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Scarab Sages

So, it's wrapping paper with a 1" square grid? Doesn't Seem Very green to me, nor does it seem economical, since I've had my battlemaps for 10 years, I know paper for gaming doesn't last 10 years. (unless you get some Vellum sheets.)

EDIT: HAH what a waste of my 2000th post.

Also, did someone from gaming paper buy this on Paizo just to review it? Seems a bit odd that it gets a 5 star review from someone who has only posted once...but I could be wrong.

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Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:

So, it's wrapping paper with a 1" square grid? Doesn't Seem Very green to me, nor does it seem economical, since I've had my battlemaps for 10 years, I know paper for gaming doesn't last 10 years. (unless you get some Vellum sheets.)

EDIT: HAH what a waste of my 2000th post.

Also, did someone from gaming paper buy this on Paizo just to review it? Seems a bit odd that it gets a 5 star review from someone who has only posted once...but I could be wrong.

I've looked into it, and I have no reason to believe that the reviewer has any association with the product's manufacturer. (Among other things, they're not even located in the same country.) He may not post often, but he's not a recent signup.

Sovereign Court

I ordered some off their website around gen con. Works as advertised, it is paper with a grid on it :).


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Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:
So, it's wrapping paper with a 1" square grid? Doesn't Seem Very green to me, nor does it seem economical, since I've had my battlemaps for 10 years, I know paper for gaming doesn't last 10 years. (unless you get some Vellum sheets.)

The plus of using paper is that you can draw something on it and then cut it out. I've made several dungeons and keeps and such and then cut them out room by room as the PCs explore. I'm not good at drawing quickly so it allows me to have a well-drawn map without slowing down the session too much.

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Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:
So, it's wrapping paper with a 1" square grid? Doesn't Seem Very green to me, nor does it seem economical, since I've had my battlemaps for 10 years, I know paper for gaming doesn't last 10 years. (unless you get some Vellum sheets.)

You could always save truly epic battles as gift wrapping for presents to members of your gamer group.

"What the?!!? You wrapped my present in the battle that killed my halfling cleric!?!?!?"


It would also work very well for people who GM PFS scenarios more than once.

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Kyle Baird wrote:
It would also work very well for people who GM PFS scenarios more than once.

I bought a roll at GenCon for just that purpose, intending to predraw maps and then fold them up and keep them for future use. Sadly, I left the roll at a stop on the road home and it never made it all the way back with me. I hope my FLGS starts to carry it soon, as I really don't want to pay shipping on a product that only costs a few bucks.

Grand Lodge

I've used a flip chart pad with 1" squares on it before for this same purpose, although the rolled product has the advantage of letting you make bigger maps on one piece of paper, and it looks to be a less expensive alternative.

The flip chart worked pretty well for pre-drawn maps. For on-the-fly maps, I use a hard plastic battlemat and dry-erase markers.


I bought a roll of this at the local game store and gave to our DM as a gift. Next session he had an entire battle laid out inside a volcano that he made using several different colored markers. Because he was able to draw it out beforehand, it looked much nicer than if he had drawn it right then on a wet-erase battlemat.

This is comparable to those 1" grid easel pads you can buy at Staples and other office supply stores. The advantage of gaming paper is that it can be rolled out and laid flat each time. It also has a much more appealing color than the bright white of the easel pads I've used before. Plus it has 12 feet of continuous grid to work with.

Great for the DM on the go. I plan on using it the next time I DM a Living D&D game.

Grand Lodge

I've gotten to mess with the stuff (been following it since the beginning) and have thoroughly enjoyed it.

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This is EXACTLY what I needed... A Pad of Graphed paper at Staples costs $30 for 27 x 34 and 50 sheets. I don't wanna lay out $30 bucks when I can pay $4 and I only need enough paper to make a few reusable set pieces because we have a sheet of glass on a grid board and use dry erase for quick encounters.

--Vrock Market Crash!


