can't wait to see the kitsune, love me some shapechangers.
What the Sheet Phantom said!
Oh, and when it says "details on five new races", does that mean we'll get the full racial write-ups in this book, or will it just be a teaser?
They'll both have the info for the races. The Gazetteer (which is aimed primarily at GMs) will have a bit more info, but the Primer (which is aimed primarily at players, not GMs) will have a bit of the flavor text and all of the rules for the new races.whats the dference between this one and the gazzateer(sorry for my spelling)
I want one of them, which ever has the write ups for the races..
its the gazateer that I wantright?
Ah, never mind my previous comment, I should have just read a little more first. D'oh!
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You do realize that the Lotus Geisha could refer to the position. Obviously a bard archetype that emphasizes yoga in its performances.
HA! nope.
It's mostly called the "Lotus Geisha" becasue we wanted a vaguely Asian-themed word to differentiate the archetype from the generic geisha that appears in Ultimate Magic (which doesn't really do what I felt a geisha should do—the Lotus Geisha has a much stronger focus on enhancing enchantment effects, for one...).
Mmm... I wonder if the Lotus Geisha or normal gaisha might be appropreate to play a goze, inspired by Sara, from Samurai Champloo. Or perhaps there is some other way to do it.
I really hope this book has some martial arts style feats or some combat feats that are good for polearm-wielding characters.
I reached this desire after just trying to find appropriate feats for a polearm/reach weapon -using Inquisitor for PFS and reviewing Ultimate Combat and the other Pathfinder books I have and only finding one in Faiths of Purity for worshipers of Shelyn. Beyond that and the Fighter archetype there doesn't seem to be much for polearm or reach weapon users that aren't Fighters.
You do realize that the Lotus Geisha could refer to the position. Obviously a bard archetype that emphasizes yoga in its performances.
HA! nope.
It's mostly called the "Lotus Geisha" becasue we wanted a vaguely Asian-themed word to differentiate the archetype from the generic geisha that appears in Ultimate Magic (which doesn't really do what I felt a geisha should do—the Lotus Geisha has a much stronger focus on enhancing enchantment effects, for one...).
Out of interest, is the "drunken monk" touched on again in the new Dragon Empires content? I think of it as one of the most recognized tropes for the setting - so maybe like the lotus geisha a reprisal exists for it.
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You do realize that the Lotus Geisha could refer to the position. Obviously a bard archetype that emphasizes yoga in its performances.
HA! nope.
It's mostly called the "Lotus Geisha" becasue we wanted a vaguely Asian-themed word to differentiate the archetype from the generic geisha that appears in Ultimate Magic (which doesn't really do what I felt a geisha should do—the Lotus Geisha has a much stronger focus on enhancing enchantment effects, for one...).
Out of interest, is the "drunken monk" touched on again in the new Dragon Empires content? I think of it as one of the most recognized tropes for the setting - so maybe like the lotus geisha a reprisal exists for it.
We've done some "drunken master" stuff already for monks in the Advanced Player's Guide (the "drunken master" monk archetype appears on page 110 of that book), and so we didn't really feel the need to do much more—especially with space taken up by some things that really haven't been covered all that well specifically for Tian Xia.
When will we see the final cover art?
Yay more Witch stuff - the Witch is my favorite class & one of the reasons i left 4E for Pathfinder.
i hope there is a photo for the White Haired Witch too :)
Excited for the book.
Is there any way we can request Feiya avatar photo to be added? She doesnt have an avatar photo :(
Can you reveal what other archetypes will be in the primer? I'm hoping for one monk archetype - it's just so appropriate for the region.
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Can you reveal what other archetypes will be in the primer? I'm hoping for one monk archetype - it's just so appropriate for the region.
Not yet.... but soon, hopefully! (Although I have revealed that one of the four is the lotus geisha, a bard archetype... and I think I've revealed that another is the white-haired witch, a witch archetype that starts to blur the line a little between witch and rogue.)
Not yet.... but soon, hopefully! (Although I have revealed that one of the four is the lotus geisha, a bard archetype... and I think I've revealed that another is the white-haired witch, a witch archetype that starts to blur the line a little between witch and rouge.)
So its an ironically named archetype then? ;)
Not yet.... but soon, hopefully! (Although I have revealed that one of the four is the lotus geisha, a bard archetype... and I think I've revealed that another is the white-haired witch, a witch archetype that starts to blur the line a little between witch and rouge.)Can you reveal what other archetypes will be in the primer? I'm hoping for one monk archetype - it's just so appropriate for the region.
