Pathfinder Companion: Elves of Golarion (OGL)

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Elves have been a part of the world for as long as anyone can remember. Caretakers of the natural world, warriors against the tide of savagery, and scholars of the deepest secrets of magic, elves are among Golarion’s most mystical and mysterious races. This book presents the definitive word on how elves live, fight, worship, and relate with other races. The information contained herein presents a wealth of information about the elven race, with new rules, details on making elven characters, and an extensive exploration of their society, history, and goals as a people. Even if you aren’t playing an elf, this booklet contains new spells, magic items, and character options perfect for any character.

    Inside this Pathfinder Companion, you’ll find:
  • Details on the elven people of Golarion—where they live, their arts and magic, their pantheon of deities, and more!
  • An exploration of the beautiful—yet sometimes deadly—elven nation of Kyonin, the heart and soul of the Fair Ones on Golarion, including details on Queen Telandia herself
  • More Character Traits specifically designed to enhance and expand a new elf character’s history and background
  • Alchemical archery and new magic arrows, sacred pacts with elven gods, a plethora of magical meals, and the brightness seeker prestige class

Pathfinder Companion is an invaluable resource for players and Game Masters. Each 32-page bimonthly installment explores a major theme in the Pathfinder Chronicles campaign setting, with expanded regional gazetteers, new player character options, and organizational overviews to help players flesh out their character backgrounds and to provide players and Game Masters with new sources for campaign intrigue.

Written by Jeff Quick and Hal Maclean

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-143-5

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Elves of Golarion Lite!

3/5

I paid AUD$18.00 for this sourcebook and was not disappointed for the price. However, I would have paid three times as much for half again the pages that could have provided more depth and insight into my favourite player race.

Elves of Golarion just lacked depth and in some instances provided little difference between the supplements created by TSR or WotC. I was expecting to find something new within the pages of this depiction of Golarion's elves, instead it went only a short way to fleshing out the elven race for this new world.

I hope to see more depth in the future and I will be glad to pay for it!


4/5

This booklet give good insight to elven but lack more indepts on difrent societys.


Elven resource

4/5

An excellent resource on elves in the world of Golarion. My only complaint is that I feel some of the nonstandard elven societies could have been fleshed out a bit more. In other words, a sourcebook detailing the ruins of Azlant, the Aboleths, and the elves of Mordant Spire would be greatly welcome.


Elves with soul and flavor

5/5

An excellent sourcebook that shows us the different sides of being an elf: physically, mentally and spiritually.

New options for the elven players, new equipment and the examples of how deeply is the connection between elves and the magic or the use of the bow.

An excellent sourcebook for those who love the elves or plan them as antagonist, the only thing it lacks is more information on the the other elven races (its mostly the high elves of Kyoningthe ones mentioned, with the Forlorns in the mix)


Crate of epic treasure for those who plan to use elves in their campaigns.

4/5

'Elves of golarion' is a must have for anyone planning to run an elf-involving campaign on golarion, and a great roleplay-resource and background information crate of treasures for anyone who wants to start an elf in this new amazing world.
It may contain information already known to some older players who date back to 2nd ed, but there is far more in these 32 pages of awesome.

I am slightly disappointed at the prestige class though. Some may disagree, but the path given in this book is sort of NPCey. I don't imagine many players in my campaign would be charmed into playing it. It does not fit any spellcaster classes as it does not add any caster levels and the low attack bonus will probably disorient fighter-types from picking it.
I suppose I was hoping towards something like the return of a worthy bladesinger class to the game, which I've not seen since 2nd edition,or a mordant spire inspired one, perhaps even something from the winter council.

The elven queen's stat block seems a bit sub-par to me. I like the 2nd ed feeling these not-too-high-level-but-still-epic-npc give, but she could use some extra omph.

