Now available!
Woot X 2...And thanks to Frog God Games and Paizo...
The big folks are busy, so us little folks'll say "Yer welcome".
And don't underestimate Paizo's involvement in this. I'm not at liberty to say exactly why, but it's fantastic how much they believe in this book.
Consider my cap duffed to Lisa, Erik and company for all they've done.
And preordered! Now I can keep my copy of the limited edition in perfect condition when it arrives and use the unlimited edition for gameplay.
Thank you Paizo and Frog God Games!
I probably should have asked this before submitting my Print/PDF bundle preorder, but any chance of a discount for those of us with the PDF of the "Limited Edition"?
The answer is a "no", but not a harsh one. <smile>
We just received confirmation from our printer that they will be shipping Tome of Horrors Complete: Unlimited Edition on Oct. 11. So hopefully those ordering will get their copies on or about All Hallow's Eve.
I probably should have asked this before submitting my Print/PDF bundle preorder, but any chance of a discount for those of us with the PDF of the "Limited Edition"?
Customer Service will be happy to switch you over from the first printing version of the PDF to the second printing Print/PDF bundle, but you will need to contact them after placing your preorder. You can contact them through the Customer Service boards here, or send them an email to customer.service@paizo.com .
One note on the product description. The S&W version is not, so far as I understand it, being reprinted. So copy/pasting the information about that version might be a bit misleading.
Good point—I've edited the description. :)
@Liz
This might be nit-picky but on the last sentence of the description it mentions monsters from both the original and the new as well as the lairs.
Perhaps delete - "both from the original edition of the game and new" and "a truckload of sample encounters and lairs to throw at your players".
Maybe add back the link to Frog God Games with mention of the free downloads of the lairs and monsters by terrain.
Thanks with high regards!
@Liz
This might be nit-picky but on the last sentence of the description it mentions monsters from both the original and the new as well as the lairs.
Perhaps delete - "both from the original edition of the game and new" and "a truckload of sample encounters and lairs to throw at your players".
Maybe add back the link to Frog God Games with mention of the free downloads of the lairs and monsters by terrain.
Thanks with high regards!
The PDF of this and the first printing PDFs now contain the supplemental material that was available at Frog God Games. :)
Edit: I've updated the product descriptions to reflect the changes.
@Liz
That's great that your PDF added the supplemental free downloads. In fact, I added them myself to the pdf copy I got from Frog God Games.
Now, I know that I am being nit-picky to the extreme, please forgive. However the last sentence of the description might lead one to believe that the print version had the supplements included.
Perhaps the last sentence should be written -- "The pdf version includes the sample monster lairs and encounters from the Swords & Wizardry version of the Tome of Horrors Complete."
@Liz
That's great that your PDF added the supplemental free downloads. In fact, I added them myself to the pdf copy I got from Frog God Games.
Now, I know that I am being nit-picky to the extreme, please forgive. However the last sentence of the description might lead one to believe that the print version had the supplements included.
Perhaps the last sentence should be written -- "The pdf version includes the sample monster lairs and encounters from the Swords & Wizardry version of the Tome of Horrors Complete."
Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out Zarathos!
Can someone give me an idea of how big this book is. Are we talking original Ptolus size?
It's a bit bigger than Ptolus, but Ptolus used thicker paper (and was all in color). Tome of Horrors Complete is just under two inches thick and weighs about 4 3/4 pounds.
Just to clarify: Is this the same book and pdf that I bought earlier when Paizo first released it, re-done as the Unlimited Edition to have a second print run?
In other words: I am confused as to how this differs from the version I purchased before. If it is different, I'd like to know how. If it is a second print run because of runaway success, that's fantastic and I'm glad to see it do so well.
In the end, I'd like to get whatever the definitive Pathfinder release version is, and if necessary work out details with someone from CS. Could someone help sort me out?
Can someone give me an idea of how big this book is. Are we talking original Ptolus size?
From what I hear, slightly bigger. My Ptolus PDF appears to be 780 pages, my Tome of Horrors PDF is 818 pages. How many inches the spine is depends on paper weight, but I'm guessing they will be close in size. (Since it hasn't arrived for me, I can't compare the physical books yet.)
Edit: Ninja'd by Liz, the webstore Ninja.