King of Vrock wrote:

This is EXACTLY what I needed... A Pad of Graphed paper at Staples costs $30 for 27 x 34 and 50 sheets. I don't wanna lay out $30 bucks when I can pay $4 and I only need enough paper to make a few reusable set pieces because we have a sheet of glass on a grid board and use dry erase for quick encounters.

--Vrock Market Crash!

I knocked together a 1"x1" grid in Adobe Illustrator and printed 2 copies on A4, then photocopied them onto A3. Cheap (free, actually, as I used our school's supplies and photocopier) and modular.

Zo


I've done something like this for awhile now. I picked up one of those huge easel pads of graph paper and taped two sheets together to draw a airship to scale for a eberron game I was running. (I still have the airship somewhere) I also have battlemats that I use for less permanent maps. Both can be useful at times.

I can say that having grid paper is allot lighter for a traveling DM and allows you to draw out all you maps ahead of time.


Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:

I've had my battlemaps for 10 years, I know paper for gaming doesn't last 10 years. (unless you get some Vellum sheets.)

I have shelves and boxes full of gaming notes and maps on paper, much of which is 20-30 years old and has held up just fine.

I just ran one adventure with a 200 foot roll of the grid paper... It is wonderful for preserving hand-drawn maps for future use, return trips, separate groups, etc.

Only issue I see is that it is a bit unwieldy at the table... So, my next set with this will be to cut it into poster-sized sheets...


What is the weight/thickness of this paper? The stuff I am using now is a rather light, probably about 18lb. Would prefer 20 or 24lb paper.


BTW, I am a bit surprised no one has commented on the "Paperback Writer" Beatles reference. Of course, the tune will be playing in my head all day now - thanks :)

Sczarni

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Michael Donovan wrote:
What is the weight/thickness of this paper? The stuff I am using now is a rather light, probably about 18lb. Would prefer 20 or 24lb paper.

It's pretty light, but it is treated with some sort of clay-like substance. This makes it stand up to more abuse than normal paper of a higher wieght. if you watch the videos on youtube, it withstands spills, ect, and can even be ironed flat again.


zylphryx wrote:


You could always save truly epic battles as gift wrapping for presents to members of your gamer group.

"What the?!!? You wrapped my present in the battle that killed my halfling cleric!?!?!?"

that's Just evil man i will have to do that to some of my pcs.

as for being green well that's all dependent on the amount of recycled vs new mats that go into the paper , but over all paper is one of the greener products in common usage , (is fully bio degradable, uses a renewable product as its base and if done right adds little to the carbon foot path of the end user.

also at 4.00 it cheeper than an office supply store which you can only get sheets cut at 27" and will run you 15.00+ for just twice the size


There is an even cheaper alternative to this, but I do not know it it is available in the USA.

In the Netherlands you can buy sticky transparent plastic foil in rolls. It has backing paper with a grid on it, which shines through the foil. I have been using it for years as a battle mat, drawing on the foil.
I just glue pieces of foil on a piece of cardboard, and I have a battlemat as large as I want. At the moment I am using my third battle mat in 20+ years, so for the low price it is even quite durable.

Alternatively, I can also predraw on this foil and cut the maps out, just as with this paper.

Sovereign Court

Years and years ago before battlemats were commonly available (and when they were, they were pretty expensive), I made a "Battle Board" out of a sewing pattern board. I covered it in clear contact paper so we could use dry erase markers on it, and it folded up to a 3'x1' portable yet sturdy cardboard battlemat. It unfolded to 6'x3', which fit on most people's dining room tables. Cost me about $10 worth of material that you can get at any craft store.

Sadly, a leaky trunk marked the end of our Battle Board.

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Michael Donovan wrote:
BTW, I am a bit surprised no one has commented on the "Paperback Writer" Beatles reference. Of course, the tune will be playing in my head all day now - thanks :)

I am glad somebody noticed! Vic and I have been playing Beatles Rockband pretty steadily, so I have nothing but Beatles songs in my head all day.

-Lisa


When can we get it in Hex ?


