Maybe we will finally get the fey version of polymorph spells.
Oh man, I hope so. I really, really, really, REALLY want those spells. Plus they'd be perfect for this new base class idea I've got... ^_^
I have my doubts we will get those spells in this book but it would be nice if we did.
I am reading Death's Heretic and got to the place with the First World. This has sparked my interest in the fey.
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The first world is a very interesting place and it does need it's own book...hint..hint;)
The first world is a very interesting place and it does need it's own book...hint..hint;)
I will GLADLY second that.
I third it!
What the heck ... I'll 4th it. (A First World gazetteer in the Campaign Setting line) WOULD be pretty cool and very interesting.
(Get Neil Spicer and Richard Pett to write it ... and perhaps one or two others) ...
Dean
What the heck ... I'll 4th it. (A First World gazetteer in the Campaign Setting line) WOULD be pretty cool and very interesting.
(Get Neil Spicer and Richard Pett to write it ... and perhaps one or two others) ...
Dean
Now that would be extraordinarily splendid.
I can't wait to see this one, especially as the foul Hitchcock and his depraved personal habits are involved.
I am very interested in this one alright but still disapointed that my two favorite fey(Pixie and Nixie) didn't get into the book.
Is ther some stuff about gnomes and their link to the first world? Maybe first world gnomes? More options of tying PC´s into the fey? And what about Kitsune? Those really need loving desperately!
What the heck ... I'll 4th it. (A First World gazetteer in the Campaign Setting line) WOULD be pretty cool and very interesting.
(Get Neil Spicer and Richard Pett to write it ... and perhaps one or two others) ...
Dean
Now, now ... let's not forget James Sutter, who is the resident First World expert at Paizo. Put him in that last above with Mr. Spicer and Mr. Pett and you have a guarantee buy!
No, James IS a resident of the first world, lovely chap, lovely chap. But cool idea Sub-Creator.
Although I must admit bias as I think James S should be president of the world , as it would become a place of joy and happiness with monsters. Mnaaaaaaar.
Actually Hitchcock would also make a good world pres as tequila would be free under his rule, if free tequila is a good thing, although the downside of having Hitchcock in charge could be terrifying.
I just signed off on the final files for this tonight, and I've got to say it's definitely one of the best-looking Pathfinder books we've done in a great while, starting with an amazing cover from Steve Prescott!
Thanks for the update! When do you think that the cover image will be updated?
Looking forward to this one. And any future First World sourcebook. But, having Hitchcock in charge? Not so much. Terrifying indeed. In fact, that'd almost be Pett-esque on the terror scale. ;-)
Gazeteer? First World World Guide would be better
Let me get this straight:
Good Fey: Dryad / Nymph / Pixie / Satyr / Grig / Faun
Neutral Fey: Brownie / Korred / Leprechaun / Nereid / Pech / Atomie / Fey Creature / Blodeuwedd / Nixie / Norn / Sprite / Domovoi's / Larabay / Thinman /
Evil Fey: Mite / Forlarren / Gremlins / Kelpie / Lurker in Light / Quickling / Redcap / Twigjack / Bogeyman / Cold Rider / Nuckelavee / Fuath / Rusalka / Polevik / Springheel Jack /
Ok, the good fey are few, but there are few good monsters in general because you need more enemies than allies for most games.
There are many evil fey because there are many gremlin variants and many are EVIL in folklore, making the Bogeyman, Nuckelavee and Kelpie neutral would be wrong.
And there are pretty much neutral fey anyway.
I just think there should be more creatures called fey.
Creatures that should have been fey in my opinion: All Hags except for Night Hag, Sylph, Oread, Undine, Spriggan, Dullahan, Yuki Onna, maybe Leshies but I don't mind them being plants as wel, Mothman, Wendigo, Will o Wisp, Pukwudgie, Vodyanoi, Dark Naga, maybe all Trolls, Saumen Kar, Valkyrie, Jorogumo, Drekavac, Thriae, Fachen, Qalluppallik and Popobala.
They just feel like natural forces to me, all having some fey-like stuff going on. Hags and trolls being the uglyness of nature, Mothman being disasters and mysteries, Yuki Onna becoming lost and snowstorms and so on. I never understand why Will o Wisps aren't fey...
Other creatures that aren't paizo's yet but which could be soon and that could be called fey are: Buggane, Jack in Irons, Fomorian, Firbolg, Bloody Bones, Tooth Fairy, Clurichaun, Phooka, Puck, Some Jester Fey, Akaname, Barbegazi, Rarog, Kikimora, Fossegrim, Batibat, Erlkonig, Bauk, The Wild Hunt, Lampade, Cherufe, and maybe a mirror fey/fetch.
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Yuki-Onna and Dullahan ARE Fey. I will forgive the ignorance of the one who made them Undead in Pathfinder, but I have personally houseruled them as Fey in my own games, because that is what they were in myth and what they still should be in all D&D settings unless you come up with a very cool story to explain why they aren't. Trolls, Mothmen and Will-o-Wisps should also be Fey but I'm not so sure about the Hags.
Hags are fey in D&D and it really suits them as anti-nymph.
Nymphs are the beauty of nature, hags are the ugly part of nature, I really would have liked that, D&D doesn't do much good these days and in 4th edition, but the hags-being-fey is something they did good.
