Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Technology Guide (PFRPG)

Well my question is actually about the technology guide, but:

Emerald spire spoilers

Removed some posts and the replies to them. This thread isn't for discussing PFS, gunslingers, or anything but the Technology Guide. Unless it's directly a discussion about this product, take it elsewhere.

That's probably wise, Chris.

I, for one, am ready for our new Iron Overlords.

Will there be an archetype in here for the gunslinger or the alchemist?

Will there be an archetype in here for the gunslinger or the alchemist?

I would love to see new tech-based archetypes for all the classes.

This should help to get my "Star Ocean" campaign rolling along.

I still want the model for that starship. Most beautiful spacecraft I've ever seen.

What alot of people here seem to be forgetting is Pathfinder Society play.

The argument that you don't have to allow it in you homebrew campaign flies out the window. No one can say I don't like the idea of forcefields in PFS, if it's legal for play you will be FORCED to accept it. Which for many will likely kill the experience.

Don't assume that much of this will be seen in Society play. After all we're not seeing flame throwers or the machine guns that popped up in a certain AP there. And don't neccessarily assume that Star Wars is going to be displacing Swords and Sorcery. I suspect that it will be the same thing when Ultimate Combat was integrated... very little of the gun technology was allowed in Society play.

Am I the only one fantasying about possibly making a Galen (from Babylon 5: Crusade) themed Technomancer?

To be in full theme, you'd have to require a focus made from Demonic created technology... crafted in agony from living beings.

i feel like cartman waiting for the wii to come out waiting for this book and iron gods to hit the shelf

i feel like cartman waiting for the wii to come out waiting for this book and iron gods to hit the shelf

If your phone rings and someone claiming to be you tells you not to freeze yourself, you might want to listen.

Will there be an archetype in here for the gunslinger or the alchemist?

I imagine those are too obvious not to include. What I'd like to see is something for a bit of an "out there" archetype. Something like the Radiation Druid or the Ionic Rager.

There are five archetypes in the book—one for fighters, one for clerics, one for rogues, one for barbarians, and one for gunslingers.

Ooh... techno-priests...

Darn I was hoping for a "techno bard";)

Cyber-clerics

Cybe-Cleric of Shelyn - Digital Love

Cybe-Cleric of Shelyn - Digital Love

Until I clicked it, I instead thought was going to be this.

There are five archetypes in the book—one for fighters, one for clerics, one for rogues, one for barbarians, and one for gunslingers.

WOW! Thanks James! Super Excited! :D

There are five archetypes in the book—one for fighters, one for clerics, one for rogues, one for barbarians, and one for gunslingers.

This is truly wonderful news. I hate that I won't get it until the end of August.

It’s one thing to face a dragon armed with a longsword and a suit of magic plate mail, but what if you had an atom gun and powered armor? How many zombies could you blow up with a rocket launcher? What happens if you’re standing next to a graviton reactor when it explodes?

A quote like this terrifies me and the many other fans of classic or high fantasy... if we wanted to play Rifts, we would be.

My 2 cp.

It's pretty simple. If you don't want tech in your fantasy, don't get the books and don't allow it.

For the rest of us that like it, we'll have something to munch on. Simple.

Agreed, just use the "Reeses Solution."

If you don't want our Peanut Butter in your chocolate then don't buy Reeses, buy chocolate bars.

It’s one thing to face a dragon armed with a longsword and a suit of magic plate mail, but what if you had an atom gun and powered armor? How many zombies could you blow up with a rocket launcher? What happens if you’re standing next to a graviton reactor when it explodes?

A quote like this terrifies me and the many other fans of classic or high fantasy... if we wanted to play Rifts, we would be.

My 2 cp.

Except RIFTS has awful rules and a general disregard for making the individual components actually compelling.

Wiggz wrote:

It’s one thing to face a dragon armed with a longsword and a suit of magic plate mail, but what if you had an atom gun and powered armor? How many zombies could you blow up with a rocket launcher? What happens if you’re standing next to a graviton reactor when it explodes?

A quote like this terrifies me and the many other fans of classic or high fantasy... if we wanted to play Rifts, we would be.

My 2 cp.

Except RIFTS has awful rules and a general disregard for making the individual components actually compelling.

