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There'll be two pages in the revised book that talks specifically about the dead gods of Golarion. Lissala will be covered there.James Jacobs:
I don't suppose you can resurrect Lissala maybe, or at least some aspect of her legacy?
Only there was a *LOT* of interest in rune/sin/virtue magic of any kind back during the Rise of the Runelords AP, as far as I recall.
Will it include info on portfolios and domains in case we want to bring them back in our game?
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I also seem to remember that prestige class being SUPER wordy, taking up WAY more than what we could fit on a spread with an illo, and required another new subsystem of categorizing ruins on a scale of powers that would have made every ruin in the game have a stat block, yeah? We needed the prestige classes to fit on 2 pages.Actually, a divine spellcaster type prestige class would probably be a GREAT idea. Hmmmm...In a bit of irony, one of the three PrC's I wrote for the Campaign Setting (the PF Chronicler and the Low Templar being the others) *WAS* a divine caster, the "Idolater," which was kind of a cultic idol-priest. Alas, that one ended up on the cutting room floor, but presumably it lurks still somewhere in the vaults of Paizo, hammering uselessly on the walls of its electronic prison... :)
What, me write something wordy and needlessly complicated? That makes the entire game use a new subsystem? Perish the thought!
And cmon, it was only 400 words over budget. On a budget of 1450 words... :)
Also, I like picking on you. Revenge for all the killer gorillas, if you will. And the sword-breaking hook horror. (runs off to cry)
Ah, such sweet memories.
HH: "So, I've completed what you asked me to do then?"
Shensen: "Yeah, you're free to go."
DM: Okay, the suggestion effect is now over.
HH: "Thanks." FULL ATTACK - *POWER ATTACK* *SUNDER* *SUNDER* *SUNDERING BITE* ... *crunch* *tinkle* ... *cry*
Then again:
Jason: I cast swift etherealness!
James (without even pausing for breath): Swift etherealness is BANNED FROM THE CAMPAIGN!
Topped only by the look on your face when you quite calmly pointed out that I had just cast holy word... inside of a zone of silence.
Me: "Um... " (jaw drops... picks back up) "Well, that's the end of my turn."
As divine spellcaster I suggest the Pandemonic Liberator, a follower of the Cerulean Void/Pandemonium/Maelstrom itself who wants nothing more but to liberate all beings by bringing about the end of existence.
Divine. Chaos. Magic! Holy symbols containing eight arrows! You just can't say no to that!
I also seem to remember that prestige class being SUPER wordy, taking up WAY more than what we could fit on a spread with an illo, and required another new subsystem of categorizing ruins on a scale of powers that would have made every ruin in the game have a stat block, yeah? We needed the prestige classes to fit on 2 pages.
Also, I like picking on you. Revenge for all the killer gorillas, if you will. And the sword-breaking hook horror. (runs off to cry)
I'm going to say this here since it is somewhat appropriate.
I love the few times cut content has made it's way to the boards. I know there's a lot of people who want fancy web enhancements and all that(which Paizo doesn't have the time for), but I highly enjoy some extra content or a little lore here and there leaking out in a quick board post every once and awhile.
I love the few times cut content has made it's way to the boards. I know there's a lot of people who want fancy web enhancements and all that(which Paizo doesn't have the time for), but I highly enjoy some extra content or a little lore here and there leaking out in a quick board post every once and awhile.
In the case, maybe I should start throwing down the material that got cut from Realm of the Fellnight Queen. Sean indicated there might be a small chance (if they ever had time...yeah, right!) of sharing such material via a blog post or maybe a web enhancement. But if short messageboard posts can serve the same purpose...? Hmmm, what say you, Mr. Jacobs? :-D
I've thoroughly considered it, and I think making a divine prestige class that applies to all deities isn't possible. Well, rather, it is possible, but it must result in a mechanics-only PrC that basically just replaces the base class — the kind of PrC I intensely dislike.