The names of all four were announced in the previews of "Faiths of Corruption": Lotus Geisha, Sword Saint, Spirit Hunter, and the White-Haired Witch. We just don't know what classes the Sword Saint and Spirit Hunter go to.
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Not yet.... but soon, hopefully! (Although I have revealed that one of the four is the lotus geisha, a bard archetype... and I think I've revealed that another is the white-haired witch, a witch archetype that starts to blur the line a little between witch and rouge.)So its an ironically named archetype then? ;)
Lame.
FORTUNATELY not enough time had passed and I was able to change that error!
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The names of all four were announced in the previews of "Faiths of Corruption": Lotus Geisha, Sword Saint, Spirit Hunter, and the White-Haired Witch. We just don't know what classes the Sword Saint and Spirit Hunter go to.
OH! Cool; glad I wasn't half-remembering something we hadn't announced yet!
In that case... I don't see a problem pulling the curtain back a tad more:
Lotus Geisha: bard archetype
White-Haired Witch: witch archetype
Sword Saint: samurai archetype
Yokai Hunter: ranger archetype (note the name change from "spirit hunter!")
No monk archetypes, in other words. There's some kung fu type feats though!
The names of all four were announced in the previews of "Faiths of Corruption": Lotus Geisha, Sword Saint, Spirit Hunter, and the White-Haired Witch. We just don't know what classes the Sword Saint and Spirit Hunter go to.OH! Cool; glad I wasn't half-remembering something we hadn't announced yet!
In that case... I don't see a problem pulling the curtain back a tad more:
Lotus Geisha: bard archetype
White-Haired Witch: witch archetype
Sword Saint: samurai archetype
Yokai Hunter: ranger archetype (note the name change from "spirit hunter!")No monk archetypes, in other words. There's some kung fu type feats though!
Awesome! I am glad to see an official Samurai archetype come into the game.
I knew that with a name that included the word, "hunter", that the Spirit Hunter - now Yokai Hunter - would be either a ranger or inquisitor archetype. Too bad it isn't for the inquisitor though. I haven't been too thrilled with any of that class's archetypes so far.
I was hoping that the witch archetype would add a tad bit of monk and martial arts to the witch's abilities. I hope the archetype doesn't disappoint - I don't like any of the witch archetypes so far and it is probably my favorite class; right there with magus and alchemist.
That is pretty epic though! The APG's cavalier didn't move me much - but the samurai alternate archetype has been great for me thus far:
I GM this one for my players and have adapted the samurai resolve ability to remain standing on negative hitpoints for the undead Tsutamu such that he could keep going once he reached 0 hit points. He even managed to drop the target of his challenge to regain one resolve, allowing him to remain standing one more turn. It became a very memorable finale to the marsh arc with the players having to pull together in creative ways to get through the encounter.
Also I've got a very enjoyable (samurai) character with a cheesy over-the-top background that gets himself into trouble on a regular basis. Due to his background he's sworn to protect a particular party member; and he drops whatever he's doing whenever she's in trouble. This has led to some great moments making unlikely leaps (in heavy armor) and running away from boss-fights to help his sworn-charge against a minion.
I can't wait to find out about the four new player races and more about the Tengu.
Also the Oni bloodline for Sorcerers sound very interesting to me
I would still like to see martial art achtypes for all of the classes one day.
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Will Samurai's be getting more orders?
Not really... There IS a new order called the "Order of the Black Daimyo" but it gets no new powers—it basically uses the normal samurai order but changes flavor text a little—these are lawful evil samurai who fight more for battle and sword glory than they do for anything else.
Nice new cover.
I love the cover art for the Dragon Empires series. It's as if the artist have just been waiting for the opportunity to do this kind of thing.
December... it's not thaaaat far away.
Is that suposed to be a Samurai or an Oni?
Is that suposed to be a Samurai or an Oni?
Maybe it's Samurai Oni? Toho Studios used to have a Samurai Joker...
It's obviously a pirate, who pilfered some samurai's stuff.
Or an Oni blooded Tiefling pirate that stole a samurai's equipment.
I, on the other hand am very interested in asian cultures/mythologies, as well as many other cultures. I like when fantasy games incorporate real world myths and cultures.
I, on the other hand am very interested in asian cultures/mythologies, as well as many other cultures. I like when fantasy games incorporate real world myths and cultures.
Me, too.
The cover art in all its glory
Oh yeah!
Just noticed that the preorder date got moved back to January. Shame I'm really looking foreword to this book.
On a side question does any one know (or willing to share) if there are any Ninja archetypes in this book?
