Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 2 (OGL)

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Go beyond goblins with an army of fantasy's most fearsome foes! Bestiary 2 presents hundreds of different creatures for use in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. Within this collection of creatures you'll find undead dragons and mischievous gremlins, shrieking banshees and unstoppable titans, the infamous jabberwock, and so much more! Yet not all these monsters need to be foes, as new breeds of otherworldly guardians, living shadows, and vampires all might take up adventure's call. In addition, new rules for customizing and advancing monsters and an expanded glossary of creature abilities ensure that you'll be prepared to challenge your heroes wherever adventure takes them!

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 is the second indispensable volume of monsters for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and serves as a companion to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook and Pathfinder RPG Bestiary. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 10 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into the new millennium.

The 320-page Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 includes:

  • More than 300 different monsters
  • Creatures both new and familiar, drawing upon the best-known beasts of legend, literature, and Pathfinder RPG adventures
  • Challenges for any adventure and every level of play
  • Hosts of new templates and variants, including simple templates for on-the-fly creature customization
  • Numerous lists of monsters to aid in navigation, including lists by Challenge Rating, monster type, and habitat
  • New rules for creating and running high-level menaces
  • Expanded universal monster rules to simplify special attacks, defenses, and qualities
  • New familiars, animal companions, and other allies
  • ... and much, much more!

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My favorite book from Paizo.

5/5

This book so far has been my favorite purchase of ALL of my RPG books.
I don't know if I can explain the fervor I have for this book but I will try.

So first of all there is the cover, the ever feared Jabberwock(y) of Lewis Carroll legend. Having a tough SOB (CR23) on the cover is the best way to start things off I think. Lets me know im in for a ride with this book.

While the first Bestiary was the standard array of Monsters we have all come to know and love through years of them being reprinted for games the Bestiary 2 is where Paizo took off on its own with a whole slew of new monster and just general new ideas for monsters. A handful of new extraplanar monsters of various alignments were added such as The Aeons, Qlippoths and Daemons all have decently written history and offer a lot of inspiration for using them in games.

The two things I love best about this book are as follows.
One: New dragons, and not just more "coloured or metal" dragons, but a new type of dragon altogether: Primal Dragons. These bad boys have probably the best art in the whole book (magma, im looking at you) and they make for a nice change from the everyday.

Two: The art, while the art in Bestiary 1 is GOOD, its not near as sharp, crisp, and detailed as this book. The colours, the textures, the everything, all done very well. You will not be disappointed when looking through this book.


Great buy!

5/5

I really enjoyed the artwork and the monsters presented in this book, especially the Qlippoth! Must have for your pathfinder library!


Back to the Golden Age

5/5

Looking through the PDF of Bestiary 2, I find myself remembering the days in the 1980s when I'd sit in the back of the mall bookstore and leaf through the various gaming tomes I couldn't possibly buy all of.

Crystal Dragons, Aeons, and several others in this book remind of that golden era, when DMs had such a wide variety of unusual (and often new-age-y) creatures at their disposals, they couldn't possibly ever use them all.

Sure, some of the creatures are a little odd, but on the other hand, the vast variety will lead to some adventurer groups with a far different list of encountered monsters than the norm.

I personally can't wait to spring the Dullahan (aka Headless Horseman) and Animate Dream on my party!


Something does not add up...

3/5

Not as extensive as the first, yet the same price...

I do not mind the creatures in this book, but it does get less use than my other bestiary. However it still has the same problem as the first also. The use of generic rules for a creature type. For an actual hardcover book to be useful in a game (for creatures) you MUST be able to have all rules for the creature on the one page. The use of rules based on a type of creature that you need to leave the creatures page to reference is irritating and a waste of in game time.

Please fix this problem. I understand that constructs all have similarities but I need the rules on each constructs page to reference. Not have to skip to the end of the book to see if they have something relevant when they need it.


Cautiously recommended

4/5

I find some of the artwork choices dubious and some of the stat-blocks clearly don't hold up under close examination.
Also only about a third of the creature content is of current use/interest to me.