I hope I am wrong. But classes like the Heirophant simply don't amuse me. If it is a prestige class that could just as easily be found in the CRB or another setting, why bother? Hellknights, Red Mantis Assassin, Shackles Pirates — they all have geographical and philosophical ties to Golarion. I think the new PrC should also.
Unless you invent some new expression of Divine Magic unique to Golarion, you're going to end up with a generic class. You need to limit it somehow (say, EVIL ALIGNMENT) to make it worth doing. Evil alignment is actually not a bad idea, since PrCs are best for NPCs anyway.
Just my 2cp.
I know a good home for cut content...(with approval, of course). :D
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Will it include info on portfolios and domains in case we want to bring them back in our game?There'll be two pages in the revised book that talks specifically about the dead gods of Golarion. Lissala will be covered there.James Jacobs:
I don't suppose you can resurrect Lissala maybe, or at least some aspect of her legacy?
Only there was a *LOT* of interest in rune/sin/virtue magic of any kind back during the Rise of the Runelords AP, as far as I recall.
Unlikely, but maybe. These gods are dead, and I'm wary about giving the official indication that they might not be permanently dead is all...
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I love the few times cut content has made it's way to the boards. I know there's a lot of people who want fancy web enhancements and all that(which Paizo doesn't have the time for), but I highly enjoy some extra content or a little lore here and there leaking out in a quick board post every once and awhile.In the case, maybe I should start throwing down the material that got cut from Realm of the Fellnight Queen. Sean indicated there might be a small chance (if they ever had time...yeah, right!) of sharing such material via a blog post or maybe a web enhancement. But if short messageboard posts can serve the same purpose...? Hmmm, what say you, Mr. Jacobs? :-D
I'll leave that decision up to Sean. It's possible that he might have some plans or other reasons why this might not be a good idea. Plus, I just found out he has a fear gaze attack and so I don't want to rouse his anger...
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Unlikely, but maybe. These gods are dead, and I'm wary about giving the official indication that they might not be permanently dead is all...Will it include info on portfolios and domains in case we want to bring them back in our game?There'll be two pages in the revised book that talks specifically about the dead gods of Golarion. Lissala will be covered there.James Jacobs:
I don't suppose you can resurrect Lissala maybe, or at least some aspect of her legacy?
Only there was a *LOT* of interest in rune/sin/virtue magic of any kind back during the Rise of the Runelords AP, as far as I recall.
Well it was worth a hot. :)
I'll leave that decision up to Sean. It's possible that he might have some plans or other reasons why this might not be a good idea. Plus, I just found out he has a fear gaze attack and so I don't want to rouse his anger...
D'oh! I'm with you there...
Maybe he's still channeling Ghenghis "Con" from his recent trip?
:-D
As someone who has both the hardcover and the PDF of the original: To me, a new book, but with a $10 PDF, is an excellent compromise. Folks who already own the book can get the new PDF on the cheap and get access to the new info. Frankly, anyone who expected a new hardback book out of the deal simply had unrealistic expectations (imho).
Good job, guys. :)
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These gods are dead, and I'm wary about giving the official indication that they might not be permanently dead is all...Can we get pics of their holy symbols? Surely, their symbols are still around in the setting here and there, even if they themselves are not.
Absolutely. In fact, we've already published most of their symbols elsewhere... easy job to reprint them in this book! :-)
Are you going to provide an upgrade to Pathfinder for those of us who bought the original book?
Are you going to provide an upgrade to Pathfinder for those of us who bought the original book?
As an owner of the original book, I think charging $10 for the PDF (all-new) is a pretty good compromise, no?
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Unlikely, but maybe. These gods are dead, and I'm wary about giving the official indication that they might not be permanently dead is all...
Well, a game set in the past could use that information... after all, at some point in time, these gods were officially alive and where granting powers to their followers.
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Well, a game set in the past could use that information... after all, at some point in time, these gods were officially alive and where granting powers to their followers.
Unlikely, but maybe. These gods are dead, and I'm wary about giving the official indication that they might not be permanently dead is all...
But I can see James' point that this book might not be a good place for that information. Maybe a web enhancement would be a better place.
