Pathfinder Roleplaying Game GM Screen—Alternate Cover (OGL) Print Edition

Same size as the original? I'd really like both in the 'landscape' format; just a bit too high up to sit and loom over the players.

Not being at my own house where my screen is, are there any differences between them in what is actually presented on the information side?

Very cool. Even if it's identical to the current screen on the back, I still want one.

http://paizo.com/products/btpy8bc7?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-GM-Screen

Looks like same info.

I'll probably get one.

Nice artwork, but I'd hoped that they would have found space for the Actions in Combat table (replacing the Experience Point Awards and Treasure Values per Encounter tables).

Agreed on the Actions in Combat table. Also, as cool as WR art is for the Iconics, I would have liked to see some kind of "splash panel" with the Iconics in action. Seems like a wasted opportunity.

No grapple rules? No folder pockets for putting my notes in? No landscape format? Aw, here I was hoping to replace my old GM Screen.

My old GM Screen is cursed. As soon as I bought it, my players started getting consistently bad rolls. After several months of this, I put the shield away and buried it under the luckiest objects I own in my possession. Suddenly, the gunslinger is getting at least one critical hit every session and get rolls so good that they quickly mow down even the toughest enemies I throw at them.

I too would rather see an Actions in Combat than XP and Treasure values. I don't use XP anymore so that table is less useful to me.

I'm using XP and the table is very much useful for me. Then again, I'd also love actions there. What I did was print out the Actions table from Character Folio and stick it on the GM screen. Works fine so far!

Now that would be a awesome product custom GM screens print to order.

I'm using XP and the table is very much useful for me. Then again, I'd also love actions there. What I did was print out the Actions table from Character Folio and stick it on the GM screen. Works fine so far!

That's pretty much what I've been doing as well. The XP table is probably the table on the GM Screen I've used the most, so I'm pleased it's there.

Likewise, the XP table gets used every single session I run.

Apart from the makeover, it's identical to the regular screen.

landscape would be nice to me, its too high!!
i need to stand every combat...
and where´s the stealth info?
we need pockets too-

believe me, if you make it landscape you can get more space to place more tables and things realy needed (xp is in the treasure value per encounter in ultimate equipment).

Probably a silly question, but will this screen be included in a subscription for us, or is it ordered separately?

It's not part of any subscription.

Will it be available through distribution?

landscape would be nice to me, its too high!!

i need to stand every combat...
and where´s the stealth info?
we need pockets too-

believe me, if you make it landscape you can get more space to place more tables and things realy needed (xp is in the treasure value per encounter in ultimate equipment).

It's four 8.5x11 panels; if we did that in landscape mode, it would be nearly 4 feet long, and we think that's just too big. Landscape screens really don't work well unless you have just two or three panels, and we can't afford to lose one.

Also, when you rotate a panel from portrait to landscape, you do not gain space. In fact, you *lose* effective space, because we assume that you've got a pile of minis, dice, books, or what-have-you blocking the bottom inch or so of the screen, so landscape mode means that another couple square inches per panel get blocked by your stuff.

Will it be available through distribution?

It's a pretty small run, so it's a paizo.com and convention exclusive.

Cool. Going to buy one right now, then...

-It's four 8.5x11 panels; if we did that in landscape mode, it would be nearly 4 feet long, and we think that's just too big.
-Landscape screens really don't work well unless you have just two or three panels, and we can't afford to lose one.
-we assume that you've got what-have-you blocking the bottom inch or so of the screen, so landscape mode means that another couple square inches per panel get blocked by your stuff.

Fair enough!

Juda de Kerioth wrote:

landscape would be nice to me, its too high!!

i need to stand every combat...
and where´s the stealth info?
we need pockets too-

believe me, if you make it landscape you can get more space to place more tables and things realy needed (xp is in the treasure value per encounter in ultimate equipment).

It's four 8.5x11 panels; if we did that in landscape mode, it would be nearly 4 feet long, and we think that's just too big. Landscape screens really don't work well unless you have just two or three panels, and we can't afford to lose one.

