Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Occult Adventures (OGL)

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There is an unseen world all around you. On the streets and in the halls of power, in your dreams and across the bizarre planes of the multiverse, there are those who walk among us like giants among ants, twisting reality to their wills in their search for ancient knowledge. Now pull back the curtain of the mundane world and learn the secrets of these occult masters—if you dare!

Pathfinder RPG Occult Adventures is an indispensable companion to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon over 15 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into a new era.

Pathfinder RPG Occult Adventures includes:

  • Six new occult base classes—the energy-shaping kineticist, the spirit-calling medium, the deceptive mesmerist, the mind-bending psychic, the uncanny occultist, and the phantom-binding spiritualist.
  • Archetypes for all of the new classes, as well as a broad selection of strange and mysterious archetypes and class options for existing characters.
  • New feats to flesh out your occult character, plus a whole new way to use existing skills to become a master of faith healing, hypnotism, psychometry, and more!
  • More than 100 spells using the all-new psychic magic system, plus rituals that grant even non-spellcasting characters occult power! Explore worlds beyond imagining with dream voyage, or defend yourself from mental threats with tower of iron will!
  • Rules and advice to help you steep your game in the occult, from chakras and deadly mindscapes to possession, psychic duels, and the Esoteric Planes.
  • A wide variety of new magic items, such as the eerie spirit mirror and the peculiar tin cap, plus new cursed items and powerful artifacts.
  • ... and much, much more!

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-762-8

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5/5

This massive hardcover clocks in at a whopping 271 pages, though 1 page inside of front cover, 1 page editorial, 1 page ToC and 1/3rd of a page decrease that down to 267 2/3 pages of content, so let's take a look!

Well, before we do, let me deal with the confusion for a second that this review undoubtedly will cause. Yes, I usually only do 3pp material. This has several reasons: For one, I want to showcase the fringe of gaming, the evocative books that push the envelope. Secondly, I'm not particularly affluent, to say the least and want to reward the publishers that do send me their books. Well, I obviously *HAVE* to get the Paizo books anyways, but for the most part nowadays, that means pdf or waiting until they're open sourced - I just can't afford them all. Then again, I do have a policy of covering all books I receive...and I got this book on gencon.

That would be the justification I provide from an intellectual point of view. There is another reason. I *WANT* to write this review and, since I have the hardcover now, have absolutely no reason not to.

Now usually, I provide the respective breakdowns of classes and crunch, but frankly, there are whole guides devoted to that out there, which is why I have elected to pursue a different path this time around. (Different path...that'll be a leitmotif, as you'll see...) In order to properly be able to contextualize my take on this book, I will have to embark on a little recap of Paizo's hardcovers and my history with them, so if you're not interested in that, please skip ahead.

When I got my hands on the core rules hardcover for Pathfinder, I was generally positively surprised - it represents a tightening of 3.X's engine and some sensible, smart tweaks to the mechanics. Still, it didn't manage to elicit cheers or particular excitement at my table - that only came with the APG. The Advanced Player's Guide, in spite of its minor flaws, would represent, at least to me, the truly identity-constituting moment of Pathfinder. It is here, with the alchemist, witch, oracle, etc. that the game set out to truly distinguish itself from its roots and transcend basically anything 3.X ever offered. To this day, the APG classes rank among the favorites at my table, which only bespeaks their staying power and coolness. Next up were Ultimate Magic and Combat and with them, alas, came the power creep.

While, much like many out there, I did enjoy the magus, not much else from Ultimate Magic sees regular use in my games and I went through the book with a fine-toothed comb and ban-hammered/restricted material. Ultimate Combat is a more complex story - on one hand, I did like the new classes and e.g. the emphasis on the narrative aspect the gunslinger entailed; alas, for said class, player agenda suffered and mathematically, it would have been served better with a slightly different chassis. So while I like what it represents and quite a few pieces of UC's options, many aren't used in my games. Mythic Adventures is peculiar - I like mythic gameplay, but only when supported by the ton of Legendary Games material I own - I tried running vanilla WotR and it was PCs curbstomping through everything. Still, I do like this book - just not as a stand-alone. I adore Ultimate Campaign. Its downtime and kingdom building make sense to me, are used a lot at my table and story feats are a good idea as well - there's nothing I don't like about that book and what it has brought to my table.