BUT, all that said, in a book this size at this price that third of content is the right side of value for money for me, and there's enough variety here in the creatures that I don't personally have much time for that I'm certain most of them will appeal to a fair portion of the audience amongst other readers. This is a follow-up bestiary - and like most such works it faces the challenge that most of the decent staples of fantasy have already been covered in an earlier work, inviting the editors to try and diversify to give everyone a bit of what they might want...

Warts and all this is a pretty spiffing book, and I would cautiously recommend it.
I give it a rating of four stars.


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Steel_Wind wrote:
I suppose the real situation is whether or not there is any shipment to Diamond Comics in Canada, or if such delivery of products to the Canadian retail market wholly rely upon Diamond Comics as distributor in the USA. My guess is that it is probably Diamond dealing with that distribution and not Paizo.

We have four Canadian distributors: Everest and Lion Rampant in Ontario, New Century in British Columbia, and Universal in Quebec. However, my understanding is that many Canadian retailers choose to order from US distributors anyway, as they tend to provide a broader range of products.


Appendices conveniently list cohorts and animal companions from Bestiary 2, but there is no such list for new familiars. Casting "Find" on the PDF yields --

Aeon, Paracletus
Agathion, Silvanshee
Angel, Cassisian
Azata, Lyrakien
Brownie
Daemon, Cacodaemon
Dinosaur, Composgnathus
Inevitable, Arbiter
Protean, Voidworm
Quippoth, Cythnigot
Snapping Turtle


My only gripe is it seemed like they forgot the APG when doing the write ups for the elemental plane-touched races. Nothing for oracles or elemental specialist wizards for them.

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Jason Ellis 350 wrote:
My only gripe is it seemed like they forgot the APG when doing the write ups for the elemental plane-touched races. Nothing for oracles or elemental specialist wizards for them.

Less forgot, and more "made a conscious decision not to make any optional rulebook dependent on rules from another optional rulebook"

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cappadocius wrote:
Jason Ellis 350 wrote:
My only gripe is it seemed like they forgot the APG when doing the write ups for the elemental plane-touched races. Nothing for oracles or elemental specialist wizards for them.
Less forgot, and more "made a conscious decision not to make any optional rulebook dependent on rules from another optional rulebook"

Ironic justification on your end, considering that the undine uses a SLA from the Advanced Player's Guide.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

And a moot point, given that the APG content are up in the PRD :)

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

and since they specifically say the apg is required for using the book.

Combine that with the fact that the lines "for an oracle of X, this race gets y benefit" wouldn't harm anyone without the apg at all.

In other words, the complaint is legitamate.

Contributor

Hey folks! Don't forget about the deceptive timing of turnovers and development in contrast to actual publication dates. When most of these monsters were being written, the APG was still a long, long way off from publication. I know I turned over my Bestiary II contributions in late 2009. The APG debuted at GenCon in August 2010, so the APG material wasn't exactly finished to make proper use of for all contributors. =-)

Contributor

Brandon, you should know by now that gamers will always find something to complain about....


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Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Brandon, you should know by now that gamers will always find something to complain about....

I don't think Bestiary should be capitalized on the Cover!!! ;)

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Justin Franklin wrote:
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Brandon, you should know by now that gamers will always find something to complain about....
I don't think Bestiary should be capitalized on the Cover!!! ;)

I think there should be Blue Draconals :P

(seriously, thanks for the clarification on that thread Sean. I was surprised.)

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Brandon, you should know by now that gamers will always find something to complain about....

Yeah, I have no complaints about Bestiary II, but I *do* dislike your avatar! C'mon, Sean -- what is that? A bottle? Why did you not use your photograph, like I did? Are you ashamed of your shiny pate, Balddude? ;P

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Brandon, you should know by now that gamers will always find something to complain about....

I see nothing to complain about. NEW MONSTERS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Shadow Lodge

Waaaaaa!! You should have used the Roman numeral II instead of the Arabic numeral 2.


What! no evil gingerbreadmen,no toy soilder swarm,no giant fire breathing teddy bears. I am very disapointed in this product you guys have the nerve to call a beastairy. But seriously can't wait to get my hands on this little gem of a book of monsters.


Wouldn't call it much of a complaint. It's more of an observation ;)


"Waiter, there's a fly in my soup."

Waiter: "STFU NOOB!"


so just to clarify the Bestiary 2 mentions the need for the APG yet no were in the description is it listed as so. in fact the only thing the blurb says about other books is this.