After a quick breakdown, her original unmodified by race or items statblock comes out at a total cost of 24 points in creation, which is 1 less from the 'epic fantasy' point selection. This is awesome for an NPC of this magnitude, but her crown which disables her from wearing a headband of intellect is a bit of a kick in the groin. She could still come out large and in-charge by researching a permanency spell on a maximized fox cunning spell, and with the PF rules she also gets a +2 racial int buff and 2 extra hps per level according to the conversion rules which puts her in a good place. 27 int sounds much better for a queen of elves rather than 20, which will likely be outmatched by an elf PC by level 8 or 12. I might go make my own version of her on the forums just for kicks later, using the same good logic of non-munchkinism.


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Liberty's Edge

Vak wrote:

Too bad her actual age isn't listed.

I'd like to know if this is a 1342 years old queen or one that just got the crown- Unless I missed something.

In my mind and according to her persona file, I'd picture her as a fairly young elven queen, in her early 200's. She seems to be more progressive than the average elf, which would make new experiences (and levels) come faster to her than most elven way-living elves (as opposed to adventuring elves matching their paces with humans)

i agree

200 or 300

she is both young, progresive and needs to plan for a heir... not that she wants.


I was a bit disappointed to see that the front inside cover page gives a over-view of elf game statistics, but uses 3.5 stats. I suppose this is due to elves being unfinished as yet in Pathfinder RPG?

Eitherway I quickly got over it when I started readingthe rest. Just fyi


Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories, Starfinder Society Subscriber

As long as we are in beta and the finalized rules are not finished, we will get Pathfinder books with 3.5 rules. The first Pathfinder products with Pathfinder rules will be realesed around August 2009.


Lanx wrote:
As long as we are in beta and the finalized rules are not finished, we will get Pathfinder books with 3.5 rules. The first Pathfinder products with Pathfinder rules will be realesed around August 2009.

Thank you, I was just of a mind that my post will outlive beta playtesting. =D


Will the OGL material be converted to Pathfinder once the final version is out?

Liberty's Edge

CharlieRock wrote:
Lanx wrote:
As long as we are in beta and the finalized rules are not finished, we will get Pathfinder books with 3.5 rules. The first Pathfinder products with Pathfinder rules will be realesed around August 2009.
Thank you, I was just of a mind that my post will outlive beta playtesting. =D

evil, very evil on your part

The Exchange

Will there be more divine pacts in other books, e.g. Dwarves or Gnomes of Golarion? This book is the only place I've seen them, and there are only four of them, and really only thief/bard types can take those four.


Krisam wrote:
Will the OGL material be converted to Pathfinder once the final version is out?

Its been a while since this was asker but I would be interested in an answer to this, too. There are a number of "older" Golarion supplements listed as "OGL" that I was interested in. If there is a chance of them being updated to PFRPG I'll hold off and concentrate on the newer stuff that is fully PFRPG compatable for now.

(Yes, I know I can convert any OGL stuff to PFRPG, but I'm lazy so if Paiza is going to do it anyway, I'll save my time.) ;-)

Sovereign Court

I can't see them printing completely separate editions of all that stuff just to bring it up to date. Maybe they'd change the small amount of rules stuff in the Campaign Guide, but otherwise I would think we'll have to wait for compilations, etc.

Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 16

snobi wrote:
Will there be more divine pacts in other books, e.g. Dwarves or Gnomes of Golarion? This book is the only place I've seen them, and there are only four of them, and really only thief/bard types can take those four.

Always leave them asking for more :) I haven't written any more divine pacts lately, though there's always a chance someone else has decided to do so. Next time I work on a Companion I'll mention the possibility of revisiting the idea to Sean.

Speaking of SKR, since he's the guru of the Companion line I'll call his attention to your question and maybe he can give a more definitive answer.

The Exchange

Hal Maclean wrote:
snobi wrote:
Will there be more divine pacts in other books, e.g. Dwarves or Gnomes of Golarion? This book is the only place I've seen them, and there are only four of them, and really only thief/bard types can take those four.

