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Can we expect a Factotumumerum base class? :)
Hey, don't give away GM sekrets to the players! :D
I hope we get some traps that really scare people. :)
Sounds interesting...
Cunning archtypes and class options for never being ambushed again really makes me wonder.
If the Animal Archive is "animal companions for everybody," here's hoping this is something similar with regard to trapfinding...
We can only hope. Keeping the disarming of magical traps to characters with a specific class feature is, in my opinion, one of the few faulty mechanics that Pathfinder decided to keep from 3.5.
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If the Animal Archive is "animal companions for everybody," here's hoping this is something similar with regard to trapfinding...We can only hope. Keeping the disarming of magical traps to characters with a specific class feature is, in my opinion, one of the few faulty mechanics that Pathfinder decided to keep from 3.5.
Find trap, cast dispel magic, problem over.
If the Animal Archive is "animal companions for everybody," here's hoping this is something similar with regard to trapfinding...We can only hope. Keeping the disarming of magical traps to characters with a specific class feature is, in my opinion, one of the few faulty mechanics that Pathfinder decided to keep from 3.5.
I don't have a problem with this being restricted to characters with a specific class feature, but it would be nice to see this feature in more options. Aside from the rogue (assuming he doesn't take an archetype that loses it!) there are only two ranger archetypes that gain trapfinding (Urban Ranger and Trapper) and three bard archetypes that have other class features that allow this (Archivist's magic lore, Detective's arcane insight, and Sandman's master of deception abilities).
Edit: Additionally, I find the Detective archetype's gain ironic in this case, since the similarly themed Investigator archetype for the rogue *loses* trapfinding.
The ability to disable magic traps becomes a trait and everyone is happy :D
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By throwing halflings and bards into the trap to set them off? :)I hope we get some traps that really scare people. :)Since it's from a player-centric line, it's probably more how to avoid scary traps...
Back in the day, we used to buy a small flock of sheep to drive before us when we entered the dungeons. Found plenty of traps, but used to draw all sorts of hungry wandering monster.
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I don't have a problem with this being restricted to characters with a specific class feature, but it would be nice to see this feature in more options. Aside from the rogue (assuming he doesn't take an archetype that loses it!) there are only two ranger archetypes that gain trapfinding (Urban Ranger and Trapper) and three bard archetypes that have other class features that allow this (Archivist's magic lore, Detective's arcane insight, and Sandman's master of deception abilities).
The seeker archetype for the sorcerer and oracle classes also has a functionally-identical ability.
I don't have a problem with this being restricted to characters with a specific class feature, but it would be nice to see this feature in more options. Aside from the rogue (assuming he doesn't take an archetype that loses it!) there are only two ranger archetypes that gain trapfinding (Urban Ranger and Trapper) and three bard archetypes that have other class features that allow this (Archivist's magic lore, Detective's arcane insight, and Sandman's master of deception abilities).The seeker archetype for the sorcerer and oracle classes also has a functionally-identical ability.
Not familiar with that one. I was getting them from the PRD. However, I did just go through Inner Sea Magic and found the Crypt Breaker, for alchemists, also gets trapfinding.
Can we get a promise it's gonna be more Dungeonscape and less that atrocious Dungeon Survival Handbook from the dying days of 3.5?
Someone actually looked at the Dungeon Survival Guide?
I'm all for Cityscape ... just not that pointless phantom template thing, please. And no metamagic with weird types like "city damage." Might as well call it "bypass all immunities damage."
Heck, let's have more Dungeoneer's Survival Guide!
"Greaterst"?
By throwing halflings and bards into the trap to set them off? :)I hope we get some traps that really scare people. :)Since it's from a player-centric line, it's probably more how to avoid scary traps...
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Hey!By throwing halflings and bards into the trap to set them off? :)I hope we get some traps that really scare people. :)Since it's from a player-centric line, it's probably more how to avoid scary traps...
It works, just look at Nodwick
"Greaterst"?
D'oh. Fixed!
stories behind the Inner Sea region's most infamous dungeons
I'm surprised no one has commented on this part, yet.
I'm hoping we might get a taste of possibly a Technic League delver? If not anything dealing with dungeon delving would be great, its a stereotype many step away from. I'm glad to see we're returning to basics, and this will aid us in our escape from many a dungeon!
Okay! So there's still time! What do you REALLY want to see in here?
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*Flicks through PC Pearls*
A Paizo version of a lot of this stuff.
- Uses for mundane items.
