The Fiddler's Lament (5E) PDF

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Music hath charms to soothe the savage breast, it's true, but some music truly is the devil's music. An orphan raised by gypsies, now full-grown but still lost and alone, must face once more the tragic curse that destroyed her past. Will her darkling music bring ruin to the village she now calls her home? Can the heroes earn the townsfolk's trust, or must innocence be sacrificed for the heroes to save town from the mysterious hauntings that plague a village huddled in the shadow of an accursed ruin?

This dark fantasy adventure for 1st level characters uses the rules for the 5th edition of the world's most famous roleplaying game and can be played on its own or as part of a horror-themed Adventure Path campaign.

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Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

I must state for the record that any reference to a specific game in the product tags or product groupings for this product has been added for organizational purposes by the online retailer, Paizo Inc. Legendary Games claims no affiliation with any other company and makes no reference to any specific roleplaying game in this product or its product description.

That said, if you were planning to pick up a new edition of a roleplaying game that is probably the best-known brand name in the industry, this adventure should work with it very well. :)


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Jason Nelson wrote:
I must state for the record that any reference to a specific game in the product tags or product groupings for this product has been added for organizational purposes by the online retailer, Paizo Inc. Legendary Games claims no affiliation with any other company and makes no reference to any specific roleplaying game in this product or its product description.

Well, that's hardly true. In your email promoting a sale of your Pathfinder-compatible products on a competing site, Legendary Games says the following:

"The only products not included are the two adventures we are releasing this GenCon for use with the 5th Edition of the world's most famous roleplaying game. There are no dungeons in them, nor dragons, but The Murmuring Fountain (5th Ed) and The Fiddler's Lament (5th Ed) both provide excellent 1st-level adventures with a delightful splash of horror and mystery. Grab your brand-new Basic Set or Player's Handbook and take your new 5th Edition characters for a spin in these darkling fantasy adventures from industry legends Greg Vaughan, Clark Peterson, and Jason Nelson!"

The only thing that was not done was spell out Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition directly, while referring to it as closely as possible, in every which way possible. You are at the very best being disingenuous, if not dishonest or worse.
The product may itself be good (hard to say, particularly as to its compatibility, as only the PHB and some Basic Rules have been released of D&D5E so far), but the promotion leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

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Hi Wackyanne,

What you say is both true and not, because that dividing line in the world of IP is a very important one. You are allowed to hint all you like, but you cannot directly refer to trademarks owned by another company. The terms we have referenced are common-language words that are not specific to any company. There are many 5th editions of things. There are other Player's Handbooks. There are other Basic Sets.

Terms like "D&D" and "DM" and "Dungeon Master" are all trademarked terms that are owned by Wizards of the Coast. That's why you don't see them in Pathfinder products, even though the game is (mostly) backwards compatible with the 3rd Edition of the game.

In this case, the Paizo webstore has tagged our product with the trademark of another company. That's something that we, as the creators of the product can't do, and to avoid the appearance of infringing on a trademark we need to state that.

If it sounds like legalese weasel words... well, that makes two of us, but unfortunately that's the field you play in when you create products that connect to another company's. The same thing is true with our Adventure Path Plug-Ins for Paizo's APs. It doesn't matter that many of our authors are the same ones that worked on the APs. If a Paizo product isn't on the list on the PRD, we can't reference it. We can use rules from it, but we can't mention it by name. We can hint about the "Pirate Adventure Path" or the "Gothic Horror AP" and specific characters, places, and events that you find in them, and we do in a number of ways, but we can't call out any of it by name or refer to it directly.

When you put them together it creates an implied meaning that we intend to be obvious, but we literally CAN'T come right out and say it, and in fact it is in our interest to make a disclaimer to any readers to ensure that not only are we not infringing any trademarks, but that we are not creating a product that is "confusingly similar" to the products of another company.

If we can construct an announcement that clearly conveys the meaning we wish without actually, that's the best we can do to help the gaming public find products that we think will be a lot of fun for them to use with certain game systems or products, but the legalities require us to do this little tap dance.

I certainly regret any sense of dissembling and any bad taste that arose from the product announcements and phrasing and hope the above makes some sense as to why we took the approach we did.

TL;DR - We know what this product would work well with. We assume you can figure it out pretty easily. But, to fulfill the letter of the law we are required to say otherwise, even if it seems silly or disingenuous.

Thanks for your feedback,
Jason

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

SOLD! Now if only the owners of said alleged edition of the worlds ex-most popular RPG (surely on sales and Ennies PFRPG has taken that mantle), the edition number being five, no more, no less. Thou shalt not use Edition Four, except as counting towards edition five....

I digress, if only they sold PDFs too, I would have the full rules to use this product in the desired, tho not quite advertised, way. Instead of waiting another fortnight or more til the physical copies arrive in NZ!

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

Ha, many thanks!

And for what it's worth, I only make the implication that a certain game is the world's most FAMOUS roleplaying game. It still has a brand identity that for a lot of the non-gamer public is virtually synonymous with the entire genre. What's the fastest way to explain your favorite game RPG to someone who doesn't game?

"I play Pathfinder."
"What's that?"
"Well, it's kind of like... "

Most popular, I think we know where Pathfinder ranks on the sales charts and has for a while. :)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

So these have been removed from sale then?

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4; Contributor; Publisher, Legendary Games

Revised and updated version now available!

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