Ectually, 14 and 15 are 2.
Str 15
Dex 9
Con 9
Int 16
Wis 12
Chr 11
As former Military, Id probably be a fighter. Although, I do have a bad temper, so I could make a rather odd barbarian build?
Magus might be good too.
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Str: 12 (2 pts) (I can lift more than my own body wait and carry other people)
Dex: 10
Con: 12 (2 pts) (I can run at least 6 miles)
Int: 12 (2 pt) (I read a lot, and have gotten President's Dean's list before, close to BA)
Wis: 14 (+2) (2 pts) (I'm a medic, generally patient and perceptive)
Cha: 12 (2 pts) (I can rock at public speaking if I want to, I've been a councilor before)
As class, I would either go with the Combat Medic from Heroes of Battle, Raven Knight from Exp to Castle Ravenloft, or Sword Knight (Clerist) from DL.
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Based on a combination of arbitrary tests and the opinion of my gaming group:
Str 13
Dex 17
Con 13
Int 14
Wis 12
Cha 14
Having to stick with a limited point buy? No idea. I know that the above is a 31 point buy, which is quite high, but it at least has a hair of honesty since I made no decisions in their determination (it was all tests combined with the opinions of the gaming group, not including me).
Is intelligence equal to IQ? If so, how do they correlate to each other?
STR 13
DEX 8
CON 8
INT 14 (+2 Human = 16)
WIS 11
CHA 14
Class...eh? Probably bard if I had to choose (even if I don't enjoy playing them). I tend to asorb a lot of trivial knowledge without a practical use for it and am entertained by a good puzzle or problem that can be solved with creative math and have a way with people an animals, however I'm extremely clumsy and have a long list of health problems despite getting plenty exercise and enjoying a decent workout. I'd also tend to be the sort of guy who'd readily hang back and try to help without getting too mixed up in the danger. Barring that choice probably either a rogue who focused on social and knowledge skills rather than atheletic and field based skills or combat. Final choice would be a sorcerer (enjoying the same results of a wizard without the neccessary attention span and hours of study).
Int is your ability to memorize and understand factual info.
Isn't that, for the most part, what IQ is supposed to represent?
I'd be more interested in seeing how others would stat up modern or historical personages. It'd be informative to see how others judge what the six ability scores conceptually represent when assigned to real people. What is Stephen Hawkings' Int? How dextrous was Jackie Chan before he starting acquiring age-related ability score penalties? What must have been Rasputin's Con score?
Not certain what all of my stats would be, but a few years ago I had an interesting experience with my constitution score.
In my mid-thirties, I was running marathons and had finished two ironman-distance triathlons, so I probably had a CON score of 15?
Then I got cancer and had to go through some really nasty chemotherapy cycles, and can honestly say I had a CON score of 1 (maybe even .5) for quite a few months during the treatment.
Now that I've passed into the middle-aged category for a human, I definitely have noticed the -1 to all of my physical stats, but I think I'm still waiting for that +1 boost I'm supposed to get to my INT and WIS!
Sadly, I am not proficient with any weapons or armor, so I believe the only class that I fit into is a commoner, but I bet I'm a pretty high level commoner by now. Speaking of which, where is the commoner optimization thread?
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People have to remember that 10 is supposed to represent human average. I see some people who have above average stats in every category or most categories, I'm sorry, I have to call "really"? So you're smarter wiser faster more charismatic more intelligent and healthier than everyone most other people. I think people start to suffer from the I don't want to have a weak character flaw when they think of their own stats. But for example I know I'm stronger than most people but not stronger than people who dedicate themselves to lifting weights, but I'm slow to react and have no common sense. I just think that if you have no negative you may want to re-evaluate yourself.
Str-10 I'm average
Dex-13 I have good reflexes
Con-9 I don't think I could really take a punch
Int-13 I have an easy time learning, and I feel I'm rather intelligent
Wis-10 I have average perception
Cha-14 (16) Not only am I great with people and persuasive, I'm also a great singer.
Based on the fact that I'm a singer, and that I like knowing random facts I am surely a bard!