Shh, shh, shh! No more talking about classic fantasy vs. Scifi fantasy. Just enjoy. :)

*Stuffs Reese's into Alex Smith 908's mouth.*

It’s one thing to face a dragon armed with a longsword and a suit of magic plate mail, but what if you had an atom gun and powered armor? How many zombies could you blow up with a rocket launcher? What happens if you’re standing next to a graviton reactor when it explodes?

A quote like this terrifies me and the many other fans of classic or high fantasy... if we wanted to play Rifts, we would be.

My 2 cp.

And who said you'd be playing rifts? No one.

On-topic: I'm awfully curious if one of the tech artifacts is a nuclear weapon. That nuclear resonator sounds awfully close to one...

Agreed, just use the "Reeses Solution."

If you don't want our Peanut Butter in your chocolate then don't buy Reeses, buy chocolate bars.

And we're happy to (and plan to) keep selling lots of chocolate bars even though we're adding Reeses to the menu for the folks who like it.

And folks... especially talking bags...

Don't be jerks, please. Some folks won't like the same things you like. That's perfectly fine.

We're doing plenty with Iron Gods and sci-fi at this point... no one needs to worry that we'll suddenly not produce any of it because someone voices an opinion against it. And those who DON'T like it, rest assured that not everything we publish during the 6 months Iron Gods is going on will be sci-fi associated, and after that's over we'll be going back to pretty much straight fantasy again.

The game is big enough for all of us. The industry isn't so big that it doesn't weep when we fight and bicker.

HUGS!!!!

HUGS!!!!

How can a Tyrannosaur hug? They've only got teeny weeny little arms….

p.s.

I'm guessing not much of this book will be made PFS legal…?

James Jacobs wrote:

HUGS!!!!

How can a Tyrannosaur hug? They've only got teeny weeny little arms….

p.s.

I'm guessing not much of this book will be made PFS legal…?

They hug with their jaw.

Gonna agree with the Dino here. Paizo sprinkles the love to various groups one or two at a time. Right now Paizo is making Reeses and when they're done with Reeses they're making milk chocolate bars.

TBH I don't like dark and dreary settings like Ustalov, so I just don't buy said material. I wouldn't enjoy someone making fun of my distaste, so I wouldn't do the same to someone who doesn't enjoy technovikings and giant robots.

And folks... especially talking bags...

Don't be jerks, please. Some folks won't like the same things you like. That's perfectly fine.

We're doing plenty with Iron Gods and sci-fi at this point... no one needs to worry that we'll suddenly not produce any of it because someone voices an opinion against it. And those who DON'T like it, rest assured that not everything we publish during the 6 months Iron Gods is going on will be sci-fi associated, and after that's over we'll be going back to pretty much straight fantasy again.

The game is big enough for all of us. The industry isn't so big that it doesn't weep when we fight and bicker.

HUGS!!!!

My only wish is that you guys don't abruptly leave Numeria for like a whole year after Iron Gods. I know you said that future products involving sci-fi stuff being chugged along is at least partially dependent on how well Iron Gods and it's supplements sell, but I'd be bummed if y'all returned to the pre-Iron Gods announcement stance on publishing as little as one can on Numeria-related stuff :(

And folks... especially talking bags...

Don't be jerks, please. Some folks won't like the same things you like. That's perfectly fine.

We're doing plenty with Iron Gods and sci-fi at this point... no one needs to worry that we'll suddenly not produce any of it because someone voices an opinion against it. And those who DON'T like it, rest assured that not everything we publish during the 6 months Iron Gods is going on will be sci-fi associated, and after that's over we'll be going back to pretty much straight fantasy again.

The game is big enough for all of us. The industry isn't so big that it doesn't weep when we fight and bicker.

HUGS!!!!

Having people constantly pop up and tell you that you're a Not True Fantasy Fan because you enjoy something else than knights and princesses can sometimes get tiresome. Especially if you've been organising fan conventions since the dark times of 90s and you're really trying hard to accommodate every degree of fandom, from people who pick apart every word penned by Tolkien to furry anime fans.

And the constant defensive "it's OK, Iron Gods is just a phase, then we're back to your beloved traditionalist giants and orcs stuff" from Paizo staff doesn't help much.