And cmon, it was only 400 words over budget. On a budget of 1450 words... :)
Percentage-wise, Jason has me beat for running over budget with that one versus The Great Beyond. Sean can never pick on me for being wordy now, ever again. Hear that Sean! ;)
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And cmon, it was only 400 words over budget. On a budget of 1450 words... :)Percentage-wise, Jason has me beat for running over budget with that one versus The Great Beyond. Sean can never pick on me for being wordy now, ever again. Hear that Sean! ;)
Cmon, it's only 27.7% over. How bad could it be?
Of course, over budget for one spread vs. a whole book? Yeahhhhhhh... :)
I just have one request for this book:
Please do not use that pinhead looking Andoran Knight art from the Gazetteer and the original PFCS book
I just have one request for this book:
Please do not use that pinhead looking Andoran Knight art from the Gazetteer and the original PFCS book
God I hate that piece of art. It isn't often I look at a piece of art and think "I could improve that using Photoshop" ('cause I care barely use Photoshop), but that one is just SO BAD...
well just the head was bad if ya want to be honest. I think it was aiming form looking up from the ground but it just didn't pull it off
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About the 4th PrC being divine, I have some thoughts. Just off the top of my head, I can name 4 gods that are probably the most popular with PC clerics: Sarenrae, Iomedae, Desna and Cayden Cailean. If the goal is to have a PrC that players will take (as opposed to DM/NPC fodder), then the fourth PrC should focus on one of these four.
Desna is somewhat regional, with a heavy folowing among Varisians. This is good and bad for the same reasons: every one of the PrCs in the book have representatives in the Varisia-set APs.
Iomedae, as a martial goddess, could be represented both regionally or as a generic "warpriest" (usable by any god granting the War domain).
Cayden Cailean could be regional (Absalom), or he could be swashbuckler-ish, but that's not such a good fit for most divine casters. Maybe both a pro and a con?
Finally, Sarenrae. She is already regional, and a PrC has already been devoted to her somewhere. Perhaps a PrC that focuses less on fighting with a scimitar and more on healing/blowing up undead with positive energy?
Just my random thoughts....
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Finally, Sarenrae. She is already regional, and a PrC has already been devoted to her somewhere. Perhaps a PrC that focuses less on fighting with a scimitar and more on healing/blowing up undead with positive energy?Just my random thoughts....
The Sarenrae PrC was in Wayfinder #1. There's never been one directly published by Paizo.
If there's going to be a divine caster prestige class in there, I hope it will be one that druids (and oracles, etc.) can qualify for as well. I'm not holding my breath, though.
Well, here's another thought...
If there are any gods who are actually tied together in a subgroup (as often happens in myth) there could be a divine PrC that let you worship those multiple gods at once, and derive special pantheistic powers, or extra domains or something. But I wouldn't want it to be generic, I would want to see specific god-groups established.
If it were based on domain access pre-reqs somehow, the Druid would be eligible as well. You could create two or even three such groups, do give the class some diverse options, but I hesitate to segregate them along alignment lines. It would be much more interesting to have a cleric who, for example, derived power from a good AND an evil god who were conceptually linked somehow.
Well, looking at the balance of the other classes, they all have some divine take on the current standard (if I'm understanding them right - I'm still new to the Golarion CS). Red Mantis assassins are sneaky types... who are religious fanatics. Hellknights are fighters... with a religious devotion to Hell. Harrowers are arcane casters... with religious connections to tribal spirits. So personally, I'd like to see some divine PrC that deemphasizes the religious aspects.
This could be a scholarly type like the archivist, a warrior type like the war-priest, or a stealthy type like... well, nothing springs to mind. Or maybe a demon-lord servitor, though that would limit usefulness to PCs.
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I should point out that the Harrower works just as well as a divine spellcaster as an arcane spellcaster. NO where in the harrower's description does it require arcane spellcasting at all. In fact, it's probably easier to qualify as a cleric or druid, since they get faster access to the requirement of being able to cast 3 divination spells.
