Paizo isn't publicly traded, it's a property of Lisa, Vic and a badger named Joe.
I was aware (well, except for Joe); hence my comment. ;-)
I wholeheartedly approve of this venture. I hope that it becomes a gateway into realms of imagination for scores of people, young and old, for years to come.
+1 and nicely said.
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I dug up the old thread discussing this product with ~200 posts and did a search for any mention of the D&D Adventure Game. (Released by WOTC 2000 and targeted toward people new to RPGs in general.)
I know that Paizo won't release more information than they already have, but I just wanted to say that I like the ease by which people were introduced to the system. It involved some simplification of the rules (and it only had pregens, and only of the 4 core classes), but it was a good foundation for transitioning to the full 3rd Edition ruleset. For people completely new to RPGs, it held your hand through the GMing process, too.
It would be cool to see that kind of approach for this product, but also with the rules for creating your own characters.
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Call me the curmudgeonly devil's advocate, but why is this in the subscription, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the subscription members are not the target demo for a beginner set, or do you have a lot of non-gamer subscribers?
I'm probably going to cancel my sub, not because this isn't a cool product, or isn't a great moment for paizo, but... well I really don't need it (not withstanding the cool art.)
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I bought my first Dungeons and Dragons (2nd Edition) boxed set after I bought the player's handbook. I just needed ideas to springboard a free-form campaign, and the beginner levels were perfect for it. When we were done with the adventures in the box, I had to think hard on coming up with a different one. Fun times.
Im 99% positive I will never use it but I will be buying this. Looking forward to it.
Regarding the subscription / import tax topic - isn't there the simple avenue of canceling the RPG Subscription (or putting in on hold) for this one and then restarting it after the Beginner's Box?
Ok, I guess that this would create much work for paizo's customer service but as far as I understand how subscriptions work, it is possible?
I will get this one - I just don't know which way (subscription, local store or amazon germany).
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Regarding the subscription / import tax topic - isn't there the simple avenue of canceling the RPG Subscription (or putting in on hold) for this one and then restarting it after the Beginner's Box?
Ok, I guess that this would create much work for paizo's customer service but as far as I understand how subscriptions work, it is possible?
I will get this one - I just don't know which way (subscription, local store or amazon germany).
Cleverly they've made it so you do have bug their customer service department to unsubscribe, its not a big deal, I was just putting it on record why I was going to do this, and curious if I wasn't going to be the only one.
Cleverly they've made it so you do have bug their customer service department to unsubscribe, its not a big deal, I was just putting it on record why I was going to do this, and curious if I wasn't going to be the only one.
Yes - and I really don't want to be harsh/mean/whatever - but that is their workload then, not mine/ours :-)
But I think they will cope with it - and we, the "european corner customers", will be happy customers. No problem as far as I am concerned.
80 "Pawns"? What exactly are pawns and will this be something available outside of the box?
I am extremely pleased that Paizo has produced this. I've been playing Pathfinder with my sons (9 and 6) and their friends. They have nearly trashed my core rulebook, but really the reading level is just too high. I bought the WoTC 3.5 'basic' game, and the new 4.0 boxed set, and they are both just works of misery, not at all the great kinds of products that we are all reminiscing about from our childhoods. Thanks Paizo! If you need a test player, let me know, as I and my group of pre-teens are 'in'!
80 "Pawns"? What exactly are pawns and will this be something available outside of the box?
That would be Wes Schneider and however many interns they can catch. Little suckers breed like rabbits so it also helps to clean up the editorial pit.
I would love to begin a pathfinder subscription with the Beginner Box. When will we see this?
Right now, it has a scheduled release date of October. You should be able to start a Pathfinder RPG subscription with this item as your starting subscription item in late August.
I would love to begin a pathfinder subscription with the Beginner Box. When will we see this?Right now, it has a scheduled release date of October. You should be able to start a Pathfinder RPG subscription with this item as your starting subscription item in late August.
Will there be a PDF inclusive of the BB with the sub?
Will there be a PDF inclusive of the BB with the sub?I would love to begin a pathfinder subscription with the Beginner Box. When will we see this?Right now, it has a scheduled release date of October. You should be able to start a Pathfinder RPG subscription with this item as your starting subscription item in late August.
That is an interesting question, because in the past Paizo has refused to offer up digital version of flip maps, and would likely have the same policy about "Pawns" as they do cards (no digital version), so it would be interesting to see if they make an exception for this product.
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80 "Pawns"? What exactly are pawns and will this be something available outside of the box?That would be Wes Schneider and however many interns they can catch. Little suckers breed like rabbits so it also helps to clean up the editorial pit.
