Eric Hinkle |
I have to say, I have been waiting for the Animal Ally feat for a very long time. I don't care if it takes three feats, being able to give any class a mount with an effective druid level equal to your character level opens up so many character ideas... my future sohei, roughriders and mounted furies all thank you!
The heck? Three feats? That sounds to be a rather steep price to pay for an animal companion mount.
Eric Hinkle |
Cheapy wrote:Nuking the ability.
And interesting... lately the devout of Aroden have been receiving a few spells here or there...
ARODEN!!!!!!!
HOW????????
*Reads the answers others have given*
Heck, and here I would have gone with Sifkesh being up to her old tricks again.
And dumb question but does the book go into any detail on Razmir's followers?
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal |
And dumb question but does the book go into any detail on Razmir's followers?
It does! There is a section called Fallen & False Dieties, which has a fair amount of info regarding Razmir & his followers. It also includes one of the two Archetypes in this book, Arcane Healer, a new Bard Archetype. You get a reduced Channel Positive Energy, for Healing only at the expense of Versatile Performance & later you may use rounds of Bardic Performance for more healing in place of Loremaster.
Gorbacz |
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Eric Hinkle wrote:And dumb question but does the book go into any detail on Razmir's followers?It does! There is a section called Fallen & False Dieties, which has a fair amount of info regarding Razmir & his followers. It also includes one of the two Archetypes in this book, Arcane Healer, a new Bard Archetype. You get a reduced Channel Positive Energy, for Healing only at the expense of Versatile Performance & later you may use rounds of Bardic Performance for more healing in place of Loremaster.
I smell a one-star review from Beckett for that alone ;-)
Celestial Pegasus |
The heck? Three feats? That sounds to be a rather steep price to pay for an animal companion mount.
My response to this is only somewhat related, but a similar investment is often necessary to pick up a Familiar if your character isn't an Arcane Sorcerer or a Wizard, insofar as I understand. Skill Focus in a relevant Knowledge skill, Eldritch Heritage Arcane Bloodline, then (if desired) Improved Familiar.
Three feats, or two plus an optional one, seems to be fairly common for this sort of thing?
Luthorne |
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Mmm...probably not. It does talk a bit about the militaristic Cult of the Dawnflower, that militant faction of Saranrae's church which exerts a lot of power in Qadira, but I think that's about it that might be of interest...well, one of the traits might be appropriate, but that's likely about it.
Overall:
Two pages discussing belief in general, then going briefly into various modes of belief as divided by communal, ecclesiastical, individualistic, and shamanistic.
Two pages on atheism, what it consists of on Golarion (usually that the gods are not worthy of the authority and reverence that people bestow upon them rather than them not existing), some discussion of the Laws of Man in Rahadoum, as well as other atheists, six feats specifically for atheists (Atheist Abjurations, Divine Defiance, Divine Denouncer, Focused Disbelief, Iconoclast, Seeds of Doubt).
Two pages on Codes of Honor as presented in Ultimate Campaign, describing the codes of honor of the Ichimeiyo, Knights of Ozem, Prophecies of Kalistrade, and the Red Mantis Assassins, and specific tables for honor point adjustments for each group's codes of honor.
Two pages on Druidism, dwelling on the Green Faith and druids who are unaffiliated with it, also presenting the Green Faith Initiate druid archetype, and five feats for worshipers of nature (Animal Ally, Druidic Decoder, Friend to Animals, Nature Soul, Weather Eye).
Two pages on fallen and false deities, going into Aroden, the cults of the failed (those countless people who failed the Test of the Starstone), and Razmir, then the Arcane Healer bard archetype.
Two pages on Juju, discussing it, listing the common Wendo, and listing the new Juju oracle mystery, which moves away from the undead focus of the previous ones.
Strangely, a double-page propaganda spread as if created by a fanatical Iomedean dedicated to telling you why everyone else sucks.
Two pages on Monasticism, going into martial monasteries, religious monasteries, and sangpotshi, a philosophy of reincarnation, as well as nine meditation feats (Bend with the Wind, Body Control, Body Mastery, Combat Meditation, Meditation Master, Meditative Concentration, Perfect Awareness, Perfect Center, Slow Time).
