The Genius Guide to Ice Magic (PFRPG) PDF

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It’s winter! Time for a cold spell!

Of all the damage types, fire and lightning seem to get all the best coverage. Maybe it’s because fireball and lightning bolt are quantum leaps forward in the offensive arsenals of low-level sorcerers and wizards, or just that there’s a limited amount of space in any core rulebook, that an idea like an Ice cleric domain or a Cold wizard specialty that’s separate from the more material idea of elemental water is overlooked. But that doesn’t explain their absence from rules expansions? Why are there so few new options to keep characters in the cold?

The Genius Guide to Ice Magic aims to fix that by presenting new cold and ice spells (including at least one spell for every level), and a broad range of new class options designed to help spellcasters who want to focus on the magic of cold and ice.

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One of the better Ice magic additions

4/5

This product is 10 pages.

It adds 13 new spells, 1 new Sorc bloodline, 1 new Wiz speciality and Ice Domain. Along with a new feat Cold Focus (add +2 to DC of cold spells) and a new monster template, Arctic.

The spells are mostly interesting and seem balanced. Several of them are based losselly on existing spells. I would have liked to have seen a few more inventive new spells, that really fit the concept*. If it had, had more spells like that i would have given it 5 stars likely. I do hope they do a follow up book to this. Perhaps a elements book that adds in more spells for all 4 elements including a lot more ice spells.

*Example of what I mean. they have create ice a cantrip that makes a 5 ft sheet of ice. But I would have liked to have seen this expanded and the level increased.


I'm a sucker for cold magic

4/5

I agree with the premise in the beginning of this article, that cold magic could really be expanded. I still have some things that I'm wondering about, after having read through this.

I love the idea of a spell that creates rough terrain, but I'm not sure that the level is quite right. I'll have to think about it, but its a great idea.

I'm pretty sure the avalanche spell has a typo, in that it mentions the avalanche affecting characters as if it was Bull Rushing with a CMD of X + X . . . I'm pretty sure this is suppose to be a CMB instead, but its a minor typo, unless I'm really misunderstanding the spell.

I really like the cold bloodline for the sorcerer, but I'm not sold on the cold specialist wizard, perhaps because I'm still wondering if there will be an official option for elemental wizards, and if there is, I'd like to see how they look first before I can judge how this would stack up.

Overall, again, for the price, this is an excellent buy, even if you don't end up using everything out of it.


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Hyrum.


Nice work, overall. I had never actually noticed that there was no bloodline for cold/frost or Domain. I guess the only thing I would actually question is the autocrit on Iceshockle when its a ranged attack. I know it ends the spell, but that's still a pretty powerful punch.
Considering the amount of 3E and 3rd party spells floating around out there, great job on not treading old ground!

Sczarni

Seriously considering getting this one, just a quick question, does it have only spells or a miriad of ice related stuff?

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Frerezar wrote:
Seriously considering getting this one, just a quick question, does it have only spells or a miriad of ice related stuff?

It's got spells, a new domain, a new bloodline and other ice related stuff. :)

Hyrum.

Scarab Sages

While cold/ice/snow realted spells are the heart of this book, it does also have a the ice domain for clerics (and druids), frost bloodline for sorcerers, cold specialization for wizards, arctic template, simple rules for ice elementals, and the Cold Focus feat.

Sczarni

too late, got it already hehe


The quick and dirty ice elementals were pretty nifty I must admit

Dark Archive

Always been a huge fan of ice based spell casters. Put this in my cart to buy next week.


What about us Earth-based Sorcerers??? Us acid folks never get any love!!! :)

Sczarni

Maybe if you were sweeter people you´d get some love.


Frerezar wrote:
Maybe if you were sweeter people you´d get some love.

*cries*


I tried to give an honest review. Undeadlord, does you GM allow spells of elemental descriptors to be learned differently or can you use your elemental powers to convert it as an earth sorcerer?


I built a cleric dedicated to Thor. Weather and Cold domains sporting a warhammer. We'll see how it pans out this weekend.