Also, when you rotate a panel from portrait to landscape, you do not gain space. In fact, you *lose* effective space, because we assume that you've got a pile of minis, dice, books, or what-have-you blocking the bottom inch or so of the screen, so landscape mode means that another couple square inches per panel get blocked by your stuff.

I don't know about lose a panel, but some stuff can definitely go. But some stuff needs to come in too.

I, like I think many do, printed out the which actions provoke chart and velcroed it over the xp and treasure. Who ever needs two weapon fighting penalties on hand at all times? I think the weapon size damage chart would see a thousand times more use. A page number for wind effects on flight is sufficient. That chart is HUGE and pretty much useless since none of that info is complicated or in a hard to find location. I'd rather have a list of which creature types correspond to which knowledge types. And why is swim on there instead of sleight of hand?

If you were to not add anything and remove the things I mentioned, I'm pretty sure you could drop a panel and go landscape.

Anyway, I like the idea of having the new Iconics. and BLUE too! I love blue!

Juda de Kerioth wrote:

landscape would be nice to me, its too high!!

i need to stand every combat...
and where´s the stealth info?
we need pockets too-

believe me, if you make it landscape you can get more space to place more tables and things realy needed (xp is in the treasure value per encounter in ultimate equipment).

It's four 8.5x11 panels; if we did that in landscape mode, it would be nearly 4 feet long, and we think that's just too big. Landscape screens really don't work well unless you have just two or three panels, and we can't afford to lose one.

Also, when you rotate a panel from portrait to landscape, you do not gain space. In fact, you *lose* effective space, because we assume that you've got a pile of minis, dice, books, or what-have-you blocking the bottom inch or so of the screen, so landscape mode means that another couple square inches per panel get blocked by your stuff.

Do not get me wrong, I am a huge fan of Paizo products, but what you have written here Mr. Wertz is flatly incorrect. I too, would much prefer a landscape format screen. I would encourage Paizo to look at pretty much every other GM screen out on the market right now, from Cthulhu to D&D 4e to even the screens that are nothing more than blank sleeves. All of them are landscape format. Paizo could easily accommodate this format if they so chose. Landscape format is an all around better fit for the gaming table. I hope that this is something that Paizo will consider in the future. As far as loosing space, minis and dice blocking the bottom inch or so, etc., none of this is really true. If you take your 4, 8x11 panels and turn them sidewise, your space doesn't magically disappear into an alternate dimension or anything. It is the same space, just turned on its side. 8.5x11 is 8.5x11 regardless of which way you turn it. Again, I would encourage Paizo to examine pretty much every other GM screen on the market currently. Paizo is the exception here, not the norm.

If you take your 4, 8x11 panels and turn them sidewise, your space doesn't magically disappear into an alternate dimension or anything.

I would encourage Paizo to look at pretty much every other GM screen out on the market right now, from Cthulhu to D&D 4e to even the screens that are nothing more than blank sleeves. All of them are landscape format.

Any of the screens you're talking about have 4 11x8.5 panels, meaning they're 44 inches long? The ones I've seen have only three.

Paizo is the exception here, not the norm.

Thanks for noticing—we get that a lot!

Thanks for noticing—we get that a lot!

Then, if you "get that a lot", why you don´t just hear what we have to say about the product we buy?

The same ocurred whith the Portfolio character sheet, many customers complain about the spaces in it.

C´mon, you can do it better than that!!
And thanks for the products by the way

I don't really have a strong view one way or the other (though I guess portrait orientation is what I'm used to). However, for those interested in a landscape screen, this might be of interest.

It has no gaming information, but rather six landscape oriented pockets (a little bit less than A4 sized) - three on the player side and three for the DM. No matter what system you're playing, you can print out exactly what you want for your game.

I too would rather see an Actions in Combat than XP and Treasure values. I don't use XP anymore so that table is less useful to me.

Same here, I never use that XP table during a gaming session. I replaced it with a copy of the action table too.

Moonbird

englishteacherdrew wrote:

I would encourage Paizo to look at pretty much every other GM screen out on the market right now, from Cthulhu to D&D 4e to even the screens that are nothing more than blank sleeves. All of them are landscape format.

