paizo.com Recent Posts in Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A <i>Dark Roads and Golden Hells</i> Supplement (PFRPG) PDF Discussionpaizo.com Recent Posts in Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A <i>Dark Roads and Golden Hells</i> Supplement (PFRPG) PDF Discussion2014-03-03T23:56:09Z2014-03-03T23:56:09ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFEric Hinklehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#132012-08-11T00:50:05Z2012-08-11T00:50:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Paramo wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">gbonehead wrote:</div><blockquote>Believe me, it's been toned down so much from its initial incarnation that it's almost a different place. I haven't read it through, just scanned it, but near as I can tell, none of the frequent images that caused such discord have remained part of the final version. </blockquote>Any chance we can get an inside scoop what kinds of things were cut? </blockquote><p>I'm curious about this myself.Paramo wrote:gbonehead wrote:Believe me, it's been toned down so much from its initial incarnation that it's almost a different place. I haven't read it through, just scanned it, but near as I can tell, none of the frequent images that caused such discord have remained part of the final version.
Any chance we can get an inside scoop what kinds of things were cut? I'm curious about this myself.Eric Hinkle2012-08-11T00:50:05ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFParamohttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#122012-08-11T00:09:41Z2012-08-11T00:09:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">gbonehead wrote:</div><blockquote>Believe me, it's been toned down so much from its initial incarnation that it's almost a different place. I haven't read it through, just scanned it, but near as I can tell, none of the frequent images that caused such discord have remained part of the final version. </blockquote><p>Any chance we can get an inside scoop what kinds of things were cut?gbonehead wrote:Believe me, it's been toned down so much from its initial incarnation that it's almost a different place. I haven't read it through, just scanned it, but near as I can tell, none of the frequent images that caused such discord have remained part of the final version.
Any chance we can get an inside scoop what kinds of things were cut?Paramo2012-08-11T00:09:41ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFgboneheadhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#112012-08-10T22:09:27Z2012-08-10T22:09:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Hinkle wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Endzeitgeist wrote:</div><blockquote> Eric, from what I can recall of your different posts, I think you will definitely enjoy this one! </blockquote>I have to agree, I just read it and it's very well done (though really, someone quit over Mora? Why? It doesn't strike me as all that horrific.)</blockquote><p>Believe me, it's been toned down so much from its initial incarnation that it's almost a different place. I haven't read it through, just scanned it, but near as I can tell, none of the frequent images that caused such discord have remained part of the final version.Eric Hinkle wrote:Endzeitgeist wrote: Eric, from what I can recall of your different posts, I think you will definitely enjoy this one!
I have to agree, I just read it and it's very well done (though really, someone quit over Mora? Why? It doesn't strike me as all that horrific.)Believe me, it's been toned down so much from its initial incarnation that it's almost a different place. I haven't read it through, just scanned it, but near as I can tell, none of the frequent images that caused...gbonehead2012-08-10T22:09:27ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFWolfgang Baur (Kobold Press)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#102012-08-07T22:23:55Z2012-08-07T22:23:55Z<p>Crown of the Kobold King is pretty awesome. But I admit all my old editing instincts did seize up when I realized it was crossing the old "kids in danger" line.</p>Crown of the Kobold King is pretty awesome. But I admit all my old editing instincts did seize up when I realized it was crossing the old "kids in danger" line.Wolfgang Baur (Kobold Press)2012-08-07T22:23:55ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFEric Hinklehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#92012-08-07T19:02:16Z2012-08-07T19:02:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Wolfgang Baur wrote:</div><blockquote> RE: Mora, I think the use of children in fantasy is sort of a minefield. At the TSR periodicals, there was a total ban on children as victims for this reason. Yes, it can be well done. Yes, it is common in fantasy literature. But clearly, it really upsets people sometimes. I suspect that was the trigger in this case, though it is only a suspicion.</blockquote><p>I can get that. I remember wincing myself when the little wendigo-possessed kid bites it in the movie PET SEMATARY. Needle in the throat, shudder.
<p>But I remember several Paizo authors doing some horrible things to kids. Like in 'Crown of the Kobold King', where they may have gone overboard. I think every one of the kids rescued in that adventure ends up insane, a thug, or better off dead in the long run by the notes in back! </p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Wolfgang Baur wrote:</div><blockquote>That price... Seems really high, though a permanent item is always pricey. I'll ping the editor and designer on it, see if they visit this thread about it. </blockquote><p>Okay, thanks.Wolfgang Baur wrote:RE: Mora, I think the use of children in fantasy is sort of a minefield. At the TSR periodicals, there was a total ban on children as victims for this reason. Yes, it can be well done. Yes, it is common in fantasy literature. But clearly, it really upsets people sometimes. I suspect that was the trigger in this case, though it is only a suspicion.