"The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 is the second indispensable volume of monsters for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and serves as a companion to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook and Pathfinder RPG Bestiary. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 10 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into the new millennium."

I only ask because I was sure that it was stated that nothing would require the need for any book other than the core rule book and maybe Bestiary 1.

I only ask because though I have the pdf of the APG many people I know do not have that book but are getting this one.

Contributor

Other than a few references to SLAS of spells from the APG (and IIRC it's just a handful), there is nothing you need the APG for in Bestiary 2.

Note that the Credits page does say, right under the golem logo, "This product makes use of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook and Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Advanced Player's Guide. These rules can be found online as part of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document at http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd."

So even if you don't have the APG, you can look up those spells or whatever online, for free.


my question then is shouldn't the text above in the description of the book mention the need for the APG. right now as I posted previously it says

"The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 2 is the second indispensable volume of monsters for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and serves as a companion to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook and Pathfinder RPG Bestiary. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 10 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into the new millennium."

no were does it say anything about the APG. I only bring this up because I know people who will be agitated at this being that they do not use the APG.

Grand Lodge

Solrenevermead,
As Sean mentioned, it is no more then a cursory need for the APG. There might be a mention of a spell or two once in a while in a creatures description/stat block. Other then that there is NO need for the APG what so ever. So there is really no need to even mention the APG in the description as you mention.

As you said some DM's do not want the APG in their game and they can STILL have that choice. If they do not want the occasional spell from it either then they can do that too. they just have to replace the one spell then. Not like it is a major thing to overcome, as it is minor to say the the least. If a DM does not have the book though and does want to at least find out about the spell not listed in the Core Rules. They can on line for free in the PFSRD. I think that is MORE then reasonable, don't you?


Dragon78 wrote:
What! no evil gingerbreadmen,no toy soilder swarm,no giant fire breathing teddy bears. I am very disapointed in this product you guys have the nerve to call a beastairy. But seriously can't wait to get my hands on this little gem of a book of monsters.

Toy soldier swarm..that put an Evil DM grin on my face..

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Heh, I only said the complaint was legitimate, not that it breaks the binding on the book. It's easy enough to houserule benefits in for those races for the APG classes/archetypes. Just countering the claim made above that the APG was intentionally left out of the B2 by Paizo.


What are the top 10 most powerful(highest CR) creatures in this book?

What are your top 10 monsters in the book?

Contributor

Solrenevermead wrote:

my question then is shouldn't the text above in the description of the book mention the need for the APG. right now as I posted previously it says

...
no were does it say anything about the APG. I only bring this up because I know people who will be agitated at this being that they do not use the APG.

If they get upset because of a couple of APG spell references that they can look up for free online, well, I'd like to show them a billion examples of people with real problems.


whether or not the info can be attained for free. the fact remains that the consumer is unaware of the need for such info until after purchase. and I have players in my group and in friends groups who reside without internet or are unable to access internet easily. it also brings up the point that I was under the impression that the APG and GMG were optional. it was my understanding that the only information from a book you would need was from core and bestiary 1. that is to say that a splat book would never be needed for another splat book

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

We should probably change the description on the website, for all the good that will do your friends without internet access...

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Solrenevermead wrote:
it was my understanding that the only information from a book you would need was from core and bestiary 1.

Yes. Note that Bestiary 2 is neither the Core nor Bestiary 1. You don't need anything from it, or the APG, to run your games.


Damon Griffin wrote:

Appendices conveniently list cohorts and animal companions from Bestiary 2, but there is no such list for new familiars. Casting "Find" on the PDF yields --

Aeon, Paracletus
Agathion, Silvanshee
Angel, Cassisian
Azata, Lyrakien
Brownie
Daemon, Cacodaemon
Dinosaur, Composgnathus
Inevitable, Arbiter
Protean, Voidworm
Quippoth, Cythnigot
Snapping Turtle

I'm looking for this too. Any info?


