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The D&D Player's Strategy Guide is aimed at D&D players who crave the envy of their gamer peers. If you want a character that's jaw-droppingly cool, this book is for you. It provides tips and tricks for optimizing your D&D characters to make them more awesome and fun to play at the game table.

In addition to character optimization tips and player advice, this book includes entertaining sidebar essays written by celebrity gamers and a distinctive comic art style unlike other books in the D&D game line.

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Liberty's Edge

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What the hell is with the art on this cover?...This has got to be the worse art I have ever seen on a D&D book, looks like it belongs on a web comic not as D&D book. Is this the verified Final cover?

Dark Archive

Everywhere I have looked that is the same cover. So it looks like that is the cover.


Yes, it is the cover. Done by the guys from Penny Arcade. The interior art breaks the mold for traditional D&D art as well. I am VERy glad to say I did some of the art for it.

http://azcop.blogspot.com
Go to My illustration blog.


I believe the cover art is done by, or in the style of, the artist for the web-comic Penny Arcade. Recently they have done a number of 4E podcasts of them playing. They have a number of webstrips and the cover represents their party.

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Drew Pocza wrote:

Yes, it is the cover. Done by the guys from Penny Arcade. The interior art breaks the mold for traditional D&D art as well. I am VERy glad to say I did some of the art for it.

http://azcop.blogspot.com
Go to My illustration blog.

Good that you got some more work for your art.. I have seen it before.

But for me, this Style does not belong in a D&D book and I hope I never see it again. In fact I will not support WotC in this choice of art and not buy the book. I want them to know this art does not belong on D&D books.. all IMO of course. I will be posting this on their boards and emailing the same as well.

More upset about cover art then Interior art. But if all the interior art is this style it would be upsetting as well.

Silver Crusade

The Penny Arcade guys have been putting out supplementary stuff for game companies for a while. I'm glad they've been making good in the RPG circuits these past few years(this cover for 4E and the Deepcrow turning up in Pathfinder).


Dragnmoon wrote:
Drew Pocza wrote:

Yes, it is the cover. Done by the guys from Penny Arcade. The interior art breaks the mold for traditional D&D art as well. I am VERy glad to say I did some of the art for it.

http://azcop.blogspot.com
Go to My illustration blog.

Good that you got some more work for your art.. I have seen it before.

But for me, this Style does not belong in a D&D book and I hope I never see it again. In fact I will not support WotC in this choice of art and not buy the book. I want them to know this art does not belong on D&D books.. all IMO of course. I will be posting this on their boards and emailing the same as well.

Thanks, I am very glad as well. But I may be wrong here, but I think this book is more about getting new players. Something like this may encourage new people into getting involved. So, I don't think they will be too crushed if you, an existing player doesn't buy the book. They will tons of people buying the book just because it is a PA cover.

I do think it is also fine to voice your opinion on it though. And keep in mind, they have to consider reaching a broader market share of people than just us.

Liberty's Edge

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Drew Pocza wrote:


Thanks, I am very glad as well. But I may be wrong here, but I think this book is more about getting new players. Something like this may encourage new people into getting involved. So, I don't think they will be too crushed if you, an existing player doesn't buy the book. They will tons of people buying the book just because it is a PA cover.

I do think it is also fine to voice your opinion on it though. And keep in mind, they have to consider reaching a broader market share of people than just us.

I think that is the problem, I don't see this drawing a larger audience, if anything I see this drawing less.

It was the Traditional art that first drew me into D&D those many years ago, a Larry Elmore cover on Dragon Magazine, If the art looked like this I may have not picked up that Dragon Magazine and never gotten into D&D. It not only the traditional art of D&D but the traditional art of Fantasy, and those most drawn to D&D will be those that are Fantasy fans, and what they are used to seeing.

This cover literally makes me cringe looking at it.

Penny Arcade is a ok comic, made great because of the script mixed with the art, the art fits that script, this art for me goes everything against the soul of D&D.

As you can tell I feel very strongly against this type of art on D&D covers ;).

This is all just IMO and I could be way off.

I think I have said my peace on this and will leave the rest to others' opinions.

Dark Archive

Drew Pocza wrote:

Yes, it is the cover. Done by the guys from Penny Arcade. The interior art breaks the mold for traditional D&D art as well. I am VERy glad to say I did some of the art for it.

http://azcop.blogspot.com
Go to My illustration blog.