Always leave them asking for more :) I haven't written any more divine pacts lately, though there's always a chance someone else has decided to do so. Next time I work on a Companion I'll mention the possibility of revisiting the idea to Sean.

Speaking of SKR, since he's the guru of the Companion line I'll call his attention to your question and maybe he can give a more definitive answer.

Thanks Hal! I pitched the idea of taking Shelyn's Warm Embrace to my GM, but he was concerned that there weren't enough divine pacts for non-thieves in the party to select, so I got denied. :( lol.

BTW, I love the descriptions, e.g. "By some miracle Desna heard your plea..." and "Begging Shelyn for help...". Great stuff.

Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 16

snobi wrote:


Thanks Hal! I pitched the idea of taking Shelyn's Warm Embrace to my GM, but he was concerned that there weren't enough divine pacts for non-thieves in the party to select, so I got denied. :( lol.

BTW, I love the descriptions, e.g. "By some miracle Desna heard your plea..." and "Begging Shelyn for help...". Great stuff.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Too bad your GM wouldn't let you use the article. It was intended for the Social/Thieves slot so I had to slant it towards them. My working title was "Last Refuge of Scoundrels" :)

Contributor

There are no divine pacts in the hopper at this time. Sounds like you need to lean on/bribe your GM to allow the one you want. ;)

The Exchange

Hal Maclean wrote:
My working title was "Last Refuge of Scoundrels" :)

Awesome.

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
There are no divine pacts in the hopper at this time. Sounds like you need to lean on/bribe your GM to allow the one you want. ;)

Bribe! Of course! All that time wasted on Diplomacy checks. Thanks Sean! lol.


So, I was just curious, since the book came during Beta does that mean that there will be an errata to update it?

Also, as a player of a Mordant Spire Elf, I am also curious to know if they are Grey Elves and in what capacity.


Elara wrote:

So, I was just curious, since the book came during Beta does that mean that there will be an errata to update it?

Also, as a player of a Mordant Spire Elf, I am also curious to know if they are Grey Elves and in what capacity.

I'm pretty sure it's been stated by Paizoans on multiple occasions that they're not interested in re-creating the High/Sylvan/Grey/Star/etc variants of Elves. If Humans don't get racial variants like this, why should Elves get a plethora of Racial variants (that just happen to have stat bonuses implying different optimal classes for min-max'ing purposes)?

I WOULD expect that if a 'variant Elf culture' is featured semi-prominently in a future AP/ Campaign Setting product, that there would be variant-Elven-culture-specific Feats and Traits and Equipment (and even Class Variants) to differentiate those variant Elven cultures, just like there is for variant Human cultures.


Quandary wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's been stated by Paizoans on multiple occasions that they're not interested in re-creating the High/Sylvan/Grey/Star/etc variants of Elves. If Humans don't get racial variants like this, why should Elves get a plethora of Racial variants (that just happen to have stat bonuses implying different optimal classes for min-max'ing purposes)?

I WOULD expect that if a 'variant Elf culture' is featured semi-prominently in a future AP/ Campaign Setting product, that there would be variant-Elven-culture-specific Feats and Traits and Equipment (and even Class Variants) to differentiate those variant Elven cultures, just like there is for variant Human cultures.

Not the main question I wanted answered, but as I care more about the cultures for character background purposes (min/maxing is banned in my games). The Elves of Golarion book touches on the other cultures but doesn't elaborate on them at all, instead focusing on Kyonin Elves. That is why I want to know.


Pathfinder Adventure Subscriber
Elara wrote:
So, I was just curious, since the book came during Beta does that mean that there will be an errata to update it?

Since the rules in the book are 3.5 rather than Pathfinder RPG Beta, I doubt it. But I'm just another customer, so what do I know?


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Apologies I havent commented on this sooner. Is there any Errata or anything like that for the elves? Considering how Dwarves become so enhanced in the pathfinder dwarves of golarion rules vs the elves using 3.5. I know that you may go back and write a new book for the elves. However that will be a long time coming and I know several people who prefer playing elves to anything else.

thank you.