Solrenevermead wrote:
whether or not the info can be attained for free. the fact remains that the consumer is unaware of the need for such info until after purchase. and I have players in my group and in friends groups who reside without internet or are unable to access internet easily. it also brings up the point that I was under the impression that the APG and GMG were optional. it was my understanding that the only information from a book you would need was from core and bestiary 1. that is to say that a splat book would never be needed for another splat book

If it helps one way or another, scanning through the book it seemed like the following monsters had spells from the APG: brine dragon, cloud dragon, magma dragon, undine.

A number of those sample dragon stat blocks use the Advanced Player's Guide for a few of the spells known, I don't think ignoring them would affect the dragon horribly. The brine and magma dragons each get an Advanced Player's Guide spell as a spell-like ability, but only as great wyrms.


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Gorbacz wrote:

I have a legal-ish question to the powers that be or homegrown OGL experts:

Bestiary 2 draws monsters from both the Tome of Horror series and Book of Fiends. However, when the ToH is invoked in the OGL at the end, it is every monster separately (making for a longest section 15 I've ever seen), but when BoF is invoked it's just the book without listing the individual critters. Why is it so ?

Clark & Bill from Necromancer Games had reasons for doing the OGL that way, but I don't quite remember what they were. I think it had something to do with making sure that the creators of the individual monsters got credited whenever the monsters were re-published in other products.


Snatcherbanderwocky wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:

Appendices conveniently list cohorts and animal companions from Bestiary 2, but there is no such list for new familiars. Casting "Find" on the PDF yields --

Aeon, Paracletus
Agathion, Silvanshee
Angel, Cassisian
Azata, Lyrakien
Brownie
Daemon, Cacodaemon
Dinosaur, Composgnathus
Inevitable, Arbiter
Protean, Voidworm
Quippoth, Cythnigot
Snapping Turtle

I'm looking for this too. Any info?

I am as well, the first half of those creatures simply state "can be taken as a familiar by a spellcaster who meets the prerequisites" which is vague to say the least.


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

I just purchased the Pathfinder RPG subscription and chose Bestiary 2. How come the PDF for the Bestiary 2 does not show up under "My Downloads"? It is available now for subscribers, yes?

Grand Lodge

Hobbun wrote:
I just purchased the Pathfinder RPG subscription and chose Bestiary 2. How come the PDF for the Bestiary 2 does not show up under "My Downloads"? It is available now for subscribers, yes?

As a subscriber you get the PDF when the item ships, so you'll probably get it sometime this week.


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

Ok, thanks.

But I'm just curious, how have people been already viewing and making comments on the book? I assumed it was because they received the PDF as subscribers, but that is not the case.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Shipments for subscribes began 2 weeks ago, if somebody was a subscriber at that point and got his package shipped then he got the access to the PDF.

You just signed up, so first the package must be paid for and shipped, and then you get the PDF.


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

Shoot, I forgot Paizo doesn't charge you until the physical copy ships.

As long as it ships this week, then I am ok with it. We are gaming next Saturday and would like at least the PDF available.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Hobbun wrote:

Shoot, I forgot Paizo doesn't charge you until the physical copy ships.

As long as it ships this week, then I am ok with it. We are gaming next Saturday and would like at least the PDF available.

Paizo is closed until Wednsday, so perhaps you could shoot the custserv a nice email asking to ship yours before the end of the week :)


I have a quick question here: just what kinds of agathion do they have in the book? I guess it'd be a bit much to hope for lupinals, wouldn't it?


Heh heh....reading through the list, I thought it said "Carnivorous Bob."

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Eric Hinkle wrote:
I have a quick question here: just what kinds of agathion do they have in the book? I guess it'd be a bit much to hope for lupinals, wouldn't it?

No Lupinans but there is Vupinals

Dark Archive

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bigkilla wrote:
Eric Hinkle wrote:
I have a quick question here: just what kinds of agathion do they have in the book? I guess it'd be a bit much to hope for lupinals, wouldn't it?
No Lupinans but there is Vupinals

Lupinals are WotC IP, so you'll never see them in Pathfindder, officially. Same with Ursinals, Cervidals, and whatnot. The only OGC ones were the Leonals and Avorals.

Bestiary 2 adds Cetaceals (CR 15 orca-based ocean dwellers), Draconals (CR 20 powerhouses that are dragon-based and focused on Chinese color beliefs rather than any metallic or chromatic type thing), Silvanshee (a CR 2 advanced familiar-type that's basically the Elven cat or caith sith that's been floating around the game for decades), and the bardic Vulpinals (Small-sized, fox-based).