Actually, Wes doesn't (fortunately!) breed like a rabbit, but otherwise you're spot on with that assessment! ;)
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That is an interesting question, because in the past Paizo has refused to offer up digital version of flip maps, and would likely have the same policy about "Pawns" as they do cards (no digital version), so it would be interesting to see if they make an exception for this product.Will there be a PDF inclusive of the BB with the sub?I would love to begin a pathfinder subscription with the Beginner Box. When will we see this?Right now, it has a scheduled release date of October. You should be able to start a Pathfinder RPG subscription with this item as your starting subscription item in late August.
Vic hinted that there most likly will be a PDF of some sort, but not of what it would include. I'm guessing the rulebok/scenario would be in a PDF, and the map/pawns would not.
Vic hinted that there most likly will be a PDF of some sort, but not of what it would include. I'm guessing the rulebok/scenario would be in a PDF, and the map/pawns would not.That is an interesting question, because in the past Paizo has refused to offer up digital version of flip maps, and would likely have the same policy about "Pawns" as they do cards (no digital version), so it would be interesting to see if they make an exception for this product.Will there be a PDF inclusive of the BB with the sub?I would love to begin a pathfinder subscription with the Beginner Box. When will we see this?Right now, it has a scheduled release date of October. You should be able to start a Pathfinder RPG subscription with this item as your starting subscription item in late August.
I can see that. If they don't offer up the Pawns as their own separate package to sell, I hope they at least include those in the PDF so we have some way to get more, or make replacements.
Maps we can buy separately, most of their cards are still in print, so replacements can be bought, but the pawns cannot, unless they do offer them up as a separate product, or at least include them in the PDF. Thats my concern.
Hmmm....pawns?
To clarify, those pre-painted minis are NOT in the Beginner's Box, but will be available separately.
Minis are not pawns, pawns are not minis. The prepainted plastic minis mentioned in that press release are not part of the Beginner Box, they're a separate product.
Gee Sean, you take all the fun out of it.
:P
Hmmm....pawns?To clarify, those pre-painted minis are NOT in the Beginner's Box, but will be available separately.
That article isn't very clear then as the Beginner Box is mentioned several times.
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Minis are not pawns, pawns are not minis. The prepainted plastic minis mentioned in that press release are not part of the Beginner Box, they're a separate product.
Yeah I figured that. Though you guys might want to change the press release to be a bit more clear. I can see how from reading it people might think they are coming in the boxed set.
Minis are not pawns, pawns are not minis.I'll be adding this to my list for an as-yet-to-be-published book entitled, "The Quotable SKR."
I guess libraries would buy a copy.
I guess libraries would buy a copy.Minis are not pawns, pawns are not minis.I'll be adding this to my list for an as-yet-to-be-published book entitled, "The Quotable SKR."
Are you sure?
Are you sure?I guess libraries would buy a copy.Minis are not pawns, pawns are not minis.I'll be adding this to my list for an as-yet-to-be-published book entitled, "The Quotable SKR."
Well, certain libraries in the world attempt to buy one of everything, just for research's sake.
Though you guys might want to change the press release to be a bit more clear. I can see how from reading it people might think they are coming in the boxed set.
Erik has clarified in a related topic, I'll repost it here:
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Though you guys might want to change the press release to be a bit more clear. I can see how from reading it people might think they are coming in the boxed set.Erik has clarified in a related topic, I'll repost it here:
Yeah I knew, I read it. I was just saying you guys might want to tweak the press release to make it more clear is what I meant. :)
Oh Yeah!!!!!
I was afraid when Wizards dropped the ball with cancelling D&D miniatures that no-one else would pick it up. But once again Paizo picks an awesome product out of a muddy mess, dusts it off and makes it look like a million dollars.
WOOOO ........and might I add HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I had heard about the minis/beginner box, and was going to post that now I'm going to buy it. But it doesn't come with them... so I'm not.
But I am going to buy the separate minis! So... win/win?
Call me the curmudgeonly devil's advocate, but why is this in the subscription?
I'm probably going to cancel my sub...
I will probably need to pull the carefully-timed stunt of canceling my subscription just before the Beginner's Box is released and reactivating it afterward. $35 for a product nearly 100% redundant with rules sets I already have, plus "pawns" and a flip-mat? Pass.
I think it's great that there will be a Beginner's Box, but agree with Galnörag that I don't consider myself the target audience for it and question the rationale of an automatic sale.
By an interesting yet meaningless coincidence, my username on another messageboard is Advocatus Diaboli.
I will probably need to pull the carefully-timed stunt of canceling my subscription just before the Beginner's Box is released and reactivating it afterward.
Me too.