Congratulations on getting some art published.


I think they're coming at this whole 'it'll draw the kiddies' thing all wrong. Fantasy art should bother the parents of a preteen. At least, the cover art that draws them should. That furrowed brow and slightly uncomfortable look on Mom or Dad is their cue that they *must* have it. I'm not seeing cleavage here. No preponderance of skulls, either. Nothing even vaguely assy. This is entirely non-threatening, and therefore lacking in anything that got me or any honest person that I know of to pick up their first module, supplement, etc.

Dark Archive

YUCK


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I'm surprised the art is such an issue for people - it's irrelevant to me, I had no idea it made such a difference to people. I can't imagine basing a decision on whether to buy an RPG supplement based on the art.

(Art might make a difference in whether I notice it or not on the shelf or maybe whether I pick it up to flick through it, but that's about it).

Liberty's Edge

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Steve Geddes wrote:
I'm surprised the art is such an issue for people - it's irrelevant to me, I had no idea it made such a difference to people. I can't imagine basing a decision on whether to buy an RPG supplement based on the art.

Have you seen Cyberpunk 3.0? The one where all the art is photos of Action Man dolls? :)

FWIW I think the cover, rightly or wrongly, conveys the message that this book has a different tone than the other D&D books - that it is primarily talking to the players about the realities of gaming and does so in a light hearted and humorous manner. I have no idea of whether this is correct or not, but if it is, the art has done its job.

Its sort of like the Slayers Guide To Games Masters and Female Gamers from Mongoose - these were parody products based upon their non-parody line of Slayers Guides. The art for these should hopefully have evoked the fact that they were different in tone than the other slayers guides.

Dark Archive

Steve Geddes wrote:

I'm surprised the art is such an issue for people - it's irrelevant to me, I had no idea it made such a difference to people. I can't imagine basing a decision on whether to buy an RPG supplement based on the art.

(Art might make a difference in whether I notice it or not on the shelf or maybe whether I pick it up to flick through it, but that's about it).

It does make a difference when all you have to judge is a resume of the content and the front cover.

To me the front cover is the Yuckiest cover I have seen. Just the style I suppose.
Looks too Manga-like I suppose but I'm a Grognard.

Mind you 1sted drawings were terrible but at that time we didn't care because most of the prod was like that. Now i do care a little more.

Anyway optimizing to the limits is not my thing either .... so.

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Now we just need Rich Burlew art (in an Eberron book!)

Seriously, the cover art I just *shrug* and glossed over it.

Disclaimer: They could fill it with nekked Grace Park photos and I'd not buy it, I don't play 4e.

Spoiler:
Ok, maybe if it was full of Grace Park photos...

Edit: Actually I don't think it's that bad. It kind of amuses me in a way. I don't read Penny Arcade, but given some of the jokes in OOTS about optimizing, I assume Penny Arcade does the occasional joke, so it would fit.

Dark Archive

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Disclaimer: They could fill it with nekked Grace Park photos and I'd not buy it, I don't play 4e.

*googles Grace Park*

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Ravenmantle wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Disclaimer: They could fill it with nekked Grace Park photos and I'd not buy it, I don't play 4e.
*googles Grace Park*

Careful, she's married. (Yes, it means I have a heavy case of the Covets. I'm not perfect, just forgiven ;-))


Wow. That art hurts the eyes. I mean, I love Penny Arcade as a web comic and the 'Rain Slick Precipice of Darkness' games on the Playstation Network are a blast to play and look at. But as DnD art... No thank you.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Ravenmantle wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Disclaimer: They could fill it with nekked Grace Park photos and I'd not buy it, I don't play 4e.
*googles Grace Park*
Careful, she's married. (Yes, it means I have a heavy case of the Covets. I'm not perfect, just forgiven ;-))

ZOMG!!!1! It's Boomer. (Why didn't ever know her name...)

HOT!


Player's Strategy Guide Excerpt:

Page 1: "Just play edition 3.5."


Dragnmoon wrote:
Drew Pocza wrote:

Yes, it is the cover. Done by the guys from Penny Arcade. The interior art breaks the mold for traditional D&D art as well. I am VERy glad to say I did some of the art for it.

http://azcop.blogspot.com
Go to My illustration blog.

