Pathfinder Chronicles: Dragons Revisited (OGL)

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Since the beginning, dragons have held a unique place in man’s mythology. Powerful and savage, with fiery breath and massive wings, they rampage across the countryside in search of plunder or rule mighty nations with iron claws. Their fabulous treasure hoards are the stuff of legend, and those few brave warriors who stand against them are assured their place in history—if they survive.

Dragons Revisited puts a new spin on these timeless monsters, reimagining them for the Pathfinder Chronicles campaign setting while keeping true to their mythological and gaming roots. Within these 64 pages you’ll find in-depth ecologies for the ten most popular dragon types—both the scheming chromatics and the noble metallics—detailing their biology, society, and relations to other creatures. Learn what wonders their lavish lairs contain, and how cunningly they’re guarded. Delve into draconic history within the world of Golarion, and peruse handy sample statistics for each dragon type, ready to be dropped straight into your own adventures along with new feats, advice on using dragons in your campaigns, and other indispensable game materials. Most importantly, discover which dragons look kindly on humanity, and which ones regard all lesser creatures as food. Because getting the two mixed up can be extremely unpleasant.

Fortunately, it’s a mistake you won’t make twice.

By Mike McArtor

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-165-7

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4/5

Considerando que o livro não é um livro de mecânica sobre dragões, nem um tratado pseudo-cientifico e nem se prepõe a ser O livro definitivo sobre os dragões de Golarion, o livro é perfeito para o que realmente se propõe: revisar os conceitos sobre os dez principais tipos de dragão. Nessa exata função ele cumpre muito bem seu papel realmente criando uma personalidade funcional, utilizável e divertida para cada uma das raças. O livro é curto e grosso e um tanto apressado, mas o texto é divertido e não se torna massante apesar da repetitividade do que seria 10 monstros iguais. Se for isso mesmo o que você quer, pode comprar tranquilo, mas se forem feats, itens mágicos ou até mesmo a história completa dos dragões em Golarion, procure em outro lugar.


Wow, I feel really bad doing this . . .

2/5

Honestly, its not a badly written book. Its not a bad looking book. But I'm not sure why you would need it. I'm not sure that the quirks that some dragons pick up (which are kind of fun in the case of black dragons, for example) make up for the status quo of most of the dragons.

There are tons of references to a greater draconic culture, but very few specifics. I'd love to have seen a bit more information on the religions of Apsu and Dahak, but what you actually get is references to the two that assume you have other source material on them.

Still, I'd probably have given this a solid three, if not for the things I think were the negatives in this book. There are places in this book where dragons are referenced as interacting with societies on as casual a level as elves or dwarves. It really makes them seem much less special and intimidating. Finally, the bit that really caused me to have fits with this book had to do with silver dragons. Essentially, silver dragons are the worst parody of every bad paladin stereotype ever.

Honestly, I'm hoping over time the good parts of this book make it into other books, and the rest just kind of fades away.


A middling supplement

3/5

I've posted a detailed review on RPG Geek.


The Dragons of Golarion

4/5

Now, admittedly, dragons aren't my favorite D&D critters, so I went in to this with hopes of simply something workable -- and I got pleasantly surprised. Much of this is due to the very new takes on these various dragons. It's hard to say what's best, but certainly the evil-yet-schlolarly greens (and their counterparts, the bronzes) were one of the bigger and better surprises.

It's a good book and it does a fine job of covering some of the most iconic creatures of Dungeons and Dragons.


Fluff and Stuff

5/5

I am totally behind Paizo's effort to apply what is, essentially, a fresh coat of paint to some classic monsters.

While there are no new RULES per se in this and other Chronicles 'monster' books, the content is superb and is greatly appreciated.

The joys of reading about noble Golds, viscious and sadistic Blacks and gregarious Coppers has put many smiles on both my face and that of my wife.

I'm champing at the bit to find out how much more incredible my encounters with dragonkind will be with this book in hand, and am already adapting a bit of its contents to my own characters of draconic descent.

Three cheers for Paizo for such wonderful fluff!


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The Exchange

Are there any specific Dragons that will be expanded upon? The powerful elder Dragons or a well known Draco-Lich or two?

Liberty's Edge

Will this have any detail on the new Dragon that was printed in Pathfinder 11?


Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

All right, McArtor!!!

Good Ninja Minion

Hooray master!

Liberty's Edge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Subscriber

its good to see Mike's name on the credits!

