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The Tome of Horrors? But that’s been done already; why do it again? Well, actually it’s been done three times, but never like this. With the advent of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game as the newest torchbearer for the world’s most popular role-playing game, we need monsters—lots of monsters. That’s where The Tome of Horrors Complete delivers in spades. Starting from the original Tome written with the 3rd Edition rules along with the later releases of Tomes 2 and 3 for version 3.5, Necromancer Games was in the unique position to bring you updates of the classic monsters not formally released by the OGL, as well as, loads of new ones never sprung upon unsuspecting players before. So well received have these monsters been by the gaming community, that this open content has appeared again and again in game publications by other companies including updates to the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game system and even appearances in its own Bestiaries.

Why stop there? Never before have all three volumes been updated to the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game in their entirety and released as a single, hardbound tome. Monsters from the aberrant to the yellow musk zombie appear in this book, and everything in between—that’s over 700 monsters. But that’s not all; the appendices bring just as much to the table from templates to hazards to a treatise on poison variations in nearly 50 types of venomous snakes. There are also new feats, planes of existence, strange beings beyond mortal ken, and plenty of charts dividing the compiled monsters by CR, type, and terrain.

But it’s more than just that, because the entire compilation has also been updated to the Swords & Wizardry rules for release as another version of the volume. And in this version, the space freed up by the smaller stat blocks is filled by sample monster lairs and encounters with the hundreds of different monster types featured in the tome. Never before has this massive selection of monsters been updated and brought with these resources all together in one place for use in your own game. And before any Pathfinder players cry foul over the monster lair additions in the Swords & Wizardry version of The Tome of Horrors Complete, this lair information is included as a part of the PDF download.

So you’ve got the monsters—both from the original edition of the game and new—the templates, the multiple appendices on rules, planes, and the n’gathau, and a truckload of sample encounters and lairs to throw at your players, all together in one easy-to-use book. That’s why we call it The Tome of Horrors Complete!

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Absolute Must for A DM

5/5

Packed full of monsters. No more will there be an issue of stale old monsters being used over and over again. Great for DM's running the older Paizo APs and modules trying to convert them to PFRPG. And with the free 127 page Lairs enhancement you have plenty of ready to go side quests and one offs.


A big book made of awesome

5/5

Yes. You've seen most of this before. But, until now, you had to convert oll of the awesome beasties to PFRPG. No more.

818 pages of critters from the interesting to the epic. Anyone writing campaigns for PFRPG needs it on their shelf next to Bestiary 1, 2 (and soon 3).


You WILL own this. Accept your fate mortals.

5/5

Well Done. Essential. Required. Yes Really.


Thank You Frog God!

5/5

The title says it all, really. This book is a gift to us GMs. With more than 700 monsters, it's a treasure trove of coolness and it'll keep players busy for a VERY long time.

While I can't tell you if a monster's CMB is correct or a monster has one too many feats as I haven't read every single monster entry in detail, I can tell you that I'll be using a ton of these monsters in my own games. As an added bonus, Paizo has used the various Tomes of Horrors extensively throughout the adventure paths, and having this updated version of the Tomes means that the book becomes super relevant for those running Pathfinder modules as well.

The book itself is generally well laid out. My only gripe, and Frog God Games has explained why this is so, is that there's a wee bit too much white space in several monster entries. This is a minor gripe, however, and not something that subtracts from my overall impression.

The artwork is bad to awesome, all black and white. But overall a very decent collection of artwork.


Monstrously Epic

5/5

This book is monstrously epic. The ooos and awws never stopped as I flipped through its pages (in the PDF). It is 10 times more then I ever hoped for. I can't wait for my print copy to arrive. The Frog Gods rock in a way that it is so epic it makes all other rocks seem like pebbles. Keep doing what you are doing! I can't wait to see what your next epic pathfinder masterpiece is.


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Hobbun wrote:

I ordered myself a copy, I just hope the book holds up well over time. I know with the Core Rulebook and it’s size, and no slight to Paizo, it has had issues with binding in the past. And this is 800 pages.

I would hate to see the binding begin to go on this book within a few years, especially considering you won't be able to buy it again.

The binding on this book is a superior quality. Bill Webb stepped up and paid for the best binding he could get. I believe he wanted to provide gamemasters with many wonderful foes to inflict upon their players for many years to come.


deinol wrote:
Mournblade94 wrote:
What I would hope though is the company uses this money to build, and maybe purchase another print run, which might leverage them to start including color quality.