:edit: I have ranks in heal, after passing an EMT-B course
Boy, these always end well. :P
Here's what I'd give myself:
Strength 11 -- I'm 6'0 and fairly broad (even without the fat).
Dexterity 10 -- I'm pretty strictly average here.
Constitution 9 -- I'm out of shape.
Intelligence 17 -- All I know for sure is my IQ is at least 130. Depending on interpretation, I could be anywhere from 14 to 18.
Wisdom 10 -- Nicely tempers my intelligence... :P
Charisma 8 -- I'm blunt, and often do not moderate what I say -- at all.
Clearly a wizard.
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I did my best to justify why I assigned each stat.
Str 14 I can clean and jerk 185 lbs and deadlift a little over 315 lbs.
Dex 15 I can consistently hit a fast pitch baseball at the batting cage; I am a good shot with a bow and a handgun, and I can do standing flips.
Con 8 I seem to get sick a lot and am a lousy long distance runner.
Int 14 I majored in Geology, Chemistry and Classics in College. I learn new material quickly, but I know people who are smarter than I am.
Wis 10 Average, nothing more.
Char 10 I am quiet, and I lack assertiveness; but, on the other hand, I am generally well-liked.
You and I are similar, I can clean and jerk 250 (well I could when I had access to the weights, but it's hard to find a gym with clean and jerk weights) and bench 300.
I recovered from a broken leg in half the time the doctors told me to expect and I have walked away from some very serious accidents, and even the accidents I've gotten hurt with I was less hurt than I should have been (high HP)
Although you didn't stick to the 10 point buy, at least you have some decent justifications
I did my best to justify why I assigned each stat.
Str 14 I can clean and jerk 185 lbs and deadlift a little over 315 lbs.
Dex 15 I can consistently hit a fast pitch baseball at the batting cage; I am a good shot with a bow and a handgun, and I can do standing flips.
Con 8 I seem to get sick a lot and am a lousy long distance runner.
Int 14 I majored in Geology, Chemistry and Classics in College. I learn new material quickly, but I know people who are smarter than I am.
Wis 10 Average, nothing more.
Char 10 I am quiet, and I lack assertiveness; but, on the other hand, I am generally well-liked.
You and I are similar, I can clean and jerk 250 (well I could when I had access to the weights, but it's hard to find a gym with clean and jerk weights) and bench 300.
I recovered from a broken leg in half the time the doctors told me to expect and I have walked away from some very serious accidents, and even the accidents I've gotten hurt with I was less hurt than I should have been (high HP)
Although you didn't stick to the 10 point buy, at least you have some decent justifications
Doesn't being able to bench 300lbs put you closer to 16 or 17 in strength?
Boy, these always end well. :P
Here's what I'd give myself:
Strength 11 -- I'm 6'0 and fairly broad (even without the fat).
Dexterity 10 -- I'm pretty strictly average here.
Constitution 9 -- I'm out of shape.
Intelligence 17 -- All I know for sure is my IQ is at least 130. Depending on interpretation, I could be anywhere from 14 to 18.
Wisdom 10 -- Nicely tempers my intelligence... :P
Charisma 8 -- I'm blunt, and often do not moderate what I say -- at all.Clearly a wizard.
Hmmm...based on the other ratings here, I'm going to revise my Intelligence down to 16. I called it 17 based on my IQ being at or above the 98th percentile, but I don't think others are applying the same standard.
If assuming I assigned my racial +2 to Intelligence, I'm a 3-pt character. :)
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Int is your ability to memorize and understand factual info.Isn't that, for the most part, what IQ is supposed to represent?
Not always. There are also skills and other factors. Having a high Int might allow you to figure something out, (like math), but the IQ test is designed (and very inacuart/misleading) to show aptitudes and understnding of a variety of things, so would best be an even mixture of Wis and Int, I think.
What is Stephen Hawkings' Int? How dextrous was Jackie Chan before he starting acquiring age-related ability score penalties? What must have been Rasputin's Con score?
They just get special "I'm Eleminister" discounts for being the DM's pet NPC.
So I just figured out my stats--
STR: 12, I work as a carpenter, but I'm certainly not the strongest guy on the job.
DEX: 7, I have a lot of practice falling over.
CON: 9, never really recovered from chemo.