Joana wrote:
Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:
So, it's wrapping paper with a 1" square grid? Doesn't Seem Very green to me, nor does it seem economical, since I've had my battlemaps for 10 years, I know paper for gaming doesn't last 10 years. (unless you get some Vellum sheets.)
The plus of using paper is that you can draw something on it and then cut it out. I've made several dungeons and keeps and such and then cut them out room by room as the PCs explore. I'm not good at drawing quickly so it allows me to have a well-drawn map without slowing down the session too much.

Oooh, good idea. I've always been looking for innovative ways to map out dungeons quickly without having to erase each room they go into and draw a new one on the grid. I don't like the idea of just giving them the full layout on the grid, and prefer to show them only what they can see. I'm gonna give this a try!

Sovereign Court

What's the bottom side like? Is it slippery? Do the cut outs move a lot when assembled or is there a non-slip surface? Just wondering?


Can you laminate it? How does dry/wet erase work on things that are laminated at the local office shop?

Might be cool for sites that are visited often, the local tavern that the PCs usually frequent, or the HQ of the NPC who frequently hires PCs. Perhaps a generic sewer system that can be periodically tweaked with a paper overlay. An opportunity to create a custom library of frequented sites, perhaps specific to the area in which the PCs usually adventure. Just some thoughts...

Grand Lodge

I guess I didn't comment because I thought it was really obvious. I finally got to play again after moving, made it through story mode for a second time (well almost, there are still 2 songs left)

Lisa Stevens wrote:
Michael Donovan wrote:
BTW, I am a bit surprised no one has commented on the "Paperback Writer" Beatles reference. Of course, the tune will be playing in my head all day now - thanks :)

I am glad somebody noticed! Vic and I have been playing Beatles Rockband pretty steadily, so I have nothing but Beatles songs in my head all day.

-Lisa


This is one case where its definitely better to order directly from the manufacturer if you want more than one roll. Cost per roll is the same, but shipping is reduced.

Gamingpaper.com

Definitely a cool product! I'm going to see how well it holds up, going to use it to make my life easier on the upcoming battles in Scarwall, and later Castle Korvosa

Scarab Sages

Luna eladrin wrote:

There is an even cheaper alternative to this, but I do not know it it is available in the USA.

In the Netherlands you can buy sticky transparent plastic foil in rolls. It has backing paper with a grid on it, which shines through the foil. I have been using it for years as a battle mat, drawing on the foil.
I just glue pieces of foil on a piece of cardboard, and I have a battlemat as large as I want. At the moment I am using my third battle mat in 20+ years, so for the low price it is even quite durable.

Alternatively, I can also predraw on this foil and cut the maps out, just as with this paper.

That's what I do, too. The sort I get has 20mm grid, which isn't compatible with today's trends, but that's not a problem, since many of the published floorplans from my day were in that scale (Games Workshop Dungeon Floorplans and Heroquest boards).

Does yours have 20mm or 25mm grid?

It can be wiped clean, and stubborn pen marks can usually be removed with a bit of rubbing with a bleached cloth. If you roll it up too tightly, you can rub off dry-erase lines.

It does start to wrinkle, after you've rolled it up and down for a few years (if you'll pardon the expression).

Last session, I rolled out the film to find a clean space, and redicovered a map I'd drawn five years ago.


Twowlves wrote:


Years and years ago before battlemats were commonly available (and when they were, they were pretty expensive), I made a "Battle Board" out of a sewing pattern board. I covered it in clear contact paper so we could use dry erase markers on it, and it folded up to a 3'x1' portable yet sturdy cardboard battlemat. It unfolded to 6'x3', which fit on most people's dining room tables. Cost me about $10 worth of material that you can get at any craft store.

Sadly, a leaky trunk marked the end of our Battle Board.

I did the same thing! At the time, I was in college, so I just laminated the sewing board and we opened it up on the floor and used it as our battleboard and play area. (One of my friends gave me oversided/overpadded/reinforced "floor pillows" that gave wach of us a 30"X30"x8" thick cushion to sit on, so it worked well).

Like yours though, mine got wet and was eventually ruined, but we got about 8 years out of it.