Good that you got some more work for your art.. I have seen it before.

But for me, this Style does not belong in a D&D book and I hope I never see it again. In fact I will not support WotC in this choice of art and not buy the book. I want them to know this art does not belong on D&D books.. all IMO of course. I will be posting this on their boards and emailing the same as well.

More upset about cover art then Interior art. But if all the interior art is this style it would be upsetting as well.

I think I need a bigger facepalm GIF. My current one is insufficient.


By the way, if anyone is interested in what the book will actually contain (and is capable of looking past a cover of non-traditional art illustrated by one of the 100 most influential people in the world, according to Time), you can find excerpts of its contents here, including an art gallery (you need to be a subscriber to see the full images, but the thumbnails alone give you a good idea of the variety of art contained within). All non-gallery excerpts are free to read.


Am I the only one less bothered by the art than the description of what the book contains? This book screams XTREME marketing. Hey kids! Do you want leet D&D skillz? Want to pwn at the gaming table? Get this AWESOME COOL book!!!


Read all the threads...

Personally don't like the art...

...and the genesis of the art used (esp. the cover) sounds a bit self-indulgent/self-serving to me - for all parties involved.

Just my two cents. I ain't hatin'; just sayin'.


Scott Betts wrote:
By the way, if anyone is interested in what the book will actually contain (and is capable of looking past a cover of non-traditional art illustrated by one of the 100 most influential people in the world, according to Time), you can find excerpts of its contents here, including an art gallery (you need to be a subscriber to see the full images, but the thumbnails alone give you a good idea of the variety of art contained within). All non-gallery excerpts are free to read.

Two strikes:

- Who gives a cudgel about Time's list. Have you SEEN some of the yahoos on it?

- I'll never see the full images, then, if it relies on Insider.


The art doesn't bother me, but I am suspect of what a player's strategy guide may contain. It immediately drew my attention because of the art, and as supported by this post, people are talking about it.

I guess I will go to the game store and crack it open to determine the substance.


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It of off-putting to me. The subject matter and the cover art and how the product is being pitched makes me feel the 4e may have just jumped the shark.

I am not a 4e hater - I don't mind the system (I play it on occasion)but my preferred rules is Pathfinder. Maybe I am just being jaded but this product has just the faintest wiffs of 'desperation' about it - like the existing products aren't enough and they have to dial it up to maintain interest or sales.

Liberty's Edge

Dragnmoon wrote:
Drew Pocza wrote:

Yes, it is the cover. Done by the guys from Penny Arcade. The interior art breaks the mold for traditional D&D art as well. I am VERy glad to say I did some of the art for it.

http://azcop.blogspot.com
Go to My illustration blog.

Good that you got some more work for your art.. I have seen it before.

But for me, this Style does not belong in a D&D book and I hope I never see it again. In fact I will not support WotC in this choice of art and not buy the book. I want them to know this art does not belong on D&D books.. all IMO of course. I will be posting this on their boards and emailing the same as well.

More upset about cover art then Interior art. But if all the interior art is this style it would be upsetting as well.

Personally. It is a bit of an overreaction to fly off the handle over the artwork of a book. Its not an ART book. Its a RULE book. As such it is the content, not the way it is graphically represented that matters.

Personally I love the guys from Penny Arcade. They managed to do something many dnd artists don't... capture the fact that its a GAME.

Who cares what the artwork is. All the books could be filled with art drawn by a certain very talented GORILLA and I wouldn't care less so long as the rules are good.

Dark Archive

Steve Geddes wrote:

I'm surprised the art is such an issue for people - it's irrelevant to me, I had no idea it made such a difference to people. I can't imagine basing a decision on whether to buy an RPG supplement based on the art.

(Art might make a difference in whether I notice it or not on the shelf or maybe whether I pick it up to flick through it, but that's about it).

I agree with you to a point. Art or lack of art won't stop me from buying something from a company I like or for a product I really am interested in. But good art(what is good art is very subjective) that appeals to me is a big bonus and it can make me check out a book that I otherwise might have passed by on title alone.

Liberty's Edge

Nice to see the whole judging a book by it cover mentality is alive and well in this thread. Who cares what it looks like as long as the book gets the job done. I really dislike a few pieces of art in the Pathfinder Bestirary and find the Pathfinder cover pretty bland. I still bought both.

