Paul Watson |
There are a couple of feats (Animus Shield and Dancing Prana Strik) that use concentration as a prerequisite. As that not a PRPG mechanic, I preusme these are holdovers from 3.5?
I also notice they've hcanged from the presentation in Kusa of the Jade Oath. While I prefer the merging of Ki and Chi, this causes a bit of confusion.
On the positive side, I really like the variety of archetypes (ecept for hte Contemplative Monk but that's due to not being bowled over by Sutra Magic).
Rite Publishing |
I have an email in to Tim and Thilo about the Concentration mechanic oversight. Normally the way we have handled this (as we did with the enlightened scholar) is that these archetypes can use concentration in the same manner a caster does even though they are not casters (the contemplative monk is). When those two get back to me I will update the file.
@Paul I am pretty sure the document states that Ch'i and Ki are interchangeable (as I wrote that part). I don't see another way to do this, because if we go on calling it Ch'i it causes us to be in violation of the PFRPG combatibility licence when it comes to mechanics.
Frank Carr was very vocal about it remaining Ch'i due to its Chinese origin and focus vs. the Japanese Ki, but the core book calls it Ki so we must call it Ki when referring to mechanics.
Paul Watson |
I have an email in to Tim and Thilo about the Concentration mechanic oversight. Normally the way we have handled this (as we did with the enlightened scholar) is that these archetypes can use concentration in the same manner a caster does even though they are not casters (the contemplative monk is). When those two get back to me I will update the file.
@Paul I am pretty sure the document states that Ch'i and Ki are interchangeable (as I wrote that part). I don't see another way to do this, because if we go on calling it Ch'i it causes us to be in violation of the PFRPG combatibility licence when it comes to mechanics.
Frank Carr was very vocal about it remaining Ch'i due to its Chinese origin and focus vs. the Japanese Ki, but the core book calls it Ki so we must call it Ki when referring to mechanics.
Steven,
You're absolutely right. Sorry. On vacation in Vegas, so clearly brain not funtioning properly. I was referring to the need for the Ch'i Awakened feat as a prerequisite in Kusa, but that's taken care of by the need for a source of Ki points to take any Ki feat, which I hadn't fully appreciated. As I said, I like them being the same source as it smoothes the mechanics over.Lareg |
Went ahead and bought the pdf and I am happy I did. Although I was a bit surprised that Sutra Magic was needed for one of the archetypes, the quality of the feats easily made up for the added cost of the additional book.
As far as the use of concentration, the feats listed below include the skill as a prerequisite.
Animus Shield (p. 9)
Dancing Prana Strike (p. 10)
Resistance Chakra (p. 17)
Resolute Ki (p. 17)
Restorative Chakra (p. 17)
Hawkins |
Sorry about that. I missed those in my conversion. @Lareg, thank you for pointing out which feats I missed it as a prerequisite on. I will get to updating it and send the revision to Steve. If anyone else has any other instances in which I forgot to take out the Concentration mechanic, please let me know.
--Tim
Lareg |
Sorry about that. I missed those in my conversion. @Lareg, thank you for pointing out which feats I missed it as a prerequisite on. I will get to updating it and send the revision to Steve. If anyone else has any other instances in which I forgot to take out the Concentration mechanic, please let me know.
--Tim
Not a problem. Looking forward to the update. Glad to see a good product get the minor changes to make it great.
Arachne |
Although I like the new archetypes (I'm ambivalent on the feats and especially the chakras), I have to say, this product could have done with some editing. It's quite simply packed with spelling errors, sentences changing structure halfway through, etc. Most of these are mere annoyances, but there are some that make the rules unnecessarily hard to understand.
Editing errors on page 1:
- Extra space inserted between sentences in page opening quote. Double spacing is otherwise not used in this product.
- 2nd paragraph of the Contemplative Monk's flavor text not indented.
- 2nd paragraph of the Cast Sutra ability not indented.
- 1st paragraph of the Quickened Sutra ability not indented.
- Under the Powerful Sutra ability, the word "level" is misspelled "levl".
- In the 8th line of the same paragraph, there are 2 spaces between sentences.
- In the next paragraph, "descendants" is misspelled "descendents".