Well, and the less I say about the ARG and ACG, the better. My stance on both books is well known. (Hint: To say I don't like them would be a gross understatement.)

Fast forward to Occult Adventures. For one, this book's class design represents an organic development that benefits the game. An easy way to look at a class would be to examine it regarding player agenda and character agenda. Character agenda, in this instance, would pertain the ability to contribute meaningfully to various situations. It's why I think that skill unlocks are a good idea and 2 + Int skills for all but Int-based casters, generally, is not a good idea. It's just not as fun to play a fighter who can only kill things and excels at one non-combat thing...unless, of course, that's how you roll, but in general, I have observed players gravitate to classes that provide more skill-use and versatility. Player agenda would be just as important: Can the player make meaningful choices that alter the playstyle? The higher the player agenda is, the more rules-knowledge is required; true. But at the same time, it does help immensely in the long run to generate a unique being from a mechanics point of view - if you don't get to choose, you'll sooner, rather than later, run into a character on distinguished from you by his skills, equipment and feats. Pathfinder, as a system, has covered the base classes for a while; it has advanced players that demand unique concepts. As such and at this point in the system's life, the occult classes with their plethora of meaningful choices are very much appreciated - and if you need some proof of players loving choices, look no further than the modularity of the "Talented" classes invented by Owen K.C. Stephens.

Speaking of classes - let us talk a bit about them and begin with the least "occult" class herein and the most popular one. That would, obviously, be the kineticist...and while I kinda like Avatar, I'm not a rabid fan of this franchise, though I get its appeal. This does not change the fact that the class, as presented, is very niche in focus. Then again, thankfully the 3pp-circuit has since expanded the kineticist's appeal far beyond its thematic confines. (A cheers to N. Jolly for that, even if I don't always agree with all balancing...) So, flavor-wise and regarding base-options, I am not the biggest fan of this class...but at the same time, I absolutely ADORE it. Why? Because it is an engine that would be daring for a small publisher, much more so for Paizo as the industry leader. The rules-engine employed by the kineticist is inspiring and complex and its success is well warranted. Were I to nitpick this class, then my complaints would pertain the fact that its power-curve could be a little better distributed; 17th level plus in particular can be an issue...but that extends to more than just this class and is, to an extent, system-inherent. That being said, I still love this class, though for completely different reasons than probably 99% of its fans and players. It remains a great addition to the class roster and I'm glad it exists.

Now, let us talk a bit about the classes that are designated as occult not only by inclusion in the book, but also by their themes...but for that, we need to talk a bit about genre conventions. It is a general truism that Pathfinder, as a game, is indebted by proxy of D&D to Tolkienesque fantasy and a society structured very much akin to the Early Modern period in history due to the advances of magic. Kobold Press' Midgard is closer to the beginning of the Early Modern period and features a more feudal, medieval flair. Golarion and Pathfinder's default, due to the influences of the weird that made me enjoy the setting in the first place, can be roughly situated at the end of the Early Modern period, with overlaps with the Edwardian and Victorian age - once China Miéville (one of my favorite authors - read the Bas-Lag books!!!)-like aesthetics come into play, you're definitely looking at a society that is bordering a magical industrial revolution. This suits me well, for I come from a Ravenloft background (don't ever get me started on 4th and 5th edition Ravenloft and what I think of those...for all of our sakes...) as such, have always been in love with the fantastic aesthetics of Penny Dreadfuls, early weird fiction, Sword & Sorcery, Sword & Planet...you get the idea. I enjoy these somewhat less standardized, less covered aspects that have been an organic part of the old school aesthetic back in the day, but fell by the wayside somewhere along the lines. Anyways, the classes herein very much support this slightly advanced aesthetic; they resonate well with both the ancient and the more modern themes evoked in their resurgence in aforementioned timeframes. The more subtle magic psychic magic represents and the emotional component inherent in the variant spell system works well in the context of more magic-hostile environments as well as in less fantastic settings with more subdued themes than all out fireball-slinging. The marriage of the aesthetics associated with occultism and their relevant mechanical representations are what makes the classes interesting for me.