Contributor

I must have this. :)

Scarab Sages

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Another book I cannot live without. I am loving what you guys are doing with the world.


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Shem wrote:
Another book I cannot live without. I am loving what you guys are doing with the world.

My thoughts exactly!


WOO-HOO!!!

Dark Archive

SHUUWEET !!

and of course

::ALL HAIL ZOMBIE MIKE::

Sovereign Court

Yay, Mike! Mike's Mithral Dragon in Kobold Quarterly #4 was really cool. Now, he's doing a whole book on dragons!


Pathfinder Card Game, Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber

Will the dragon info from PF#4 be included? Expanded upon?

Thanks.

Liberty's Edge

Nice! I need to get that higher-paying job so my wife will let me subscribe to chronicles instead of getting 'em piecemeal...

Liberty's Edge

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Todd Lockwood? Maybe? Please?

Liberty's Edge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Subscriber

No doubt that Todd Lockwood would be great. His dragons are simply the best in the business. However, I think he is above their price range.

Now with all that said, he really does enjoy painting up dragons.....

Dark Archive

IconoclasticScream wrote:
Todd Lockwood? Maybe? Please?

That would be SWEET.

How much this will expand/elaborate the info about dragons given in PF #4?

Liberty's Edge

If this is anything like Classic Monsters Revisited... then we are all in for a nice little treat!
(Rubs hands together in anticipation!)

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

Will this be retconning any information from the article on Dragons from the pathfinder AP? What about Dragonfall?

Liberty's Edge

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Mr Baron wrote:

However, I think he is above their price range.

We could start a collection.


Very nice! I'll definitely pick this one up. I wonder if Paizo's take would work in Dragonlance.

Now, if Paizo would only put out a psionics system complete with gem dragons...

Dark Archive

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Dragonhelm wrote:
Very nice! I'll definitely pick this one up. I wonder if Paizo's take would work in Dragonlance.

You are such a Dragonlance geek! :p


Ravenmantle wrote:
Dragonhelm wrote:
Very nice! I'll definitely pick this one up. I wonder if Paizo's take would work in Dragonlance.
You are such a Dragonlance geek! :p

Look who's talking! ;)


It's so odd to see such dignified "knights" wearing such crude skins . . . ;)

Grand Lodge

FREAKIN A BABY! I can't wait

*gnaws on an elf leg until then*

Dark Archive

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I'm a sucker for dragons and I particularly like the way dragons are handled in the Dragonlance setting. I hope, and trust, that the folks at Paizo can conjure something similar for the Pathfinder Chronicles setting. By that I mean making the dragons a part of the setting itself rather than just huge XP awards.

Dark Archive Contributor

Ravenmantle wrote:
I'm a sucker for dragons and I particularly like the way dragons are handled in the Dragonlance setting. I hope, and trust, that the folks at Paizo can conjure something similar for the Pathfinder Chronicles setting. By that I mean making the dragons a part of the setting itself rather than just huge XP awards.

If I can't do that to your satisfaction you have permission to kick me in the shins. Repeatedly.

Dark Archive

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

See, now my evil twin's hoping you'll roll a 1 on your Craft (book) check just so he can kick you in the shins. Repeatedly.

The Exchange

Mike McArtor wrote:


If I can't do that to your satisfaction you have permission to kick me in the shins. Repeatedly.

Can we just kick you in the shins anyway?? :)


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Bah, I want my Undead :-)

Scarab Sages

Cool, r3visted dragons! not 4dventure dragons! But will they need to be re-revisted to conform to Pathfinder rules in August? or will there be a Web-enhancement?


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I am interested in this as well.

Ross Byers wrote:
Will this be retconning any information from the article on Dragons from the pathfinder AP? What about Dragonfall?

Scarab Sages

You *HAVE* to make this cover into a poster, I pledge to you my first hatched in return.

Scarab Sages

Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Pathfinder X wrote:
Cool, r3visted dragons! not 4dventure dragons! But will they need to be re-revisted to conform to Pathfinder rules in August? or will there be a Web-enhancement?

The 'Elves' book stats conformed with 3.5 rules. It will probably be the same with any book until the PFRPG comes out in August 2009.

Paizo Employee Franchise Manager

Charles Scholz wrote:
Pathfinder X wrote:
Cool, r3visted dragons! not 4dventure dragons! But will they need to be re-revisted to conform to Pathfinder rules in August? or will there be a Web-enhancement?
The 'Elves' book stats conformed with 3.5 rules. It will probably be the same with any book until the PFRPG comes out in August 2009.