Liberty's Edge

How does this book treat the Humble Bard?


Undeadlord wrote:
What about us Earth-based Sorcerers??? Us acid folks never get any love!!! :)

I've always wanted to play an earth-based dwarven druid, but there is nothing out there for this idea. Any plans for an earth-based sourcebook?

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Holodrum wrote:
How does this book treat the Humble Bard?

Bards got one spell and then there is a few feats they could take. But all and all not much here for bards.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Okay, I picked this up last night. Overall, I really like it. But I can't help but notice some small errors throughout.

1) The biting wind spell says it causes "subdual" damage. This should be nonlethal damage.

2) The algid aura spell says that the caster gains the cold "descriptor" for the duration of the spell. This should be subtype. Further, it says that that makes him take double damage from fire; a creature with the cold subtype should have fire vulnerability, which means that they take +50% damage from fire, not double damage.

3) The iceshockle spell says that since one of the caster's hands is covered by the spell, he can't cast spells with "Somatic" (the capitalization is from the book, and isn't necessary) components for the duration of the spell. This is incorrect, as spellcasters need only one free hand to cast spells with somatic components.

Scarab Sages

Legit complaints all. We'll get it fixed, replaced, and updated for everyone who has bought a copy.

At least I didn't have peopl saving vs r/s/w or dealing differet damage vs large creatures. Sometimes, I wish I could vacuum some old rules out of my head...


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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
Sometimes, I wish I could vacuum some old rules out of my head...

Maybe you could do a deal with WotC for a one-time use of their illithid IP to help out with that problem? ;-)


"3) The iceshockle spell says that since one of the caster's hands is covered by the spell, he can't cast spells with "Somatic" (the capitalization is from the book, and isn't necessary) components for the duration of the spell. This is incorrect, as spellcasters need only one free hand to cast spells with somatic components."

Is that going to cause a balance problem? Iceshockle is a pretty strong spell and the somatic restriction is a good check.


Maybe ice both hands, the iceshockle on one and a thin shell on the other causing ASF % to go up like wielding a shield, but grant a +1 shield bonus the off hand if nothing is held there...

Hmmm... no, this probably makes the balance problem worse... ???

Scarab Sages

IronDesk wrote:
Is that going to cause a balance problem? Iceshockle is a pretty strong spell and the somatic restriction is a good check.

I looked at that. It's 4th level, so the melee aspect is honestly not that good given a wizard's base attack at that point. And the ranged attack, evena s a critical, does 6d6 with a ranged touch attack required. I think it's fine.


i like the feel of the ice sorcerer. i have a player that has made one and its working out great.
thanx for putting out quality products.
(any chance for a sonic sorcerer/wizard?)


i meant sorcerer/cleric, not wizard. sorry.

Scarab Sages

A LOT of our products are direct responses to fan requests, so I'll absolutely add a sonic magic book (probably called either Song Magic or Thunder Magic, depending) on our list of things to get too.


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
A LOT of our products are direct responses to fan requests, so I'll absolutely add a sonic magic book (probably called either Song Magic or Thunder Magic, depending) on our list of things to get too.

THANKS! This made my day


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
A LOT of our products are direct responses to fan requests, so I'll absolutely add a sonic magic book (probably called either Song Magic or Thunder Magic, depending) on our list of things to get too.

Yes, Thunder Magic please!

Dark Archive

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"Song Magic" sounds like a book for Bards. Maybe not a bad idea down the road*, but as a sequel of sorts to Ice Magic, Thunder Magic seems the way to go.

*Assuming of course you don't want to look at Monte Cook's take on Song Magic in Complete Book of Eldritch Might.


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Kvantum wrote:

"Song Magic" sounds like a book for Bards. Maybe not a bad idea down the road*, but as a sequel of sorts to Ice Magic, Thunder Magic seems the way to go.

*Assuming of course you don't want to look at Monte Cook's take on Song Magic in Complete Book of Eldritch Might.

I dunno. "Thunder Magic" seems like it could be easily misinterpreted as being about electricity magic.