On a side question does any one know (or willing to share) if there are any Ninja archetypes in this book?Nope; there's 4 archetypes in the book—one for bards, one for samurai, one for witches, and one for rangers.
Wait a sec ... I thought Ninja was an archetype, and that's why PCs couldn't multiclass rogue/ninja!
Now it's a full base class?
On a side question does any one know (or willing to share) if there are any Ninja archetypes in this book?Nope; there's 4 archetypes in the book—one for bards, one for samurai, one for witches, and one for rangers.Wait a sec ... I thought Ninja was an archetype, and that's why PCs couldn't multiclass rogue/ninja!
Now it's a full base class?
Actually it is an Alternate Class, so it is a bit of a grey area.
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On a side question does any one know (or willing to share) if there are any Ninja archetypes in this book?Nope; there's 4 archetypes in the book—one for bards, one for samurai, one for witches, and one for rangers.Wait a sec ... I thought Ninja was an archetype, and that's why PCs couldn't multiclass rogue/ninja!
Now it's a full base class?
Where did I say ninja's a base class?
Ninja is still an archetype. As is samurai.
You can have an archetype for an archetype. We've done one already for the antipaladin, for example.
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Actually it is an Alternate Class, so it is a bit of a grey area.On a side question does any one know (or willing to share) if there are any Ninja archetypes in this book?Nope; there's 4 archetypes in the book—one for bards, one for samurai, one for witches, and one for rangers.Wait a sec ... I thought Ninja was an archetype, and that's why PCs couldn't multiclass rogue/ninja!
Now it's a full base class?
Only real difference between "Archetype" and "Alternate class" is that an "Alternate class" gets its own art by Wayne Reynolds and gets all of its abilities plugged in for you on a table.
Only real difference between "Archetype" and "Alternate class" is that an "Alternate class" gets its own art by Wayne Reynolds and gets all of its abilities plugged in for you on a table.Actually it is an Alternate Class, so it is a bit of a grey area.On a side question does any one know (or willing to share) if there are any Ninja archetypes in this book?Nope; there's 4 archetypes in the book—one for bards, one for samurai, one for witches, and one for rangers.Wait a sec ... I thought Ninja was an archetype, and that's why PCs couldn't multiclass rogue/ninja!
Now it's a full base class?
But if you make an archetype for an alternate class can it only replace abilities from the original class then?
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But if you make an archetype for an alternate class can it only replace abilities from the original class then?Only real difference between "Archetype" and "Alternate class" is that an "Alternate class" gets its own art by Wayne Reynolds and gets all of its abilities plugged in for you on a table.Actually it is an Alternate Class, so it is a bit of a grey area.On a side question does any one know (or willing to share) if there are any Ninja archetypes in this book?Nope; there's 4 archetypes in the book—one for bards, one for samurai, one for witches, and one for rangers.Wait a sec ... I thought Ninja was an archetype, and that's why PCs couldn't multiclass rogue/ninja!
Now it's a full base class?
Nope. A samurai archetype has to be a samurai. A ninja archetype would have to be a ninja.
These types of archetypes are going to be VERY rare. So far, I believe that there's only 2, maybe 3 in existence, of which only 1 has yet been published.
I am more interested in the Oni bloodline then the archtypes anyway.
I still would like to see martial arts style archtypes for every class one day.
Well even though it got pushed back at least it is only about a month wait between this and Gazeteer.
I would also like to hardcover books like the innersea guide done for the other continents some day.
I am more interested in the Oni bloodline then the archtypes anyway.
Well, if you simply must have a game-balanced Oni bloodline for sorcerers, then Rite Publishing has one in their Wyrd of Questhaven PDF. It's also in their big In the Company of Monsters PDF, along with about a thousand other amazing gameable tidbits.
And hey, right now they're on sale!
I am not a fan of third party products, in fact the only one I got for 3.5 was the Tome of horrors I.
I hope it is early january when it comes out.
Will Samurai's be getting more orders?Not really... There IS a new order called the "Order of the Black Daimyo" but it gets no new powers—it basically uses the normal samurai order but changes flavor text a little—these are lawful evil samurai who fight more for battle and sword glory than they do for anything else.
You may have just convinced me to make a rival for a certain cocky, self absorbed, chaotic good Taldan cavalier of the cockatrice that one of my players is playing in my Jade Regent game.
will the gods be in this??
Yes, as well as in Dragon Empires Gazetteer.
With a significant portion of the primer dedicated to races and gods (essentially reprints from the gazetteer) what portion and content in the primer is dedicated to delicious freshness?