lots of rules for interacting with other sub-systems both in this book and in Ultimate Campaign. I'm personally still not persuaded that the Leadership feat chain is a good inclusion to the game. "Nemeses" is all about adding a recurring villain; I think it's trying to systematise something that could be handled just fine without it. Though there are some fun suggestions on evil plots to foil. "Pursuit" is a little like the Chase sub-system from the GameMastery Guide but stretched out over hours and days cross-country instead of in minutes through alleyways. I could imagine using it. "Research" is probably my favourite of the sub-systems, and one I've used in multiple campaigns. In essence, it gives the PCs a reason to use things like libraries and archives by giving them bonuses to their Knowledge checks, but then makes gaining different thresholds of information the result of multiple successful checks. Overall, a great chapter--I wish the Influence and Research sub-systems had been in the Core Rulebook, because they really add a lot to the non-combat aspects of the game.

Chapter 4 is "Social Combat" (25 pages). The idea here is to present GMs with options on how to handle social conflicts--things like debates, trials, cutting repartee, etc. There's also a "verbal duels" sub-system. I'm just not sure about it--it's something I'd have to see in practice. However, a really useful part of the chapter is advice to the GM on how to handle the various social skills in the game--Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate, and Sense Motive--as well as the intrigue skills like Disguise, Perception, and Stealth. The advice here is excellent, and I just stopped in the middle of this review to reread it.

Chapter 5 is "Spells" (40 pages). You can judge from the length of the chapter that there's a ton of new spells, and every spellcasting class will find something. One of the fun things the chapter introduces is a new "ruse" descriptor for spells, which means the spell is easily mistaken for another even by observers trained in Spellcraft or Knowledge (arcana). It's a good way to mislead folks who have played way too much Pathfinder. There are some really clever spells in this section, with a couple of my favourites including false resurrection (instead of bringing back a soul, you stuff a demon into the body!) and the hilarious shamefully overdressed.

Chapter 6 is "Gear and Magic Items" (22 pages). There are some new mundane pieces of equipment (weapons like the cool wrist dart launcher, alchemical items, etc.) but most of the chapter is new magic items with an intrigue theme. The one that really stuck out at me was the launcher of distraction, which is perfect for assassination attempts because it makes it seem like the attack is coming from somewhere else.

Overall, I think Ultimate Intrigue is an excellent book. It's pretty much a must-have in my opinion for any campaign that's going to involve a lot of role-playing or that moves beyond traditional dungeon crawling and wilderness encounters. Even readers not involved in "intrigue campaigns" per se are sure to find plenty of material they can use.


1/5

Don't get me wrong I love Paizo books, I love their work, and I'm proud to own almost all of their publications.

However, Ultimate Intrigue is the one book I regret buying. It's even more than that, it's the one book i regret they ever published.

We need rules and systems, ok. We need a magic system because magic isn't a real thing. We need a combat system otherwise playing with your grilfriend become home abuse. But we don't need a social system because it's a ROLEPLAYING game. Either you want intrigue heavy campaign and you roleplay them, or you want to dungeon crawl or investigate (that's fine too) and you don't play intrigues. You can even do both and it's great.

Aside from that massive problem, the book suffers from "a turn normal actions into feats/class ability" syndrome. I can't count the number of time where players made me fighters to wizards or rogues with a dual identity. We didn't need the Vigilante, and still don't. And I loved when wizard use to get clever and ask for linguistics/bluff roll to blend a spell into a phrase. Now you need a feat for it. Thanks, Ultimate Intrigue. If that was not enough, some of these nonsense feat are built in feat tax chains.

But the one thing I hate the most about this book is the stupid FAQ it bestowed upon us to promote itself (https://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9tza). That makes a whole school of magic (illusion) utterly useless, and destroys a lot of others (enchantment).

Now I know I can just refuse to use it. But i use to love pathfinder for the clarity and perfect sense with out need to houserule much.

Now it's gone.


I'm tired of paizo trying to stuff this book down our face

1/5

If I was playing a home campaign this book might be more fitting,

For society play this verbal debate and other ideas for this book really bog down the game play. I like social aspect of games and role playing but as I said society play it slows the game way down to try and get people up to snuff on the mechanics


An amazing new class in a hit and miss supplement

4/5

So, Ultimate Intrigue took a long time for me to come to a complete opinion on.