Take the medium - while I prefer spirits with names and unique identities, the need to offer the general mechanical framework for the defining spirits of the medium is obvious for such a book and in this context, employing the nomenclature of the mythic paths does make sense and can generate some pretty fun tricks. Had a mythic campaign? Use the PC-names when acting as a vessel for the respective spirit - it's simple, but incredibly rewarding. The general notion of taboos and the influence mechanic similarly can make for some great roleplaying. The mesmerist class tends to be called unfocused by some reviews I've read...and frankly, I have no idea why. The mesmerist, from the cool concept to the execution, makes for a very rewarding playing experience and has some serious optimization potential to boot -the implanting of tricks, the skill-array...both from the perspective of the stories you can tell with this class and the options available for the enterprising player, this class is absolutely amazing and allows for some neat, diverse characters. The stare-mechanic is also something that can be employed to rather great effect. The occultist is a similarly evocative concept - the focus on implements and fact that each can make for an unique item on its own is a lot of roleplaying potential and the respective focus powers provide a similarly interesting playing experience. The psychic, as the full caster, ranks as one of the more intriguing full casters in my book, with magical amplification and disciplines providing a nice array of diverse builds. The spiritualist, finally, would basically be a balanced take on the summoner with a fluff that I consider amazing.

This would bring me to what sets the classes apart more so than their mechanical validity - the fact that, to me, they represent, universally a great blending of providing player and character agenda, but this also means that they have things they can do beyond the confines of combat - there is a significant emphasis on the ROLEplaying aspect of the game we all know and love, with a wide variety of diverse tricks associated with actual roleplaying; the classes have means of depicting interesting characters; a player can really make each class its own: The implements, phantoms and all the components of the classes and their structure almost demand, organically, to be used by the player to make something that exceeds the totality of the mathematical components. In short, as far I'm concerned, these are the best player-focused options since the APG and as a whole, I consider the roster to be superior to even that gem of a book.

However, the customization options similarly provide some seriously cool tricks: Want to play Scarecrow from Batman? Yup. Cultist leader? Yep. Eat books and draw strength from it? Yeah. Amnesiac psychic? Yup. As a whole, covering archetypes and feats would obviously bloat the book beyond compare - but one crucial point as opposed to most books of this size lies in the big C-word - consistency. There are no overpowered options here...and neither are there options that you'd consider to be subpar traps sans value - there is some character concept, some specific thing that makes sense from a build and/or flavor perspective. (The options that I won't use will be the onmyoji, elemental annihilator, psychic duelist and kami medium - the Eastern-themed ones mainly since I prefer Interjection Games' take on the Onmyoji and its themes; the psychic duelist is a nice specialist, but doesn't blow me away. Finally, the annihilator...well, I have 3pp options that are more versatile.) - notice something? My criticism here pertains mostly taste.

Now this alone does make the book shine very much for me; at the same time, I wouldn't be me if I didn't have complaints, right? So there we go: The book contains various pieces of advice and alternate rules/subsystems of the material and one would by psychic duels...which are generally an awesome idea and provide for cool, creative minigames when handled right. Alas, the spell used to start them, instigate psychic duel, pretty much is a save-or-suck option, since the affected target has the save...and while the duel is in process, the target cannot move...which allows allies to stab the foe to bits. Oddly, the instigator of such a duel can end it via a Will-save as per the spell, when the psychic duel-rules do not mention such an option for the affected character - this is intended, undoubtedly, since those caught in a duel can be shaken out of it. At the same time, I think that pretty basic modifications could have prevented that little lockdown-aspect: For example, taking a penalty on MP to be capable of at least utilizing a fraction of the action array available...you know, moving slowly towards the instigator while battling him in the duel, maintaining at least defenses...the like. Granted, the system is optional and can be modified rather easily, but I'm still somewhat astonished that this very basic strategy was not used, particularly after the complaints the slumber hex etc. received. Still, this represents a relatively minor issue when seen in relation to the number of things that *do* work pretty perfectly...and the fact that psychic duels work infinitely better than 3.X's mindscapes and similar tricks.