As noted, these are errors from page 1 *only*. The rest of the product is similarly peppered with them.
This upcoming update - does it include corrections to stuff like the above?
Ashanderai |
Not to be a pest, but how's the update looking? I was really hoping to get to use the corrections in a current game.
Some real life tragedy has caused some interference with Rite Publishing's schedule; however, things are already getting back on track.
Hawkins |
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Not to be a pest, but how's the update looking? I was really hoping to get to use the corrections in a current game.
I know that it isn't as good as having the updated PDF, but here are the changes that I emailed to the publisher:
Pg 3: "To learn or cast a spell, a kenza must have a Wisdom score equal to at least 10 + the spell level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a kenza's spell is 10 + the spell level + the inquisitor's Wisdom modifier."
Changed to: "To learn or cast a spell, a kenza must have a Wisdom score equal to at least 10 + the spell level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a kenza's spell is 10 + the spell level + the kenza's Wisdom modifier."
Pg 8: "By expending his ki focus, the yamabushi gains the ability to cast remove break enchantment or restoration as a spell-like ability, while washing the target of the spell in a pool of clean water."
Changed to: "By expending his ki focus, the yamabushi gains the ability to cast break enchantment or restoration as a spell-like ability, while washing the target of the spell in a pool of clean water."
Pg 9: Prerequisites for Animus Shield changed to: Wis 13.
Pg 10: Prerequisites for Dancing Prana Strike changed to: Dex 13, Wis 13, and Skill Focus with at least one of the following skills: Acrobatics, Climb, Perform (Dance), Ride, or Swim.
Pg 17: Prerequisites for Resistance Chakra changed to: Con 13, Dex 13, Wis 13, and 3rd-level sadhu.
Pg 17: Under Resistance Chakra, "Every 2 points of balanced ki invested in this
chakra provides a cumulative resistance of 5 to either earth
elemental damage or sonic energy damage."
Changed to: "Every 2 points of balanced ki invested in this
chakra provides a cumulative resistance of 5 to either acid or sonic energy damage."
Pg 17: Prerequisites for Resolute Ki changed to: Con 13, Wis 13, and 3rd-level sadhu.
Pg 17: Prerequisites for Restorative Chakra changed to: Con 13, Wis 13.
Pg 17: Prerequisites for Speed of the Wind changed to: Dex 13, Wis 13.
Lareg |
Lareg wrote:Not to be a pest, but how's the update looking? I was really hoping to get to use the corrections in a current game.I know that it isn't as good as having the updated PDF, but here are the changes that I emailed to the publisher...
Much appreciated. I hope things are ok. On a some what related note, any info on Archetypes of the Jade Oath?
Ashanderai |
BTW, since the Kensai archetype was mentioned up-thread, I should point out that it actually ended up in Archetypes of the Jade Oath.
Also, as the original author, I just wanted to chime in and say that I think that Timothy Wallace has been doing a great job with all the Jade Oath conversions so far.
Pagan priest |
I'd really like to offer a review of this product, but wanted to make sure the most up to date version is available. I think many might enjoy this one, but want prospective buyers to be aware of the formatting and other issues if they still haven't been addressed.
After a year and several months, I am betting that this has been updated, even though no posting mentioning that has been made...
Liz Courts Webstore Gninja Minion |
Lareg wrote:I'd really like to offer a review of this product, but wanted to make sure the most up to date version is available. I think many might enjoy this one, but want prospective buyers to be aware of the formatting and other issues if they still haven't been addressed.After a year and several months, I am betting that this has been updated, even though no posting mentioning that has been made...
My information states that this PDF was last updated in March 2011 by the publisher.
Pagan priest |
Pagan priest wrote:My information states that this PDF was last updated in March 2011 by the publisher.Lareg wrote:I'd really like to offer a review of this product, but wanted to make sure the most up to date version is available. I think many might enjoy this one, but want prospective buyers to be aware of the formatting and other issues if they still haven't been addressed.After a year and several months, I am betting that this has been updated, even though no posting mentioning that has been made...
Bummer, looks like I lost that bet...
Pity, since I'd really like to get this. Currently, I am running a Chinese based campaign, this would have been very useful.