Just to clarify: Is this the same book and pdf that I bought earlier when Paizo first released it, re-done as the Unlimited Edition to have a second print run?
In other words: I am confused as to how this differs from the version I purchased before. If it is different, I'd like to know how. If it is a second print run because of runaway success, that's fantastic and I'm glad to see it do so well.
In the end, I'd like to get whatever the definitive Pathfinder release version is, and if necessary work out details with someone from CS. Could someone help sort me out?
The only physical difference between the first version and the Unlimited Version is the cover. Everything else is exactly the same.
In other words: I am confused as to how this differs from the version I purchased before. If it is different, I'd like to know how. If it is a second print run because of runaway success, that's fantastic and I'm glad to see it do so well.
All of the inside contents are identical. The only difference is the color is silver to differentiate from the first printing, as seen above.
Edit: Ninja'd by Liz again. I should stop answering these questions and get back to my real job. ;)
Great. Thank you for helping clear that up for me. It looks like I'll have to tell all my friends who missed out on the first run.
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Just to clarify: Is this the same book and pdf that I bought earlier when Paizo first released it, re-done as the Unlimited Edition to have a second print run?
Just to clarify, Frog God Games released this book, not Paizo. But from what I've gathered, Paizo was very helpful in making this reprint a reality.
Has demand crashed the web store? I can't check out :(
I'm debating on purchasing another copy.
I ordered two of the limited (although one was as a gift). But I am thinking about ordering another, just to have as a back up. I know the binding is excellent on it, but I have a feeling, even being unlimited, this is not going to be a 'green' book (being reprinted in the future).
Or am I wrong?
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I'm debating on purchasing another copy.
I ordered two of the limited (although one was as a gift). But I am thinking about ordering another, just to have as a back up. I know the binding is excellent on it, but I have a feeling, even being unlimited, this is not going to be a 'green' book (being reprinted in the future).
Or am I wrong?
Been thinking the same thing... I also own 2 of the Limited so I had a Backup just in case one went bad... But then Bill had to go Sign the Limited ones they where directly shipping and ruined that plan because I don't like using Signed books for regular play!!!!
Been thinking the same thing... I also own 2 of the Limited so I had a Backup just in case one went bad... But then Bill had to go Sign the Limited ones they where directly shipping and ruined that plan because I don't like using Signed books for regular play!!!!I'm debating on purchasing another copy.
I ordered two of the limited (although one was as a gift). But I am thinking about ordering another, just to have as a back up. I know the binding is excellent on it, but I have a feeling, even being unlimited, this is not going to be a 'green' book (being reprinted in the future).
Or am I wrong?
Yeah, I understand. I am the same way with my signed books. I actually ordered a copy of the Unlimited version and will keep my Limited and signed copy on the shelf.
I hope this run sells out as well for FGG, would be great for them. I am curious to know how many were printed for the Unlimited run. But I also understand that info not wanting to be given out.
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Now that the book is out there, it's time for some good old criticism, because everyone seems to be gushing over and I do oh so love to be the proverbial fly in the ointment.
Monadic Deva (B2) vs. Monadic Deva (TOHC)
CR: 12 - 12
HP: 147 - 95
Attacks: +22/+17/+12 vs. +20/+15
Piscodaemon (B2) vs. Piscodaemon (TOHC)
Identical in almost every respect.
Why is the Piscy pretty much lifted out of B2 (which is very good, IMO, as I hate having zillion versions of the same monster floating around), while the Deva has massive differences while retaining the same CR?
I will have to pointedly say nothing at this time.
About the future of the product, not what the bag of devouring snuck in while I was posting.
Now that the book is out there, it's time for some good old criticism, because everyone seems to be gushing over and I do oh so love to be the proverbial fly in the ointment.
Monadic Deva (B2) vs. Monadic Deva (TOHC)
CR: 12 - 12
HP: 147 - 95
Attacks: +22/+17/+12 vs. +20/+15Piscodaemon (B2) vs. Piscodaemon (TOHC)
Identical in almost every respect.
Why is the Piscy pretty much lifted out of B2 (which is very good, IMO, as I hate having zillion versions of the same monster floating around), while the Deva has massive differences while retaining the same CR?
Because we had a gaggle of conversion writers. Some worked with what was already done while others didn't (and some purposefully didn't).
