paizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG) Discussionpaizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG) Discussion2023-12-29T11:40:57Z2023-12-29T11:40:57ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Donkey Shothttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1722016-02-21T09:03:04Z2016-02-21T09:03:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">John Compton wrote:</div><blockquote> I would require the PC to improve the craftsperson's disposition/discount to at least the second best level. Then I would have the PC spend about half the cost of adding the enhancement as a training fee. </blockquote><p>Thanks for your help!John Compton wrote:I would require the PC to improve the craftsperson's disposition/discount to at least the second best level. Then I would have the PC spend about half the cost of adding the enhancement as a training fee.
Thanks for your help!Donkey Shot2016-02-21T09:03:04ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Donkey Shothttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1712016-02-21T09:00:45Z2016-02-21T09:00:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Slithery D wrote:</div><blockquote> There are no rules for knowing how to add a particular enchantment with crafting. </blockquote><p>There are also no rules to teach feats, magus arcana or inquisitions, yet this is what some of the sellers in this book do.
<p>And since they are sellers, I assume they sell their knowledge. Sadly, no price is defined.</p>Slithery D wrote:There are no rules for knowing how to add a particular enchantment with crafting.
There are also no rules to teach feats, magus arcana or inquisitions, yet this is what some of the sellers in this book do. And since they are sellers, I assume they sell their knowledge. Sadly, no price is defined.Donkey Shot2016-02-21T09:00:45ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)John Compton (Starfinder Senior Developer)https://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1702016-02-20T18:49:04Z2016-02-20T18:49:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Donkey Shot wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Some of the shops detailed in this book sells new weapon special abilities.</p>
<p>What if a PC asks one of the sellers to teach them how to use one of these weapon special abilities with their own item creation feat? Which would be the price? </blockquote><p>Interesting question! Since the special enhancements represent trade secrets of the craftsperson, I would require the PC to improve the craftsperson's disposition/discount to at least the second best level. Then I would have the PC spend about half the cost of adding the enhancement as a training fee. That would translate to the first weapon enhanced costing about the same as if the PC had just purchased it, but from then on, he could make them at the discounted cost.
<p>That said, the cost of a +1 enhancement varies based on the base weapon, so it requires a little judgment on the GM's end to determine a fair price. Perhaps base it off purchasing the enhancement on a +1 weapon.</p>Donkey Shot wrote:Some of the shops detailed in this book sells new weapon special abilities.
What if a PC asks one of the sellers to teach them how to use one of these weapon special abilities with their own item creation feat? Which would be the price?
Interesting question! Since the special enhancements represent trade secrets of the craftsperson, I would require the PC to improve the craftsperson's disposition/discount to at least the second best level. Then I would have the PC spend...John Compton (Starfinder Senior Developer)2016-02-20T18:49:04ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Slithery Dhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1692016-02-20T17:23:30Z2016-02-20T17:23:30Z<p>There are no rules for knowing how to add a particular enchantment with crafting. If you meet the prerequisites (or take the +5 DC for missing components) and you know it exists you can make it. Anything else is DM fiat.</p>There are no rules for knowing how to add a particular enchantment with crafting. If you meet the prerequisites (or take the +5 DC for missing components) and you know it exists you can make it. Anything else is DM fiat.Slithery D2016-02-20T17:23:30ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Donkey Shothttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1682016-02-20T14:40:42Z2016-02-20T14:40:42Z<p>Some of the shops detailed in this book sells new weapon special abilities.</p>
<p>What if a PC asks one of the sellers to teach them how to use one of these weapon special abilities with their own item creation feat? Which would be the price?</p>Some of the shops detailed in this book sells new weapon special abilities.