And given the backwards compatible nature of PFRPG, no major stat changes should be necessary. If this is anything like CMR, it'll be primarily flavor anyway. If the stats for the dragons themselves change in PFRPG, they'll be included in the Bestiary in July.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Pathfinder X wrote:
Cool, r3visted dragons! not 4dventure dragons! But will they need to be re-revisted to conform to Pathfinder rules in August? or will there be a Web-enhancement?

The only thing in the book that'll not mesh 100% with Pathfinder RPG is the base stat blocks for the dragons. And those base stat blocks will be in the Pathfinder Bestiary. The rest of the book is mostly flavor, but any other bits of crunch that might end up there will be compatible with both 3.5 and PF RPG. No need for a web enhancement or even a reprint.


I really hope this does offer a new spin on some dragon types. Something a little more intriguing than "Whites = Dum + Cold", or at least some different ways to spice ye olde dragon color up.


Rechan wrote:
I really hope this does offer a new spin on some dragon types. Something a little more intriguing than "Whites = Dum + Cold", or at least some different ways to spice ye olde dragon color up.

Well, actually, white dragons haven't been "dumb" for a while now. They aren't nearly as smart as other dragon types, but at their adult state, they are as intelligent as an average human.

Sure, the red dragons use big words to insult them that the white dragon's don't understand, but they can at least process the basic algebra they need to figure out the size of their hoards.


I really like the actual cover for this but does this mean the end to Wayne Reynolds cover for the Pathfinder Chronicles line or is this a one off? Anyone know? Regardless the cover is still pretty damn cool.

The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6

KnightErrantJR wrote:
They aren't nearly as smart as other dragon types, but at their adult state, they are as intelligent as an average human.

That's not exactly setting the bar high, is it?

Shadow Lodge

Shouldn't the cover be updated based on the blog?

Scarab Sages

It usually takes a little while (few weeks) for the layout people to get the cover finished after the final artwork comes in.

Vic will pop in here and update the cover when it is finished.


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Mike McArtor wrote:


If I can't do that to your satisfaction you have permission to kick me in the shins. Repeatedly.

Can I kick someone in the shins if Oriental Dragons aren't done justice when they eventually crop up? I might take some flak for it, but they've been big favorites of mine for ages, and I think D&D has had a tendency to treat them as red-headed step-children next to their winged Western kinfolk. 3E Lung couldn't even cast spells (when chromatic and metallics could,) and they were the ones supposed to be the nature-attuned spirit beings.

Special note: I do not actually intend to kick anyone in the shins over D20 stuff.

PS Special Note: Sorry if this was a thread-jack, just thought I'd speak up about reflavored dragons when I had the opportunity. :)

Contributor

I'm sure that if/when we ever get to that region of the world, we'll talk about Oriental dragons. And I'll make sure they're cool (I've been a fan of them since the 1e Fiend Folio).

Dark Archive

What about "little dragons", i mean, pseudodragons and faery dragons? In my opinion, they are underused in many campaigns. Is there any possibility to have more than one kind of pseudodragons in Bestiary (or in separate product), pretty please?

Contributor

"Answer hazy."

(Jason and James are the ones who decide what goes in the Bestiary, and deal with page count issues.)

Liberty's Edge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Subscriber

any idea when we will see the new cover?

Contributor

And I adore faerie dragons. Just saying. :)

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Mr Baron wrote:
any idea when we will see the new cover?

Right now! (If you don't see red vs. white, flush your browser's image cache.)

I've also updated the product description to match the back cover.

Paizo Employee CEO

Check out the actual cover art! Woot!

-Lisa

Liberty's Edge

When will this book be coming out in PDF format to download? I'm stationed in Afghanistan right now, and will be headed back home mid-march, it would be awesome to have this book to read on the plane!
Oh and I loved Classic Monsters Revisited. My favorite D&D material has always been the monster manuals, bestiaries, tomes of horrors, fiend folios and various other collections of nasties. It's like a humongous world of possibility with each page, and I am in love with the possibilities you have been presenting me. My favorite of all of them would have to be the Stewie Griffon headed goblins; once I read the 10 fun facts about goblins in PF #1 I was hooked on them. Will any of the dragons be getting some similar humorous treatment?

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