Contributor

At this time we're devoting 100% of our resources to producing new books rather than updating older books. We probably will revisit elves at some point, but we haven't even finished the core races yet (half-orcs, halflings), so going back to redo another elves book at this point isn't likely for a while.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

What is the stance on Golarian elves and lifespan, as the rules conflict notably with the flavour text. In the flavour text, they can potentially live for thousands of years, and the only real way to tell their age is by their face looking more handsome and ethereal. You almost can't go two pages without being reminded of a lifespan that will see monuments erode into dust.

In the rules, their average max lifespan is two centuries longer than dwarves, far short of a millennium (750 is the max). Conversely, dwarves are not described as a nearly timeless race (barring their craft-work), and in fact their comparable longevity is heavily downplayed. Elves physically suffer from age like any human, becoming weak and frail with time. Because of their lower Constitution, an appreciable fraction of elves will flat-out die at 350; as it's quite possible for an NPC to be two below average, and thus be born with a 6 Con, where the -6 from venerable will knock them to zero.

Contributor

Golarion elves don't follow the lifespan in the Core Rulebook. There are many situations where world-specific material overrides a general game rule.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Golarion elves don't follow the lifespan in the Core Rulebook. There are many situations where world-specific material overrides a general game rule.

Wow, I didn't expect anyone to even be looking at this part of the forum due to its age and seeming isolation from the rest of the messageboard community, so I cross-posted to the setting section.

Thanks for the surprise.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

I know the last post is almost 6 months old , but here goes: is ther any plan NOW to eother update the PDF or print a "races " book ? I would REALLY enjoy seeing how PRPG would change / revise BOTH elves & dwarves , seeing as BOTH came out B-4 Prpg.

Just my two CP.

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Rocannon II wrote:

I know the last post is almost 6 months old , but here goes: is ther any plan NOW to eother update the PDF or print a "races " book ? I would REALLY enjoy seeing how PRPG would change / revise BOTH elves & dwarves , seeing as BOTH came out B-4 Prpg.

Just my two CP.

Dwarves came out under PRPG.

In fact it was in 2010.
Sean

Dark Archive

Rocannon II wrote:

I know the last post is almost 6 months old , but here goes: is ther any plan NOW to eother update the PDF or print a "races " book ? I would REALLY enjoy seeing how PRPG would change / revise BOTH elves & dwarves , seeing as BOTH came out B-4 Prpg.

Just my two CP.

Even though I have some of the "old" books, I'd definitely buy a single tome ("Races of Golarion", or whatever it would be called) containing revised/updated information on all the races. It's just so much easier to manage the information and bring it to sessions than having a dozen individual "leaflets".

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

We've discussed just such a book on several occasions, but given the current release schedule it will probably be more than a year before we could consider such a volume. By that time most of the race Companions will probably have dwindling supplies.

But that's a good ways off in the future.

Sovereign Court

Erik Mona wrote:

We've discussed just such a book on several occasions, but given the current release schedule it will probably be more than a year before we could consider such a volume. By that time most of the race Companions will probably have dwindling supplies.

But that's a good ways off in the future.

Not a fan of this idea, not at all.

I enjoy paying Paizo for new content, not really eager to see old stuff recycled into my sub.

Paizo Employee CEO

GeraintElberion wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:

We've discussed just such a book on several occasions, but given the current release schedule it will probably be more than a year before we could consider such a volume. By that time most of the race Companions will probably have dwindling supplies.

But that's a good ways off in the future.

Not a fan of this idea, not at all.

I enjoy paying Paizo for new content, not really eager to see old stuff recycled into my sub.

If we did that, I doubt we would release it as part of a sub unless it was substantially updated and changed from the original.

-Lisa

Dark Archive

GeraintElberion wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:

We've discussed just such a book on several occasions, but given the current release schedule it will probably be more than a year before we could consider such a volume. By that time most of the race Companions will probably have dwindling supplies.