What if a PC asks one of the sellers to teach them how to use one of these weapon special abilities with their own item creation feat? Which would be the price?Donkey Shot2016-02-20T14:40:42ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Bellonahttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1672015-01-12T18:30:15Z2015-01-12T18:30:15Z<p>Can anyone who has this sourcebook please tell me if there is a Magnimarian magic shop detailed in it?</p>Can anyone who has this sourcebook please tell me if there is a Magnimarian magic shop detailed in it?Bellona2015-01-12T18:30:15ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)CalebTGordan (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32)https://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1662014-02-19T18:14:10Z2014-02-19T18:14:10Z<p>Also, will we see anything similar to this in the future from Paizo? It does have some rough edges that could be worked out, but something more geared towards GM in the Setting line would get my money.</p>Also, will we see anything similar to this in the future from Paizo? It does have some rough edges that could be worked out, but something more geared towards GM in the Setting line would get my money.CalebTGordan (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32)2014-02-19T18:14:10ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)CalebTGordan (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32)https://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1652014-02-14T23:19:41Z2014-02-14T23:19:41Z<p>Question:</p>
<p>I really like this book and what it does. Some of you may know that I did a Witch Market discussion here along a similar if not much shorter format.</p>
<p>I am wondering if I may use either the bartering system or an expansion of it in a 3pp book I am going to be working on in the future. Is that a rule system that is open for such a project? How can I tell and find out if in the future I find other systems that I want to use?</p>Question:
I really like this book and what it does. Some of you may know that I did a Witch Market discussion here along a similar if not much shorter format.
I am wondering if I may use either the bartering system or an expansion of it in a 3pp book I am going to be working on in the future. Is that a rule system that is open for such a project? How can I tell and find out if in the future I find other systems that I want to use?CalebTGordan (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32)2014-02-14T23:19:41ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Thomas LeBlanc (RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32)https://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1642014-01-31T04:16:45Z2014-01-31T04:16:45Z<p>The art for the Laughing Sword seems a bit disjointed when compared to the rest of the book.</p>The art for the Laughing Sword seems a bit disjointed when compared to the rest of the book.Thomas LeBlanc (RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32)2014-01-31T04:16:45ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Nicoshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1632014-01-25T02:11:10Z2014-01-25T02:11:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cheapy wrote:</div><blockquote> It's not so much "covering an achille's heel" as it is almost completely removing one of the intentional balancing factors for a wide variety of classes. </blockquote><p>Umbalancing factor.Cheapy wrote:It's not so much "covering an achille's heel" as it is almost completely removing one of the intentional balancing factors for a wide variety of classes.
Umbalancing factor.Nicos2014-01-25T02:11:10ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Alleranhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1622014-01-13T03:02:06Z2014-01-13T03:02:06Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cheapy wrote:</div><blockquote> It's not so much "covering an achille's heel" as it is almost completely removing one of the intentional balancing factors for a wide variety of classes. </blockquote><p>Not the monk. He's off crying in the corner again.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alexander Augunas wrote:</div><blockquote>In addition, most GMs are somewhat apprehensive of brainwashing the party, so I actually see this ability as being a stronger option for a boss monster with the PCs likely selling the item if they manage to defeat the villain.</blockquote><p>I can't see a party fighter wanting to sell the armour, to be honest. Resistances/immunities like that don't come along too often.
<p>It does render any PC Enchanter wizard/sorcerers/whatever much less useful offensively against such individuals. Which is a problem if they're geared towards offensive-based enchantment magic, since if they're a wizard then they'll have to come back another day, and if they're a sorcerer, well, they're SOL. Perhaps the armour is intended to work similarly to Protection from Alignment spells, but then, those can be dispelled by an opponent.</p>
<p>I dislike that enchantment is so often an "all or nothing" approach, but that's a conversation for another topic, I think.</p>Cheapy wrote:It's not so much "covering an achille's heel" as it is almost completely removing one of the intentional balancing factors for a wide variety of classes.
Not the monk. He's off crying in the corner again. Alexander Augunas wrote:In addition, most GMs are somewhat apprehensive of brainwashing the party, so I actually see this ability as being a stronger option for a boss monster with the PCs likely selling the item if they manage to defeat the villain.
