I'm not sure I understand what the "hook" is for this AP. We had the Pirate AP, the "return to Varisia" AP, the dark fairy-tale AP, and now...the giant demon war AP? Is there something I'm missing here?
Have you somehow overlooked the gaping Worldwound where this demon war has been ongoing through four separate crusades spanning centuries in the Golarion campaign setting? The "hook" for this AP should fall right in line with fighting the good fight for the sake of doing something good for the world.
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I'm not sure I understand what the "hook" is for this AP. We had the Pirate AP, the "return to Varisia" AP, the dark fairy-tale AP, and now...the giant demon war AP? Is there something I'm missing here?
There's a couple hooks:
1) The mythic adventure path.
2) The big demon themed AP.
3) The "great choice for paladins and other good guys" AP.
4) The Big War AP.
Also, an AP set in the Worldwound has been the #1 request for an AP for a few years, so there's that too.
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Yes, the Worldwound has SO screamed out for an AP!
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Yes, the Worldwound has SO screamed out for an AP!
Screaming for Vengeance, even.
The synopsis for part one sounds familiar. After a bit of thought I realized why - it sounds at least superficially like the plot of The Demon Within, which I expect is long out of print.
Intentional overlap?
I'm not sure I understand what the "hook" is for this AP. We had the Pirate AP, the "return to Varisia" AP, the dark fairy-tale AP, and now...the giant demon war AP? Is there something I'm missing here?There's a couple hooks:
1) The mythic adventure path.
2) The big demon themed AP.
3) The "great choice for paladins and other good guys" AP.
4) The Big War AP.
Also, an AP set in the Worldwound has been the #1 request for an AP for a few years, so there's that too.
Okay, that definitely answers my question. Thanks.
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The synopsis for part one sounds familiar. After a bit of thought I realized why - it sounds at least superficially like the plot of The Demon Within, which I expect is long out of print.
Intentional overlap?
The first installment of Wrath of the Righteous actually assumes the events of "The Demon Within" took place a few years ago, in fact. There's also a fair bit of ret-con going on—"The Demon Within" made a few mis-steps in how it represented the Worldwound and the wardstones, alas (such as by setting it up so that no teleportaiton works at all in the Worldwound—that's too restrictive and un-fun).
"The Demon Within" is not out of print, in any case.
The first installment of Wrath of the Righteous actually assumes the events of "The Demon Within" took place a few years ago, in fact.The synopsis for part one sounds familiar. After a bit of thought I realized why - it sounds at least superficially like the plot of The Demon Within, which I expect is long out of print.
Intentional overlap?
D'oh! I forgot all about that module. I'll have to re-read that.
I'm already looking forward giving my players a cut scene-like introduction by paraphrasing Demon Within to them. I really liked the atmosphere of that module!
Ruyan.
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Yes, the Worldwound has SO screamed out for an AP!Screaming for Vengeance, even.
Or...that may just be the screaming sound of crusaders being torn limb from limb by demons on the battlefield. YMMV, of course. ;-)
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Or...that may just be the screaming sound of crusaders being torn limb from limb by demons on the battlefield. YMMV, of course. ;-)
Either way there's screaming involved. And in the end isn't that all that truly matters?
-Kcinlive
Along the lines of "there is no such thing as bad PR", I assume.
Ruyan.
So... many... potential... characters... in... head... for... this! Aaaggghhh!!!
Will there be options to use Mythic Rules in future/past AP's? I know a lot of people who did CC were annoyed that they didn't get to face off against the Whispering Tyrant.
Maybe a section in the Appendixes, after the main adventure (Mythic isn't for everyone after all!)
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Will there be options to use Mythic Rules in future/past AP's? I know a lot of people who did CC were annoyed that they didn't get to face off against the Whispering Tyrant.
Maybe a section in the Appendixes, after the main adventure (Mythic isn't for everyone after all!)
We don't intend to "redo" any previous APs as Mythic Adventures but you can certainly play mythic PCs in them. One interesting option would be to play an AP with only 1 or 2 characters who were mythic. Alternatively, the GM could power up an AP on their own to challenge mythic PCs.
But if we're going to do a mythic adventure or Adventure Path, we'll go all out with it as we are with Wrath of the Righteous.
I really meant at the end of each AP, in "Continuing the Adventure" part of the appendices, where often you state that there may be an "Even Bigger BBEG!" That part could well be in the scope for Mythic PC's.
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The Continuing the Adventure section is a good place for mythic elements to show up now and then, and I suspect they'll even show up here and there in the adventures themselves... but it's not gonna be an all the time thing.
Furthermore, note every CR 26 or higher monster is technically Mythic.
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Oi, Mikaze. Saw this pop up on my Facebook feed and thought of you.