Even if they they took 100% of the profits and commissioned color art, I doubt it would cover 20% of the art needed. And they'd have to expect double the sales on the next run to break even. Just isn't going to happen.

Even Paizo can't afford a monster book with all new art. They spread the cost by using art from APs and Society Scenarios and other books.

This book is an amazing offering for a small company. Anyone who doesn't get a copy now won't be able to in the future.

I certainly don't have a problem with recycled art. In fact I think most of the new art I see from Paizo, barring characters or monsters seem to occur in AP's. The AP's always seem to have the fresh art.

The Inner sea magic had really sweet art as well!


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Dawn R Fischer wrote:
Hobbun wrote:

I ordered myself a copy, I just hope the book holds up well over time. I know with the Core Rulebook and it’s size, and no slight to Paizo, it has had issues with binding in the past. And this is 800 pages.

I would hate to see the binding begin to go on this book within a few years, especially considering you won't be able to buy it again.

The binding on this book is a superior quality. Bill Webb stepped up and paid for the best binding he could get. I believe he wanted to provide gamemasters with many wonderful foes to inflict upon their players for many years to come.

Awesome. Now THAT'S what I wanted to hear!

Thanks Dawn (and Bill)!

Scarab Sages

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*Just cries and orders this tome of horrors and love.* Man I just recovered from Gen Con and Paizo drags me back in.

Shadow Lodge

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Alderac moved to a schoolbook binder for their newest L5R books, and the quality really shows. If FGG used anything like that quality it should stand up well.


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I went and preordered another copy. A gift for my DM.

Spoiler:
What have I done?


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I just preordered a second copy. A gift for my DM.

Spoiler:
What have I done?

The Exchange

Can't think of a single Necromancer book that had interior color art. They wanted a 1st edition feel to their products.

I think the book is fine without color art, in fact I prefer it that way.

Anyway, color does not mean there is any more quality. I have seen some truly hideous color artwork in some RPG products over the years, sometimes even on covers.


Hobbun wrote:

I just preordered a second copy. A gift for my DM.

** spoiler omitted **

Subjected yourself to some of the torments within. If you suffer from bookworms (or worse), you'll know who to blame. :D

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Auxmaulous wrote:
All very good stuff, though I couldn't find a link or listing for UBAD beyond the teaser download (which was GREAT). Has the pre-order for this started yet, and if not - when?

For Ultimate Book of Adventure Design, I have been adding several cross-references within the index before the final layout, so that (for example) someone looking in the index for "Gas" won't just get the table for poison gas but will get pointed to important related topics as well (even if they don't specifically concern gas), so the entry looks like this:

Gas or Gases 204 (forms of), 217 (in traps) 219-220 (general treatment of topic) and see related 221-223 (poisons) and 236-237 (hallucinogens)

The index is going to be an important tool for using this book, so I want to make sure it's the best possible.

(okay, back to discussion about Tome of Horrors)

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Wolfthulhu wrote:

Can't think of a single Necromancer book that had interior color art. They wanted a 1st edition feel to their products.

I think the book is fine without color art, in fact I prefer it that way.

Anyway, color does not mean there is any more quality. I have seen some truly hideous color artwork in some RPG products over the years, sometimes even on covers.

I'm all for the first edition feel, too. I remember being 8 years old and leafing through my GM's AD&D Monster Manual. That was my first introduction to monsters like orcs, goblins, elementals, golems, purple worms, etc. Even though the art was only black and white, the monsters still looked fantastic. So for me, I think it's right that my copy of the Tome of Horros is in black and white. Of course I'm a little old-fashioned that way; I still play 8 bit Nintendo on the console and listen to vinyl records (but I do love my blu-ray player).


Are you seriously telling me this became sold out while I was checking out?


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CPLSAL wrote:
Are you seriously telling me this became sold out while I was checking out?

It was a very limited print run. People are lucky Paizo put them up for sale at all, originally it was going to be pre-orders only.

Liberty's Edge

Wow. I wish I was Hobbun's GM. I had to order my own.

Frog God Games

Balodek wrote:
Alderac moved to a schoolbook binder for their newest L5R books, and the quality really shows. If FGG used anything like that quality it should stand up well.

I have my copies and there was a distinct lack of noise when I opened it up to look inside.