I can't see a party...Alleran2014-01-13T03:02:06ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Cheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1612014-01-12T21:36:24Z2014-01-12T21:36:24Z<p>It's not so much "covering an achille's heel" as it is almost completely removing one of the intentional balancing factors for a wide variety of classes.</p>It's not so much "covering an achille's heel" as it is almost completely removing one of the intentional balancing factors for a wide variety of classes.Cheapy2014-01-12T21:36:24ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Alexander Augunas (Contributor)https://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1602017-01-17T21:19:12Z2014-01-12T20:10:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Hayato Ken wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So, while the book overall is written very nicely, i have some questions regarding two items and their balance. Namely the mind-buttressing armor enhancement and the sniping weapon enhancement.</p>
<p>Mind-buttressing seems a littble bit too powerful for me and an excuse for a lot of players to drop their WIS scores and willsaves even further, because for a mere 9000-10000gp you can become totally immune to enchantment spells.</blockquote><p>Note the Will save bonus is a resistance bonus, so it does not stack with <i>cloaks of protection</i>. A cloak of resistance +2, which applies a bonus on all saving throws, is 9,000 gp. So, does is the armor ability worth a +2 bonus to Fortitude and Reflex saves? While charms and compulsions make up a large portion of the enchantment school, note that A) most Dex-based characters cannot benefit from this ability, as it requires medium or heavy armor only and B) enchantment is just as well-known for its buffs as its charms and compulsions. In addition, most GMs are somewhat apprehensive of brainwashing the party, so I actually see this ability as being a stronger option for a boss monster with the PCs likely selling the item if they manage to defeat the villain. Its certainly a good ability, but compared to the standard option (the cloak) I just don't see this as being broken.
<p>Also, as Gorbacz points out, the armor doesn't make you immune to ALL enchantment effects; just the ones that basically end the fun for you. The mind controls and the dominates and so on. You can still use all of the wonderfully nasty debuffs like <i>crushing despair</i>, for example. There are a lot of great emotion-based debuffs that still work wonders against your armored buddy.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote><p>The sniping weapon enhancement on the other side is also +2, coming in for 18000-19000, let´s you make sneak attack at 45 feet, but doesn´t stack with anything, not even class features or feats it seems.
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That seems very off to me.</blockquote><p>For one, its letting you gain a rogue talent without needing to pick it. That's good. Also, things that improve ranged sneak attacking at all are so gosh-darn rare, its hard to call anything about this ability "off."Hayato Ken wrote:So, while the book overall is written very nicely, i have some questions regarding two items and their balance. Namely the mind-buttressing armor enhancement and the sniping weapon enhancement.
Mind-buttressing seems a littble bit too powerful for me and an excuse for a lot of players to drop their WIS scores and willsaves even further, because for a mere 9000-10000gp you can become totally immune to enchantment spells.
Note the Will save bonus is a resistance bonus, so it...Alexander Augunas (Contributor)2014-01-12T20:10:37ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Alexander Augunas (Contributor)https://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1592017-01-17T21:19:12Z2014-01-12T19:59:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ashram wrote:</div><blockquote>I'm on the fence about this one as well, Remove Curse seems rather odd for an item that thematically is supposed to purge the body. If Remove Curse was actually Remove Disease, I'd have no problem with it. </blockquote><p>Read the Advanced Race Guide, specifically the human entry. There are about two or three nasty curse spells that are specifically nautical-themed. They go with the buccaneer gunslinger archetype.
<p>More likely then not, that's probably why the item (which is sold by a former human pirate captain) removes curses.</p>Ashram wrote:I'm on the fence about this one as well, Remove Curse seems rather odd for an item that thematically is supposed to purge the body. If Remove Curse was actually Remove Disease, I'd have no problem with it.