But that's a good ways off in the future.

Not a fan of this idea, not at all.

I enjoy paying Paizo for new content, not really eager to see old stuff recycled into my sub.

As Lisa said, it wouldn't be part of your subscription. I want the 3.5 mechanics updated to PF RPG, and all the racial information between the covers of a single book; it's easier for me as a GM, and it's easier for the players as well.

It's good to know Paizo is seriously considering this, and I won't mind if it takes a year or two until it'll be published! :)

Owner - House of Books and Games LLC

Lisa Stevens wrote:
GeraintElberion wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:
We've discussed just such a book on several occasions, but given the current release schedule it will probably be more than a year before we could consider such a volume. By that time most of the race Companions will probably have dwindling supplies.
Not a fan of this idea, not at all ...
If we did that, I doubt we would release it as part of a sub unless it was substantially updated and changed from the original.

Well, I have the opposite opinion. I'd be getting it anyways, and if it's not part of the subscription, then I don't get the PDF (which I use more than the hardcopy) without paying extra.

However, I doubt Paizo wants to open the "opt out of some items in your subscription" door. That way lies madness. Unless, perhaps, it was a once-per-year kind of thing?

I'd be curious, of the subscriber base, what the percentages would be that would want it vs. those that wouldn't and those that didn't care either way.


I'd love to have all the 3.x pathfinder updated to pathdfinder too

and thus I'd buy the races of golarion book....

and a compilated Rise of the Runelords...

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Wha, is this the "I hate you Elves of Golarion, please die" day? Also, Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation would be proud.


Gorbacz wrote:
Wha, is this the "I hate you Elves of Golarion, please die" day? Also, Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation would be proud.

Wow. Three 1-star reviews within 2 hours, and two of those listed as "part one" and "cont" by two different usernames.

Something tells me trolls are on the warpath today.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I'd really like to try whatever the reviewer was smoking while writing them...

Dark Archive

*facepalm*

Instead of giving one vote and writing a long review in the product discussion, a three part review and a triple vote... with three different accounts, nonetheless. Trolls on the warpath indeed.


I actually considered this very obvious trolling-attempt rather funny, to be honest. It's just so extremely blatant in its attempt @ trolling elf-fanboys its laughable.
I just hope no one bites - don't feed the trolls, people.

Cheers,
Endzeitgeist

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

While three 1-star reviews is a bit much, I'll go on record as saying that I appreciate long reviews, even if they're negative and repetitive, rather than a simple 1-star (or 5-star) rating and then a comment like "This book is stupid." It gives me an opportunity to see where the reviewer is coming from, and to agree or disagree.

In this case, I think there's a point there: the Races books are all written from a "pro-race" point of view; none of the is objective. "Halflings of Golarion" is written from a "halflings are great" perspective, for example. Perhaps the reason for that bias is that the players most interested in picking up the book and reading it are playing characters of that race, and are naturally inclined to be sympathetic to an author who congratulates them on their wise choice.

Dark Archive

Those reviews reminded me of my own reaction to the 2nd edition Complete Elves Handbook. :)

The Exchange

Set wrote:

Those reviews reminded me of my own reaction to the 2nd edition Complete Elves Handbook. :)

My first and favorite DnD book.

Paizo Employee CEO

[puts on sarcasm hat] Well, thank god we are down to our last dozen copies or so of this book, with all these 1-star reviews! [takes hat off]

-Lisa

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Lisa Stevens wrote:

[puts on sarcasm hat] Well, thank god we are down to our last dozen copies or so of this book, with all these 1-star reviews! [takes hat off]

-Lisa

Is it wrong that I now want a sarcasm hat?


The list of grievances offered is very... amusing. No insult I could muster against our tripartite reviewer could possibly embarrass them more than their own reviews ought to.

I would say the reviews should be removed as eyesores, but the product is out of print and the reviewer's craziness is so evident that they pose no threat of swaying a buyer's opinion.