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Because we had a gaggle of conversion writers. Some worked with what was already done while others didn't (and some purposefully didn't).Now that the book is out there, it's time for some good old criticism, because everyone seems to be gushing over and I do oh so love to be the proverbial fly in the ointment.
Monadic Deva (B2) vs. Monadic Deva (TOHC)
CR: 12 - 12
HP: 147 - 95
Attacks: +22/+17/+12 vs. +20/+15Piscodaemon (B2) vs. Piscodaemon (TOHC)
Identical in almost every respect.
Why is the Piscy pretty much lifted out of B2 (which is very good, IMO, as I hate having zillion versions of the same monster floating around), while the Deva has massive differences while retaining the same CR?
That I understand, but in some cases, the CRs end up way off the scale. The Deva, as written, qualifies for CR 8-9 monster, according to the monster building guidelines in PF Bestiary.
Problem is - if I use something out of a book, I'd love to be sure that it works as intended instead of having to double check CRs and stuff. That's what I love about Paizo bestiaries, they have an outstanding CR accuracy, something that was always horribly sloppy in WotC books (hello, Monster Manual Ogre Mage?)
Fantastic. So very preordered.
Can't wait to see it. ^.^
I'm NOT dilly-dalling a second time... pre-odred! yabba-dabba-doo!
The check-out did take a looong time. Perhaps another sales record for the ToHC? Now to wait... First on the personalizer, then on the mailman... Thanks Paizo & FGG for making this happen!
Tom
Just a fair warning for those that are considering ordering the Tome...
Simply adding it to your cart will not guarantee or reserve a copy for you.
If we have to preorder, what is the deadline to get the book? The last time this book was available, I could not afford to get it and I still can't right now. However, I really would like to get it. How much time do I have to adjust my budget?
If we have to preorder, what is the deadline to get the book? The last time this book was available, I could not afford to get it and I still can't right now. However, I really would like to get it. How much time do I have to adjust my budget?
I believe the only deadline is them selling out. A set number are already being printed in this 2nd print run. It is a preorder as opposed to a regular order solely because the books are not yet available to send out yet.
It is not a preorder in the sense that they want to tally all of the preorders and then order that many books. The books have already been ordered. If you wait on this there is a very good chance you will miss it.
Because we had a gaggle of conversion writers. Some worked with what was already done while others didn't (and some purposefully didn't).Now that the book is out there, it's time for some good old criticism, because everyone seems to be gushing over and I do oh so love to be the proverbial fly in the ointment.
Monadic Deva (B2) vs. Monadic Deva (TOHC)
CR: 12 - 12
HP: 147 - 95
Attacks: +22/+17/+12 vs. +20/+15Piscodaemon (B2) vs. Piscodaemon (TOHC)
Identical in almost every respect.
Why is the Piscy pretty much lifted out of B2 (which is very good, IMO, as I hate having zillion versions of the same monster floating around), while the Deva has massive differences while retaining the same CR?
That I understand, but in some cases, the CRs end up way off the scale. The Deva, as written, qualifies for CR 8-9 monster, according to the monster building guidelines in PF Bestiary.
Problem is - if I use something out of a book, I'd love to be sure that it works as intended instead of having to double check CRs and stuff. That's what I love about Paizo bestiaries, they have an outstanding CR accuracy, something that was always horribly sloppy in WotC books (hello, Monster Manual Ogre Mage?)
As one of the authors, I can only speak for myself; I have never seen all orcs as being the same, all hill giants being the same, and certainly not every dark crrper and dalk stalker are the same. Thats just not the way of it. I agree drastic variations may cause a DM to compensate one way or the other, but do you really want your PCs to know what there facing as soon as you describe something? I certainly dont in my game.
Anyway, thats my 2 cents....
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Anyway, thats my 2 cents....
That's not the point. The point is, if I want to have my players face a challenge of CR: X (and with the correct treasure and XP for it), I want the monster to have stats that correspond to CR: X and not X-2 or X+2.
And I prefer that monster to have those stats right out of the box, I don't buy bestiaries so that I have to double-check everything I use.
To illustrate my point: Xanesha from Skinsaw Murders. Hell as no way near the printed CR. Much gnashing teeth and complaints in Obituaries threads follow.
There are several other monsters in TOHC that have wonky CR. Demonic Knight, for example.
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Anyway, thats my 2 cents....