Read the Advanced Race Guide, specifically the human entry. There are about two or three nasty curse spells that are specifically nautical-themed. They go with the buccaneer gunslinger archetype. More likely then not, that's probably why the item (which is sold by a former...Alexander Augunas (Contributor)2014-01-12T19:59:50ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Hayato Kenhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1582014-01-12T18:08:20Z2014-01-12T18:08:20Z<p>I see a difference there between class features and armor enhancements.</p>I see a difference there between class features and armor enhancements.Hayato Ken2014-01-12T18:08:20ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Gorbaczhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1572014-01-12T17:21:09Z2014-01-12T17:21:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Hayato Ken wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Gorbacz did you actually read the text there or are you just like that?
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The armor enhancement doesn´t help, it makes outright immune to all spells of the enchantment school, doesn´t matter the alignment of the caster.</p>
<p>Items like this have a severe impact on scenario and adventure writing, because the authors have of course to look at such items, and this one will probably become the standard thing to go to for a lot of builds an classes i guess. Just taking out a whole magic school completely is really bad. Giving a bonus to saves is a different thing than complete immunity. </blockquote><p>Paladins are immune to fear, disease level 3 on and charm from level 8 on. Monks get immunities to disease and poison. I'm not even touching the topic of people being able to make "immunity to X" items if the GM and their PC's pockets allow. I'm not seeing you around complaining that it breaks the game and forces adventure writers to stand on their heads. So, why now?
<p>Yes, I've read it. No, I don't think it's unbalanced. Being immune to some (not all, read the item) enchantment effects is not something an adventure writer should be worried about, because you can't assume things about PCs apart from things like "low level characters usually can't fly" or "murder mysteries mus take speak with dead and blood biography into the account". And even those assumptions can fly out of the window is the party has a strix PC, cheap pun intended. I can't imagine any adventure/encounter that would suddenly become unplayable because a PC can't be charmed or hit with hold person.</p>
<p>On the other hand it's one of the few really "oooh, cool" armor enchantments I've ever happened across. So, no big one.</p>Hayato Ken wrote:Gorbacz did you actually read the text there or are you just like that?
The armor enhancement doesn´t help, it makes outright immune to all spells of the enchantment school, doesn´t matter the alignment of the caster.Items like this have a severe impact on scenario and adventure writing, because the authors have of course to look at such items, and this one will probably become the standard thing to go to for a lot of builds an classes i guess. Just taking out a whole magic...Gorbacz2014-01-12T17:21:09ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)DM Beckett (alias of Beckett)https://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1562014-01-12T17:04:28Z2014-01-12T17:04:28Z<p>I'm thinking they intend it to work like Protection from _____, where it only applies to spells and effects that directly override your mind, but it does not specify in the item, so may or may not be the case.</p>
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<p>It also does not specify if it works on all alignments or just one, (chosen at the time of creation).</p>
<p>It's also a little unclear if [Spoiler omitted] means that the suppressed effects kick back in as soon as you remove the armor, or if their original duration applies from the start. Does it work like Protection From ______, or do you automatically get hit with the Charm Person you had cast on you a few hours ago when you take off your armor to go to sleep, and the duration starts then?</p>I'm thinking they intend it to work like Protection from _____, where it only applies to spells and effects that directly override your mind, but it does not specify in the item, so may or may not be the case.
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It also does not specify if it works on all alignments or just one, (chosen at the time of creation).
It's also a little unclear if [Spoiler omitted] means that the suppressed effects kick back in as soon as you remove the armor, or if their original duration applies from the...DM Beckett (alias of Beckett)2014-01-12T17:04:28ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Hayato Kenhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1552014-01-12T16:57:22Z2014-01-12T16:57:22Z<p>Gorbacz did you actually read the text there or are you just like that?
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The armor enhancement doesn´t help, it makes outright immune to all spells of the enchantment school, doesn´t matter the alignment of the caster.</p>
<p>Items like this have a severe impact on scenario and adventure writing, because the authors have of course to look at such items, and this one will probably become the standard thing to go to for a lot of builds an classes i guess. Just taking out a whole magic school completely is really bad. Giving a bonus to saves is a different thing than complete immunity.</p>Gorbacz did you actually read the text there or are you just like that?