Mission accomplished, oh sarcastic and barely-literate one!

EDIT: +1 Chris Mortika. Even a terrible review is helpful. After laughing my way through that, I kinda want to get my hands on Elves of Golarion now — and normally I care not for things elfin.

Shadow Lodge

Regardless of the quality of the posts at least one of them is clearly a sock puppet account created with the sole purpose of finishing a thorough thrashing. If they wanted to do a longer review than the post allowed they should have posted a single one star review and finished the review in the comments page and posted a link to the continuation in the review.

Silver Crusade

Yeah, it looks like spillover rage over the 2E Complete Book of Elves for the most part. Elf hate has been hip in some circles for a long time now. It may have been born out of a reaction to the tired tropes of "Elves are just better"(see Complete Book of Elves), but hot damn if it hasn't gotten just as irritating.

That said, I wasn't a big fan of the roleplaying advice on elven attitudes towards half-orcs. It just seemed like a one-way ticket to party strife. Suggesting that a generally CG race's first reaction around another race, a player race at that, is to do murder just sets a bad precedent, IMO.

Still not enough to set one off on a 1-star review rampage though...


Lisa Stevens wrote:

[puts on sarcasm hat] Well, thank god we are down to our last dozen copies or so of this book, with all these 1-star reviews! [takes hat off]

-Lisa

They are sure to sell out now, particularly if others share Evil Lincoln's views.

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Mikaze wrote:
Elf hate has been hip in some circles for a long time now.

Bah, I hated the Complete Book of Elves long before it was trendy. Now that a bunch of wannabes have jumped on the bandwagon, I'm not gonna be all 'I gotta be different' and jump off.

I was here first, darnit! I slashed through the elf-love with a machete, and ate trail rations and built this city with my own hands, and now there's all these darn tourists, who oh-so-conveniently hate elves now that I did all the work blazing the trail and digging latrines and setting up wi-fi!

When the herd rushes off to go hate halflings or whatever, I'll be here to shut off the lights.

Elves. <spits> We shall speak of them no more.


Hello all. Yeah I did one of the 1 star reviews, but I can assure you Zhen Yi Soh is not me. We know each other, we are in the same broad Bundoora Melbourne gaming group and we have similar dislikes of the Elves of Golarion book, but he isn't a puppet of me, there is no puppet account and I will be doing other reviews of products I've got a hold of. They will most likely be far less negative, because while other racial books can certainly be pro and favourable of what they are covering, this book on elves, this was special in just how great it presented the chaotic, fencer, wizard, bowmen, farmer, poets which each elf is meant to be. Ah the contradictions within, and how elves spread out their skills and expertise, all very interesting.

Unfortunately the second half of Zhen's review was taken down. He went into more specifics of his critique and how ridiculous it was to him, but it seems to have been removed. This doesn't seem right in a review section.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

3.5 Loyalist wrote:
Unfortunately the second half of Zhen's review was taken down. He went into more specifics of his critique and how ridiculous it was to him, but it seems to have been removed. This doesn't seem right in a review section.

What's *not* right is creating a sock puppet to get around the maximum review length (and getting your rating counted twice in the average product rating). We let him know that that's not appropriate, and he may edit his review to incorporate any points from the second half that he feels needs to be there.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Dark Sasha wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:

[puts on sarcasm hat] Well, thank god we are down to our last dozen copies or so of this book, with all these 1-star reviews! [takes hat off]

-Lisa

They are sure to sell out now, particularly if others share Evil Lincoln's views.

Lisa didn't have access to the actual inventory numbers when she wrote that... It's actually more than a dozen, but it's well under 100.

Our distributor still has some left, too, and if they still have them after we've sold through ours, we'll buy some of them back to keep it in stock here as long as possible. Still, if you're thinking about buying a copy, don't think *too* long. They won't be gone tomorrow, but they could be gone in a few months.

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