That's not the point. The point is, if I want to have my players face a challenge of CR: X (and with the correct treasure and XP for it), I want the monster to have stats that correspond to CR: X and not X-2 or X+2.
And I prefer that monster to have those stats right out of the box, I don't buy bestiaries so that I have to double-check everything I use.
To illustrate my point: Xanesha from Skinsaw Murders. Hell as no way near the printed CR. Much gnashing teeth and complaints in Obituaries threads follow.
There are several other monsters in TOHC that have wonky CR. Demonic Knight, for example.
There are several creatures in the Paizo Bestiaries/products that have wonky CRs as well. Hell, your example is straight out of a Paizo product. Assigning a CR is as much an art as a science, and not everyone is going to agree on all things. I'd be vastly surprised if in a book that's as big as two and half of Paizo's Bestiaries you didn't find a monster or three that the CR is a bit screwy (at least in your opinion).
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There are several creatures in the Paizo Bestiaries/products that have wonky CRs as well. Hell, your example is straight out of a Paizo product. Assigning a CR is as much an art as a science, and not everyone is going to agree on all things. I'd be vastly surprised if in a book that's as big as two and half of Paizo's Bestiaries you didn't find a monster or three that the CR is a bit screwy (at least in your opinion).
Anyway, thats my 2 cents....
That's not the point. The point is, if I want to have my players face a challenge of CR: X (and with the correct treasure and XP for it), I want the monster to have stats that correspond to CR: X and not X-2 or X+2.
And I prefer that monster to have those stats right out of the box, I don't buy bestiaries so that I have to double-check everything I use.
To illustrate my point: Xanesha from Skinsaw Murders. Hell as no way near the printed CR. Much gnashing teeth and complaints in Obituaries threads follow.
There are several other monsters in TOHC that have wonky CR. Demonic Knight, for example.
That's the funny thing, both B1 and B2 have excellent CR accuracy. Jason established the monster creation guidelines and made sure every monster sticks to them. If you can find me a monster that falls out of the line with its CR in Pathfinder Bestiaries, you're welcome (and no, "for sure there's one" and "i'd be vastly surprised" don't count).
One of the greatest improvements of PF Bestiaries is elimination of 3.5 (and remember, Xanesha was a 3.5 monster) weirdness when it comes to CRs - no more Ogre Mages, Ropers, Dragons and several other creatures being way out of the printed CR range.
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Can you PLEASE make this one available in the UK?
I did not order the last one because while I am willing to pay the 99$, the 50$ shipping costs push this beyond reasonable price. I did ask gameslore in the UK if they could get it and they told me no copies were available in the UK.
Please remember us with this print run? Its always rather annoying to be forgotten. There are a lot of fans in the UK, and its rather unfair to leave us out of it.
Aurore
Can you PLEASE make this one available in the UK?
I did not order the last one because while I am willing to pay the 99$, the 50$ shipping costs push this beyond reasonable price. I did ask gameslore in the UK if they could get it and they told me no copies were available in the UK.
Hear, hear!
I would order a copy right now if the shipping wasn't this high. I would order through Amazon if it was available through their store (no shipping).
There are a lot (!) of gamers in Europe. Please have an online store available the sells with low shipping costs. Amazon.de/co.uk is great, so is Bookdepository.co.uk. They might even cut you a better deal :)
Thanks,
Henk
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Can you PLEASE make this one available in the UK?
I did not order the last one because while I am willing to pay the 99$, the 50$ shipping costs push this beyond reasonable price. I did ask gameslore in the UK if they could get it and they told me no copies were available in the UK.
Please remember us with this print run? Its always rather annoying to be forgotten. There are a lot of fans in the UK, and its rather unfair to leave us out of it.
Aurore
I ordered the limited edition through Paizo and paid much less for shipping to Germany. You might want to give it a try. Put it in your basket and see how much the shipping would be.
Missed the first run, but got my pre-order in for the second. Thanks to both FGG and Paizo!
I missed the first print , added to my chart the second , but will only by in november ( lack of money now ).
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I missed the first print , added to my chart the second , but will only by in november ( lack of money now ).
If you wait, you'll likely miss this one too...
Just a fair warning for those that are considering ordering the Tome...
Simply adding it to your cart will not guarantee or reserve a copy for you.