Once again, the storytelling potential is what sells this on me. Beyond the copious GM-advice, the book contains some information on esoteric planes like the akashic record, the positive/negative energy plane and the like - which I generally enjoyed. At the same time, I did feel like the book could have done a little bit more with unique planar features for some of them, since not all receive this component in detail. Of course gear, both mundane and magical, can be found in this tome - from the phrenologist's kit (phrenology being the by now debunked belief that the size and shape of the skull influences personality etc. - and yes, there's a feat inspired by it here!) to the Dorian Gray-ish pictures, we notice one thing - the items, much like a ton of material herein, is steeped in a sense of the real, in the occult traditions and pseudo-science of days gone by.

What do I mean by this? Take alchemy, an established concept in our fantasy games. If you have the stamina to power through them, I'd sincerely suggest getting a copy of the writings of real world alchemists, sit down with the cool alchemy recipes and start - I guarantee you'll come up with new and evocative material. A similar observation can be made here - the tying into concepts and ideas established in our world generates basically the largest hand-out you could fathom and some research will almost assuredly provide a vast selection of truly evocative concepts to represent, while also teaching something new along the way. You do not have to be interested in masons, OTO, etc. to enjoy this book - but you can draw upon esoteric and occult knowledge to enrich the game tremendously. Heck, I'm pretty much a nihilistic atheist and my fascination with the subject matter stems from a purely intellectual point of view, but I still appreciate all the ideas and their impact on the genesis of our mode of thought. Similarly, the idea of locus spirits, of tapping into ley lines and similar high-concept tricks complement an implied world-building and -conception that goes beyond the surface, that extends into a level of depth beyond the superficial pushing of numbers.

Part II of my review can be found here!


Fun, but a bit esoteric

3/5

Don't take it the wrong way. You can have tons of fun with this book in other games. I played a mesmerist and it was hilarious, had a whole Doctor Orpheus thing going on. The Kineticist can be flavored a little and it basically becomes a bender from Avatar! How freaking cool is that?!
There are quite a few spells and special abilities that feel like they can only come in handy in very specific ways though. All the mindscape things would almost never come up in a regular game. This feels very much like a book that would be a lot more fun if all your players HAD to take a class from this book, which is a terrible premise for a core book.
On a personal note, almost none of these classes work with Mythic Adventures...


Solid Product

4/5

Really, nothing in this book is bad overall, and while there's a few mechanics that I would like to change, it's not enough to change my thoughts. The psychic casters are interesting with different mechanics that still feel familiar, and everything else works very well. I'd say it's worth picking up.


Finally psychic powers makes it's way to Pathfinder

5/5

I have been waiting for psychic related rules for Pathfinder for a long time and I am happy for what I see.
Kineticist- This one has become one of my favorite classes with it's all day blasting and at will/always active spell powers and supernatural abilities. I would love to see more classes that focuses on spell powers and supernatural abilities then just spellcasters, martials, and skill monkeys.
Medium- While I am not big on this one, it does have some interesting flavor and good story ideas. My only problem is it is one of the more complex classes.
Mesmerist- I like this one, it is a debuffer counter part to the bard and also makes a great villain. It is also a good spiritual successor for the Beguiler class.
Occultist- As with the Medium interesting flavor and good story value but complex mechanically. Not one my favorites but like all classes in this book, it fills a niche.
Psychic- Interesting class and fills the 9th caster for psychic magic but lacks in the flavor/story department compared to the other 5 classes. Still a solid class with some interesting abilities.
Spiritualist- One of my favorite classes has good flavor/story value and is not as complicated to use as the Medium and Occultist. A great class when dealing with incorporeal creatures especially undead.
These classes are just the tip of the iceberg, we get rules for auras, chakras, psychic duels, possession, occult rituals, occult skill unlocks, loci spirits, ley lines, mindscapes, and more. This one is as useful as the APG and the ARG.


A great addition to the game

5/5

Read my full review on Of Dice and Pen.

Occult Adventures is a great addition to the Pathfinder game. It does more than just introduce a bunch of new classes and create Pathfinder's version of psionics. It adds a whole new flavour and style of campaign with new rules options that back that flavour up. I eagerly look forward to trying out some of its ideas in a future campaign.