INT: 15, I think most of us probably have a high stat here-- we're all smart enough to choose to play Pathfinder!
WIS: 10, In game terms (perception, survival, etc.) probably higher, but I wouldn't describe myself as wise.
CHA: 9, I always think I'm better at diplomacy than I actually am.
Yikes, I am a NEGATIVE ONE point buy character.
And Evadragon, I think I'd like to multiclass into Aristocrat.
INT: 15, I think most of us probably have a high stat here-- we're all smart enough to choose to play Pathfinder!
Is there a modifier for really, really liking Savage Worlds? :P
I think I will ask my gaming group to try this.
Here are my scores, with a bit of explanation on each.
Str- 10
Dex- 14 (I can juggle, ride a unicycle, walk a railroad rail for over a mile, etc)
Con- 12 (when I was younger this would have been much higher)
Int- 17 (Nat Merit scholar, physics degree, 98 %ile on SAT & ACT)
wis- 12 (this is the hardest to do and could be off in either direction)
Cha- 10 (this might be too high)
As for class, I think there is little doubt among my friends that I would have been a wizard, but I think I would have dipped at least a few levels into rogue.
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Is there a reason for the 10 Point Buy?It's for the same reason as Lastknightleft posted, to keep people honest.
If you are truly exceptional, then ignore it, but, most people are either going to be exaggerating or underestimating themselves.
I think that's what throughing people off. I wouldn't say I am exceptionl, though I honestly don't think that 10 point buy can honestly cover many people, (though highly doubt anyone has higher than 15 in anything, and 14 in Int specifically) (no insult intended).
Does the fact that I can hit a target at 750 meters fairly consistantly, unaided mean I have I high Dex, a high is, proficiency and BaB, or skill ranks?
I put a Con of 12 for a 6+ mile run, but what does it mean for those who can run marahons (I swearI saw someone mention that here)? 12 is just above average, but I don't the marathon runner can hold their breath for 3 minutes or so.
Here's a better explanation of what I mean. . .
Int- 17 (Nat Merit scholar, physics degree, 98 %ile on SAT & ACT)
I would place this as a 14 Int at most. Very above norm, but 15+ would be reserved for the true suprageniuses. The 1 out of a 100,000 type people. 18 being the absolute highest a normal human can achieve (without some sort of aid). Even then 22 is the highest without some sort of divine bestowing (1 in a century type thing).
Str 11 - I keep myself in shape, but not enough to get a +1 strength modifier
Dex 8 - I'm very clumsy
Con 7 - I'm hemophiliac, but I don't get sick too often
Int 13 - I guess this is my only good ability score, because I'm a nerd
Wis 12 - I don't have any addiction and I don't wear glasses
Cha 10 - I'm a good orator in public, but I lack a little of self-confidence in the relationship department
If a had to pick a class, I would be a Wizard, because I need to keep out of harm's way.
In the world of Pathfinder, I would surely die quickly, killed in my first encounter with a goblin. ;)
How much could Einstein bench press?
Seeing as how he was bookish and a thinker rather than laborer, I'd hazard to say that his Strength was likely low to average; perhaps 9 or 10.
Was Washington able to juggle?
Unknown, though he was an experience horseman for what it's worth.
Did Cesar get short of breath easily?
Considering that he endured many foreign campaigns, we was likely in quite good shape. He also lived to an advanced age and it took 15 stab wounds to bring him down in the end; so I'd hazard to say that Con was not his dump stat. ;)
While interesting, historical figures are generally disconnected from anything beyond what makes them known and was worth remembering.
Since I haven't met any of the thread's posters, I feel more disconnected from the list of scores they assign themselves. Since I've no person to associate to them, they seem largely random to me. A well known person offers a common point of reference which we can all judge for ourselves and discuss however.
Is there a reason for the 10 Point Buy?It's for the same reason as Lastknightleft posted, to keep people honest.
If you are truly exceptional, then ignore it, but, most people are either going to be exaggerating or underestimating themselves.
I think that's what throughing people off. I wouldn't say I am exceptionl, though I honestly don't think that 10 point buy can honestly cover many people, (though highly doubt anyone has higher than 15 in anything, and 14 in Int specifically) (no insult intended).