I'm going to stick with my Battlemaps (because I have so many of 'em!), but if I was starting from scratch I'd probably buy these. The reason being is that you have to erase the Battlemaps but with paper you can keep your maps forever. Very useful if the PCs decide to come back to an area later on. Or just for nostalgia.

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Ogrork the Mighty wrote:
I'm going to stick with my Battlemaps (because I have so many of 'em!), but if I was starting from scratch I'd probably buy these. The reason being is that you have to erase the Battlemaps but with paper you can keep your maps forever. Very useful if the PCs decide to come back to an area later on. Or just for nostalgia.

What battle maps do you have? PAIZO maps are good, but I also print out battlemaps from users, web sites, and drop old maps from books into photoshop and print with low resolution.

You're right. Keeping maps is wonderful for a gm. The opportunity to reuse is wonderful. I've mounted two doorstoppers into the mid-wall trim and use plastic poster snaps to hold each large battle map. Its almost like my old history classes, where the prof would pull down a map of the Holy Roman Empire from its "hanger"; very useful.

I wondered.......... how is the bottom side of the paper? Does it have enough grit to keep from sliding on a table. I ask because I like the idea of cutting individual rooms and laying out as needed (as suggested above). HOWEVER, as with dungeon tiles, I need to lay down black shelf-liner first to keep all the pieces from slipping/sliding. It works incredibly well. But if gaming paper doesn't slide too much - I will move to using it for a while. Please advise if you know. Thanks.

Sovereign Court

Pax Veritas wrote:
Ogrork the Mighty wrote:
I'm going to stick with my Battlemaps (because I have so many of 'em!), but if I was starting from scratch I'd probably buy these. The reason being is that you have to erase the Battlemaps but with paper you can keep your maps forever. Very useful if the PCs decide to come back to an area later on. Or just for nostalgia.

What battle maps do you have? PAIZO maps are good, but I also print out battlemaps from users, web sites, and drop old maps from books into photoshop and print with low resolution.

You're right. Keeping maps is wonderful for a gm. The opportunity to reuse is wonderful. I've mounted two doorstoppers into the mid-wall trim and use plastic poster snaps to hold each large battle map. Its almost like my old history classes, where the prof would pull down a map of the Holy Roman Empire from its "hanger"; very useful.

I wondered.......... how is the bottom side of the paper? Does it have enough grit to keep from sliding on a table. I ask because I like the idea of cutting individual rooms and laying out as needed (as suggested above). HOWEVER, as with dungeon tiles, I need to lay down black shelf-liner first to keep all the pieces from slipping/sliding. It works incredibly well. But if gaming paper doesn't slide too much - I will move to using it for a while. Please advise if you know. Thanks.

It feels very similar to wrapping paper. The writing surface is smooth and a bit shiny. The back is rougher, it feels like regular paper (but thinner).

When I laid out a big encounter made up of individual sections (the scribbler's temple from Rise of the Runelords) I put it down on top of a large vinyl battle map and it didn't slide around.


Pax Veritas wrote:
Ogrork the Mighty wrote:
I'm going to stick with my Battlemaps (because I have so many of 'em!), but if I was starting from scratch I'd probably buy these. The reason being is that you have to erase the Battlemaps but with paper you can keep your maps forever. Very useful if the PCs decide to come back to an area later on. Or just for nostalgia.

What battle maps do you have? PAIZO maps are good, but I also print out battlemaps from users, web sites, and drop old maps from books into photoshop and print with low resolution.

You're right. Keeping maps is wonderful for a gm. The opportunity to reuse is wonderful. I've mounted two doorstoppers into the mid-wall trim and use plastic poster snaps to hold each large battle map. Its almost like my old history classes, where the prof would pull down a map of the Holy Roman Empire from its "hanger"; very useful.

Thanks.

As I've said before, I'm something of a prop whore and I collect gameing maps, so I'll probably end up getting these.