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Liberty's Edge

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Hey if psychic magic doesn't have a somatic component, does that mean you don't need free hands to cast psychic spells?

Sovereign Court

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Samy wrote:
Hey if psychic magic doesn't have a somatic component, does that mean you don't need free hands to cast psychic spells?

I believe that is correct. Mindblade magi using spell combat might be an exception - I'd have to check the wording of the ability.


Samy wrote:
Hey if psychic magic doesn't have a somatic component, does that mean you don't need free hands to cast psychic spells?

Yes. You don't need to speak or move, and you only need material components if they are of the expensive category. According to the book, you can even cast psychic spells when grappled or paralyzed. So no arcane spell failure from wearing armor either.


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Kalindlara wrote:
Samy wrote:
Hey if psychic magic doesn't have a somatic component, does that mean you don't need free hands to cast psychic spells?
I believe that is correct. Mindblade magi using spell combat might be an exception - I'd have to check the wording of the ability.

Casting psychic spells doesn't require a free hand, but Spell Combat always has even when there are no somatic components. For the Mindblade this restriction gradually lifts. At 7th level they count as having a hand free with two psychic weapons or a double psychic weapon, and at 13th level they count as having a hand free when wielding a two-handed psychic weapon.


Gisher wrote:
Samy wrote:
Hey if psychic magic doesn't have a somatic component, does that mean you don't need free hands to cast psychic spells?
Yes. You don't need to speak or move, and you only need material components if they are of the expensive category. According to the book, you can even cast psychic spells when grappled or paralyzed. So no arcane spell failure from wearing armor either.

You will still need to make concentration checks if you are grappled.


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First off, THANK YOU PAIZO for including the Order of the Shroud Cavalier Order as well as the Ghost Rider! My group is just beginning to prepare PC's for our GM's heavily modified version of the Carrion Crown Adventure Path and one of our players really wanted to play a Cavalier with an order focusing on killing undead!

Everything seems totally and completely awesome in this book. My one quip is that the Psychic's Disciplines seem a bit too dark but thankful the Faith Discipline allows for some benevolent deity goodness. :D

I don't know yet if there are more Oracle curses featured in this book (which is something I feel the Oracle class really needs more of) but I'm enjoying everything else thoroughly.


I love the Ghost Rider as well! As for Orders, I much prefer the Eastern Star over the Shroud as I try to stay away from anything too specific.

Unfortunately, there is nothing I have seen for the Oracle in this awesome book.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I also love the Ghost Rider - they can make interesting 'elite' cavalry for villains. Could totally see that occuring in Geb or Irrisen.


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I also love the Ghost Rider - they can make interesting 'elite' cavalry for villains. Could totally see that occuring in Geb or Irrisen.

Not to mention an imposing cavalry for Pharasma's clergy. ;) :D

Shadow Lodge

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Does anyone know about equipping the undead servant for the occultist? Like if an occultist starts equipping his skeleton or zombie does it retain that gear after it dis corporates, do you have to equip it again, or does it follow general bestiary rules where it's considered proficient with the weapons you give it?


Question about this and future products: has the starting age thing been dropped or what?


Gars DarkLover wrote:
Question about this and future products: has the starting age thing been dropped or what?

I hope so, saves pagecount.


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Milo v3 wrote:
Gars DarkLover wrote:
Question about this and future products: has the starting age thing been dropped or what?
I hope so, saves pagecount.

Seriously? Starting ages could be handled with one line per class that puts each class in the category of intuitive, self-taught, or trained. I doubt that they are that tight for space.

Liberty's Edge

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David knott 242 wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
Gars DarkLover wrote:
Question about this and future products: has the starting age thing been dropped or what?
I hope so, saves pagecount.

Seriously? Starting ages could be handled with one line per class that puts each class in the category of intuitive, self-taught, or trained. I doubt that they are that tight for space.

In a way, I agree with your idea. A suggested starting age would not go amiss, and help most people with getting a feel of their class in terms of experience. On the other hand, the call to adventure affects different people in different ways, coming in early-or much later on. So does the path to becoming an adventurer. Some of it is self taught, some of it can be instinctive, and some are trained over a long period of time. It is case by case in that regard. But your suggestion is a good one David. I do hope that paizo takes it on in some way.