The Vigilante class introduced in this book is, in my opinion, easily the best non-spellcasting class Paizo has ever created. It breaks up its social options and combat options in such a way that you have a great character able to participate in all areas of the game without having to choose whether you want to be competent in combat or in the myriad other facets of the game like exploration, social encounters, etc. It has deep and well-designed talents that allow you to pick any of a variety of different ways to participate in combat, with or without weapons, and numerous tools for allowing players to influence the story with safe houses, contacts, and more.

At PAX Prime 2016 I had the opportunity to visit Paizo's Pathfinder demo area and play their pregenerated vigilante character. I honestly didn't expect it to go terribly well; after all, the vigilante is a class built around balancing two identities and moving between different social strata, so you'd think that this would require a more controlled environment where you know the other players in advance and have time to plan out how your character fits into the game world with your GM ahead of time, right? Turns out, I was wrong. The vigilante class is well-crafted enough that even while playing a 1st level pregen I was able to easily deal with situations in and out of combat, and it took me about 60 seconds of conversation to establish with the group that I had a secret identity they were privy to and might need them to cover for my character from time to time if he needed to swap identities. It didn't hurt matters that the only downside to anyone learning a vigilante's secret identity is that, well, they know his or her secret identity. You can go all Tony Stark if you want, announce that you are Iron Man, and carry on as normal. Very few of the vigilante's abilities actually require you to maintain truly secret identities, and the only real hit you take is that you're a bit easier to find by magical means (though even this can be addressed with clever use of the Safe House Social Talent).

The book also elaborates on the intent behind numerous spells that often prove problematic for GMs in games where they want to have a focus on gritty investigation of mystery, such as the various detect spells, speak with dead, etc.

I think my biggest disappointments with the book, and the reason I can't give it 5 stars, lie in the feats and archetypes. I'll start with the feats, and a bit about why I see most of them as representative of missed opportunities.

To start with, Pathfinder's skill system is heavily dated. When Paizo brought it over from 3.5, they combined a few extraneous skills, but otherwise did little to update things, meaning the core area of the rules covering everything in the game that isn't casting spells or hitting things is now well over a decade old and out of date. Several skills don't even actually work, or work well, as written, have interactions you're just supposed to kind of assume or make up (Ride and Handle Animal are a mess, Stealth requires one to check out FAQs and blog posts online to use as intended, Bluff and Diplomacy have more than a few vague areas and inconsistencies, etc.), so what better book to address, update, and expand these core components of the game than a book about playing skill and intrigue heavy campaigns? Unfortunately, Paizo chose not to go that route, instead relying on feats to stretch skills over their gaps and issues, leading to many of the feats in the this book providing skill uses that I've seen GMs at hundreds of tables houserule as basic functions of those skills to begin with. Instead of formalizing intuitive uses of existing skills into their basic function, they added a feat tax to allow characters to do things many people already thought they could do. While there is a section in the book going over several of the vague areas in a few key skills, these are primarily common sense clarifications instead of the full address the skills could have used.

The archetypes, like many Paizo hardcovers, are all over the place. Some of them are interesting and dynamic, like the Masked Performer bard archetype, some show an attempt at embodying a cool and modern concept but fail to achieve that concept in the actual execution, like the Magical Child vigilante archetype, and some are just plain bad, so obviously terribly designed that you almost wonder if the person who wrote them has ever actually played Pathfinder, like the Brute vigilante archetype.

Now, don't let the above wall of negativity mislead you; there is a lot of great stuff in this book, including perhaps the most inspired and well-crafted class Paizo has ever produced, a class that introduces really interesting design concepts, plays with components of the class chassis we haven't seen classes treat as quite so malleable before, and is a genuinely fun and interesting class to play in and of itself. Despite many of the feats ranging from useless to frustrating, there are still quite a few that are interesting and viable, and while the archetypes are very hit or miss, that's generally true of Paizo books in general and probably shouldn't be held against this one in particular.

My final verdict on Ultimate Intrigue is 4 stars, and a strong recommendation to pick it up, if for no other reason than to add the Vigilante class to your game (though there definitely are other reasons to add this book to your collection).