Right now, I have 2 milk crates full fo pre-generated maps, including:

Dungeon Floor Plans 1-4
Dungeon Rooms
Dungeon Corridors
All of the D&D Dungeon Tiles
Three sets of the Advanced Heroquest Rooms and Tiles
Warhammerquest Rooms and Tiles
Nightmare at Blackmarsh (one of the best)
Several 4E maps and Adventures
All of the Dragon/ Dungeon Maps
LOTR Maps
Runequest Maps (They did a few small sets in the 80s)
GURPS Maps (Including the original Man-to-Man Maps...all of these are great because they all match up)
LAW Maps
TFT Maps
D&D Castle
Kidnapping of Princess Arelnia (TSR's first foray into the genre)
Revenge of Rusak (part 2 of KoPA, complete with 3d forest and waterfall-waterfall has hidden tunnel behind the removable water...)
All of the Gamemastery Tiles and Flip Maps
Lots of old Heroquest Maps
Chainmail Maps
Dundjinni Maps
And more...

I love all of the new stuff, especially Tac-Tiles and the Gamemastery accessories...so this gaming paper should be well worth it. My FLGS is looking at getting a display full...

So, what are some of your favorites


You know, I'm almost tempted to pick some of this up if only for the fact that I could draw out maps for the my next session, and not have to redraw anything when I don't run for two weeks and have to draw new maps in between (I run Star Wars Saga one week and then Pathfinder Society on the other week).


KnightErrantJR wrote:
You know, I'm almost tempted to pick some of this up if only for the fact that I could draw out maps for the my next session, and not have to redraw anything when I don't run for two weeks and have to draw new maps in between (I run Star Wars Saga one week and then Pathfinder Society on the other week).

This is a lot of why i've picked up some, since while we play pathfinder exclusively we have two alternating games, one CotCT and one Second Darkness, so the maps vary wildly. Simple maps i don't mind redrawing but the more complex ones are a pain to redraw, especially if the PCs decide to revisit it randomly. Now i won't have to have to rush to redraw an old area :)

Scarab Sages

gigglestick wrote:

As I've said before, I'm something of a prop whore and I collect gameing maps, so I'll probably end up getting these.

Right now, I have 2 milk crates full fo pre-generated maps, including:

...long list...

I love all of the new stuff, especially Tac-Tiles and the Gamemastery accessories...so this gaming paper should be well...

You are indeed a prop-whore.

You sound like a guy who'd remember this, so...
How about Dunsinane Castle, from MacDeath?


Xaaon of Xen'Drik wrote:
So, it's wrapping paper with a 1" square grid? Doesn't Seem Very green to me

Agreed. Bad spin to point out that it can be recycled (as is almost all non-coated paper). And if it is coated, it might only be recyclable in some municipalities!

If the manufacturer wanted to print on "recycled content" paper, then at least that lowers the environmental downside and could be a green angle worth mentioning. Otherwise, using a reusable battlemap may be greener in the long run. You have the issues of polyvinyl chloride (particularly to the workers that make the stuff) vs. the ongoing impacts of the paper manufacture process (including effects on communities/waterways). Still, the "recylable" tag is a lame attempt to counter the disposable nature of this item and should be removed from the description.


Likely has less impact on the environment than driving to your buddies house to go play a game.

In particular since it's designed to be durable and reusable, not tossed away after a single use. Compare this to the giant post it's some folks have used and it's down right eco-friendly.


A counter argument to the "not very economical" argument...

After drawing a map that you really like you can just take it to Kinkos and have it lamenated. I've done that with several of the paper mats I get with adventures. :)


Any word on when it will be back in stock. I tried going to their site but PayPal won't let me log in so I would rather get this through you folks.

Liberty's Edge

I just bought two more rolls from my local gaming shop. I really like it. For an additional $2.98 you can buy 2 20" x 30" foam boards from Wal-Mart. Then spray some 3M glue to the foam board, have a friend help you apply the game paper to both sides (Do one side at a time so you don't glue it to your table. I have been making my maps for Pathfinder Society Scenarios this way (At least the ones that are not flip maps or tiles). Then I can use them over and over again.

For a simple map, I will continue to use my battle mat and just erase it when I am done, but when I need a detailed map or it will take a while to draw, I do it ahead of time with this product.

