paizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG) Discussionpaizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG) Discussion2023-12-29T20:10:57Z2023-12-29T20:10:57ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)The Raven Blackhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#872022-01-27T19:04:22Z2022-01-27T18:54:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bardess wrote:</div><blockquote><p> That is why I am uncertain about it.
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But also, one of the class’ bonus feats is Undead Master. </blockquote><p>I have really no uncertainty here and Undead Master does not require the Command Undead feat AFAIK.
<p>Now, a Soul Warden might have Negative energy channeling from another source.</p>Bardess wrote:That is why I am uncertain about it.
But also, one of the class’ bonus feats is Undead Master.
I have really no uncertainty here and Undead Master does not require the Command Undead feat AFAIK. Now, a Soul Warden might have Negative energy channeling from another source.The Raven Black2022-01-27T18:54:59ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Bardesshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#862022-01-27T19:04:22Z2022-01-27T09:55:47Z<p>That is why I am uncertain about it.
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But also, one of the class’ bonus feats is Undead Master.</p>That is why I am uncertain about it.
But also, one of the class’ bonus feats is Undead Master.Bardess2022-01-27T09:55:47ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)The Raven Blackhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#852022-01-27T08:31:43Z2022-01-27T08:31:43Z<p>It does not say "counts as channel negative energy" either. So it does not fulfill the prerequisite of the Command undead feat.</p>
<p>So, not RAI but also not RAW AFAICT.</p>It does not say "counts as channel negative energy" either. So it does not fulfill the prerequisite of the Command undead feat.
So, not RAI but also not RAW AFAICT.The Raven Black2022-01-27T08:31:43ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Bardesshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#842022-01-27T19:04:19Z2022-01-27T06:56:41Z<p>Yes, but</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Undead Slayer’s Handbook wrote:</div><blockquote> This ability functions exactly like a cleric’s ability to <b>channel positive energy</b> to deal damage to undead (but not to heal living creatures), and <b>counts as channel energy</b> for the purposes of qualifying for feats or determining effects that rely on channel energy.</blockquote><p>Here’s the trick: it doesn’t say “counts as channel POSITIVE energy”.Yes, but
Undead Slayer’s Handbook wrote:This ability functions exactly like a cleric’s ability to channel positive energy to deal damage to undead (but not to heal living creatures), and counts as channel energy for the purposes of qualifying for feats or determining effects that rely on channel energy.
Here’s the trick: it doesn’t say “counts as channel POSITIVE energy”.Bardess2022-01-27T06:56:41ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)The Raven Blackhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#832022-01-26T21:19:38Z2022-01-26T17:42:13Z<p>I would say no because Channel damage functions as Channel positive energy whereas Command Undead specifically requires channelling negative energy.</p>I would say no because Channel damage functions as Channel positive energy whereas Command Undead specifically requires channelling negative energy.The Raven Black2022-01-26T17:42:13ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Aaron Shankshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#822022-01-27T06:57:25Z2022-01-26T16:39:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bardess wrote:</div><blockquote> I may never know if the Soul Warden may take the Command Undead feat, or not. I already made this question in other threads and opinions were different. I hoped to hear a definitive answer here… </blockquote><p>Who would you need to give you a definite answer? None of the original writers work for Paizo anymore our Design team is writing another edition. It may be best for you to try it and have fun. Good Gaming. :)Bardess wrote:I may never know if the Soul Warden may take the Command Undead feat, or not. I already made this question in other threads and opinions were different. I hoped to hear a definitive answer here…
Who would you need to give you a definite answer? None of the original writers work for Paizo anymore our Design team is writing another edition. It may be best for you to try it and have fun. Good Gaming. :)Aaron Shanks2022-01-26T16:39:42ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Bardesshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#812022-01-26T15:29:18Z2022-01-26T14:04:27Z<p>I may never know if the Soul Warden may take the Command Undead feat, or not. I already made this question in other threads and opinions were different. I hoped to hear a definitive answer here…</p>I may never know if the Soul Warden may take the Command Undead feat, or not. I already made this question in other threads and opinions were different. I hoped to hear a definitive answer here…Bardess2022-01-26T14:04:27ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Phformianhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#802022-01-26T15:29:19Z2017-02-23T18:21:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:</div><blockquote> Clearly •something• is off. I'll see if I can figure out which is off, and what it ought to be. </blockquote><p>I don't suppose you ever did figure out what the Soul Warden's Fort save should be, eh? It <i>looks</i> like the author meant for it to be high, like the will save, but copied the BAB column by accident.