From what I know of Pathfinder lore, they actually ARE descendants of fey.
So yeah, they should be fey as well, along with the examples you and I mentioned here.
There are also much more undead than there are fey, so Dullahan and Yuki-Onna (while I can see both being undead as Sleepy Hollow and the background story of Yuki make them look like undead.) would be better off with the fey for more reasons.
Vodyanoi is another example of what would have been much better with fey, they are the grumpy guardians of lakes and fish.
Pukwudgie being the evolution link from troll to hag would have made sense too, having the natural part of death and maybe voodoo.
Wendigo of course makes sense being the fey of cannibalizm, Gluttony, wind and terror.
Wendigo got thrown around in Lovecraftian things, and I can see them as either Fey or Native Outsiders.
But yeah, seeing obviously Fey beings getting placed in the wrong category got my myth geek blood boiling.
I agree that yuki-onna, wendigo, hags, willow wisp, spriggins, vodyanoi, thriae, sylph, undine, and oread should have been fey.
It makes no sense to move sylph, undine, and oread into another creature tpye, but not the ifrit.
It makes no sense to move sylph, undine, and oread into another creature type, but not the ifrit.
I think the reason for that is
the names Sylph, Undine, and Oread refer to sub-types of Nymph in real-life folk lore(Oread = mountain, Undine = water)
Ifrit on the other hand is another name for the Efreet.
Let me get this straight:
Good Fey: Dryad / Nymph / Pixie / Satyr / Grig / Faun
Umm... Just to get things straight: Satyrs are NEUTRAL (CN, to be precise) - in both D&D and Pathfinder. Fauns are the good counterparts to Satyrs.
Creatures that should have been fey in my opinion: All Hags except for Night Hag, Sylph, Oread, Undine, Spriggan, Dullahan, Yuki Onna, maybe Leshies but I don't mind them being plants as wel, Mothman, Wendigo, Will o Wisp, Pukwudgie, Vodyanoi, Dark Naga, maybe all Trolls, Saumen Kar, Valkyrie, Jorogumo, Drekavac, Thriae, Fachen, Qalluppallik and Popobala.
I agree with most of these (particularly the bolded monsters), while I'm indifferent to the others. I also think that Banshee, Triton and Selkie - even merfolk and siren! - should be added to your list. (^_')=b
Carry on!
-- C.
I agree that yuki-onna, wendigo, hags, willow wisp, spriggins, vodyanoi, thriae, sylph, undine, and oread should have been fey.
Then elves and especially half-evles should be fey too.
It makes no sense to move half-humans or humanoids into another category. Especially if you look at the logic of ARG.
Do they have fauns in Pathfinder?
Do they have fauns in Pathfinder?
Indeed, they do: Bestiary 3, page 114, or here in the PRD.
Valkyrie as fey? Now that wouldn't be right. Lol
As for Spriggans, in Pathfinder they are an offshoot of gnome... First Workd reacted anyway.
I think the valkyrie represents death and spirits, maybe i'm just too much into the 4th edition D&D feyworld. Where all fey represent stuff of nature.
I think gnomes could make good fey as wel, i'm not a big fan of gnomes being a playable race, i'm more into the mythological gnomes of earth, I don't like it that Undine, Sylph and Oread got turned into playable races rather saw them as the mythological versions.
Since elves in Pathfinder are from another planet and not the first world I don't see them as fey but the D&D version yes I think they should have been fey.
I would be fine as Gnomes as fey.
Undine was the name of a particular mermaid not a type of creature.
Sylphs were a type of wind spirit so I could see them as fey.
Oread are mountain nymphs just as Dryads are tree nymphs.
In many games Undine became the elemental of water spirit.
Valkyrie as fey? Now that wouldn't be right. Lol
As for Spriggans, in Pathfinder they are an offshoot of gnome... First Workd reacted anyway.
Why does autocorrect always screw things up worse?
Anyway, yeah... Valkyries are spirits of life and death... but are not fey.. at least those of us that are actual Odinists don't view them as fey. I can see where people might though.
Nope. That piece is from some of the internal art for Realm of the Fellnight Queen.
What are those creatures on the cover? Korred?
No they are fellnight Spriggins wich are spriggins with the bramble template that makes them the plant type with other plant-related abilities.
But spriggans aren't fey right? strange choice in temperary art :p
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Spriggans are gnomes. Gnomes in Golarion have background ties to the First World. The First World is heavy on the fey. Thus spriggans have a fey theme to them the same as regular gnomes. It basically boils down to the associative property.
Also in the adventure the picture is from it makes a lot of sense and there are further explanations, which are part of the story, that is actually quite cool.
I hope they update the art/product description soon.
Most fey in this book (Nuckelavee and Redcap for example) already have the most beautiful art I could imagen.
Too bad the korred and Quickling aren't in this one, they are the fey that really need new artwork updates.
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Holy crap -- I feel like a kid at Christmas time! The Pathfinder Art Facebook page just posted this product's cover image, and it is AWESOME.
It's like Where's Waldo, but with a bunch of fey that also happen to be in the book.
(If this image has already been posted somewhere, I apologize for my manic enthusiasm.)
Ooooh.
Pretty!