Pathfinder presents Batman!

4/5

No seriously. The vigilante class is freaking batman. Look at the art for chapter one and for the character. HE'S BATMAN. Of course they also have archetypes if you want to make Hulk, Sailor Moon, even He-Man. With the archetypes from other books the list goes on.
My favorite part, and I cannot wait to test this properly in a game, is the social combat. It works a lot like playing craps or roulette. You get a pool of Determination points which you use to place a bet then you roll off with your social skills check! Seriously it sounds like lots of fun!


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By the way, I messaged her privately to say this and now I'm going to say it publicly: last week Mark revealed that Amanda was the one who wrote the vigilante archetypes for the book, and I have to say that she hit everything out of the PARK. Like, freelancers better watch out. She might get dibs on every archetype ever until the end of time because of her work in Ultimate Intrigue. And I think I might be strangely OK with that....


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Barachiel Shina wrote:
Skeld, PDF Prophet wrote:
Slithery D wrote:
Kvantum wrote:


spells of intrigue 154–163
example 163
high-level abjuration 162
high-level divinations 162
low-level divinations 154–157
low-level enchantments 157–158
low-level illusions 158
low-level necromancy 158
mid-level conjuration 158-159
mid-level divinations 159–161
mid-level enchantments 161-162
I'd like to know more about this. Especially "high-level abjurations" and "high-level divinations," which should finally tell us whether Mind Blank prevents True Seeing from penetrating an illusion on you.

This is an advice section. Mind blank is mentioned.

-Skeld

So what's the word on spells that could break an Intrigue setting instantly, such as the interactions of Nondetection, True Seeing, Mind Blank, etc.?

Unless I'm missing something in a big way, only mind blank is called out in that section. Something of a shame, since true seeing's interaction with it is something of a standing question. Given the general tone of how the various divination spells are dealt with, though, I feel confident stating that the intent is for mind blank to trump true seeing - the subject would just appear the way they would if the true seeing weren't active.


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Oh man all this feat talk... It's not Fencing Grace being reprinted, is it? So that an NPC can use it without needing to reference ACO?

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Alexander Augunas wrote:
You're a Venture-Captain who's supposed to print out all of the pregens; I'm sure you'll figure it out pretty quickly. ;-)

I should bring the laminated ring-bound bundle my wife made for me to PaizoCon to show off.

Personally, I haven't looked at a pregen in months.


Alexander Augunas wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
Are warlocks able to learn spells off spell lists other than magus?
Yes, because they don't use the magus spell list.
I guess we can blame Mark for getting it wrong.
Quote:
Warlocks, are arcane casters from the magus list


Mark Seifter wrote:
Yep, sorry; meant to say they had magus 6th-level prepared casting off the wizard list.

Yay, my character concept is revived.

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Slithery D wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
Are warlocks able to learn spells off spell lists other than magus?
Yes, because they don't use the magus spell list.
I guess we can blame Mark for getting it wrong.
Quote:
Warlocks, are arcane casters from the magus list

Yep.


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Reads the influence rules. Looks at his work-in-progress rules subsystem for something complicated. Oh, good. Time to re-write this whole subsystem to account for this.


Are there any feats that grant +2(+4 with 10 ranks) to two skills like alertness?

Are there any feats specific for sorcerers or kineticist?

What do the kineticist utilities do?

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*bursts through the window*

Curse of the Crimson Throne Hardcover Edition confirmed!

*snatches Mark and AlexAug, throws a ninja smoke bomb, swings on the chandelier, exits stage left*

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Alexander Augunas wrote:
By the way, I messaged her privately to say this and now I'm going to say it publicly: last week Mark revealed that Amanda was the one who wrote the vigilante archetypes for the book, and I have to say that she hit everything out of the PARK. Like, freelancers better watch out. She might get dibs on every archetype ever until the end of time because of her work in Ultimate Intrigue. And I think I might be strangely OK with that....

Archetypes are really hard to do right. Amanda's vigilante archetypes always had a strong and evocative theme, so that made them really easy to develop (which was a joy given how many pages of vigilante archetypes there were). Add to that cabalist and warlock from Logan and zealot from Stephen, and we just flat-out had an all-star list of authors for that section.

