*thought this was a discussion on whether the spells were awesome or not*
There is a place for it, over in the PF RPG General Discussion board. You try to argue the "Roll vs Role" thing here and Chris is likely to remove your posts.
But was I right about my last posting, Ashram?
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To be a bit more positive here on my end I think Planar Inquiry is really cool, wish it cost a bit less (100 gp per hd at 5th is steep for what it's offering) but having an option to call outsiders just for questions and inquiries feels like something we've needed for a long time.
Huh, I've just realized that most of the stuff I've really found memorable from this book have come out of the Old Mage Jatembe section. Did not expect that.
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Huh, I've just realized that most of the stuff I've really found memorable from this book have come out of the Old Mage Jatembe section. Did not expect that.
Huzzah! I've done my job!
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Huh, I've just realized that most of the stuff I've really found memorable from this book have come out of the Old Mage Jatembe section. Did not expect that.Huzzah! I've done my job!
Also if you wrote all the 40k/roman aquila stuff into aroden's spells then props. Totally excited to whip those out in my home game (and maybe make some orc variants!).
Also if you wrote all the 40k/roman aquila stuff into aroden's spells then props. Totally excited to whip those out in my home game (and maybe make some orc variants!).Huh, I've just realized that most of the stuff I've really found memorable from this book have come out of the Old Mage Jatembe section. Did not expect that.Huzzah! I've done my job!
I did not. Each of the three of us (Steve, David, and myself) each took one of the "big name" spellbooks and two of the smaller books. (Except David; he took one small book and the Preparation rules.) I know Steve did the Analects of Aroden and David did the Runes of Wealth. I don't recall who did which mini spellbook, however. (Aside from my own, of course.)
I simply must play a child of Acavna and Amaznen with the magus VMC.
That is all.
While it sounds cool, the lack of spell combat hurts a lot. It would make a neat build for mobility though, since you're losing the full attack anyway. Or get some Swift-action spells.
I believe I saw that you wrote Arrowsongs Lament (masterpiece), correct Alexander? I love it, by the way. Who wrote the Arrowsong Minstrel archetype? It may be my 2nd favorite Bard archetype (Sound Striker is my all time fav, too bad the two do not work together!).
Quick question: does the Arrowsong Minstrel work well with Arcane Strike, or are its swift action otherwise occupied?
I believe I saw that you wrote Arrowsongs Lament (masterpiece), correct Alexander? I love it, by the way. Who wrote the Arrowsong Minstrel archetype? It may be my 2nd favorite Bard archetype (Sound Striker is my all time fav, too bad the two do not work together!).
I wrote the entire Arrowsong Lament section, except for the two new combat feats. I believe Owen wrote those after-the-fact
Quick question: does the Arrowsong Minstrel work well with Arcane Strike, or are its swift action otherwise occupied?
Your swift actions aren't many more occupied then those of a traditional bard, AFAIRemember.
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I know Steve did the Analects of Aroden and David did the Runes of Wealth. I don't recall who did which mini spellbook, however. (Aside from my own, of course.)
That's backwards, dude. I got the intro, the Runelord stuff, the stage magic guy, and the Cold Irony section. David did the good guys.
I was a bit surprised to see no arcane discoveries for wizards, as that was something that was strongly encouraged above.
If I had to guess on something that will get the PFS ban, it is the trait that gives...
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I was a bit surprised to see no arcane discoveries for wizards, as that was something that was strongly encouraged above.
If I had to guess on something that will get the PFS ban, it is the trait that gives...
** spoiler omitted **
There is already a trait that does that and gives light as a spell like ability once a day.
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I was a bit surprised to see no arcane discoveries for wizards, as that was something that was strongly encouraged above.
If I had to guess on something that will get the PFS ban, it is the trait that gives...
** spoiler omitted **There is already a trait that does that and gives light as a spell like ability once a day.
It doesn't give you proficiency, just a masterwork version.
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I was a bit surprised to see no arcane discoveries for wizards, as that was something that was strongly encouraged above.
If I had to guess on something that will get the PFS ban, it is the trait that gives...
** spoiler omitted **
Martial Weapon Proficiency gives proficiency with ALL martial weapons. If a trait only gives proficiency with one martial weapon, its not as strong as Martial Weapon Proficiency. (See the heirloom weapon trait, which lets you pick any martial weapon and get a few copy of said weapon, which is PFS legal.)
Martial Weapon Proficiency gives proficiency with ALL martial weapons.I was a bit surprised to see no arcane discoveries for wizards, as that was something that was strongly encouraged above.
If I had to guess on something that will get the PFS ban, it is the trait that gives...
** spoiler omitted **
No, the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat gets you proficiency with one martial weapon. To get proficiency with all martial weapons, you need the class ability that grants such.
No, the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat gets you proficiency with one martial weapon. To get proficiency with all martial weapons, you need the class ability that grants such.Martial Weapon Proficiency gives proficiency with ALL martial weapons.I was a bit surprised to see no arcane discoveries for wizards, as that was something that was strongly encouraged above.
