Maybe it's in the spells. What is a quick summary of what the spells do?
I don't have time to describe the spells, but I will list them:
Detect Fiendish Presence
Devil Snare
Punishing Armor
Unholy Ward
Blood Tentacles
Caustic Safeguard
Coward's Cowl
Dream Dalliance
Enticing Adulation
Furious Fire Barrage
Golden Guise
Shadow Endurance
Dream Dalliance is an insidious spell to use to kill somebody with a weak Will save. It gives them dreams so pleasant that they will remain asleep until they starve to death or until they make the Will save (which they can attempt only once a day).
Do you mind spoiling where you pick Ambitious Bond allies from? Is it still the Summon Monster list?Ambitious Bond references Fiendish Boon, so it would be the Summon Monster lists modified for alignment of outsider invoked for that day.
Hmm. Summon Evil Monster it is, then! Pity about the neutral options, but a lenient GM might allow the Summon Neutral Monster list so there's more than elementals.
I think that this looks like a great book. I am playing a Black Robed wizard in a Dragonlance campaign and have for the most part found most of the evil spells, well, kind of boring.
I was actually considering interrupting my subscription so that I could skip this book. Now I am glad I decided to keep it.
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By the way: The Appeaser retains the ability to channel negative energy. The limited ability to channel positive energy is simply an alternate use of channel energy that he gets at level 5+. The big loss for this archetype is the domains.
The Appeaser doesn't "lose" domains. He has access to any of the domains his god offers rather than just two. He just has to pay for that expanded access.
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Another apparent error: There is a new cantrip called "Detect Fiendish Presence". The last sentence of the spell description says "It can also detect clerics and paladins of fiendish deities, including Asmodeus,
archdevils, daemonic harbingers, and demon lords." I thought the whole idea of paladins of Asmodeus had been laid to rest despite that trait in "Distant Shores"?
That is an error. It should say antipaladins rather than paladins.
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That is a lot of tanking skills on the insinuator. Kind of necessary when you think about their names connotations. also Furious Fire Barrage. the name sounds like the fantasy equivalent of burying the enemy in white phosphorous, or rapid firing fireballs until the target does not get up.
Now about golden guise. Does this mean the anti-paladin or evil master of the dark can at least appear in the form of a shining white knight, an angelic figure radiating good, or other suitably good aligned figures? Cause I am getting vibes of how some demonic/evil beings can trick people into following them by making them think they are good.
Now about golden guise. Does this mean the anti-paladin or evil master of the dark can at least appear in the form of a shining white knight, an angelic figure radiating good, or other suitably good aligned figures? Cause I am getting vibes of how some demonic/evil beings can trick people into following them by making them think they are good.
The Golden Guise spell is more about temporarily turning objects into gold, with most of the detail about how armor and weapons get degraded by that transformation.
Be sure to check out the latest Paizo blog. It mentions a few things about Agents of Evil that have not yet been brought up in this thread.
The Insinuator Antipaladin archetype is based on extreme selfishness. Each day, the Insinuator invokes the power of an outsider with an alignment within one step of his own (which can be any evil alignment) and alters his class features based on the alignment of the invoked outsider. He has the following archetype features:
Detect Balance replaces Detect Good.
Smite Impudence replaces Smite Good.
Selfish Healing replaces Touch of Corruption.
Stubborn Health replaces Plague Bringer.
Greeds (as paladin Mercies, but usable only on himself) replace Cruelties.
Bonus Feats replaces Spells.
Aura of Ambition replaces Aura of Despair.
Aura of Glory replaces Aura of Vengeance.
Aura of Belief replaces Aura of Sin.
Aura of Indomitability replaces Aura of Depravity.
Personal Champion replaces Unholy Champion.
What exactly do Detect Balance and Smite Impudence do?
so hows the insinuator antipaladin work?
What exactly do Detect Balance and Smite Impudence do?
Detect Balance detects creatures that are neither good nor evil.
Smite Impudence allows you to smite any creature with an alignment different from that of your invoked outsider, with additional bonuses if the creature is of an opposed alignment.
What exactly do Detect Balance and Smite Impudence do?Detect Balance detects creatures that are neither good nor evil.
Smite Impudence allows you to smite any creature with an alignment different from that of your invoked outsider, with additional bonuses if the creature is of an opposed alignment.
So as you described earlier, the insinuator can invoke an outsider within "one step of it's alignment" which can be any evil alignment. So I assume that means they can invoke demons, devils, daemons, inevitables, proteans, and psychopomps?