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Evil Genius wrote:
Am I the only one less bothered by the art than the description of what the book contains? This book screams XTREME marketing. Hey kids! Do you want leet D&D skillz? Want to pwn at the gaming table? Get this AWESOME COOL book!!!

And your point being. Like it or not we the older gamers are no longer the demogrpahic when it comes to rpgs and a lot of other things. I work in the book industry and you can write the best book yet if it is not marketed properly no one will show an interest. I can understand disliking the content. Not too fond of it myself but blaming them for doing a good job marketing a product. That is just find an exuse imo to find something wrong wih Wotc. I wonder though if Paizo would have done a similiar book if they would have been accused of "extreme marketing". Knowing these board probably not.

As for it being a desperation product maybe or manybe not. Still if I was Wotc I would do the same thing. Like I said I bet Paizo if they would not gert toasted by their fans on these board would probably do a similair product imo. In the end it's all about making money and quality secondary. Any company rpg or otherwise that says differently is just trying to look good with the fanbase.


memorax wrote:
That is just find an exuse imo to find something wrong wih Wotc. I wonder though if Paizo would have done a similiar book if they would have been accused of "extreme marketing". Knowing these board probably not.

Given the complaints surfaced following the Core Rulebook release, Advanced Player's Guide Playtest, and other product releases, I would place my guess as they the probably would be accused of just that.

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Dragnmoon wrote:
What the hell is with the art on this cover?...This has got to be the worse art I have ever seen on a D&D book, looks like it belongs on a web comic not as D&D book. Is this the verified Final cover?

I haven't had the chance to get or read the book yet, but after seeing the art and seeing what the brief on the book is, I believe this is more of a tongue-in-cheek offering rather than a super-serious look at D&D optimization. I believe the intent is to "laugh along" instead of "groan" as they import some humor. I've listened to the Penny Arcade zaniness podcasts and I think that's the same sort of approach they've taken for the book. I will ensure that I pick it up this afternoon to confirm it.

Personally, I can use a little bit of zany fun once in a while.

Scarab Sages

I'm going to check out this book just because of the art. I like Drew's and the PA artwork.
If it is chock full of this art I might just buy the book, I don't play 4e.


Scott Betts wrote:
By the way, if anyone is interested in what the book will actually contain (and is capable of looking past a cover of non-traditional art illustrated by one of the 100 most influential people in the world, according to Time), you can find excerpts of its contents here, including an art gallery (you need to be a subscriber to see the full images, but the thumbnails alone give you a good idea of the variety of art contained within). All non-gallery excerpts are free to read.

Does it matter how many 'lists' someone is on? Does that make them an appropriate choice? Using cover art that resembles the Samurai Jack era of cartoons pretty much tells me all I need to know.

Really, the cover art could be by Pablo Picasso for all I care. It doesn't work.


Wolfthulhu wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
By the way, if anyone is interested in what the book will actually contain (and is capable of looking past a cover of non-traditional art illustrated by one of the 100 most influential people in the world, according to Time), you can find excerpts of its contents here, including an art gallery (you need to be a subscriber to see the full images, but the thumbnails alone give you a good idea of the variety of art contained within). All non-gallery excerpts are free to read.
Does it matter how many 'lists' someone is on? Does that make them an appropriate choice?

The fact that they're on Time's 100 illustrates why WotC brought them aboard for this project - they are avid tabletop roleplayers who command the attention of the ears and eyes of an entire generation of gamers, most of whom happen to be of the video gaming sort and are ripe to be exposed to D&D.

It is an appropriate choice because the purpose of the book is to assist new players with adjusting to the game - teaching them synergy, tactical teamwork, how to develop a background, etc. Bringing in powerful, media-spanning artists is a smart move. If you think the art is "out of place", that's probably because you're used to other styles of art in D&D books. If you have that much exposure to the brand already, chances are you aren't part of the intended primary market anyway.


memorax wrote:
I can understand disliking the content. Not too fond of it myself but blaming them for doing a good job marketing a product. That is just find an exuse imo to find something wrong wih Wotc. I wonder though if Paizo would have done a similiar book if they would have been accused of "extreme marketing". Knowing these board probably not.