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>(I apologize for this most ironic necromancy, haha)</span></p>Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:Clearly *something* is off. I'll see if I can figure out which is off, and what it ought to be.
I don't suppose you ever did figure out what the Soul Warden's Fort save should be, eh? It looks like the author meant for it to be high, like the will save, but copied the BAB column by accident. (I apologize for this most ironic necromancy, haha)Phformian2017-02-23T18:21:29ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Owen K. C. Stephenshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#792015-06-22T01:05:11Z2015-06-22T01:05:11Z<p>Clearly •something• is off. I'll see if I can figure out which is off, and what it ought to be.</p>Clearly *something* is off. I'll see if I can figure out which is off, and what it ought to be.Owen K. C. Stephens2015-06-22T01:05:11ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Bardesshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#782015-06-21T14:24:18Z2015-06-21T14:24:18Z<p>Thanks, but I still think that there must be some mistake in the source itself. A 0/1/1/2/2/3/3/4/4/5 progression doesn't seem right for the Fort save. Am I wrong?</p>Thanks, but I still think that there must be some mistake in the source itself. A 0/1/1/2/2/3/3/4/4/5 progression doesn't seem right for the Fort save. Am I wrong?Bardess2015-06-21T14:24:18ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)d20pfsrd.com (alias of jreyst)https://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#772015-06-21T13:37:40Z2015-06-21T13:37:40Z<p>@Bardess: I've double-checked the source material and the saving throws on d20pfsrd.com were incorrect. I've fixed them now. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/soul-warden" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/soul-warde n</a></p>
<p>For future reference, if you notice a possible error or discrepency please feel free to use the <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/trouble" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Report a Problem link</a> in the sidebar navigation menu on d20pfsrd.com and I'll check it out asap.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/trouble" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.d20pfsrd.com/trouble</a></p>@Bardess: I've double-checked the source material and the saving throws on d20pfsrd.com were incorrect. I've fixed them now.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/soul-warde n
For future reference, if you notice a possible error or discrepency please feel free to use the Report a Problem link in the sidebar navigation menu on d20pfsrd.com and I'll check it out asap.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/troubled20pfsrd.com (alias of jreyst)2015-06-21T13:37:40ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Bardesshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#762015-06-20T15:05:37Z2015-06-20T15:05:37Z<p>Are the Soul Warden's saving throws GPG as in <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/soul-warden" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">d20pfsrd.com</a>, or PPG as in <a href="http://www.archivesofnethys.com/PrestigeClassesDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Soul%20Warden" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Archives of Nethys</a>? The only thing sure is that they seem wrong as written in the book.</p>Are the Soul Warden's saving throws GPG as in d20pfsrd.com, or PPG as in Archives of Nethys? The only thing sure is that they seem wrong as written in the book.Bardess2015-06-20T15:05:37ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Bellonahttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#752015-03-10T23:45:08Z2015-03-10T23:45:08Z<p>Thank you for the explanation/answer! :)</p>Thank you for the explanation/answer! :)Bellona2015-03-10T23:45:08ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Owen K. C. Stephenshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#742015-03-10T19:52:00Z2015-03-10T19:52:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bellona wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Zaister wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Whatever happened to the traits "Forestall the Wicked", "Haunt Breaker", and "Preternatural Awareness"? They are listed in the index on page 3, indicated to be on the center double page spread, but there is no trace of them there.
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</blockquote><p>The "Arcane Sleuth" trait is also missing, and is also supposed to be on the centre spread.
<p>Seriously, has no one from Paizo responded to this? </blockquote><p>Hey folks! I didn't notice those questions when I took over the Player Companion line, so they didn't get any attention until just now.