Now there are references to other possible types, including bears and wolves, but we don't get anything close to stat blocks, just a few lines, quoted hereafter.

Bestiary 2 wrote:
The following pages describe only a few of the best-known kinds of agathions, but other types exist, corresponding to other conventional animals (bears, dinosaurs, fish, wolves, and so on), with a few having shapes that resemble insects (particularly beetles, butterflies, and mantises); a handful resemble stranger creatures (such as basilisks and owlbears) or unique “animals” native to extreme environments on distant worlds. Certain animals, particularly those associated with scavenging activities (such as hyenas, buzzards, or jackals) or parasitism (like lampreys or ticks) specifically do not have agathions associated with them—these animals are not intrinsically evil, but their habits and ecological niches are far from the noble and proud traditions that most of the souls who seek enlightenment upon Nirvana would associate with themselves.


I remember the poster had Vulpinal, Leonal, Avoral, and Draconal. Oh and another one that can be used as a familiar with the Improved familiar feat....Silvanshee that was the name.


How's this work?

AGATHION, Wolf-like:

XP 4800
NG Medium Outsider (Agathion, Extraplanar, Good)
Init +8; Senses Darkvision 60 ft., detect evil, low-light vision, Perception +19, see invisibility, scent
Aura Fear Aura (30 ft., DC 16)
DEFENSE
AC 21, Touch 14, Flat-footed 17 (+4 Dexterity, +7 natural)
hp 84 (8d10+40)
Fort +11, Ref +10, Will +6; +4 vs. poisons
DR 10/evil or silver; Immune electricity and petrification; Resist cold 10 and sonic 10; SR 19
OFFENSE
Speed 50 ft.
Melee 2 claws +13 (d4+5) and 1 bite +13 (d6+7 plus trip)
Spell-like Abilities (CL 8th, Concentration +10)
constant – detect evil, see invisibility, speak with animals
at will – blink, blur, darkness, disguise self
3/day – cone of cold (4th level spell; DC 16), cure moderate wounds (DC 14), fly, gaseous form, magic missile
1/day – hunter’s howl, tireless pursuit
STATISTICS
Str 21, Dex 19, Con 20, Int 16, Wis 18, Cha 15
Base Attack +8, CMB +13, CMD 27
Feats Dodge, Improved Initiative, OutflankTW, Precise StrikeTW
Skills Acrobatics +15, Bluff +7, Handle Animal +13, Intimidate +11, Knowledge (nature) +14, Knowledge (planes) +14, Perception +19, Sense Motive +15, Stealth +19, Survival +15 (+19 when tracking by scent); Racial Modifiers +4 to Perception, +4 to Stealth, +4 to Survival when tracking by Scent
Languages Celestial, Draconic, Infernal; speak with animals, truespeech
SQ Lay on Hands (4d6, 6/day, as an 8th level paladin)


Haven't had a chance to play-test it yet, so CR may need adjusting.
Pretty much just took what i could find on the lupinal, and mixed it with the agathion subtype. Took a few liberties with the feats and spells, pullling from the APG.


Izkrael wrote:

How's this work?

** spoiler omitted **

Hey, looks good to me! Thanks, Izrakel.


No problem. I haven't had a chance to play in a while, so any chance to stretch the brain out is enjoyed.


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Gorbacz wrote:
Hobbun wrote:

Shoot, I forgot Paizo doesn't charge you until the physical copy ships.

As long as it ships this week, then I am ok with it. We are gaming next Saturday and would like at least the PDF available.

Paizo is closed until Wednsday, so perhaps you could shoot the custserv a nice email asking to ship yours before the end of the week :)

Yes, I think I am going to do that, thanks.

Btw, I believe they are closed until Tuesday, they return on Wednesday. At least it says on their website they are closed until the 28th (which is tomorrow, Tuesday).


Kthulhu wrote:
Waaaaaa!! You should have used the Roman numeral II instead of the Arabic numeral 2.

Sorry. The Roman Numeral II has been copyrighted by WOTC.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

I'm curious why anyone would prefer Roman numerals in this instance. Please elucidate.

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