- Utility spells and their uses, whether to buy scrolls or wands.
- Something about clerics being wasted as healbots.
- How to survive in certain conditions/terrains.
- 10 uses for a ten-foot poll
I think the PFSFG did well with how to overcome types of challenges. I'm of the mind that those probably shouldn't be duplicated.
I'd love to see some rules for quickly made devices players could use to help out in dungeons, and in other places. Small traps, rudimentary alarm systems, makeshift water purifiers.
Archetype for rogues for them to get Super Trapfinding, or something similar. Something other classes won't get.
And then make it easier for other classes to get trapfinding if they want. Specifically, the ability to disable magical traps. (As a trait?)
Personally, I'd love to see a bunch of player friendly trap options.
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Hmmm, upon reflection, I think I would prefer NOT to see some of the stuff Cheapy mentioned, for two reasons. First, this is in the Golarion-set Player Companion line, and second (related) is that I'm still holding out for Ultimate Skills or Ultimate Stealth or something that this would fit into. Also, Prestige Classes are almost always in the Campaign Setting line.
So. What does that leave us? Crunch-wise, feats, traits, items, and archetypes that reflect more Golarion-specific ideas. Fluffwise... I'd like to see more stuff on the Technic League myself. Perhaps some stuff on the crypts of Ustalav or Osirion. Or Geb - I'm sure breaking into crypts there has an entirely different legal ramification! :D
In fact, it would be kind of cool to look at each area and describe what kind of dungeons one would find there, and how best to generally prepare for tackling each.
I'd like to see a means by which the ability to detect & disarm magical traps can be acquired in play through some means other than class or archetype. Right now, you either have to choose correctly at character creation, or multiclass. PF seems to fairly strongly discourage most multiclassing (it immediately locks out capstone abilities, limits other class abilities, etc), so it kind of sucks if you have to "dip" into rogue or some other class-and-archetype just to get one ability.
Thus, I'd like to see a trait, feat, magic item, or some other option that an alert tinkerer mid-level ranger who keeps running into strange mystic traps in pyramids could choose to become capable of dealing with them during the course of a game.
(By January, I imagine the PCs in my Legacy of Fire game may be searching for such an option. :) )
If the Animal Archive is "animal companions for everybody," here's hoping this is something similar with regard to trapfinding...
+1. Inquisitors REALLY deserve it.
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If the Animal Archive is "animal companions for everybody," here's hoping this is something similar with regard to trapfinding...
We can only hope. Keeping the disarming of magical traps to characters with a specific class feature is, in my opinion, one of the few faulty mechanics that Pathfinder decided to keep from 3.5.
PF goes WoW...
To latch onto Derek Vande Brake's post, I'd like to see the types of traps most common to a specific area.
The most common traps in Osirion or the Mwangi Expanse are probably NOT the same as the most common traps in the River Kingdoms or Irrisen.
Another book .... yuk.
Talking about traps what i'd like would be examples of fun traps and how to play these traps in other ways than Roll perception OK Roll Disarm trap. OK... next.
Make it fun. But I believe this wouldn't be part of a companion handbook but more of a chronicles handbook.
EDIT: I hope it doesn't go the way the Dungeoners survival guide of AD&D went. This one was almost as bad as Wilderness Survival Guide.
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If the Animal Archive is "animal companions for everybody," here's hoping this is something similar with regard to trapfinding...We can only hope. Keeping the disarming of magical traps to characters with a specific class feature is, in my opinion, one of the few faulty mechanics that Pathfinder decided to keep from 3.5.
ANyone can detect and disarm standard traps.
Any magic user (with dispel magic) can disarm a magical trap as well as the rogue.so please don't WoWerize pathfinder.
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If the Animal Archive is "animal companions for everybody," here's hoping this is something similar with regard to trapfinding...We can only hope. Keeping the disarming of magical traps to characters with a specific class feature is, in my opinion, one of the few faulty mechanics that Pathfinder decided to keep from 3.5.ANyone can detect and disarm standard traps.
Any magic user (with dispel magic) can disarm a magical trap as well as the rogue.so please don't WoWerize pathfinder.
This. +100 times this.
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I can't believe that people are asking for more ways to make traps even LESS effective than they already are. Any trap encounter that's even remotely within the standard CR range is going to be laughable inadequate at actually doing more than superficial damage to the party.
Encounters of CR equal to the party are speed bumps that are supposed to force the party to blow some resources and move on.