The books are stitch-bound on a cloth binding. Unbelievably good job done by the printer.

Dark Archive

Dave the Barbarian wrote:
Wow. I wish I was Hobbun's GM. I had to order my own.

You know we'd chip in and buy you it if you wanted ;)

I ordered one too.

Dark Archive

CPLSAL wrote:
Are you seriously telling me this became sold out while I was checking out?

Don't worry there will be copies up on Ebay pretty soon. I bought 4 copies myself with the intention to put a few up there.

Liberty's Edge

I know you would have. Your a good person Rivermurk the Vengeful, aka Willhem Von Mildenstein.

You can expect to be attacked by 699 of the 700 creatures in that book during this next campaign. I will keep one out of the mix. Bonus EP at the end if you can tell me which one.


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Dave the Barbarian wrote:
Wow. I wish I was Hobbun's GM. I had to order my own.

Well, usually I get my gaming friends a (RPG) book around Christmas time (lately it's been a Pathfinder hardcover book of some sort). This will just be his a little early. And he will come out ahead a little more this time.


Ugh come on... already sold out... just make more...

Limited print just makes demand artificially high. In a store at least the retailers can ensure that only one copy is bought per person to maximize distribution. Online you get jerks who have no problem taking advantage of people and they will buy four copies and put them up on ebay for $500.... very lame.


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So I'm puzzled. The pre-order sold out in less than a day.

Does that mean there will be more copies available at some point, since they say pre-order? And if so, will they be here or on Frog God games site?

Or is that it?

Frog God Games

Dave the Barbarian wrote:

I know you would have. Your a good person Rivermurk the Vengeful, aka Willhem Von Mildenstein.

You can expect to be attacked by 699 of the 700 creatures in that book during this next campaign. I will keep one out of the mix. Bonus EP at the end if you can tell me which one.

I believe that the final count is 751 monsters :)

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

That's it.

Frog God is in the short print run business.

I don't think anyone expected this to sell out in less than a day, though, so everyone's heads are kind of spinning at the moment.


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Erik Mona wrote:

That's it.

Frog God is in the short print run business.

I don't think anyone expected this to sell out in less than a day, though, so everyone's heads are kind of spinning at the moment.

That doesn't make sense. They are just transfering profits to people who buy multiple copies to eBay it.

If indeed this is how they do business I will never buy anything from them. I buy my gaming goods to use in my game, not to make a profit online or 'collect' them.

Liberty's Edge

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Erithtotl wrote:

That doesn't make sense. They are just transfering profits to people who buy multiple copies to eBay it.

If indeed this is how they do business I will never buy anything from them. I buy my gaming goods to use in my game, not to make a profit online or 'collect' them.

They are a Tiny Company, they can't do Huge print runs, especially with books as monolithic as this. A Huge print run would Bankrupt them most likely.


Erik Mona wrote:

That's it.

Frog God is in the short print run business.

I don't think anyone expected this to sell out in less than a day, though, so everyone's heads are kind of spinning at the moment.

Yeah, that kinda sucks... I just got home from work, read the email, come here and it's unavailable :(


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Dragnmoon wrote:
Erithtotl wrote:

That doesn't make sense. They are just transfering profits to people who buy multiple copies to eBay it.

If indeed this is how they do business I will never buy anything from them. I buy my gaming goods to use in my game, not to make a profit online or 'collect' them.

They are a Tiny Company, they can't do Huge print runs, especially with books as monolithic as this. A Huge print run would Bankrupt them most likely.

Unless they are selling for a loss, if it takes them 5 days to sell out rather than 8 hours, they are only giving up profits by not making more, and I doubt they'd be making a book to sell for a loss.

If the damand is there for another print run, why on earth wouldn't they do it?

Shadow Lodge

I wonder how much of the art was color originally?

And why is the pdf going away? That's kind of arbitrary, isn't it?

Grand Lodge

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Dragnmoon wrote:
Erithtotl wrote:

That doesn't make sense. They are just transfering profits to people who buy multiple copies to eBay it.

If indeed this is how they do business I will never buy anything from them. I buy my gaming goods to use in my game, not to make a profit online or 'collect' them.

They are a Tiny Company, they can't do Huge print runs, especially with books as monolithic as this. A Huge print run would Bankrupt them most likely.

Then a one day sellout should prompt them to do a second "not huge" run.