I wish they would make rolls in light green and light grey too!


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I actually put it inside my gaming table, taped it down, and put a sheet of plexiglass over the top. That way I can draw whatever I want on it and then erase it when I am done.

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silverhair2008 wrote:
Any word on when it will be back in stock. I tried going to their site but PayPal won't let me log in so I would rather get this through you folks.

We found 8 more rolls and I've requested a restock so get them while the gettin' is good!

Grand Lodge

Just a note, Gaming Paper is having a giveaway over at their site.

http://www.gamingpaper.com

The Exchange

Makes me miss one prop I used to have. I forget the name at the moment, but it consisted of a metal core floor plate with a grid designed to look like stone flooring and a set of wall and door pieces with small magnets on their bases, so that I could set up a small dungeon for an encounter, and then re-arrange the walls as needed for other encounters. It added a really nice touch to a game back in the day, when the players could actually get a look at what the dungeon area looked like, with walls and passages and such.

I've still got my battlemats, one with square grid and the other with hex grid. I've also got a paper map that I drew back in 03. I was actually surprised to find it amidst other items when I recently moved. Its on a 17x22 sheet with 1" square grid. As I recall, it was a bit on the pricey side, as I paid maybe fifteen or twenty bucks for four sheets when I found it. I would love to find it again, but this gamingpaper seems to be the way to go to replace it.

Scarab Sages

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Shadowheart wrote:
Makes me miss one prop I used to have. I forget the name at the moment, but it consisted of a metal core floor plate with a grid designed to look like stone flooring and a set of wall and door pieces with small magnets on their bases, so that I could set up a small dungeon for an encounter, and then re-arrange the walls as needed for other encounters. It added a really nice touch to a game back in the day, when the players could actually get a look at what the dungeon area looked like, with walls and passages and such.

Was this made for gaming purposes or was part of another game? I played in a game and the DM had this. I didn't think about it until years later and I tried to find it but had no idea what I was looking for.

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@Cralius: It was generic dungeon stuff for any game. I wish I could find it today. I don't recall the name of what I had, but there are other things like that now. On one hand, I've seen one of two companies who sold products like that...3d dungeons with floors, walls and such. On the other hand, if you want to invest the time, effort and resources, World Works Games (http://www.worldworksgames.com/store/) has some wonderful paper models for use in gaming with standard 1" miniatures. I have a few of their patterns, just need the cardstock, transperencies and extra ink cartridges...lol.


Cralius the Dark wrote:
Shadowheart wrote:
Makes me miss one prop I used to have. I forget the name at the moment, but it consisted of a metal core floor plate with a grid designed to look like stone flooring and a set of wall and door pieces with small magnets on their bases, so that I could set up a small dungeon for an encounter, and then re-arrange the walls as needed for other encounters. It added a really nice touch to a game back in the day, when the players could actually get a look at what the dungeon area looked like, with walls and passages and such.
Was this made for gaming purposes or was part of another game? I played in a game and the DM had this. I didn't think about it until years later and I tried to find it but had no idea what I was looking for.

I knew someone with a couple sets of those, I think his are for some sort of miniatures game.

I remember it being called something like "ninganos" (pronounced neen ga nos)

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Ressy wrote:

I knew someone with a couple sets of those, I think his are for some sort of miniatures game.

I remember it being called something like "ninganos" (pronounced neen ga nos)

Nîn-Gonost? We used to carry it, but it's long gone, aside from a couple copies of the rulebook.


You could use a sheet of clear acrylic over this stuff, and mark on the acrylic with dry erase markers. That makes it almost infinitely reusable. The acrylic can also overlay maps and images and such, to protect them. .003x36"x24" Sheets are less than $3 at a local plastics shop. You can even get some plastics distributors to print a permanent grid on the acrylic. We use these in our game and just print out map images that we slide under the acrylic. The GM can draw walls and obstacles and such all over the table. I bet you could even find a table cloth with one inch squares printed on it, or a bolt of fabric.

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