If I had to guess on something that will get the PFS ban, it is the trait that gives...
** spoiler omitted **
Furthermore, it is my understanding that Heirloom Weapon grants proficiency with the *one* weapon inherited through the family, not all weapons of that type (so your ancestral longsword, not all longswords).
Furthermore, it is my understanding that Heirloom Weapon grants proficiency with the *one* weapon inherited through the family, not all weapons of that type (so your ancestral longsword, not all longswords).
That may be correct by RAW, but it doesn't make any sense. A longsword is a longsword. I suppose form matters to some extent. Proficiency with a European style longsword would not grant you proficiency with a katana (if you consider the latter a longsword) or vice-versa, but it would give you proficiency with a jian, even if you're using it in a European rather than a Chinese style.
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Furthermore, it is my understanding that Heirloom Weapon grants proficiency with the *one* weapon inherited through the family, not all weapons of that type (so your ancestral longsword, not all longswords).That may be correct by RAW, but it doesn't make any sense. A longsword is a longsword. I suppose form matters to some extent. Proficiency with a European style longsword would not grant you proficiency with a katana (if you consider the latter a longsword) or vice-versa, but it would give you proficiency with a jian, even if you're using it in a European rather than a Chinese style.
I never said it made real-world sense.. but in terms of game mechanics, to keep a trait as less valuable than a Feat, it does.
Looking forward to this!
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Is there anything, other than the meditation time and bardic performance rounds (BPRs), preventing someone using Arrowsong's Lament multiple times in a single day?
That is, could a 1st level Bard give up a bard spell known (or Feat) to get the masterpiece and then spend 2 hours meditating and 6 BPRs to add two 1st level spells to their 'spells known' for the day? Or then later spending another hour and 3 more BPRs to add a third spell known?
Is there anything, other than the meditation time and bardic performance rounds (BPRs), preventing someone using Arrowsong's Lament multiple times in a single day?
That is, could a 1st level Bard give up a bard spell known (or Feat) to get the masterpiece and then spend 2 hours meditating and 6 BPRs to add two 1st level spells to their 'spells known' for the day? Or then later spending another hour and 3 more BPRs to add a third spell known?
Nope. I see nothing to limit or prohibit that at all. :)
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Since Int-based casters, especially those with 3/4 BAB, are my favorite classes I'm very excited about the many new Int-based options in this book. Less than a week left to wait!
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I was a bit surprised to see no arcane discoveries for wizards, as that was something that was strongly encouraged above.
If I had to guess on something that will get the PFS ban, it is the trait that gives...
** spoiler omitted **
As far as I've heard, there'll be arcane discoveries in the Magic Tactics Toolbox coming out later this year.
in terms of game mechanics, to keep a trait as less valuable than a Feat
Actually the trait is less valueable than the Martial Weapon Proficiency feat. Because the trait locks you into longsword, the feat gives you a choice. There may be situations where you want a longsword anyway, then the trait is situationally better (because of its lower cost). But there are enough situations where you want something else, so in general (average) the feat is more valueable.
It's similiar to half-elf's Skill Focus and human's bonus feat. While both provide a feat, the latter one is more valueable - in general.
While it sounds cool, the lack of spell combat hurts a lot. It would make a neat build for mobility though, since you're losing the full attack anyway. Or get some Swift-action spells.I simply must play a child of Acavna and Amaznen with the magus VMC.
That is all.
They lose spell combat? That sounds rather awful. It's kind of one of the 2 defining features of the class.
...of the fighter? Since that's what Child of Acavna and Amaznen is an archetype of...They lose spell combat? That sounds rather awful. It's kind of one of the 2 defining features of the class.While it sounds cool, the lack of spell combat hurts a lot. It would make a neat build for mobility though, since you're losing the full attack anyway. Or get some Swift-action spells.I simply must play a child of Acavna and Amaznen with the magus VMC.
That is all.
Ah ok, missed that. Thanks.
Ah ok, missed that. Thanks....of the fighter? Since that's what Child of Acavna and Amaznen is an archetype of...They lose spell combat? That sounds rather awful. It's kind of one of the 2 defining features of the class.While it sounds cool, the lack of spell combat hurts a lot. It would make a neat build for mobility though, since you're losing the full attack anyway. Or get some Swift-action spells.I simply must play a child of Acavna and Amaznen with the magus VMC.
That is all.
The lack of spell combat is due to taking Magus variant Multiclassing rather than actual Magus class levels. Just to clarify.
I know it is an Arcane focused book, but any thing that a druid or hunter can access in the book?
I know it is an Arcane focused book, but any thing that a druid or hunter can access in the book?
Yes- they get some spells, and of course things like feats and traits that are available to any class. The spells are Cyclic Reincarnation, Jatembe's Knife, Planar Inquiry, Legendary Proportions (too high level for Hunter to cast), Liquefy, and Tears to Wine.