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*burst through the window*

Curse of the Crimson Throne Hardcover Edition confirmed!

*snatches Mark and AlAux, throws a ninja smoke bomb, swings on the chandelier, exits stage left*

Featuring Blackjack the Vigilante!


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... while Kyra and Ezren want to influence those same NPCs to gain support for Kyra to marry the princess.

Poor Merisiel.

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Gorbacz wrote:

*burst through the window*

Curse of the Crimson Throne Hardcover Edition confirmed!

*snatches Mark and AlAux, throws a ninja smoke bomb, swings on the chandelier, exits stage left*

Since that's going to be the next campaign I run, you better not be messing with me, toothbag.

-Skeld

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Confirmation.

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Chemlak wrote:
Quote:
... while Kyra and Ezren want to influence those same NPCs to gain support for Kyra to marry the princess.
Poor Merisiel.

<Page 219>

Poor Kyra ;)

Grand Lodge

Mark Seifter wrote:

<Page 219>

Poor Kyra ;)

Poor Imrijka.


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Mark Seifter wrote:
Chemlak wrote:
Quote:
... while Kyra and Ezren want to influence those same NPCs to gain support for Kyra to marry the princess.
Poor Merisiel.

<Page 219>

Poor Kyra ;)

OUCH!

But at least we can blame eeeeevil magic for that.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:

<Page 219>

Poor Kyra ;)

Poor Imrijka.

Page 183?

Sovereign Court

Mark Seifter wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I don't think I'm allowed to share tidbits yet. :(

I know the feels. I was telling Amanda about how hard it was to sit on this last week. :(

I will say two things, however: 1) I have been quoted several times by various Paizo employees as having said that in my humble opinion, the new vigilante is my favorite martial class in the game. 2) There's a feat that made me chuckle because its essentially Mark's way of fixing an issue with one specific stat block. ;-)

Why assume it was me? I wasn't the development lead on feats or on those statblocks.

I know what feat you mean, and it was indeed me.

Now I don't have the book, but I think I know who you mean. He and his starknife thank you if that is the case!

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Page 183?

Page 219 crossed with DeviantArt. ;)


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Okay, I think I just fell in love with the Influence system. And now I have to write up social statblocks for all of the major NPCs in my campaign... And I can just reference the Organizational Influence section for le rules subsystem... oh, happy day!

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Lukas Stariha wrote:
Now I don't have the book, but I think I know who you mean. He and his starknife thank you if that is the case!

Confirmed.

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Chemlak wrote:
Okay, I think I just fell in love with the Influence system. And now I have to write up social statblocks for all of the major NPCs in my campaign... And I can just reference the Organizational Influence section for le rules subsystem... oh, happy day!

Linda did an amazing job on the influence subsystems. Stephen and I hardly needed to touch it (though the editors found some great ways to make the layout easier to use, yay editors!)

Sovereign Court

TOZ wrote:
Lukas Stariha wrote:
Now I don't have the book, but I think I know who you mean. He and his starknife thank you if that is the case!
Confirmed.

Spoiler:

Is said feat Fencing Grace?


Can someone give details on the Zealot? Are there still the Celestial/Fey/Infernal/Abyssal sub specializations? What do they give up for spell casting?


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Mark Seifter wrote:
Chemlak wrote:
Okay, I think I just fell in love with the Influence system. And now I have to write up social statblocks for all of the major NPCs in my campaign... And I can just reference the Organizational Influence section for le rules subsystem... oh, happy day!
Linda did an amazing job on the influence subsystems. Stephen and I hardly needed to touch it (though the editors found some great ways to make the layout easier to use, yay editors!)

Please pass along my thanks to Linda for both the individual and organization influence subsystems, then, because they're excellent, and I can't wait to get completely to grips with them.

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Chemlak wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Chemlak wrote:
Okay, I think I just fell in love with the Influence system. And now I have to write up social statblocks for all of the major NPCs in my campaign... And I can just reference the Organizational Influence section for le rules subsystem... oh, happy day!
Linda did an amazing job on the influence subsystems. Stephen and I hardly needed to touch it (though the editors found some great ways to make the layout easier to use, yay editors!)
Please pass along my thanks to Linda for both the individual and organization influence subsystems, then, because they're excellent, and I can't wait to get completely to grips with them.