Dark Archive

This may have already been asked, but does psychic magic detect normally with detect magic and similar spells? And, would a cleric or a wizard automatically realize it's a psychic magic spell/effect?


Asgetrion wrote:
This may have already been asked, but does psychic magic detect normally with detect magic and similar spells? And, would a cleric or a wizard automatically realize it's a psychic magic spell/effect?

Psychic magic is just another type of magic, so psychic magic detects normally with detect magic and similar spells IF divine magic detect normally with detect magic and similar spells, a cleric or wizard can automatically realize it's a psychic magic effect IF a cleric or wizard can automatically realize something is an arcane or divine magic effect.

Dark Archive

Thanks, Milo! Hmm, so does a wizard or cleric also get to roll Spellcraft to identify psychic spells/effects, or is it limited to psychic casters only?

(note: in our group we've allowed arcane casters to identify divine spells and vice versa; AFAIK there's nothing in the core rulebook that would imply you can't do it as long as you have ranks in Spellcraft)

Shadow Lodge

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ErisAcolyte-Chaos jester wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
Gars DarkLover wrote:
Question about this and future products: has the starting age thing been dropped or what?
I hope so, saves pagecount.

Seriously? Starting ages could be handled with one line per class that puts each class in the category of intuitive, self-taught, or trained. I doubt that they are that tight for space.

In a way, I agree with your idea. A suggested starting age would not go amiss, and help most people with getting a feel of their class in terms of experience. On the other hand, the call to adventure affects different people in different ways, coming in early-or much later on. So does the path to becoming an adventurer. Some of it is self taught, some of it can be instinctive, and some are trained over a long period of time. It is case by case in that regard. But your suggestion is a good one David. I do hope that paizo takes it on in some way.

Honestly I like to have it as a barometer for the amount of time most of these classes take in training if nothing else. Having some way preexisting formula that can be pointed to for new players that says "yeah, for dwarves it can take as many as 30 years of training to become to learn the basics of occult lore and training." Helps a lot when it comes to wrapping their heads around the in world consequences and commitments some of the classes would take to become serviceable in.

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Liberty's Edge

I have an odd observation. since the ability to revive the Promethean alchemist's homonculous companion requires a pint of blood per hit die i have trouble with the time being only one hour. there are a maximum of 10 pints of blood in the average human body, and only one pint is safe to lose at a time. a generic hp loss seems more reasonable to me.


Does this manual give info on what Bestiary monsters qualify to be called "spirits"?


Does anyone know if there is a way for the Ghost Rider archetype to have a monstrous mount that's also his ghost mount?


Asgetrion wrote:

Thanks, Milo! Hmm, so does a wizard or cleric also get to roll Spellcraft to identify psychic spells/effects, or is it limited to psychic casters only?

(note: in our group we've allowed arcane casters to identify divine spells and vice versa; AFAIK there's nothing in the core rulebook that would imply you can't do it as long as you have ranks in Spellcraft)

I'm curious about this as well. Does Spellcraft allow you to identify psychic spells as they are being cast?


IIRC: yes.

Here's a quote from OA, chapter 'psychic magic':

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A psychic spell largely functions like any other spell. It’s another type of magic, similar to arcane or divine magic—in fact, those who use psychic magic are easily mistaken for practitioners of arcane and divine traditions. Metamagic feats and any other rules that alter or trigger from spells can usually be used with psychic spells (though see the Components section below for a few exceptions). Psychic spellcasters aren’t affected by effects that target only arcane or divine spellcasters, nor can they use arcane or divine scrolls or other items or feats that state they can be utilized by only arcane or divine spellcasters.


Are there any new Traits in this book?


137ben wrote:
Are there any new Traits in this book?

No. Not in the "Players pick two Traits when creating new PCs" meaning.


Out of curiosity, has anyone thought about combining the Wall (form) infusion with the Bowling or Pushing (substance) infusions?

I don't see anything to prevent creating a Wall that pushes creatures away or trips them.


So ... immersive harmful mindscapes ... such as created by 'Create Mindscape' ... 4th level spell for a psychic ...