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I will be skipping this one.
Ditto. I really wish I could suspend my subscription for the AP because this goes hand in hand with Hell's Vengeance which I don't want either. I don't allow evil characters and neither do the other DM/GM's in my group. Too many years of derailed campaigns and sick jerks.
I will be skipping this one.Ditto. I really wish I could suspend my subscription for the AP because this goes hand in hand with Hell's Vengeance which I don't want either. I don't allow evil characters and neither do the other DM/GM's in my group. Too many years of derailed campaigns and sick jerks.
You can. Just send them an email telling them to cancel your AP subscription, and then start it up again after.
Or you can use the stuff for the enemies your PCs will face. Just because you don't allow PCs to play evil characters doesn't mean the material isn't good for their enemies.
As for the AP, that sucks. Guess there are players that don't know how to play evil. Evil doesn't mean doing random bad things for the sake of doing random bad things.
unless the gm gives you a actual railroad then their asking for some npc to get tied to the tracks.
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So as you described earlier, the insinuator can invoke an outsider within "one step of it's alignment" which can be any evil alignment. So I assume that means they can invoke demons, devils, daemons, inevitables, proteans, and psychopomps?What exactly do Detect Balance and Smite Impudence do?Detect Balance detects creatures that are neither good nor evil.
Smite Impudence allows you to smite any creature with an alignment different from that of your invoked outsider, with additional bonuses if the creature is of an opposed alignment.
There is no exhaustive list given, but any non-good outsider sub-type can work if there is a close enough alignment match. A sidebar specifically mentions most of the sub-types above plus elemental lords.
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Smiting Reversal? What in Asmodeus's name is this?
Can anyone give me details on the feat Coven Caster and the Social trait Carnal Attraction?
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Can anyone give me details on the feat Coven Caster and the Social trait Carnal Attraction?
Coven Caster (and the new Hag Magic alternate racial trait) goes very well with an archetype in the recently released Wayfinder #14. ^_^
Smiting Reversal? What in Asmodeus's name is this?** spoiler omitted **Aha!
Ahahaha
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
This is an NPC feat, but a really f~++ing good one. Very nasty surprise to drop on a party paladin...
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If you fight a lot of antipaladins and creatures with the fiendish template, it might be valid. The prerequisites are rough, though.
Bear in mind that it's a combat feat - characters with Martial Versatility get to add it to their toolbox.
And, finally - other than the ability-score-to-attack part, it will all stack with an existing smite. So if you're a paladin/antipaladin with the feat... things will get ugly. ^_^
If you fight a lot of antipaladins and creatures with the fiendish template, it might be valid. The prerequisites are rough, though.
Bear in mind that it's a combat feat - characters with Martial Versatility get to add it to their toolbox.
And, finally - other than the ability-score-to-attack part, it will all stack with an existing smite. So if you're a paladin/antipaladin with the feat... things will get ugly. ^_^
Oh dang, I didn't even consider Martial Flexibility. Brawlers are unlikely to have very high charisma but they will definitely benefit from level-to-damage.
So the new antipaladin archetype: does it stand enough on its own to be a viable playable class? I've come to really love the Dread Vanguard archetype.
So the new antipaladin archetype: does it stand enough on its own to be a viable playable class? I've come to really love the Dread Vanguard archetype.
I don't have my copy yet, but from what I heard, yes.
- Healing. While a different style from an Antipally's slap o' save-or-suck, it makes you very survivable.- Flexible smiting. Not fighting the forces of good? Well, you can arrange for a Smite Chaos or Smite Law
- Permanent summons. It keeps my favorite part of the class. Or you could go with a weapon boost if you prefer.
- Still full BAB with a d10.
Really, it seems like the only thing you lose out on is your 4/9 casting, traded for bonus feats. That's not enough to ruin the class.
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So the new antipaladin archetype: does it stand enough on its own to be a viable playable class? I've come to really love the Dread Vanguard archetype.
The Insinuator archetype changes enough class features that it almost qualifies as an alternate class on its own -- and I suspect that the main reason it isn't one is that the idea of an alternate class of an alternate class would be rather silly. Its code of conduct basically requires that you always work for your own self interest, so it is far more playable than a standard antipaladin.