I linked your post and chatted her. So now that you have Linda's influence system and my relationship system (from UR, which you grabbed if I recall), you're getting pretty close to having all of Linda and my shared gaming group's toys for social/political/interaction RP.

Grand Lodge

Crud, have I purchased UR yet? o.o

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:

<Page 219>

Poor Kyra ;)

Poor Imrijka.

All the iconics in this book or only some of them?

Dark Archive

So heard there are new ninja tricks in this? :'D What are they if they exist?


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Mark Seifter wrote:
Chemlak wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Chemlak wrote:
Okay, I think I just fell in love with the Influence system. And now I have to write up social statblocks for all of the major NPCs in my campaign... And I can just reference the Organizational Influence section for le rules subsystem... oh, happy day!
Linda did an amazing job on the influence subsystems. Stephen and I hardly needed to touch it (though the editors found some great ways to make the layout easier to use, yay editors!)
Please pass along my thanks to Linda for both the individual and organization influence subsystems, then, because they're excellent, and I can't wait to get completely to grips with them.
I linked your post and chatted her. So now that you have Linda's influence system and my relationship system (from UR, which you grabbed if I recall), you're getting pretty close to having all of Linda and my shared gaming group's toys for social/political/interaction RP.

Thy memory is most puissant, Mister Seifter, I do indeed.

Only question I've got now is whether Alex is going to have to rework a few bits of Ultimate Charisma to account for the new stuff on Leadership.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Crud, have I purchased UR yet? o.o

Ultimate Relationships from Legendary Games. Worth getting Imperial Relationships, too, so that you can see how it works with real examples. Completely revised how I build friendly NPCs.

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Gorbacz wrote:

*bursts through the window*

Curse of the Crimson Throne Hardcover Edition confirmed!

*snatches Mark and AlexAug, throws a ninja smoke bomb, swings on the chandelier, exits stage left*

I actually just finished writing up a News Post on the announcement on the Know Direction site, which can be read right here. ;-)

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Crud, have I purchased UR yet? o.o

Ultimate Relationships is a 3rd party product for relationship advancement (with some add-ons with example NPCs from a "Far Eastern AP"), so you probably don't have it. Fork me over to 3pp and I'll talk your ear off, but I'd rather keep discussion of it out of this thread.

EDIT: Chemlak ninjaed me and is correct. There's also some single example NPCs afterwards too a lyrakien cleric, cassissian detective, and viking shieldmaiden.

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Chemlak wrote:
Only question I've got now is whether Alex is going to have to rework a few bits of Ultimate Charisma to account for the new stuff on Leadership.

Probably not. My approach is quite different from what's in the book, if I recall correctly. (I haven't given as much attention to the subsystems; I like to read longer bits like that in dead tree version because its easier for me to read them without hurting my eyes.)

If there are neat ways that I can tie Ultimate Intrigue into Ultimate Charisma, I will. But doing a update of a compilation seems like a waste of my energies. There comes a point where its better to make something new rather than constantly refine the old, and all that jazz.

EDIT: To reiterate, I'm not going to rework anything. If I do anything, I'll be making something entirely new that says something like, "If you want to use these both together, here's how to do it."

Paizo Employee Developer

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Chemlak wrote:
Please pass along my thanks to Linda for both the individual and organization influence subsystems, then, because they're excellent, and I can't wait to get completely to grips with them.

Aww, thanks! Glad you like them :)

I built the individual influence system off of the influence mechanics from several Pathfinder Society scenarios, so if you like that system, I recommend checking out
these scenarios:

#4–09: The Blakros Matrimony
#5–03: The Hellknight's Feast
#5–21: The Merchant's Wake

Grand Lodge

Chemlak wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Crud, have I purchased UR yet? o.o
Ultimate Relationships from Legendary Games. Worth getting Imperial Relationships, too, so that you can see how it works with real examples. Completely revised how I build friendly NPCs.