Soo, I love this book, but I have to ask this: Is there any real point to running a fighter with the "Child of Acavna and Amazen" archetype? At first I was excited because it gives the fighter some bloodrager-like spellcasting ability. However, he gives up *all weapon training* and five feats for it! Six feats if you count the one lost for extra skills at level 1. What the?
I can see losing some feats to gain minor spellcasting, but losing weapon training as well is just silly. Why would you run this over a ranger, bloodrager, or paladin if you want a full BAB character with a little spellcasting?
Soo, I love this book, but I have to ask this: Is there any real point to running a fighter with the "Child of Acavna and Amazen" archetype? At first I was excited because it gives the fighter some bloodrager-like spellcasting ability. However, he gives up *all weapon training* and five feats for it! Six feats if you count the one lost for extra skills at level 1. WHAT?
I can see losing some feats to gain minor spellcasting, but losing weapon training as well is just silly. Why would you ever run this over a ranger, bloodrager, or paladin if you want a full BAB character with a little spellcasting?
Prepared arcane 4/9 casting. That's the main draw, I think.
Prepared arcane 4/9 casting. That's the main draw, I think.Soo, I love this book, but I have to ask this: Is there any real point to running a fighter with the "Child of Acavna and Amazen" archetype? At first I was excited because it gives the fighter some bloodrager-like spellcasting ability. However, he gives up *all weapon training* and five feats for it! Six feats if you count the one lost for extra skills at level 1. WHAT?
I can see losing some feats to gain minor spellcasting, but losing weapon training as well is just silly. Why would you ever run this over a ranger, bloodrager, or paladin if you want a full BAB character with a little spellcasting?
True, I guess this is pretty much the only single classed full bab prepared caster. Well, that is arcane at least.
Child of AnA is the "arcane paladin" people have asked for off and on since before Pathfinder even came out.
Right, the thing that bothers me is how weak it is compared to any other full bab caster. If you took away a paladin's ability to smite evil it *might* still be better than the Child of AnA.
Well, the child of AnA gets 1-4 wizard spells, so you get to be a fighter with see invisibility, fly, etc.
Are there any feats in here that would apply to a Keneticists blast ?
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Nope. I see nothing to limit or prohibit that at all. :)Is there anything, other than the meditation time and bardic performance rounds (BPRs), preventing someone using Arrowsong's Lament multiple times in a single day?
That is, could a 1st level Bard give up a bard spell known (or Feat) to get the masterpiece and then spend 2 hours meditating and 6 BPRs to add two 1st level spells to their 'spells known' for the day? Or then later spending another hour and 3 more BPRs to add a third spell known?
It does raise the question of what the 1st thru 5th level spell versions of the masterpiece bring to the table though.
If the 6th level version can be used multiple times per day, for spells UP TO 6th level and at the same 3 bardic performance rounds per spell level cost... then is the only benefit of the 1st thru 5th level versions earlier access to the ability?
At that point, you could take it as a feat and retrain it to each higher spell level version as it became available. One feat instead of six (or six spells known).
Are there any feats in here that would apply to a Keneticists blast ?
No. A Kineticist would get very little out of this book.
And thanks for asking a question I could answer after I got my long delayed PDF!
Are there any feats in here that would apply to a Keneticists blast ?No. A Kineticist would get very little out of this book.
And thanks for asking a question I could answer after I got my long delayed PDF!
If you are looking for questions to answer, I can help. :)
(1) When a Puppetmaster adds Bard spells to her spell list can she choose any of them, or is she limited to the Enchantment and Illusion schools?
(2) Is the Eldritch Scoundrel an Int-based caster?
(3) What types of swords is a Sword Binder Wizard proficient with?
Are there any feats in here that would apply to a Keneticists blast ?No. A Kineticist would get very little out of this book.
And thanks for asking a question I could answer after I got my long delayed PDF!
If you are looking for questions to answer, I can help. :)
(1) When a Puppetmaster adds Bard spells to her spell list can she choose any of them, or is she limited to the Enchantment and Illusion schools?
(2) Is the Eldritch Scoundrel an Int-based caster?
(3) What types of swords is a Sword Binder Wizard proficient with?
I forget number one.
2) Yes, Int-based prepared.3) Pick one, and you get proficiency with that.
Are there any feats in here that would apply to a Keneticists blast ?No. A Kineticist would get very little out of this book.
And thanks for asking a question I could answer after I got my long delayed PDF!
If you are looking for questions to answer, I can help. :)
(1) When a Puppetmaster adds Bard spells to her spell list can she choose any of them, or is she limited to the Enchantment and Illusion schools?
(2) Is the Eldritch Scoundrel an Int-based caster?
(3) What types of swords is a Sword Binder Wizard proficient with?
I forget number one.
2) Yes, Int-based prepared.
Yay!
3) Pick one, and you get proficiency with that.
So what qualifies as a 'sword'? I would assume shortsword, longsword, and greatsword. Is the Bastard Sword an option even though it is exotic? And what about swords like the rapier, gladius, Elven Curve Blade, Estoc, or katana that don't happen to have 'sword' in their names?