I can get that. I remember wincing myself when the little wendigo-possessed kid bites it in the movie PET SEMATARY. Needle in...Eric Hinkle2012-08-07T19:02:16ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFWolfgang Baur (Kobold Press)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#82012-08-07T03:41:57Z2012-08-07T03:41:57Z<p>RE: Mora, I think the use of children in fantasy is sort of a minefield. At the TSR periodicals, there was a total ban on children as victims for this reason. Yes, it can be well done. Yes, it is common in fantasy literature. But clearly, it really upsets people sometimes. I suspect that was the trigger in this case, though it is only a suspicion.</p>
<p>That price... Seems really high, though a permanent item is always pricey. I'll ping the editor and designer on it, see if they visit this thread about it.</p>RE: Mora, I think the use of children in fantasy is sort of a minefield. At the TSR periodicals, there was a total ban on children as victims for this reason. Yes, it can be well done. Yes, it is common in fantasy literature. But clearly, it really upsets people sometimes. I suspect that was the trigger in this case, though it is only a suspicion.
That price... Seems really high, though a permanent item is always pricey. I'll ping the editor and designer on it, see if they visit this thread...Wolfgang Baur (Kobold Press)2012-08-07T03:41:57ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFEric Hinklehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#72012-08-07T03:37:11Z2012-08-07T03:37:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Endzeitgeist wrote:</div><blockquote> Eric, from what I can recall of your different posts, I think you will definitely enjoy this one! </blockquote><p>I have to agree, I just read it and it's very well done (though really, someone quit over Mora? Why? It doesn't strike me as all that horrific.)
<p>Also, just one question for now. The price listed for the Angel Mask (and it's one of the best magic items I've read about in a long time —- the materialized guilt felt by a celestial at using a mortal form to lie to people? Brilliant!) seems a bit high at 30,000 GP for something that basically works as a continuous one-form version of Alter Self. Or was that price a typo? </p>
<p>Or is it more a case of the things being so very rare that people would pay more than normal for them simply because, how often do you find physical evidence of the stain on an angel's soul?</p>Endzeitgeist wrote:Eric, from what I can recall of your different posts, I think you will definitely enjoy this one!
I have to agree, I just read it and it's very well done (though really, someone quit over Mora? Why? It doesn't strike me as all that horrific.) Also, just one question for now. The price listed for the Angel Mask (and it's one of the best magic items I've read about in a long time --- the materialized guilt felt by a celestial at using a mortal form to lie to people?...Eric Hinkle2012-08-07T03:37:11ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#62012-08-05T10:41:53Z2012-08-05T10:41:53Z<p>Eric, from what I can recall of your different posts, I think you will definitely enjoy this one!</p>Eric, from what I can recall of your different posts, I think you will definitely enjoy this one!Endzeitgeist2012-08-05T10:41:53ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFEric Hinklehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#52012-08-03T16:55:14Z2012-08-03T16:55:14Z<p>The brief description of Mora by End makes this sound like one of the creepiest places for kids I've heard of in a long time. Like <i>My Little Pony:Friendship is Magic</i> as run by Pennywise the Clown.</p>
<p>Heck, I'll probably get this just for that, as I've long loved dark fairy tale type places.</p>The brief description of Mora by End makes this sound like one of the creepiest places for kids I've heard of in a long time. Like My Little Pony:Friendship is Magic as run by Pennywise the Clown.
Heck, I'll probably get this just for that, as I've long loved dark fairy tale type places.Eric Hinkle2012-08-03T16:55:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#42012-08-03T10:29:28Z2012-08-03T10:29:28Z<p>Adn reviewed here, on DTRPG, posted about it on RPGaggression and sent to GMS magazine. Cheers!</p>Adn reviewed here, on DTRPG, posted about it on RPGaggression and sent to GMS magazine. Cheers!Endzeitgeist2012-08-03T10:29:28ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFWolfgang Baur (Kobold Press)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#32012-08-02T21:34:22Z2012-08-02T21:34:22Z<p>It really, really is. There just wasn't room to put everything in the print book, so the editor was faced with some tough choices about cuts. </p>
<p>It really says something about the talent of the designers that the editor said "I don't really recommend cutting anything, but if we have to.... Here's what I'd recommend."</p>
<p>I like the magical items and the planar diseases quite a bit.</p>It really, really is. There just wasn't room to put everything in the print book, so the editor was faced with some tough choices about cuts.
It really says something about the talent of the designers that the editor said "I don't really recommend cutting anything, but if we have to.... Here's what I'd recommend."
I like the magical items and the planar diseases quite a bit.Wolfgang Baur (Kobold Press)2012-08-02T21:34:22ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFDark_Mistresshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#22012-08-02T19:21:24Z2012-08-02T19:21:24Z<p>Sounds like a nice little add on.</p>Sounds like a nice little add on.Dark_Mistress2012-08-02T19:21:24ZForums: Product Discussion: Shadow Planes & Pocket Worlds: A iDark Roads and Golden Hells/i Supplement (PFRPG) PDFLiz Courts (Contributor)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8txn/discuss?Shadow-Planes-Pocket-Worlds-A-Dark-Roads-and-Golden-Hells-Supplement#12012-08-02T18:47:38Z2012-08-02T18:47:38Z<p>Now available!</p>Now available!Liz Courts (Contributor)2012-08-02T18:47:38Z