Two pages on pantheist, talking about aligned pantheons, cultural pantheons, and racial pantheons, as well as the Pantheistic Blessing feat for worshipers of a specific pantheon, which gives you a single 1st level spell-like ability usable 1/day suitable to a specific pantheon, then lists the pantheons (archdevils, ascended, demon lords, dwarven, eldest, elven, empyreal lords, order of the god claw, sandpoint, taldan, vudrani) and which spell-like ability they grant people with the Pantheistic Blessing feat.
Two pages on religious orders and schisms, going into how the Church of Norgorber is divided into four different orders based on his four aspects, the Cult of the Dawnflower, and the Pharasmin Pentinence, then three new Inqiusitions for inquisitors (Excommunication, Redemption, Reformation).
Two pages on Totemism, particularly focusing on how it's practiced in the Mwangi and among the Shoanti, and then four new Druid Domains are listed (Badlands, Crocodile, Panther, and Vulture).
Two pages on other philosophies, such as common rule, demigod worship, diabolism, tamashigo, and the whispering way.
Six spells, Blood Song (bard 4), Hallucinogenic Smoke (cleric 4, witch 4), Jungle Mind (druid 5, oracle 5, ranger 4), Lay of the Land (cleric 2, bard 2, druid 2, ranger 2, witch 2), Source Severance (cleric 6, druid 6, witch 6), Tectonic Communication (druid 7).
Eleven new magic items (Gloves of Personal Purity, Hand Wraps of Blinding Ki, Kalistocrat's Coin, Leshy Mulch Manual, Pantheistic Clasp, Prophetic Paraphernalia, Propitious Metumbe, Shield of Countless Causes, Tome of Heretical Revelation, Vest of Shed Servitude, Warden's Cudgel).
And that's pretty much it.
Celestial Pegasus |
Thank you, Luthorne! That's a very helpful summary of the contents. You've listed enough things in there, with enough detail, that I feel much safer about this purchase (you ended up stumbling across some other things I'm interested in, it turns out). I'll add it to my cart and pick it up very soon.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal |
Specifically to Oracles, no. However, everything in there is useful for Oracles. It's just useful for others as well.
The specific Pantheons listed (and what types they are considered) are: ARCHDEVILS (ALIGNED, RACIAL, AND CULTURAL), ASCENDED PANTHEON (CULTURAL), DEMON LORDS (ALIGNED, CULTURAL, AND RACIAL), DWARVEN PANTHEON (RACIAL), ELDEST (CULTURAL AND RACIAL), ELVEN PANTHEON (RACIAL), EMPYREAL LORDS (ALIGNED AND CULTURAL), ORDER OF THE GOD CLAW PANTHEON (ALIGNED), SANDPOINT PANTHEON (CULTURAL), TALDAN PANTHEON (CULTURAL) and the VUDRANI PANTHEON (CULTURAL).
Luthorne |
As excited as I've been about this book, I wanted to fish for some details before I buy it today.
Is there anything in here regarding Pharasma, Urgathoa, or the Whispering Way?
If not, I think I'm going to subscribe to the adventure paths today instead and get this next week C:
As was said, there's a little bit on the Whispering Way, and a similar bit on the Pharasmin Pentinence (a Pharasma-worshiping order that believes suffering in life leads to greater rewards in the afterlife and that pleasure is a distraction). Beyond that, not really.
Just a quick question -- I've read that the book covers pantheism. Does it have anything to say specifically of use to oracles, who were once described as being somewhat pantheistic? I.e., like a Battle Oracle who honors and venerates all the gods with War as an area of interest?
Mmm, it more discusses pantheons in general, going into ones based around alignment, ones specific to certain cultures, ones specific to certain races, which are likely to appeal to what groups or individuals, etc. It may well be food for thought, and it notes it's compatible with notions of druidism, juju, and totemism, so you might get some more out of that as well, but oracles aren't really singled out in the pantheon section.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Matthew Morris wrote:Edit: Shame Inquisitors can't take Druid Domains. You could so make t'Challa now.Why can't they? Or is it the ones in this book specifically.