Encounters of CR+1 are supposed to be challenging, CR+2 are supposed to be dangerous and CR+3 is wipe territory.
Say, a level 1 party bumps into a CR 4 trap that deals 4d6 damage Ref 20 in a radius - that's a TPK chance, just as it should be.
No, this ain't 1E/2E "screw you" traps. The people who like those are playing some other game, like S&W or C&C or DCCRPG.
PF goes WoW...
I 100% fail to see the point of this statement.
Some History.
Since Classic World of Warcraft, only one class has been able to even detect, let alone disarm traps (WoW's Rogue class). Off the top of my head, I can immediately think of five classes that can do so in Pathfinder now (alchemist, bard, rogue, ninja, witch). Now, granted that the witch and bard can't gain this ability until higher level, but the option exists if one wishes to take it and that is a good thing.
Why? Well, simply put, even if there are other ways to avoid magical traps (such as the previously mentioned dispel magic), many GMs simply will not employ traps if the party does not possess Trapfinding. Ironically enough, this is actually what happened in World of Warcraft; prior to Wrath of the Lich King, only one raid employed the use of traps (that raid was Blackwing Lair, from Classic Warcraft). That means you're looking at a several year period where Disarm Traps was a useless spell in a Rogue's tool kit.
And this SAME thing happens in many people's Pathfinder games. Remember, just because it doesn't happen in YOUR game doesn't mean that it doesn't happen period, and giving more characters more options to disarm traps is only going to make GMs and module writers more comfortable employing traps in their works.
So you could say that the best way to avoid "WoW-icizing" Pathfinder is to make sure that players have more options when dealing with traps.
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some ideas:
I want to see some 'mundane' gear and low level magic items that aid in surviving a trek into a dungeon. Some in-game 'books' that could be referenced for a bonus on various skill checks(heal knowledge etc). Maybe some dungeon survival kits. Stuff that will make the players decide, if they want to add a +1 to their sword, or get some of this stuff which can help them survive.
I would like to see some more traps too, but I think that is more of a GM book material.
An option for Inquisitors to get trapfinding. Bards and Rangers already have options to get it, this is the other class that I feel could use an archtype or other option for it.
How about an article geared towards new(er) players on how/what to expect when in a dungeon, and how to increase chances of survival. Like a real world survival guide.
Off the top of my head, I can immediately think of five classes that can do so in Pathfinder now (alchemist, bard, rogue, ninja, witch).
I missed something- how does a witch gain trapfinding? O_o
White Haired Witch archetype from one of the Tian Xia books.
If you mean this one, it doesn't grant trapfinding.
PF goes WoW...
I 100% fail to see the point of this statement.
Oh, didn't notice someone was responding to my post. My comment wasn't targeted at this book specifically.
And I deem it absolutely legit, that I argue from my pov - it's a forum after all.You like traps in your games that are there to deal insignificant damage to the group just to serve as speedbumps? Than please make sure you have a rogue with you.
For what I've seen and experienced that's not what people like to see in their games (again: see above). If this trap now holds a clue to further the adventure or is a puzzle to be solved by skill checks in game or needs wrecking one's own brain out-of-game - much better.
While I like to see more cool things for players, I hate it when things get too blurry.
We already have feats that let's every class gain a sorc's bloodline based abilities, we will get a book which grants everybody an AC, now everybody will be able to deal with all kinds of traps. Next one's a book about how to grant healing to every martial class out there?
(Notice the exaggeration?)
I like well defined roles in a group of PCs. If every class can do the cool class-defining things of other classes the need for going on an adventure as a group is nil.
I think it's more fun to have specialists, each having their own schtick going and adding up to more than their mere sum.
TL;DR?
My take on it:
You want to try new classes and are sick of having to stick to rogue-fighter-cleric-wizard? Talk to your GM - it's her job to make the fun happen for everybody.
What I do understand is the need for Paizo to introduce new content regularly to keep their company a going concern. Only because I buy some of their books doesn't mean I have to like everything they publish.
Ruyan.
EDIT: BTW, I joined WoW in closed beta (and I'm more than happy I left 2 years ago); no preaching necessary.
If you mean this one, it doesn't grant trapfinding.
Yea, that's the one I meant. Guess it doesn't work for them. There are a few spells that can do it, but I doubt they meant that. Perhaps they meant the Seeker Oracle / Sorcerer archetype.
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I'd love to see a GM Companion to this that has some random charts like the ones that were in the 1st ed DMG back in the day ;)