The current frontrunner for the 4th prestige class, by the way, is a reworked genie binder type class from the Qadira book that'll serve as both a divine and arcane spellcaster prestige class.
I should point out that the Harrower works just as well as a divine spellcaster as an arcane spellcaster. NO where in the harrower's description does it require arcane spellcasting at all. In fact, it's probably easier to qualify as a cleric or druid, since they get faster access to the requirement of being able to cast 3 divination spells.
The current frontrunner for the 4th prestige class, by the way, is a reworked genie binder type class from the Qadira book that'll serve as both a divine and arcane spellcaster prestige class.
Would a reworking make them more like a Sha'ir by any chance? I loved that class in Al Quadim.
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Would a reworking make them more like a Sha'ir by any chance? I loved that class in Al Quadim.I should point out that the Harrower works just as well as a divine spellcaster as an arcane spellcaster. NO where in the harrower's description does it require arcane spellcasting at all. In fact, it's probably easier to qualify as a cleric or druid, since they get faster access to the requirement of being able to cast 3 divination spells.
The current frontrunner for the 4th prestige class, by the way, is a reworked genie binder type class from the Qadira book that'll serve as both a divine and arcane spellcaster prestige class.
It would make them less like the sha'ir, in fact. There's no room to present a brand new magic system in 2 pages.
Okay, maybe a dumb question, but how many of these are there? Is this the first such book? Aside from the core rules and these messageboards, I have little to no understanding of Golarion, but at least one of my players has been pushing me to check it out, and I'd like to know what I'm in for.
The current frontrunner for the 4th prestige class, by the way, is a reworked genie binder type class from the Qadira book that'll serve as both a divine and arcane spellcaster prestige class.
Would it be possible to rework that binder type class to be able to bind other entities in addition/lieu to genies? Not exactly in the way that WotC's Tome of Magic did with their Binder, but it would be interesting to see.
I'd like to see more 5 level PrCs versus the seemingly standard 10 levels.
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Okay, maybe a dumb question, but how many of these are there? Is this the first such book? Aside from the core rules and these messageboards, I have little to no understanding of Golarion, but at least one of my players has been pushing me to check it out, and I'd like to know what I'm in for.
The title implies that there will be other World Guides covering different regions of Golarion, but this is the only one that has been announced. The Pathfinder Chronicles campaign setting has regions inspired by all sorts of places both real and imagined, including East Asia, India, Pre-Columbian America, and Australia, though none of these have been detailed yet nor will they be covered in this book. It will focus on the Inner Sea, which consists of two continents.
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James Jacobs:
I'm confused as to what you're referring to here, as I think the genie-binder was a 5-level prestige class presented in one of the Legacy of Fire path volumes, whilst the genie-friend ('Daivrat') is the 10-level prestige class from the Qadira book.I agree that either prestige class would probably fit the qualifications of presenting strong imagery and bidding to be 'iconic', although the binder had some additional material on seals I think you might have to include with it too. (You might want to include some stuff on Sulesh the Magnificent in the expanded Campaign Setting anyway. :) )
I was indeed a bit confused there... but it doesn't matter now because the pendulum is swinging back toward the good old Low Templar. It's crazy-time in prestigeclassland!
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That's an awesome choice too and a wickedly popular class in our gaming circles right now, but I don't know where it's being referenced from.
I remember when the "anti-paladin" was first introduced back in first edition and I've always liked the idea of a paladin free of the lawful good restrictions that have a tendency of dividing the party due to moral compass issues.
So the Templar can be of any good or neutral alignment, excluding lawful good and evil alignments correct?
The current Low Templar has no alignment restrictions, although he must choose darkness/light at levels 5 and 10.
They are people who took the Crusader's Oath but have been sullied in some way by the harsh realities of the Worldwound.
You can play a Low Templar of any alignment and if you wanted to you could create an anti-paladin vibe for an evil Low Templar.
For what its worth, I do like the Low Templar, and if there isn't a book slated to update it if its scrubbed from the Campaign Setting, I'd be a little bummed. For what its worth.