<p>It's not unusual in a book like this to be deciding what stays and what goes quite near the end of editing and layout, especially on something like the center spread (where we don't really know how much room we have until the text and art get combined). We also sometimes discover a flaw with a trait, or that it comes close to duplicating something we've already done.</p>
<p>Since I wasn't the developer for this book, I can't say which of these things happened, but pretty clearly the traits were removed from the spread, but not taken off the index. That's unfortunate, but it does happen occasionally. When we cut things just for space, we keep them to see if they are appropriate to be used somewhere else down the road. When we cut them because they duplicate something else, we generally leave them cut. When we cut them for a rules issue, we may or may not try to fix the issue and product it elsewhere.</p>
<p>In any case, they aren't things we meant to include and didn't - they are things we removed and meant to remove all mention of, but missed one.</p>Bellona wrote:Zaister wrote:Whatever happened to the traits "Forestall the Wicked", "Haunt Breaker", and "Preternatural Awareness"? They are listed in the index on page 3, indicated to be on the center double page spread, but there is no trace of them there.
The "Arcane Sleuth" trait is also missing, and is also supposed to be on the centre spread. Seriously, has no one from Paizo responded to this? Hey folks! I didn't notice those questions when I took over the Player Companion line, so...Owen K. C. Stephens2015-03-10T19:52:00ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Bellonahttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#732015-03-09T13:30:11Z2015-03-09T13:30:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zaister wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Whatever happened to the traits "Forestall the Wicked", "Haunt Breaker", and "Preternatural Awareness"? They are listed in the index on page 3, indicated to be on the center double page spread, but there is no trace of them there.
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</blockquote><p>The "Arcane Sleuth" trait is also missing, and is also supposed to be on the centre spread.
<p>Seriously, has no one from Paizo responded to this?</p>Zaister wrote:Whatever happened to the traits "Forestall the Wicked", "Haunt Breaker", and "Preternatural Awareness"? They are listed in the index on page 3, indicated to be on the center double page spread, but there is no trace of them there.
The "Arcane Sleuth" trait is also missing, and is also supposed to be on the centre spread. Seriously, has no one from Paizo responded to this?Bellona2015-03-09T13:30:11ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)doc the greyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#722014-05-12T18:25:13Z2014-05-12T18:25:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Putnam wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">doc the grey wrote:</div><blockquote> I think there is an error in the axe of forced life. As it stands it removes DR/piercing but not DR/slashing, a far more common dr for undead. Anyone from the writing team want to weigh in on that? </blockquote>If I recall correctly, it's intentional. Note the type of damage an <b>axe</b> deals. :) </blockquote><p>lol you are correct. Zoned out and forgot about it. That being said though reducing slashing DR would still probably be more useful than piercing dr drop considering that the DR is reduced for everyone and how few undead actually have DR/piercing.
<p>Come to think of it, does anyone know of undead with DR/piercing?</p>Alex Putnam wrote:doc the grey wrote: I think there is an error in the axe of forced life. As it stands it removes DR/piercing but not DR/slashing, a far more common dr for undead. Anyone from the writing team want to weigh in on that?
If I recall correctly, it's intentional. Note the type of damage an axe deals. :) lol you are correct. Zoned out and forgot about it. That being said though reducing slashing DR would still probably be more useful than piercing dr drop considering that the DR...doc the grey2014-05-12T18:25:13ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Zaisterhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#712014-05-12T18:00:35Z2014-05-12T18:00:35Z<p>Whatever happened to the traits "Forestall the Wicked", "Haunt Breaker", and "Preternatural Awareness"? They are listed in the index on page 3, indicated to be on the center double page spread, but there is no trace of them there.</p>Whatever happened to the traits "Forestall the Wicked", "Haunt Breaker", and "Preternatural Awareness"? They are listed in the index on page 3, indicated to be on the center double page spread, but there is no trace of them there.Zaister2014-05-12T18:00:35ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Bardesshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#702014-05-11T14:36:24Z2014-05-11T14:36:24Z<p>Can a Soul Warden take the Command Undead feat? Since he channels positive energy, that shouldn't be possibile, but he does have Undead control powers, and the text says that the ability qualifies for all feats or effects related to channel energy (not positive energy only).</p>Can a Soul Warden take the Command Undead feat? Since he channels positive energy, that shouldn't be possibile, but he does have Undead control powers, and the text says that the ability qualifies for all feats or effects related to channel energy (not positive energy only).Bardess2014-05-11T14:36:24ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Alex Putnamhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#692014-05-11T02:29:40Z2014-05-11T01:44:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">doc the grey wrote:</div><blockquote> I think there is an error in the axe of forced life. As it stands it removes DR/piercing but not DR/slashing, a far more common dr for undead. Anyone from the writing team want to weigh in on that? </blockquote><p>If I recall correctly, it's intentional. Note the type of damage an <b>axe</b> deals. :)doc the grey wrote:I think there is an error in the axe of forced life. As it stands it removes DR/piercing but not DR/slashing, a far more common dr for undead. Anyone from the writing team want to weigh in on that?