...assuming, you know, that nobody read the product description or anything.


Well, the players in my campaign are about to have the BIG BOSS FIGHT that will end Part 1. They have been doling out the fireballs, fire breath attack (gold dragon/dragonrider) and enjoying nice fire resistance/fire immunity. As the campaign started in Brevoy and worked its way down to Isarn (and even had bits in the Fog Peaks), they've been dealing with a lot of fire vulnerability.

Well, now they are in Absaolom and it's time to turn the tables. :)

I just rolled up a lvl 5 human alchemist with frost bombs and a lvl 5 Wyrd ice wizard. :) (I'm throwing in 4 lvl 4 Rokugan ninja and a lion to fill out the CR)

hehe -- can't wait to use this one!!

Scarab Sages

Denim N Leather wrote:

I just rolled up a lvl 5 human alchemist with frost bombs and a lvl 5 Wyrd ice wizard. :) (I'm throwing in 4 lvl 4 Rokugan ninja and a lion to fill out the CR)

hehe -- can't wait to use this one!!

There is something strangely appropriate about a wyrd ice wizard. :D Lemme know how it works out!

Dark Archive

I added a review for this.

Scarab Sages

Dark_Mistress wrote:
I added a review for this.

We appreciate all feedback, and actual reveiws are extra helpful. Thanks for the slew of them!


Dark_Mistress wrote:
I added a review for this.

you've been busy

Dark Archive

MerrikCale wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
I added a review for this.
you've been busy

Yeah I have been meaning to review all the 3pp pathfinder products for awhile, since many have only one or no reviews. Started this weekend with some and was just really bored this morning so I cranked a bunch out. :)


Dark_Mistress wrote:
MerrikCale wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
I added a review for this.
you've been busy
Yeah I have been meaning to review all the 3pp pathfinder products for awhile, since many have only one or no reviews. Started this weekend with some and was just really bored this morning so I cranked a bunch out. :)

nice work


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
A LOT of our products are direct responses to fan requests, so I'll absolutely add a sonic magic book (probably called either Song Magic or Thunder Magic, depending) on our list of things to get too.

well, put me in the boat of asking for a GUIDE TO ACID MAGIC. There's a lot more ice spells than acid spells. every campaign i get players that make sulfur and chlorine spells that do acid damage and sicken,blind,weaken. would be nice to have some new spells that expand acid spells and are more creative than "it does x acid damage and x damage over x rounds"

Scarab Sages

Your vote has been heard and added to the list. :D

I will note you might find the Caustic Hex feat to your liking (from the Genius Guide to Feats of Spellcasting), and the upcoming Genius Guide to Earth Magic (likely out next week) has a few acid spells, of which lye field and wall of caustics are slightly more interesting that just dealing acid damage.


I started kitting out my Wyrd Ice Wizard last night, and everything is going splendid thus far. Especially since the party leveled up and I was able to add 2 more levels to His Fridgedness. :) Getting very close to the boss fight!

Scarab Sages

Denim N Leather wrote:
I started kitting out my Wyrd Ice Wizard last night, and everything is going splendid thus far. Especially since the party leveled up and I was able to add 2 more levels to His Fridgedness. :) Getting very close to the boss fight!

The idea that a wyrd ice wizard exists just warms my heart. Which is not as appropriate as it might be...

Also, I'm gonna hafta use "his frigidness" somewhere.


The ONLY thing I would have loved to see is the ice elementals summons scale with the wizard's caster level. Say, one size for every 3 CL. This way the spell will be usable beyond just CL4 ... just my 2 cents.


Owen,

Ran the Wyrd Ice Wizard as part of the boss fight on this piece of terrain.

Wizard was lvl 7, equipped with a Rod of Metamagic [Quicken] and a few scrolls for extra 'umph'. He was on the raised level.

Rest of the antagonists were a lvl 7 alchemist equipped with cold bombs and four lvl 5 ninja (My Pathfinder'ized version of the excellent Rokugan ninja).