Let's find out how many copies of the book sell before we make determinations about how great the marketing for the book is.

Also, you yourself said you're not crazy about the content that the book contains. Then you said, "...if Paizo would have done a similar book...", and, I guess, you completely ignored the significance of the words coming out of your mouth. Paizo won't do a "How to Min/Max" book. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Just because James doesn't visit this thread and say "This idea is stupid and it's not something that's in our vision for our product line," doesn't mean that it's not obvious that the statement is true.

It's not an "excuse" to find "something" wrong with WotC... it's a reason being used to illustrate the point that WotC is taking perhaps the most beloved franchise in all of gaming and robbing it of any dignity whatsoever. That's not an attept to start an edition war, in fact please note I've said nothing about the quality of 4e whatsoever. This thread, so far, is about the subject matter of this book and Marketing, and that's what I'm talking about.

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Having actually seen the inside of this book, it's basically "4e for Dummies" - here's how to build a character that won't be completely sub-optimal in a game that rewards optimization more than any other edition; here's some hand-holding for party teamwork and synergistic effects; here's some ideas on how to make things cooler for a player. It's pretty useless to people who've been playing D&D for most of their adult lives.

So, yeah. There's that.


Obvious Troll Is Obvious wrote:
Paizo won't do a "How to Min/Max" book. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

And neither has WotC. The Player's Strategy Guide is not a book on min/maxing. It's a book on creating an effective character for players new to the game and to cooperative gaming in general.

Again, if you're confused about the contents, the excerpts are free to read through. They go over how to fairly divide up treasure, how to cooperate during combat to bring down enemies faster, how to create a party that functions as a cohesive whole, both mechanically and thematically, how to describe your character in terms of appearance, personality and other mannerisms, how to create an effective character focused on dealing ongoing damage in combat, and how to pick which race is right for you.

This is not a book that offers lessons in how to win D&D, or how to be better than all your friends, or how to give the DM a headache.


cappadocius wrote:
Having actually seen the inside of this book, it's basically "4e for Dummies" - here's how to build a character that won't be completely sub-optimal in a game that rewards optimization more than any other edition;

This is very, very far from the truth. One of the most lauded aspects of 4e is that it's very difficult to create a character that cannot meaningfully contribute, and it's even harder to create a character that can single-handedly dominate encounters.


Scott Betts wrote:
Obvious Troll Is Obvious wrote:
Paizo won't do a "How to Min/Max" book. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
And neither has WotC. The Player's Strategy Guide is not a book on min/maxing. It's a book on creating an effective character for players new to the game and to cooperative gaming in general.

Gee, sorry, I was going off of the product description.

Product Description wrote:
The D&D Player's Strategy Guide is aimed at D&D players who crave the envy of their gamer peers. If you want a character that's jaw-droppingly cool, this book is for you. It provides tips and tricks for optimizing your D&D characters to make them more awesome and fun to play at the game table.

That, to me, doesn't sound like "Let me hold your hand and teach you to play D&D". It sounds like what it says it is. I guess I remember a time when a player new to the system would be taught the ins and outs of cooperation and teamwork by his/her friends. I suppose that kids today don't communicate like that anymore.

I thought it was very difficult to create a character that cannot meaningfully contribute? Why, then, is it necessary to publish a book on the topic of how to create a character? Because maintaining a modicum of dignity for the world's most hallowed gaming system is not a priority, that's why.


Obvious Troll Is Obvious wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
Obvious Troll Is Obvious wrote:
Paizo won't do a "How to Min/Max" book. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
And neither has WotC. The Player's Strategy Guide is not a book on min/maxing. It's a book on creating an effective character for players new to the game and to cooperative gaming in general.

Gee, sorry, I was going off of the product description.

Product Description wrote:
The D&D Player's Strategy Guide is aimed at D&D players who crave the envy of their gamer peers. If you want a character that's jaw-droppingly cool, this book is for you. It provides tips and tricks for optimizing your D&D characters to make them more awesome and fun to play at the game table.
That, to me, doesn't sound like "Let me hold your hand and teach you to play D&D". It sounds like what it says it is. I guess I remember a time when a player new to the system would be taught the ins and outs of cooperation and teamwork by his/her friends. I suppose that kids today don't communicate like that anymore.