I also just logged on to try and buy one only to find them sold out and to people who will want me to pay 3-4 times the selling price.

Do a preorder and print the run to the preorder amount if they are that concerned about selling the product they print. Pathfinder is the best thing going in gaming right now so selling something this cool should be no sweat for them.

Dark Archive

This book was up for Preorder for quite a few months, 3 or more if I remember correctly, there have been multiple threads and discussions here on the Paizo forums about it. I do not understand how people could have missed it being sold for the pre order. This sale is just for the copies that Paizo pre ordered from FGG, there was quite a long time before that where you could have pre ordered it directly from FGG.

They only made as many books as were pre ordered, you snooze you lose.


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Erithtotl wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Erithtotl wrote:

That doesn't make sense. They are just transfering profits to people who buy multiple copies to eBay it.

If indeed this is how they do business I will never buy anything from them. I buy my gaming goods to use in my game, not to make a profit online or 'collect' them.

They are a Tiny Company, they can't do Huge print runs, especially with books as monolithic as this. A Huge print run would Bankrupt them most likely.

Unless they are selling for a loss, if it takes them 5 days to sell out rather than 8 hours, they are only giving up profits by not making more, and I doubt they'd be making a book to sell for a loss.

If the damand is there for another print run, why on earth wouldn't they do it?

Because they probably don't have the money to do so.

As Dragonmoon said, they are a tiny company, and they just don't have the overhead to make a huge print run. Like Paizo or WotC can do. Especially because of the massive size of the book, and that Bill had chosen to go with a very high quality binding. All of that adds up.

Paizo Employee Managing Developer

FGG started taking pre-orders months ago, that process closed . Part of doing pre-orders is to determine the size of the print run. Printing a book like this is an extremely expensive process, and while I think FGG would have loved to do a much bigger print run it wasn’t possible. It would have taken thousands more dollars and then Bill would have had to sit on boxes of these huge books in his garage. I can fully understand the frustration, but I think people are looking at this with an inflated scope. FGG is a small company.

I'll also add that if Paizo didn't send out that email this morning, a lot of people wouldn't have known about this until it was already sold out for weeks. It's been talked about for a while now. Also, if Lisa wouldn't have pre-ordered a ton more than the original pre-order, none of the copies would have been available here on the site for them to sell.


If I ordered on August 8th, will I obtain my print copy order. Customer service? Anyone?

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Because of the sheer size and cost of the book, Tome of Horrors was advertised both here on the boards and on the Frog Gods website as a one time, limited offering. The pre-order, with the 10 dollar off deal, was open until the end of June and there were many reminders posted here. What they got for pre-orders was what they were going to print. Bill, of Frog God Games, was even kind enough to extend the deadline by a few days for a couple of people. Then Paizo stepped in and ordered some copies as well. Frog Gods and Paizo have been completely above the board in advertising this book. In fact, it's been a great process. Not only did I ensure that I got a copy by pre-ordering through Frog God Games, they've been very communicative with everyone via the boards on how the process was going, when the proofs went out, when they came back, and even the fact that they are now currently shipping the books.

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mcbobbo wrote:

I wonder how much of the art was color originally?

And why is the pdf going away? That's kind of arbitrary, isn't it?

As far as I am aware, all of the art was originally black & white, so nothing has changed there. The print copy is what was limited in availability—the PDF is still available.


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Dragnmoon wrote:
Erithtotl wrote:

That doesn't make sense. They are just transfering profits to people who buy multiple copies to eBay it.

If indeed this is how they do business I will never buy anything from them. I buy my gaming goods to use in my game, not to make a profit online or 'collect' them.

They are a Tiny Company, they can't do Huge print runs, especially with books as monolithic as this. A Huge print run would Bankrupt them most likely.

Exactly- this volume is fatter then Ptolus and I don't see anyone declaring that Monte Cook of somehow scamming his customers with a limited print run. In fact, I understand this print run was based on preorders to FGG, with the few surplus being offered here. If you just want the gaming resource, then just buy the PDF and print as needed.

(Preordered from FGG a few weeks back- the PDF is a beast, but great. I ended up not having my Paizo Discount, but considering the run on this book, happy I erred on the side of caution- now just waiting for my hardcopy).

Scarab Sages

do not underestimate the power of the Paizo email newsletter...