If I recall correctly, it's intentional. Note the type of damage an axe deals. :)Alex Putnam2014-05-11T01:44:54ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)doc the greyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#682014-05-11T01:35:10Z2014-05-11T01:35:10Z<p>I think there is an error in the axe of forced life. As it stands it removes DR/piercing but not DR/slashing, a far more common dr for undead. Anyone from the writing team want to weigh in on that?</p>I think there is an error in the axe of forced life. As it stands it removes DR/piercing but not DR/slashing, a far more common dr for undead. Anyone from the writing team want to weigh in on that?doc the grey2014-05-11T01:35:10ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Shin Bilirubinhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#672014-05-09T20:41:15Z2014-05-09T20:41:15Z<p>Ah, I see. That makes a lot more sense, I was reading it a bit differently, thanks.</p>Ah, I see. That makes a lot more sense, I was reading it a bit differently, thanks.Shin Bilirubin2014-05-09T20:41:15ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)poiuyt (alias of Void Munchkin)https://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#662014-05-09T20:33:57Z2014-05-09T20:33:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shin Bilirubin wrote:</div><blockquote> But what about the line about not being able to "exceed his maximum number of uses of channel damage per day."? </blockquote><p>You can recharge, but not go over...
<p>Say your max is 7, you could recharge up to 7, but can't go above that number (kind of an opposite of Temporary Hit Points)</p>Shin Bilirubin wrote:But what about the line about not being able to "exceed his maximum number of uses of channel damage per day."?
You can recharge, but not go over... Say your max is 7, you could recharge up to 7, but can't go above that number (kind of an opposite of Temporary Hit Points)poiuyt (alias of Void Munchkin)2014-05-09T20:33:57ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)donato (Contributor) (alias of Luis Loza, Rule and Lore Creative Director)https://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#652018-03-27T00:54:15Z2014-05-09T20:33:18Z<p>If you have a soul warden who can channel four times per day, he can't recover enough channels to put him above the maximum of four per day. He can keep getting channels back, but can't hold onto more than four at a time. So, if your first channel of the day destroys three creatures, you will have four uses available, even though you recovered three uses.</p>If you have a soul warden who can channel four times per day, he can't recover enough channels to put him above the maximum of four per day. He can keep getting channels back, but can't hold onto more than four at a time. So, if your first channel of the day destroys three creatures, you will have four uses available, even though you recovered three uses.donato (Contributor) (alias of Luis Loza, Rule and Lore Creative Director)2014-05-09T20:33:18ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)Shin Bilirubinhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#642014-05-09T20:03:09Z2014-05-09T20:03:09Z<p>But what about the line about not being able to "exceed his maximum number of uses of channel damage per day."?</p>But what about the line about not being able to "exceed his maximum number of uses of channel damage per day."?Shin Bilirubin2014-05-09T20:03:09ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Undead Slayer’s Handbook (PFRPG)David Neilsonhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy94vx/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Undead-Slayer-s-Handbook#632014-05-09T19:49:19Z2014-05-09T19:49:19Z<p>Well simple. If you destroy an horde of place holder undead you instantly get back the channel. So you can theoretically crush skeletal armies.</p>Well simple. If you destroy an horde of place holder undead you instantly get back the channel. So you can theoretically crush skeletal armies.David Neilson2014-05-09T19:49:19Z