Confirmed I have purchased UR, but not the follow-ons yet. Not sure if I'm running Jade Regent any time soon, or any games using the rules. But then again, there IS that Shackled City game I'm planning...

Contributor

Linda Zayas-Palmer wrote:
Chemlak wrote:
Please pass along my thanks to Linda for both the individual and organization influence subsystems, then, because they're excellent, and I can't wait to get completely to grips with them.

Aww, thanks! Glad you like them :)

I built the individual influence system off of the influence mechanics from several Pathfinder Society scenarios, so if you like that system, I recommend checking out
** spoiler omitted **

I was kind of surprised that the research system from Blakros Connection / Mummy's Mask didn't make it in. I REALLY like that system.

Designer

Alexander Augunas wrote:
Linda Zayas-Palmer wrote:
Chemlak wrote:
Please pass along my thanks to Linda for both the individual and organization influence subsystems, then, because they're excellent, and I can't wait to get completely to grips with them.

Aww, thanks! Glad you like them :)

I built the individual influence system off of the influence mechanics from several Pathfinder Society scenarios, so if you like that system, I recommend checking out
** spoiler omitted **
I was kind of surprised that the research system from Blakros Connection / Mummy's Mask didn't make it in. I REALLY like that system.

Belay your surprise and turn to page 148. Rob managed to make the already-good research rules 300% cooler than before for Intrigue, and since I try to keep the PFS team apprised of book content at the weekly PFS meetings, I was actually able to get John an early copy of the new changes to use for Blakros Connection. So in fact, Blakros Connection has the research system from Intrigue...in a time warp!


Anything new for witches beside spells? Hexes? Archetypes?
Any info on that would be appreciated :D

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Mark Seifter wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:
Linda Zayas-Palmer wrote:
Chemlak wrote:
Please pass along my thanks to Linda for both the individual and organization influence subsystems, then, because they're excellent, and I can't wait to get completely to grips with them.

Aww, thanks! Glad you like them :)

I built the individual influence system off of the influence mechanics from several Pathfinder Society scenarios, so if you like that system, I recommend checking out
** spoiler omitted **
I was kind of surprised that the research system from Blakros Connection / Mummy's Mask didn't make it in. I REALLY like that system.
Belay your surprise and turn to page 148. Rob managed to make the already-good research rules 300% cooler than before for Intrigue, and since I try to keep the PFS team apprised of book content at the weekly PFS meetings, I was actually able to get John an early copy of the new changes to use for Blakros Connection. So in fact, Blakros Connection has the research system from Intrigue...in a time warp!

... they're there! They're really there!

THIS IS THE SECOND-BEST DAY EVER! (The first best was when Wes told me that I could freelance for Paizo.)


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Mark Seifter wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Crud, have I purchased UR yet? o.o

Ultimate Relationships is a 3rd party product for relationship advancement (with some add-ons with example NPCs from a "Far Eastern AP"), so you probably don't have it. Fork me over to 3pp and I'll talk your ear off, but I'd rather keep discussion of it out of this thread.

EDIT: Chemlak ninjaed me and is correct. There's also some single example NPCs afterwards too (don't know if you knew about those Chemlak), a lyrakien cleric, cassissian detective, and viking shieldmaiden.

To not clog up thread more than I am already:
Very aware, but budget has been low until recently, so not snagged them yet. They're on my radar to buy, though!

Lukas Stariha wrote:
TOZ wrote:
Lukas Stariha wrote:
Now I don't have the book, but I think I know who you mean. He and his starknife thank you if that is the case!
Confirmed.
** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
Were I to guess, I think it's "Starry Grace", mentioned by Skeld in a list of combat feats.
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Hmmm, tyrant PC of Asmodeus in Hell's Vengeance.

Sovereign Court

Brew Bird wrote:
Lukas Stariha wrote:
TOZ wrote:
Lukas Stariha wrote:
Now I don't have the book, but I think I know who you mean. He and his starknife thank you if that is the case!
Confirmed.
** spoiler omitted **
** spoiler omitted **

Oh my, I completely missed that one


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Hah, that would do it!

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

Aura of the unremarkable is going to be fun.

Designer

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Ross Byers wrote:
Aura of the unremarkable is going to be fun.

Shh, what are you talking about? Nothing to see here.

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