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Though you guys might want to change the press release to be a bit more clear. I can see how from reading it people might think they are coming in the boxed set.Erik has clarified in a related topic, I'll repost it here:
Just wanted to clarify something ... this isn't going to impact the relationship with Reaper in any way is it?* As in, hopefully this isn't the first steps in a migration from one manufacturer to another?
I really hope not, cause I really like the Reaper minis. Though I'll buy these ones too so my kids have some minis they can be a bit more rough with.
* Yes, yes, I realize you can't divulge internal business developments like that, but just wanted to get the thought out.
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This product is not only good for younger gamers wanting to enter the hobby, but adults too - I have a bunch of people I'm getting interested in the PF, some of whom would like more of their own grasp of the rules but are intimidated by the Core Rulebook - they don't know where to begin.
The Core Rulebook by necessity is organized like a reference book, but if the Beginner Box has manuals that "ramp up" people who are new to RPGs that would be awesomesauce. This now gives me something to show them.
I'm excited for what this product means for the growth of the hobby!
CEO
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Just wanted to clarify something ... this isn't going to impact the relationship with Reaper in any way is it?* As in, hopefully this isn't the first steps in a migration from one manufacturer to another?
I really hope not, cause I really like the Reaper minis. Though I'll buy these ones too so my kids have some minis they can be a bit more rough with.
* Yes, yes, I realize you can't divulge internal business developments like that, but just wanted to get the thought out.
Relax! Our relationship with Reaper is just fine! We love them and they love us. We love the minis that they put out for Pathfinder. We just sent Sean Reynolds down to Reapercon last weekend and they are sending folks up to PaizoCon in a few weeks.
We just felt that there was a need for a box of prepainted plastic miniatures to go along with the Beginner Box at the end of the year. WizKids approached us and has the ability to get this done very quickly, MUCH more quickly than Paizo or anybody else could I wager. So we jumped at the chance. Where this goes from here, nobody knows. But we would NEVER replace metal minis with prepainted plastic ones. Best case scenario is that we are able to provide BOTH avenues for people to get the minis that they want. But for right now, this is a one-shot thing with WizKids and we have lots of ongoing plans with Reaper.
There, feel better? :)
-Lisa
Just wanted to clarify something ... this isn't going to impact the relationship with Reaper in any way is it?* As in, hopefully this isn't the first steps in a migration from one manufacturer to another?
I really hope not, cause I really like the Reaper minis. Though I'll buy these ones too so my kids have some minis they can be a bit more rough with.
* Yes, yes, I realize you can't divulge internal business developments like that, but just wanted to get the thought out.
Relax! Our relationship with Reaper is just fine! We love them and they love us. We love the minis that they put out for Pathfinder. We just sent Sean Reynolds down to Reapercon last weekend and they are sending folks up to Paizocon in a few weeks.
We just felt that there was a need for a box of prepainted plastic miniatures to go along with the Beginner Box at the end of the year. WizKids approached us and has the ability to get this done very quickly, MUCH more quickly than Paizo or anybody else could I wager. So we jumped at the chance. Where this goes from here, nobody knows. But we would NEVER replace metal minis with prepainted plastic ones. Best case scenario is that we are able to provide BOTH avenues for people to get the minis that they want. But for right now, this is a one-shot thing with WizKids and we have lots of ongoing plans with Reaper.
There, feel better? :)
-Lisa
I would feel better if there were more pics of the minis. ;)
Relax! Our relationship with Reaper is just fine! We love them and they love us. We love the minis that they put out for Pathfinder. We just sent Sean Reynolds down to Reapercon last weekend and they are sending folks up to Paizocon in a few weeks.
We just felt that there was a need for a box of prepainted plastic miniatures to go along with the Beginner Box at the end of the year. WizKids approached us and has the ability to get this done very quickly, MUCH more quickly than Paizo or anybody else could I wager. So we jumped at the chance. Where this goes from here, nobody knows. But we would NEVER replace metal minis with prepainted plastic ones. Best case scenario is that we are able to provide BOTH avenues for people to get the minis that they want. But for right now, this is a one-shot thing with WizKids and we have lots of ongoing plans with Reaper.
There, feel better? :)
-Lisa
Personally, I hope that both product lines sell well and more WizKids prepainted plastic minis will be produced.
My wife likes to paint the metal Reaper stuff - but I hate bugging her to paint stuff I want as a GM, and I suck at paintjobs.
Prepaints work much better for my needs, and while I have a deep collection of D&D minis, there's some Pathfinder stuff that just doesn't have an analog in those sets - ugothols and sinspawn spring to mind. So, here's hoping there's more plastic crack in our future than just the Beginner's Box-related set!