Traditionalists can literally choke themselves on the urzillion FR/Greyhawk/Dragonlance material out there. Really, is it that hard to see that some things have been done to death and some fresh air is needed badly in our hopelessly conservative hobby? Paizo is doing just that - skimming genre boundaries and treating long neglected topics such as the existence of non-heteresexual people with respect, and in the end we have all those fandom neo-cons yelling that the world is falling apart.

Blergh.

Having people constantly pop up and tell you that you're a Not True Fantasy Fan because you enjoy something else than knights and princesses can sometimes get tiresome.

Other customers are just giving feedback to Paizo about their preferences and/or seeking reassurance that they are not permanently changing their focus. Its not about you.

Gorbacz wrote:

Having people constantly pop up and tell you that you're a Not True Fantasy Fan because you enjoy something else than knights and princesses can sometimes get tiresome.

Other customers are just giving feedback to Paizo about their preferences and/or seeking reassurance that they are not permanently changing their focus. Its not about you.

Cool. Can that feedback be more "Hey guys, I'm really not into sci-fi!" and less "You betrayed us, True Fans of Fantasy?". Thank you.

Ultimately the most important feedback will be how we vote with our dollars.

*eyes all the campaign setting books for Iron Gods in my shopping cart*

Oh you can be sure I'm voting with my dollar....as soon as the AP subscription discount for Iron Gods kicks in! Never have I actually been excited enough to subscribe for an AP before, until I found out about and subsequently researched Iron Gods.

Jeven wrote:

Gorbacz wrote:

Having people constantly pop up and tell you that you're a Not True Fantasy Fan because you enjoy something else than knights and princesses can sometimes get tiresome.

Other customers are just giving feedback to Paizo about their preferences and/or seeking reassurance that they are not permanently changing their focus. Its not about you.

Cool. Can that feedback be more "Hey guys, I'm really not into sci-fi!" and less "You betrayed us, True Fans of Fantasy?". Thank you.

Interesting - you'll have to show me exactly where you got that "quote". I know you wouldn't be putting words into other people's mouths just to reinforce a weak position...

By all appearances, there are a lot of people looking forward to this AP and its attendant supplements. That's fine, I'm never going to tell someone how they should have fun or what they should enjoy. What I am going to do is tell Paizo how I and others like me feel, something I consider important as a member of this community even if my opinion happens to be in the minority.

Ultimately the most important feedback will be how we vote with our dollars.

*eyes all the campaign setting books for Iron Gods in my shopping cart*

Oh you can be sure I'm voting with my dollar....as soon as the AP subscription discount for Iron Gods kicks in! Never have I actually been excited enough to subscribe for an AP before, until I found out about and subsequently researched Iron Gods.

I will be doing the same. I plan on canceling my subscriptions for the duration of Iron Gods and using that money to buy the new Rise of the Drow products instead or maybe continue my quest to complete the AP's I've missed out on in the past, but I fully intend to return with the arrival of Giantslayer. Paizo has more than earned my loyalty and respect as a customer, but that doesn't mean I have to buy into everything they do.

I'm with the Bag, here. Of course, this is just case of Pan-Slavic solidarity. If you leave us alone for a while, we'll start a war between ourselves, cause that's how we roll :)

All joking aside, if you look at current trends in high fantasy, you'll see that Paizo follows them pretty closely. For instance, check out Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson. It's basically high fantasy with power armors and huge light-saber (not quite but similar) swords. And you'd be hard pressed to find more popular writer of fantasy amongst the current crop of authors.

I'm with the Bag, here. Of course, this is just case of Pan-Slavic solidarity. If you leave us alone for a while, we'll start a war between ourselves, cause that's how we roll :)

All joking aside, if you look at current trends in high fantasy, you'll see that Paizo follows them pretty closely. For instance, check out Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson. It's basically high fantasy with power armors and huge light-saber (not quite but similar) swords. And you'd be hard pressed to find more popular writer of fantasy amongst the current crop of authors.

Sanderson is my favorite author and I've read pretty much everything he's ever written. I think Way of Kings will be a superb epic, one of the all-time greats for sure... but if a Way of Kings RPG came out, I wouldn't have any desire to play it any more than I would a Wild West version of Mistborn.