I was thinking they were limited to the Cleric domains. An inquisitor who could worship the 'Panther spirit' in Juju and get the pather domain would be kind of awesome.
"Devil's Advocate" |
"Devil's Advocate" wrote:I was thinking they were limited to the Cleric domains. An inquisitor who could worship the 'Panther spirit' in Juju and get the pather domain would be kind of awesome.Matthew Morris wrote:Edit: Shame Inquisitors can't take Druid Domains. You could so make t'Challa now.Why can't they? Or is it the ones in this book specifically.
My understanding is that anyone that can take Domains normally can pick other Domains/Subdomains if they are appropriate to the characters Faith or Deity. SKR said that back when Subdomains first came out, so Clerics may taie Druid Domains, Inquisitors can take Subdomain options, and everything of that nature if they would normally be allowed (not race or alignment specific for example).
Patrick Renie Developer |
James Sutter Senior Editor/Fiction Editor |
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ThatEvilGuy wrote:Whoever wrote the Iomedaen religious propaganda pamphlet is my hero.I believe you have the ever-talented and hilarious James Sutter to thank for that gem. :]
That was one of the most fun things I've written recently! Wes, Patrick, and I all got excited about doing what's essentially a Golarion version of a Chick Tract, and I'm really glad they let me write it. :D
James Sutter Senior Editor/Fiction Editor |
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I once made a race and they held the view on gods and religion "If we are going to be damned, let us be damned for what we really are." Where would that view fall in the spectrum presented in this book.
Since almost anyone of any religious or philosophical persuasion could say something like that, the answer is "almost anywhere". The quoted attitude, of itself, doesn't provide enough information to make any call. If it is meant to be something like "we don't need gods; we'll live or die on our own", that's close to Golarion Atheists, and the Rahadoumi in the world setting.
Momo Kimura |
So I can play a Druid with the Vulture Domain.
A legal Domain in PFS.
A legal means in PFS to cast REINCARNATE?
A legal Domain spelllist that doesn't replace the REINCARNATE Domain spell?
HELL YEAH I would play a Vulture Druid.
(Vulture Domain is on Page 25, according to ADDITIONAL RESOURCES it is legal since it is on that page and nothing is changed about it)
Jeff Erwin Contributor |
MMCJawa wrote:so exactly how was the JuJu oracle nuked?The new one is PFS legal. Who cares if it was nerfed a little? :-).
Its cool and flavorful and not underpowered. Not really overpowered either which is good.
Awesome. Book ordered. I have been waiting to play a Juju Oracle for a while now.
And Vudra stuff, apparently. 8>
Fromper |
So I can play a Druid with the Vulture Domain.
A legal Domain in PFS.
A legal means in PFS to cast REINCARNATE?
A legal Domain spelllist that doesn't replace the REINCARNATE Domain spell?
HELL YEAH I would play a Vulture Druid.(Vulture Domain is on Page 25, according to ADDITIONAL RESOURCES it is legal since it is on that page and nothing is changed about it)
Umm, no. The spell is illegal for PFS, under all circumstances. The fact that a domain is legal for PFS and grants that spell doesn't override that. This type of thing has come up before. I'm sure there will be an FAQ for it within a month or two, probably replacing that spell with something else for PFS.
Michael Brock Pathfinder Society Campaign Coordinator |
Voltron64 |
Patrick Renie wrote:That was one of the most fun things I've written recently! Wes, Patrick, and I all got excited about doing what's essentially a Golarion version of a Chick Tract, and I'm really glad they let me write it. :DThatEvilGuy wrote:Whoever wrote the Iomedaen religious propaganda pamphlet is my hero.I believe you have the ever-talented and hilarious James Sutter to thank for that gem. :]
Obviously, the propaganda pamphlet does in no way represent or reflect the Church and followers of Iomedae, correct? ;)
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I was really looking forward to seeing what Paizo did with pantheistic belief systems, but it seems that all they did was to completely redefine the word to remove its actual meaning and make "pantheistic" synonymous with "pantheonic" in Golarion. Was this deliberate, or just a wide-spread error?