Does the fact that I can hit a target at 750 meters fairly consistantly, unaided mean I have I high Dex, a high is, proficiency and BaB, or skill ranks?
I put a Con of 12 for a 6+ mile run, but what does it mean for those who can run marahons (I swearI saw someone mention that here)? 12 is just above average, but I don't the marathon runner can hold their breath for 3 minutes or so.
Here's a better explanation of what I mean. . .
Int- 17 (Nat Merit scholar, physics degree, 98 %ile on SAT & ACT)I would place this as a 14 Int at most. Very above norm, but 15+ would be reserved for the true suprageniuses. The 1 out of a 100,000 type people. 18 being the absolute highest a normal human can achieve (without some sort of aid). Even then 22 is the
highest without some sort of divine bestowing (1 in a century type thing).
LOL, whatever. I was using the standard deviation approach. If you want to arbitrarily set 14 as the top 2% in intelligence, then you will need to do the same for the other stats, so by that measure an olympic athlete is about 14 or mayybe 15 max in str or dex.
I would place this as a 14 Int at most. Very above norm, but 15+ would be reserved for the true suprageniuses. The 1 out of a 100,000 type people. 18 being the absolute highest a normal human can achieve (without some sort of aid). Even then 22 is the highest without some sort of divine bestowing (1 in a century type thing).
First, the max for a first-level, "normal" starting human is 20, not 18.
Second, the data do not support your position. An IQ of 130 puts one in the 98th percentile. Even excluding racial bonuses, rolling 3d6 would give roughly 2% of the population a 17 or 18 intelligence -- also 98th percentile.
That's what I mean by relative. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that everyone is going to have their own ideas of what the numbers mean. I'm looking at it like AD&D Ftr strength. 14 - 17 mean little, but when you get to 18, you also get the 1-100%. Sort of.
6^3 is objectively 216, so 1 in 216 people will have an 18 in any given stat. You're certainly free to decide an 18 is "The 1 out of a 100,000," but the math doesn't work out that way.
I would think that threads of this nature are fairly useless without a somewhat consistent scale. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure I have a 24 strength. *flexes* ;-)
First, the max for a first-level, "normal" starting human is 20, not 18.
Second, the data do not support your position. An IQ of 130 puts one in the 98th percentile. Even excluding racial bonuses, rolling 3d6 would give roughly 2% of the population a 17 or 18 intelligence -- also 98th percentile.
My understanding is that "normal" humans do not have scores generated by 3d6-- they get standard arrays.
It's only the heroic, out-of-the-ordinary characters that we play that get their stats generated by the more generous methods.
Otherwise, every time your party enters a town with a population of 2000, that town would include at least 10 people with the highest level of intelligence attainable by humanity, and 10 more possessing the greatest strength possible, etc., etc.
If you want to arbitrarily set 14 as the top 2% in intelligence, then you will need to do the same for the other stats, so by that measure an olympic athlete is about 14 or mayybe 15 max in str or dex.
Thankfully, Olympic world records for weightlifting are easy to correlate to the Pathfinder carrying capacity tables. At a glance, Hossein Rezazadeh (Iran) has the current record for the clean and jerk (579.8 lb). That'd put his strength at 23; which seems about right for a human's maximum. He started with a maxed score of 18, added +2 for his human racial bonus, and then added +3 for his three ability score increases for having reached 12th level. =)
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First, the max for a first-level, "normal" starting human is 20, not 18.The original idea was on the d20 system, not the PF system, so humans didn't get the +2 to anything.
What are your ability scores using a standard d20 ability score array?
I feel like you are taking this personally, which was not my intent.
My understanding is that "normal" humans do not have scores generated by 3d6-- they get standard arrays.
It's only the heroic, out-of-the-ordinary characters that we play that get their stats generated by the more generous methods.
Otherwise, every time your party enters a town with a population of 2000, that town would include at least 10 people with the highest level of intelligence attainable by humanity, and 10 more possessing the greatest strength possible, etc., etc.
Fair enough. In that case, my intelligence is definitely a 14 rather than a 16, and I'm a ZERO point character!