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I'm not sure I understand what the "hook" is for this AP. We had the Pirate AP, the "return to Varisia" AP, the dark fairy-tale AP, and now...the giant demon war AP? Is there something I'm missing here?
er... demons are bad?
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I'm not sure I understand what the "hook" is for this AP. We had the Pirate AP, the "return to Varisia" AP, the dark fairy-tale AP, and now...the giant demon war AP? Is there something I'm missing here?er... demons are bad?
"Man, @#$% demons" should be a campaign trait.
Updated product with final cover and description.
Wow! Hot 1/2 Orc FTW!
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I kinda expected Mikaze to be bouncing off the ceiling in excitement. This seems understated. :p
Nice color scheme :)
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@ Gorbacz & magnuskn: Trust me, that post doesn't even convey a tenth of the feels I'm having right now. :)
Now for the hard part...not visiting WotR threads any more until I've played it. I really want to read this one, but I also really want to play it even more. This is going to be tough.
Will there only be demons in the Bestiary? Or will these AP's also have other creatures from real-world mythology that are called demons by real-life humans? Like Bauk, Mahaha and Asag?
There will be at least two demons in each volume. The other monsters will be our usual mix.
That's 12 new demons from this AP, plus new ones from the Worldwound Campaign setting book, and new demon options from Demons Revisited.
The options for demons for homebrew and future adventures are going to be quite robust. That's a diverse mix of style, CR, and role.
That's 12 new demons from this AP, plus new ones from the Worldwound Campaign setting book, and new demon options from Demons Revisited.
Gotta love it. :)
Wow, I wish the good, law, chaos, and some of the other evil(Azura, Oni, Qlippoths, and Rakshasa) outsiders got at least half as much love as demons are getting this year.
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Wow, I wish the good, law, chaos, and some of the other evil(Azura, Oni, Qlippoths, and Rakshasa) outsiders got at least half as much love as demons are getting this year.
If we do an Adventure Path where those types of creatures featured as prominently, we would do so. This is hardly new though—we did a lot of divs during Legacy of Fire, for example, and a lot of devils during Council of thieves.
Oni got a lot of love too in Jade Regent.
I'm thinking this AP will make a subscriber out of me - I can't wait.
I loved the menacing threat of Iuz in the Greyhawk setting, so I fell in love with the Worldwound from the first time I read of it.
Also, I'm a big fan of (Mr. Jacobs' list of hooks):
1) The mythic adventure path.
2) The big demon themed AP.
3) The "great choice for paladins and other good guys" AP.
4) The Big War AP.
"I used to bull's-eye Iuz-rats in my T-16 back home...but some of them are much bigger than 2 meters!" (sorry to mix genres)
I can't wait! Er, did I say that already?
Ohh I forgot the demon lords, not a huge fan of those, so my collection of monsters will only grow with 3 in each volume, as most of these books will have 4 monsters, well 3 monsters and 1 unique creature/lord.
Well I said that badly, I'm a fan of demon lords, just not in bestiaries. :-p
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Ohh I forgot the demon lords, not a huge fan of those, so my collection of monsters will only grow with 3 in each volume, as most of these books will have 4 monsters, well 3 monsters and 1 unique creature/lord.
Well I said that badly, I'm a fan of demon lords, just not in bestiaries. :-p
Even if...
Ohh I forgot the demon lords, not a huge fan of those, so my collection of monsters will only grow with 3 in each volume, as most of these books will have 4 monsters, well 3 monsters and 1 unique creature/lord.
Well I said that badly, I'm a fan of demon lords, just not in bestiaries. :-p
Even if...
** spoiler omitted **
I love the cover!
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Ohh I forgot the demon lords, not a huge fan of those, so my collection of monsters will only grow with 3 in each volume, as most of these books will have 4 monsters, well 3 monsters and 1 unique creature/lord.
Well I said that badly, I'm a fan of demon lords, just not in bestiaries. :-p
Even if...
** spoiler omitted **
Spoiler:But most of the new AP's have this part where the main villians and human characters are discribed, why the demon lords didn't suit in that part?.
Because...
And because the demon lords ARE new monsters. The characters we put in the NPC Gallery at the end of the adventure are generally not new monsters, but unique characters with class levels and/or more HD than normal.
I can hardly wait for this to come out!
Wait a sec... Is this the first half-orc to be featured on an Adventure Path cover (as in, the front figure; not in the background).
And a righteous demon-slaying one at that?
:D
Wait a sec... Is this the first half-orc to be featured on an Adventure Path cover (as in, the front figure; not in the background).
And a righteous demon-slaying one at that?
:D
Given that unlike the CRB Iconics, none of the APG Iconics were ever featured on AP covers, I do believe you are correct!