I was thinking of picking a second copy, the decision has been made for me :)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber
bigkilla wrote:

This book was up for Preorder for quite a few months, 3 or more if I remember correctly, there have been multiple threads and discussions here on the Paizo forums about it. I do not understand how people could have missed it being sold for the pre order. This sale is just for the copies that Paizo pre ordered from FGG, there was quite a long time before that where you could have pre ordered it directly from FGG.

They only made as many books as were pre ordered, you snooze you lose.

Not everyone was familiar with FGG or aware of this book prior to the Paizo promotion of the book.

But I of course would expect this response from someone who ordered 4 specifically to place them on ebay.


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firbolg wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Erithtotl wrote:

That doesn't make sense. They are just transfering profits to people who buy multiple copies to eBay it.

If indeed this is how they do business I will never buy anything from them. I buy my gaming goods to use in my game, not to make a profit online or 'collect' them.

They are a Tiny Company, they can't do Huge print runs, especially with books as monolithic as this. A Huge print run would Bankrupt them most likely.

Exactly- this volume is fatter then Ptolus and I don't see anyone declaring that Monte Cook of somehow scamming his customers with a limited print run. If you just want the gaming resource, then just buy the PDF and print as needed.

(Preordered from FGG a few weeks back- the PDF is a beast, but great. I ended up not having my Paizo Discount, but considering the run on this book, happy I erred on the side of caution- now just waiting for my hardcopy).

Advertising on a tiny, obscure website, and the forums here, is hardly advertising. As clearly shown by the results of Paizo's email, there are a crapload of Paizo customers who do NOT visit these boards on a regular basis. I have 3 subscriptions and have had for a long time, and yet I visit these boards about once every 3 months.

Dark Archive

Darcon wrote:
bigkilla wrote:

This book was up for Preorder for quite a few months, 3 or more if I remember correctly, there have been multiple threads and discussions here on the Paizo forums about it. I do not understand how people could have missed it being sold for the pre order. This sale is just for the copies that Paizo pre ordered from FGG, there was quite a long time before that where you could have pre ordered it directly from FGG.

They only made as many books as were pre ordered, you snooze you lose.

Not everyone was familiar with FGG or aware of this book prior to the Paizo promotion of the book.

But I of course would expect this response from someone who ordered 4 specifically to place them on ebay.

FGG has numerous post on these forums about the book, they did not advertise exclusively through their website, it was actually advertised here a lot more. Paizo has even had their pre order of the book up for over a month or more and the book was only printed to the order of the print order.

Paizo sends out a email about the book being on sale and now its doom and gloom for the people who did not buy the book when it was in the pre ordere phase. The book was advertised as being a very limited print run.


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Darcon wrote:
Do a preorder and print the run to the preorder amount if they are that concerned about selling the product they print. Pathfinder is the best thing going in gaming right now so selling something this cool should be no sweat for them.

That is actually what they did. They announced pre-orders in January. They reminded everyone about the last chance to pre-order in June.

What they didn't do is have access to Paizo's email list to send advertisements to everyone.

Print runs are a tricky thing. If Frog God Games decides they could manage to sell another batch they might just do that. Note, that to make the same amount per copy, they have to order very nearly the amount they ordered this time. Anything less would cut the margins too thin.

So if enough of you really want a second run, make yourselves known. Who knows, maybe they can kickstarter a second print run.

Frog God Games

Darcon wrote:


Not everyone was familiar with FGG or aware of this book prior to the Paizo promotion of the book.

We are aware that not everyone is familar with us, or even Necromancer Games, from which we sprang. We are sorry that you only saw this announcement via email by Erik Mona after the book had sold out.

Rest assured discussions are taking place to alieviate those issues. I can't say much more than what Bill Webb himself posted on another thread.

>>Bill Webb's comment from another thread:

Bill Webb wrote:

Don't panic....just kidding; but its gone. I am figuring out a way to get material--not the same book--out to you all if you missed it.

Bill
FGG

I will say this, from everyone at Frog God Games, thank you all. To those who pre-ordered directly from us, or from Paizo, or missed out entirely on this print run and still want this book, you are all why we do what we do, for the love of the game and our fellow gamers.


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BluePigeon wrote:
If I ordered on August 8th, will I obtain my print copy order. Customer service? Anyone?