So the new antipaladin archetype: does it stand enough on its own to be a viable playable class? I've come to really love the Dread Vanguard archetype.The Insinuator archetype changes enough class features that it almost qualifies as an alternate class on its own -- and I suspect that the main reason it isn't one is that the idea of an alternate class of an alternate class would be rather silly. Its code of conduct basically requires that you always work for your own self interest, so it is far more playable than a standard antipaladin.
Which is totally awesome! Now Antipaladins can actually adventure with normal parties!
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So the new antipaladin archetype: does it stand enough on its own to be a viable playable class? I've come to really love the Dread Vanguard archetype.I don't have my copy yet, but from what I heard, yes.
- Healing. While a different style from an Antipally's slap o' save-or-suck, it makes you very survivable.
- Flexible smiting. Not fighting the forces of good? Well, you can arrange for a Smite Chaos or Smite Law
- Permanent summons. It keeps my favorite part of the class. Or you could go with a weapon boost if you prefer.
- Still full BAB with a d10.Really, it seems like the only thing you lose out on is your 4/9 casting, traded for bonus feats. That's not enough to ruin the class.
The bonus feats might actually be better. The Antipaladin list is awful, full of save DC's that are worthless for a 4th level caster and you don't get any of the strong self-buffs like Divine Favor. You're basically asking yourself if you want feats or Litanies more, and with as good as the rest of the Insinuator's abilities are I think I'd take the feats.
What new spells did witches get? The few that were mentioned aren't witch spells (which admittedly sounds a little odd since even wizards get Unholy Ward). Even the names of the spells they get would be appreciated while I wait for my pdf.
Thanks, I was worried that witches had been forgotten in this book!
So the new antipaladin archetype: does it stand enough on its own to be a viable playable class? I've come to really love the Dread Vanguard archetype.The Insinuator archetype changes enough class features that it almost qualifies as an alternate class on its own -- and I suspect that the main reason it isn't one is that the idea of an alternate class of an alternate class would be rather silly. Its code of conduct basically requires that you always work for your own self interest, so it is far more playable than a standard antipaladin.
I have to think that was the design plan behind the archetype. I have enjoyed playing vanilla antipaladin or the awesome Dread Vanguard archetype but for more groups having a less evil centered antipaladin will almost certainly have more GMs allowing them in games. Which is awesome.
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Or you can use the stuff for the enemies your PCs will face. Just because you don't allow PCs to play evil characters doesn't mean the material isn't good for their enemies.
As for the AP, that sucks. Guess there are players that don't know how to play evil. Evil doesn't mean doing random bad things for the sake of doing random bad things.
I would actually say its surprisingly good even for parties with no evil characters. A lot of the material is more aimed at characters with grim darker backstories and what they do with it rather than just EVIL. Was really surprised. The story feats are pretty cool options for players with darker backgrounds (the dark love and emotionless thing are cool and the dark archivist is a great addition for a mythos/cthulhu game) and I think the appeaser is awesome for players who want to explore that realm of nonevil worshiper of an evil god, especially since we get all the new fluff blocks talking about nonevil cults to these guys. Like I'm kind of jumping at the chance to see a Lamashtu Appeaser devoted to healing and midwifery now, maybe from the deserts where she's the only god who seems to listen.
Honestly I wish there was more of that in here.
Speaking of non-evil cults, any particularly interesting tidbits to dish out on that fluff? I'd especially be interested in what a TN follower of Urgathoa or Norgorber might be like.
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Speaking of non-evil cults, any particularly interesting tidbits to dish out on that fluff? I'd especially be interested in what a TN follower of Urgathoa or Norgorber might be like.
Not much new here... if you've already closely scoured every other source. (Of course, that can be a tall order!)
Average people pray to Urgathoa to relieve disease or plague, and use her as a fable for bad children. Her (relatively common) neutral worshipers tend to be members of hedonist cults.
Norgorber has a lot of stuff on neutral followers, from those who study poison's positive effects (as well as negative) and restrict its use to experts, to cults that use his less murderous methods to preserve the essential balance of the alignments. A true neutral Norgorberite urban druid would be very interesting.
Can I get a bit more info on the Bitter Heart and Magic in the Blood feat's ?
Do they replace the heritage trait the changeling chooses from Kalindlara ?
Or are they just racial traits you choose with your normal allotment of traits ?
LOL....sorry to be predictable ;)
We got some information above about neutral worshippers of evil gods like Norgorber and Urgathoa. What about Lamashtu and Rovagug? I'm especially curious about him, he and his worshipers seem to be pariahs even among the evil gods.