Pantheism (in the real world) is the belief that all of existence comprises an all-encompassing God. It is a key element of many forms of Hinduism.
Polytheism (again, in the real world) is the belief that many different gods exist, often divided into pantheons.
I know that it's just a game, and that lots of words get redefined by the game writers to mean completely different things within the game than they do in the real world, but I'm curious why "pantheism" has been changed this way instead of developed as its own in-game analogue to real-world pantheism.
(I'm not personally a pantheist, but I do have a BA in theology and was kind of looking forward to seeing a gaming version of pantheism.)
Quandary |
I would guess that real-world historical religious concepts just don't apply in a world where "Gods" are just really powerful beings that hand out powers to loyal followers. "Belief" plays a minor role in Golarion Religion, existence of Gods is not controversial or in dispute by anybody, religion is more about allegiance and fealty. Your real-word definition of Pantheism is just provably un-true in Golarion, as Clerics can only receive powers from Deities, not concepts or the universe as a whole, so there just isn't an all-encompassing "God", not in the sense of "God" as that term is used in Golarion. People may have their theories of the world and universe as a whole, but they aren't going to conflate that up with "Gods" because "Gods" are specific, real beings. In other words, when the status of "Gods" differs from real world to Golarion, words based on constructions of "Gods"/theo- will function according to the context of "Gods" relevant for that world, not based on world where "Gods" has a wholly different relevance and context.
"Devil's Advocate" |
However, even Clerics can be followers of multiple gods equally, (they just receive power from one single Patron). This was ruled in regards to the Godclaw and Dwarven Pantheon, which originally, as written did allow Clerics to follow the concept of the Godclaw or the entire Dwarven/still 3.5 Elven Pantheon. Also, one can be a Shoanti tribe Totemist Cleric.
But beyond that, one can be a Paladin/Druid/Inquisitor/Oracle or other divine caster but Cleric pantheonist just fine. Never been a fan of that being the primary flavor distinction between the Oracle and the Cleric, personally, and think it's pretty stupid.
James Sutter Senior Editor/Fiction Editor |
James Sutter wrote:Obviously, the propaganda pamphlet does in no way represent or reflect the Church and followers of Iomedae, correct? ;)Patrick Renie wrote:That was one of the most fun things I've written recently! Wes, Patrick, and I all got excited about doing what's essentially a Golarion version of a Chick Tract, and I'm really glad they let me write it. :DThatEvilGuy wrote:Whoever wrote the Iomedaen religious propaganda pamphlet is my hero.I believe you have the ever-talented and hilarious James Sutter to thank for that gem. :]
I intentionally wrote that screed to be off the deep end, but I suspect that bits of his opinions would ring true with other Iomedaeans, as well as folks of other religions. Mocking those different than you is a fairly universal human trait. :D
James Sutter Senior Editor/Fiction Editor |
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I was really looking forward to seeing what Paizo did with pantheistic belief systems, but it seems that all they did was to completely redefine the word to remove its actual meaning and make "pantheistic" synonymous with "pantheonic" in Golarion. Was this deliberate, or just a wide-spread error?
Pantheism (in the real world) is the belief that all of existence comprises an all-encompassing God. It is a key element of many forms of Hinduism.
Polytheism (again, in the real world) is the belief that many different gods exist, often divided into pantheons.
I know that it's just a game, and that lots of words get redefined by the game writers to mean completely different things within the game than they do in the real world, but I'm curious why "pantheism" has been changed this way instead of developed as its own in-game analogue to real-world pantheism.
(I'm not personally a pantheist, but I do have a BA in theology and was kind of looking forward to seeing a gaming version of pantheism.)
While we could spin a beautiful web of metaphysical arguments trying to rationalize... the fact is that this we messed up. Somehow, all of us involved in the product thought that pantheism meant belief in a pantheon (damn you, Greek roots!). After all, if you look up "pantheism" on the internet, you find things like Hinduism, which clearly have many gods...
So yeah--turns out, we're game designers interested in religion, but not experts. Polytheism (or something else entirely) would have been the correct term. Apologies to all the theologists out there!