There really isn't any need for me to wade through this kind of dismissive behavior. You can read the excerpts if you want to know what sorts of things the book can be used for.


I'm a fan of the Penny-Arcade strip.

I think their endorsement has been good for the business of 4e, and I think it makes sense to try something like this cover.

I also think it is very appropriate for the stylistic choices of 4e. That's really the culture they're tapping into, and though I chose not to play 4e, it makes perfect sense to me.

For those of you intensely bothered or skeptical about the cover, if you don't play 4e, or read penny arcade, what's your stake in this really? I sincerely hope nobody would ever comment on a product thread of any game they don't play simply to dump on the cover art.

...so, if you are not a fan of the artist and you are not a player of this game, please take the high road and accept that you are not the audience of this product. There is no need to insult the artist and/or company.

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Scott Betts wrote:

And neither has WotC. The Player's Strategy Guide is not a book on min/maxing. It's a book on creating an effective character for players new to the game and to cooperative gaming in general....

This is not a book that offers lessons in how to win D&D, or how to be better than all your friends, or how to give the DM a headache.

I'm not doubting you, Scott. But the advertising copy suggests that it is indeed a book to be better than all your friends (be "the envy of their gamer peers"). If by "win at D&D" you mean "make [characters that are] ...jaw-droppingly cool [and] more awesome and fun to play at the game table," then the advertising copy does indeed suggest that this is how to win at D&D.

And whether cappadocious is correct or not, when he says that this book is about optimizing, the advertizing copy certainly claims it's about optimizing your character. How do you distinguish between "min/maxing" (a Bad Thing which this book doesn't do) and optimizing (which Wizards claims is this book's central point)?

I'm sure you're right, that the Player's Strategy Guide is nothing like that. But somebody in advertizing sure thinks it is.

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Evil Lincoln wrote:
I sincerely hope nobody would ever comment on a product thread of a game they don't play simply to dump on the cover art.

I agree, it's uncalled for in this instance.

[tangent]
I have never played the astonishingly bad game Wraethulu. But if there were a thread on this board about the game, I would feel free to comment in less-than-serious tones about the genetalia on the cover.
[/tangent]

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Evil Lincoln wrote:
For those of you intensely bothered or skeptical about the cover, if you don't play 4e, or read penny arcade, what's your stake in this really? I sincerely hope nobody would ever comment on a product thread of a game they don't play simply to dump on the cover art.

I read Penny Arcade and Buy 4e, My problem is not with Penny Arcade or 4e, my Problem is that IMO the style of art does not belong on a D&D book, and I decided to show my displeasure in their choice of art buy not buying their product.

If Paizo did the same thing I would also not buy that product to show my displeasure.

The style of Art and D&D go hand and hand, just look at 1e, you show 1e art and right away everyone knows what you are talking about.

This is all just based on my opinion and I am just stating it, others may differ, and are allowed to.


Dragnmoon wrote:
This is all just based on my opinion and I am just stating it, others may differ, and are allowed to.

I just wanted to remind people to think twice before ripping into something that's not intended for them, in a public forum. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, though.

I don't think my statement applies in any way to legitimate critiques by actual stakeholders.


Chris Mortika wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:

And neither has WotC. The Player's Strategy Guide is not a book on min/maxing. It's a book on creating an effective character for players new to the game and to cooperative gaming in general....

This is not a book that offers lessons in how to win D&D, or how to be better than all your friends, or how to give the DM a headache.

I'm not doubting you, Scott. But the advertising copy suggests that it is indeed a book to be better than all your friends (be "the envy of their gamer peers"). If by "win at D&D" you mean "make [characters that are] ...jaw-droppingly cool [and] more awesome and fun to play at the game table," then the advertising copy does indeed suggest that this is how to win at D&D.

And whether cappadocious is correct or not, when he says that this book is about optimizing, the advertizing copy certainly claims it's about optimizing your character. How do you distinguish between "min/maxing" (a Bad Thing which this book doesn't do) and optimizing (which Wizards claims is this book's central point)?

I'm sure you're right, that the Player's Strategy Guide is nothing like that. But somebody in advertizing sure thinks it is.

You are right, the advertising copy suggests that. A few people have suggested that it's tongue-in-cheek, and I'm not sure. Either way, though, the excerpts are a much better measure of the book's intended use than the product blurb.

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