It's an illusion which allows for real damage to be done. So it makes me think of spells like Shadow Conjuration and Shadow Evocation. But those spells have very clear limits, and Create Mindscape, doesn't seem to.

Other than Rule 0, what's to stop my ever-ingenenious players declaring that:

... their target is immersed in lava (20d6/round), while the caster stands at the volcano's edge?
... their one believable creature is the tarrasque, who immediately attacks at (+37, 4d8+15) ?

I wondered if I should use the Psychic Manifestation rules to handle such attempts ... but they're very explicit about those being used only in a binary mindscape, not an immersive one.

What text am I missing that will give me a handle on this?

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Gauss wrote:

Out of curiosity, has anyone thought about combining the Wall (form) infusion with the Bowling or Pushing (substance) infusions?

I don't see anything to prevent creating a Wall that pushes creatures away or trips them.

I have done similar shenanigans. Wall + substance is actually really good battlefield control. So many ways to ready an action to ruin a charge...bwahahaha

Silver Crusade

The burn from Powerful Fist for the elemental ascetic can be reduced as a form infusion. But as it's supposed to boost the damage of your kinetic fist, which is also a form infusion, wouldn't it need to be a substance infusion so both can be used together? Or is this a specific instance of being able to have two form infusions on the same blast?


Would anyone know if they're intending to make supplementary material for this? The lack of a 9th level Wild Talent for Telekineticists and Aerokineticists is agonizingly awful, and the universally available Talents don't offer a 9th level option, either.
(and the Aether-using Kineticists just need some better stuff in general...)


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Jek wrote:

Would anyone know if they're intending to make supplementary material for this? The lack of a 9th level Wild Talent for Telekineticists and Aerokineticists is agonizingly awful, and the universally available Talents don't offer a 9th level option, either.

(and the Aether-using Kineticists just need some better stuff in general...)

Yes.


Generally, the kineticist ends up being the weakest link in the book, but it is also my favorite class conceptually. The problem is that any other class can swap out spells or equipment to adapt to combat challenges, but the kineticist's primary weapon (his blasts) are very rigid. A fire kineticist is done the second he is stuck fighting a fire elemental or demon. The option to use the elemental spell metamagic feat doesn't solve the problem because gather power, the ability to reduce burn costs is too obvious to intelligent attackers. It creates this death trap situation where the enemy can force the kineticist to take damage either way.

Burn needs to be errata'ed heavily to be less self defeating and less confusing mechanically. Also, blasts are the kineticist's weapon: They should be able to effect it with equipment choices, feats, or built in class features to work around immunities. Thirdly, gather power shouldn't announce itself with a blow horn.


I still think every element should have had two different blast and that the kineticist should start with both at level 1. Maybe we will get an archetype for this one day.


By the way, has anyone ran into any issues involving enemies making heavy use of the intimidate skill against psychic PCs? Several guides were pointing out that psychics could be effectively shut down from doing anything meaningful with a few well done intimidate checks due to the whole emotional component thing. Its kind of like every NPC thug carrying a reusable wand of lesser silence to use on wizards from the way the guide's are depicting things.


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No, I try not to have an adversarial relationship with my players, seems like a dick move to me. :-)


Jabborwacky wrote:
By the way, has anyone ran into any issues involving enemies making heavy use of the intimidate skill against psychic PCs? Several guides were pointing out that psychics could be effectively shut down from doing anything meaningful with a few well done intimidate checks due to the whole emotional component thing. Its kind of like every NPC thug carrying a reusable wand of lesser silence to use on wizards from the way the guide's are depicting things.

Haven't run into it yet, but if it's an issue, all of the classes have a way to cope.

Psychic has several disciplines that get around fear at fairly low levels (Abomination and Pain in particular). All disciplines can spend points from their phrenic pool to apply Logical Spell without wasting a feat or a higher level slot.
Mesmerist has a touch treatment at level 3.
Occultist can fall back on implements until the shaken duration is up.
Spiritualist is a pet class.
Medium is only a 4/9 caster, and when they're a 6/9 caster they have access to divine or arcane casting.

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Also, a potion of remove fear costs 25 gp and suppresses all preexisting fear effects for the spell's duration.