The armor enhancement doesn´t help, it makes outright immune to all spells of the enchantment school, doesn´t matter the alignment of the caster.
Items like this have a severe impact on scenario and adventure writing, because the authors have of course to look at such items, and this one will probably become the standard thing to go to for a lot of builds an classes i guess. Just taking out a whole magic school...Hayato Ken2014-01-12T16:57:22ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Odraudehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1542014-01-12T16:50:01Z2014-01-12T16:50:01Z<p>I like the items in the book. As far as anachronism goes, it's not anachronistic in my setting :)</p>I like the items in the book. As far as anachronism goes, it's not anachronistic in my setting :)Odraude2014-01-12T16:50:01ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)DM Beckett (alias of Beckett)https://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1532014-01-12T16:49:54Z2014-01-12T16:49:54Z<p>Not sure I agree that it should be cheaper. It's a very good ability, and basically good for everyone (besides Monk). Armor Enhancements tend to be less cool a lot of times, and being cheaper than weapon enhancements, I could see this being very popular across the board for anyone that can swing at least medium armor.</p>
<p>You can also get a similar affect with Clear Spindle Ioun Stone (4,000 gp) + Wayfinder (500/250 gp), but the armor seems to apply to everything (not just Evil). </p>
<p>I would say somewhere between a +2 and +3 looks about right, +4 maybe but kind of pushing it. If the armor specifically worked like a single version of Protection From _____, I think it would be also be a little more balanced.</p>Not sure I agree that it should be cheaper. It's a very good ability, and basically good for everyone (besides Monk). Armor Enhancements tend to be less cool a lot of times, and being cheaper than weapon enhancements, I could see this being very popular across the board for anyone that can swing at least medium armor.
You can also get a similar affect with Clear Spindle Ioun Stone (4,000 gp) + Wayfinder (500/250 gp), but the armor seems to apply to everything (not just Evil).
I would say...DM Beckett (alias of Beckett)2014-01-12T16:49:54ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)feytharnhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1522014-01-12T17:23:14Z2014-01-12T16:44:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gorbacz wrote:</div><blockquote> Example: back in the Dragon/Dungeon days there were people vocally asking for an Art of Dragon/Dungeon book. So, Paizo made that book. It got solid reviews and is a really nice book. And now it's sitting on their shelves discounted to a silly price of 4 USD, because apparently not many people bought it. Turns out, a vocal group of people saying "please, do an art book" was nowhere close to an indication of what the market as a whole was interested to put money out for. </blockquote><p>Thank you for reminding me. Paizo now has a few less of those to worry about ;-)Gorbacz wrote:Example: back in the Dragon/Dungeon days there were people vocally asking for an Art of Dragon/Dungeon book. So, Paizo made that book. It got solid reviews and is a really nice book. And now it's sitting on their shelves discounted to a silly price of 4 USD, because apparently not many people bought it. Turns out, a vocal group of people saying "please, do an art book" was nowhere close to an indication of what the market as a whole was interested to put money out for.
Thank...feytharn2014-01-12T16:44:03ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Player Companion: Magical Marketplace (PFRPG)Gorbaczhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy92lv/discuss&page=4?Pathfinder-Player-Companion-Magical-Marketplace#1512014-01-12T16:15:03Z2014-01-12T16:15:03Z<p>1. An armor enchantment that helps armor-using classes with their worst save and protects them from the most obvious way to remove them from a battle should be actually cheaper. +2 is too expensive for something that is a band-aid on your Achilles heel.</p>
<p>2. The sniping enchantment likely could be +1 instead of +2 but then again, nobody does invest in ranged sneak attack anyway.</p>1. An armor enchantment that helps armor-using classes with their worst save and protects them from the most obvious way to remove them from a battle should be actually cheaper. +2 is too expensive for something that is a band-aid on your Achilles heel.
2. The sniping enchantment likely could be +1 instead of +2 but then again, nobody does invest in ranged sneak attack anyway.Gorbacz2014-01-12T16:15:03Z