From Paizo or direct from Frog God? Either way, I'm certain you will get yours. They are only just starting to send them out today.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber
bigkilla wrote:
Darcon wrote:
bigkilla wrote:

This book was up for Preorder for quite a few months, 3 or more if I remember correctly, there have been multiple threads and discussions here on the Paizo forums about it. I do not understand how people could have missed it being sold for the pre order. This sale is just for the copies that Paizo pre ordered from FGG, there was quite a long time before that where you could have pre ordered it directly from FGG.

They only made as many books as were pre ordered, you snooze you lose.

Not everyone was familiar with FGG or aware of this book prior to the Paizo promotion of the book.

But I of course would expect this response from someone who ordered 4 specifically to place them on ebay.

FGG has numerous post on these forums about the book, they did not advertise exclusively through their website, it was actually advertised here a lot more. Paizo has even had their pre order of the book up for over a month or more and the book was only printed to the order of the print order.

Paizo sends out a email about the book being on sale and now its doom and gloom for the people who did not buy the book when it was in the pre ordere phase. The book was advertised as being a very limited print run.

Advertising on these forums does not equate to advertising to the community of people who would be interested in buying this book, nor does the book simply being on the Paizo website.

I think those people posting here who did not get a pre-order in would have happily pre-ordered had paizo sent out an e-mail about this book back in June when it first went up for pre-order versus today when only a few hundred copies were made available.

I certainly know I would have.

Frog God Games

deinol wrote:
BluePigeon wrote:
If I ordered on August 8th, will I obtain my print copy order. Customer service? Anyone?
From Paizo or direct from Frog God? Either way, I'm certain you will get yours. They are only just starting to send them out today.

Actually on Monday or Tuesday, which is the fastest I can flap my frog wings to get there and help out.

Frog God Games

mcbobbo wrote:

I wonder how much of the art was color originally?

And why is the pdf going away? That's kind of arbitrary, isn't it?

None of the art was originally in color.

And where does it say that the PDF is going away?

Paizo Employee Chief Operations Officer

deinol wrote:
CPLSAL wrote:
Are you seriously telling me this became sold out while I was checking out?
It was a very limited print run. People are lucky Paizo put them up for sale at all, originally it was going to be pre-orders only.

Yeah, originally Bill was going to stick with the pre-orders only but we talked him into printing more and offering them through paizo.com. We really wanted to be sure that our audience had the opportunity to get them....we just had no idea that they would sell out this fast.

Frog God Games

Darcon - We did the best we could. What can we say? It's wasn't up to us when and how Paizo advertised the book.

Believe me when I say that we want to sell more copies.

I'm also sorry that there are those who think we have low print runs so speculators can "eBay" copies.... all I can tell you is that it's completely false and that it was a huge risk to print as many as we did.

Realize that Frog God Games is a handful of people, not a large company (if you define Paizo as 'large').

Grand Lodge

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Jeff Alvarez wrote:
deinol wrote:
CPLSAL wrote:
Are you seriously telling me this became sold out while I was checking out?
It was a very limited print run. People are lucky Paizo put them up for sale at all, originally it was going to be pre-orders only.
Yeah, originally Bill was going to stick with the pre-orders only but we talked him into printing more and offering them through paizo.com. We really wanted to be sure that our audience had the opportunity to get them....we just had no idea that they would sell out this fast.

So talk him into printing a few more for Paizo.com!!!!


Darcon wrote:

Advertising on these forums does not equate to advertising to the community of people who would be interested in buying this book, nor does the book simply being on the Paizo website.

I think those people posting here who did not get a pre-order in would have happily pre-ordered had paizo sent out an e-mail about this book back in June when it first went up for pre-order versus today when only a few hundred copies were made available.

I certainly know I would have.

I can confirm that this is basically my position. I only started roleplaying in the last 3 years (starting with 4th ed and then moving to Pathfinder), so though I was aware of something called Tome of Horrors (from the numerous statblocks included in Paizo APs and modules)I had no idea what the story was with it until I received Paizo's email this morning which, due to having worked last night the book was already sold out by the time I was able to read said email (missed it by about 2 hours I think).

I am an AP subscriber, and also a Battles subscriber now (and looking at subscribing to the hardcover line as well) and I don't really have the time or inclination to scan the quite active Paizo forums. Best I can usually manage is to follow a few individual threads after I become aware of them.

So, while I can't say I blame FGG or Paizo, I am disappointed to have missed out on this opportunity :(

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