Alexander Augunas wrote:
Also, a potion of remove fear costs 25 gp and suppresses all preexisting fear effects for the spell's duration.

25gp to make, 50gp to buy. :P

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Jabborwacky wrote:
By the way, has anyone ran into any issues involving enemies making heavy use of the intimidate skill against psychic PCs? Several guides were pointing out that psychics could be effectively shut down from doing anything meaningful with a few well done intimidate checks due to the whole emotional component thing. Its kind of like every NPC thug carrying a reusable wand of lesser silence to use on wizards from the way the guide's are depicting things.

In addition to what others have said, there's also a lot of really good spells that don't have emotion components including-

Blindness/Deafness
Blur
Command / Greater Command
Suggestion / Mass Suggestion
Dimension Door
Displacement
Geas / Lesser Geas
Irresistible Dance
Mass Charm Monster
Power Word Blind
Denounce
Invigorate / Mass Invigorate
Forbid Action / Greater Forbid Action
Murderous Command
Primal Scream
Steal Voice
Truespeak
Vision of Hell

So you have options at every level for casting in spite of Intimidate, and then there are individual class options, like the Mesmerist's ability to remove shaken with Touch Treatment as a swift action by 3rd level. It's not much worse than grappling is for arcane casters, i.e. yes it can suck if you're caught unprepared, but there's enough ways to avoid it that it shouldn't be messing with you worse than anything else any caster deals with.

Liberty's Edge

Just noticed that Occult Adventures is not in the official PRD. Has there been any mention of how soon it might be added?

Thanks!


Marc Radle wrote:

Just noticed that Occult Adventures is not in the official PRD. Has there been any mention of how soon it might be added?

Thanks!

The last thing that I read was this.

Chris Lambertz wrote:

September 30, 2015 Update

This update included the latest content from the second printing of the Advanced Class Guide. We've also corrected all bugs indicated up to this post. You'll also find that our Bestiary Index has gotten much more robust (thanks, Liz!), and we'll have more details on that soon. Our next update should include both Unchained and Occult Adventures.


I wonder if the Mesmerist will get any feats that will improve it's Psychic Inception Bold Stare ability? Or perhaps allowing the Mesmerist to use it's hypnotic stare on two creatures at the same time (instead of just one)?

Silver Crusade

I couldn't see if anyone noticed this or not, but in the psychic duelist archetype for the psychic you're able to start being able to select manifestation amplifications at 7th level in place of phrenic amplifications, yet you give up your 7th level phrenic amplification to get reciprocal defense. Is this intentional or something that was overlooked before the book went to print?


Blayde MacRonan wrote:
I couldn't see if anyone noticed this or not, but... <snip>

Read text. Look at avatar pic.

...

Surely it couldn't possibly be the blindfold -- there's an eye on it!

<LOL>

Sorry. Bad day. This just made it a lil' better. Thanks.
(^_')=b

Carry on!

--C.

Silver Crusade

Okay... I finally got to look up psychic duelist in the actual book, rather than the PFSRD site. And reciprocal defense is actually a manifestation amplification. The way it is presented on the site, I couldn't tell that it was.

I retract my previous question.

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Q: does one with the Lucid Dreamer feat gain any advantage using the dream or minor dream spells? (i.e. dream council has explicit instructions for those who take this feat, but it seems there should be a basic level of extra interactions allowed for that feat's users when casting or receiving messages from those two spells...)


Just dream council.

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Thanks Milo3 - do you know if (other than OA and House on Hook Street) there's another Paizo product which discusses the differences between a regular character and one that has Lucid Dreamer feat in terms of how they interact with dreamscapes? Thanks!


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Thanks Milo3 - do you know if (other than OA and House on Hook Street) there's another Paizo product which discusses the differences between a regular character and one that has Lucid Dreamer feat in terms of how they interact with dreamscapes? Thanks!

Unfortunately I do not purchase non-RPG line stuff from Paizo so I can't be 100% sure, but there might be something in the "Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Occult Realms" book since the books description mentions the Dimension of Dreams.

The lack on content in the area is something I'm actually attempting to fix with homebrew right now, in the middle of writing down ideas for dream-content such as archetypes, spells, feats, possible revisions of dream and nightmare spells, etc.

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