The villains had the upper hand for the majority of the fight and the party slowly climbed to the advantage. In the end, the wizard did what any decent villain would do -- cast Wall of Ice and ran out a secret door! There were a few nail biting moments, when the wizard caught the fighter in a Hold Person spell and the ninja just started WAILING on the guy! (A well-placed fireball made short work of them, however)

And then the Paladin one-shot'd the alchemist! It was a thing of beauty ... :)

The Ice Wizard handled like a dream. In the end, I didn't use the summon spell because it would have overpowered the bad guys too much and would probably have ended with a TPK. Having that extra little bonus from cold spells (along with the Energy Substitution feat from Complete Arcane) made this guy a BEAR to take down. (It didn't help the party much that the ranger was missing every shot, either!)

The image of the dark-blue skinned Wyrd wearing all white, flowing robes made a great visual for the battle, too.

As a side note, the player's party includes a lvl8 Archon, which is another Genius class I really like.

Dark Archive

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Just wondering when we can get fire and air.

Scarab Sages

Denim N Leather wrote:

Owen,

Ran the Wyrd Ice Wizard as part of the boss fight on this piece of terrain.

...In the end, the wizard did what any decent villain would do -- cast Wall of Ice and ran out a secret door!

...The Ice Wizard handled like a dream.

...The image of the dark-blue skinned Wyrd wearing all white, flowing robes made a great visual for the battle, too.

...As a side note, the player's party includes a lvl8 Archon, which is another Genius class I really like.

This is all REALLY cool to hear. I'm glad the products are working smoothly at your game table!

Chris Ballard wrote:
Just wondering when we can get fire and air.

Glad you asked! (Honestly, I'm even just glad you care!) Air is scheduled to come out later this summer, hopefully to coincide with a fantasy movie with strong air themes. :D Fire is likely to be a several weeks after that, since I don't think fire casters are hurting for options out of the core book. (Which isn't to say I don't have some new ideas to offer -- I just want to get the other elements in first.)

Owen K.C. Stephens
Super Genius Games

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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
Chris Ballard wrote:
Just wondering when we can get fire and air.

Glad you asked! (Honestly, I'm even just glad you care!) Air is scheduled to come out later this summer, hopefully to coincide with a fantasy movie with strong air themes. :D Fire is likely to be a several weeks after that, since I don't think fire casters are hurting for options out of the core book. (Which isn't to say I don't have some new ideas to offer -- I just want to get the other elements in first.)

Owen K.C. Stephens
Super Genius Games

Woo-hoo!!!

Dark Archive

When are you guys going to make?

Guide to Shadow magic
Guide to charm and enchantment magic
Guide to demonology
Guide to new archtypes
Guide to witch hex's
Guide to familiars
Guide to lighting magic
Guide to weather magic
Guide to expanded dream magic

I could keep going :)

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Dark_Mistress wrote:

When are you guys going to make?

Guide to Shadow magic

You could check out KQ 13 for some shadow magic

Dark Archive

Darkjoy wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:

When are you guys going to make?

Guide to Shadow magic

You could check out KQ 13 for some shadow magic

I have it. But you can never have to much. :)

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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
Chris Ballard wrote:
Just wondering when we can get fire and air.

Glad you asked! (Honestly, I'm even just glad you care!) Air is scheduled to come out later this summer, hopefully to coincide with a fantasy movie with strong air themes. :D Fire is likely to be a several weeks after that, since I don't think fire casters are hurting for options out of the core book. (Which isn't to say I don't have some new ideas to offer -- I just want to get the other elements in first.)

Owen K.C. Stephens
Super Genius Games

Speaking of which...my daughter, niece, and nephew are attending a 7 hour Twilight marathon showing all three movies tonight followed by The Last Airbender tomorrow night - oh to be young! So with an air themed movie hitting the streets...I was just wondering/hoping...can we expect anything Genius this week?!?

And for the record I'm hoping for an air magic guide, not a glittery vampire supplement.

Scarab Sages

THIS week is a new class which is NOT air-themed. NEXT week... next week should be a breeze.

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