Any of the screens you're talking about have 4 11x8.5 panels, meaning they're 44 inches long? The ones I've seen have only three.

Yeah, my favorite one is a landscape 4-panel screen. The World's Greatest Screen In practice, the screen doesn't take up 44" on the table, only about 22". Two panels wide, and the other two panels are bent back towards the DM. Since the panels are 11" long, you can lay a piece of paper down behind it and the screen can hide everything if you want it to.

Here are the inserts I use for that screen: 4-panel landscape screen inserts. I print two copies of the carts and have one set facing me and the other set facing the players. I fin these to be much more useful than the charts on the official screen.

Same size as the original? I'd really like both in the 'landscape' format; just a bit too high up to sit and loom over the players.

Add me to the list of people who would love to have a landscape GM screen. I don't mind if you have to cut out some content. The portrait screen is much taller than it needs to be.

LANDSCAPE! LANDSCAPE! LANDSCAPE!

Yes, I would also love a landscape screen even though it'd mean some stuff was left off. As it is, I can't really use my Pathfinder screen.

That said, I assume that the OGL-ness of Pathfinder means that someone else could produce one; it's not as if Paizo have to produce everything we want.

Looks good, but a bit pricey for a screen.

Looks good, but a bit pricey for a screen.

I don't mean to be combative, but I can not remember a screen for less than $10 dollars in over a decade, and those were flimsy. This screen is solid, at least if it is the same material as the previous version.

Where have you seen one for less?

It is a lot, 15 American, for coloured cardboard. They aren't that solid.

They're a lot thicker than the old TSR/WotC ones for 2 and 3e, which were basically laminated cardboard.

Very well, thick laminated cardboard. :D

You, obviously, are free to feel it is too expensive. I believe you will not find a sturdy GM screen for less than 15 dollars, unless you cobble together your own.

To your statement regarding how solid they are. Have you actually held one? These are as sturdy as the sturdiest GM screens I have come across. Especially at this price point.

Just gonna chime in and say that I love the current format of the screens. Landscape is actually too low to be effective, IMO. And, as Vic noted, having it the current way allows 4 panels, and thus more info. No screen will ever have every chart that every person wants. The Pathfinder one does a nice job on that front as far as I'm concerned, as a user of it for some years now.

Removed a few posts. Let's keep combative language/sniping out of the product discussion threads, please.

The Castles and Crusades landscape screen, I think, is split into two parts, each of two panels. My C&C DM says it's great, although I've never seen the DM side (and C&C is a much simpler game).

They're a lot thicker than the old TSR/WotC ones for 2 and 3e, which were basically laminated cardboard.

that´s a big lie dude!!

Ummmm Juda, Thats some ummm hard to understand information. I personally prefer landscape, therefore use my old DnD 3.5 That I carefully printed charts for, had laminated, then used sticky take to put them on the gm side of the screen.

I own the Pathfinder one but just keep it on my end table opened to the final Chart for the 4th panel. I was able to fit the Larger tables from the Pathfinder screen by just shrinking the font a tad and then dropping to 80% Size in Paint lol. Looks like it was made for it and the area behind the Laminated screens make for fast pockets if I need them since the bottom is on the table and the sticky tack only on the cornors.

If this is like the other one, it is essentially hardback book covers. I saw the other in a used book store and fell in love with the design and material. I'll probably get this one instead now.

If this is like the other one, it is essentially hardback book covers.

Yep—it's the same.

Joana wrote:

They're a lot thicker than the old TSR/WotC ones for 2 and 3e, which were basically laminated cardboard.

that´s a big lie dude!!

The old tsr/3.0/3.5/4.0 screens were harder than a cereal box, i have a lot of them (even my beloved Ravenloft have one soft screen).
This paizian´s screens aro so hard, sou should have care with, maybe you can pop up an eye from your own with one.

Indeed, I've seen those old screens last half a decade with some fading. After two years, two paizo screens from two dms I know, were a bit of a mess.

Well I don't know what to say to that, other than mine is in perfect condition and I got one as soon as they were available.