Pathfinder Adventure Path #2: The Skinsaw Murders (Rise of the Runelords 2 of 6) (OGL)

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The Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path continues! A sudden string of brutal killings terrorizes the town of Sandpoint, and the killer's mark bears a familiar shape. Investigation leads to the Lost Coast's most notorious haunted mansion, a dilapidated ruin that has become the lair of a monstrous murderer. Yet this killer is but one of many, a member of a group of fanatic cutthroats calling themselves the Skinsaw Men. To defeat the cult, the PCs must travel to the bustling city of Magnimar to unravel the sinister source of these murders before they become the Skinsaw Men's next victims!

This volume of Pathfinder Adventure Path continues the Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path and includes:

  • "The Skinsaw Murders," an adventure for 4th-level characters by Richard Pett.
  • Details on Magnimar, the City of Monuments, by F. Wesley Schneider.
  • Information on the church of Desna, goddess of dreams, stars, and travel, by Sean K Reynolds.
  • The second installment of the Pathfinder's Journal, by Jason Bulmahn.
  • Six new monsters by Jason Bulmahn, James Jacobs, Richard Pett, and F. Wesley Schneider.

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-037-7

Web Supplement: An additional map of Magnimar may be found in the Paizo blog entry for October 5, 2007.

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A Perfect Foray Into Horror

*****

NO SPOILERS

I gave a full explanation of Pathfinder adventure paths in my review of the first chapter, so now we can just jump right into Chapter Two, The Skinsaw Murders. Like before, I'll start with the back matter first so I can discuss the adventure later below a spoiler warning. For those looking for a one-sentence review, I'll simply say: another great installment of the adventure (with a great shift in tone) and some quality material in the back matter.

The back matter begins on page 56 with a gazetteer of Magnimar, an important city in southwest Varisia. Magnimar's claim to fame is that it's built around (and literally under) the reaches of a humongous bridge, the Irespan, that dates to the time of ancient Thassilon. The gazetteer, which is ten pages long, covers the topics you would expect: the government of the city, its crime and law enforcement, the different parts of the city, etc. Two maps are provided: a full-page map of the city (identifying its various districts) and a quarter page map of the Shadow (the area of the city directly under the Irespan). There's a gorgeous drawing on page 65 that captures the geography of the city perfectly, definitely a case of a picture being worth a thousand words. The information provided is adequate for running a brief adventure in the city, but Paizo later published a full 64-page sourcebook on it ("City of Monuments") and an eight-panel map (in the "Shattered Star Map Folio"). The gazetteer is solid, but for the most part, there's not a lot that sets Magnimar apart from a traditional fantasy city. The upside is that you don't have to worry about the setting overshadowing the story you want to tell. It would have been nice to see some sample encounters to show off some of the city's more distinguishing features (such as the presence of various monuments and the widespread worship of semi-divine figures called empyreal lords).

Next up is a ten-page treatment on Desna, Goddess of Travel, Dreams, Luck, and the Stars. There's information on the faith's priests, shrines, custom spells, holy texts, myths, allies, and more. A new prestige class is introduced, the Spherewalker. This section is written quite skilfully to tie some otherwise disparate themes together and includes a really interesting discussion of her rather unstructured faith. It's very easy for the reader to imagine how to actually play or portray an adventuring cleric of Desna in a game, something that's not always easy to do when reading about other gods. (The section contains a little sidebar on Ghlaunder, a demigod of parasites and infection; I'm not really sure why.) I can't move on without mentioning the artwork, which is again top notch.

Five pages are then devoted to an installment of the Pathfinder's Journal. Unlike last issue, which presented a prose description of the Pathfinder Society, this time around the section is written as a first person account from a Pathfinder named Eando Kline. While in Magnimar, Kline hears that an ioun stone for his wayfinder may be in the city of Kaer Maga, so he decides to set sail east aboard a riverboat. There's some nice description of areas of southern Varisia that are otherwise rarely mentioned (such as the hamlet of Wartle), and a fairly exciting twist in the story.

This issue's bestiary contains six different creatures: Carrionstorms, Boggards, Lyrakiens, Faceless Stalkers, Revenants, and Lamia Matriarchs. The bestiary is more important this time around than in last issue, because some (I won't say which for fear of spoilers) of these appear in the main adventure. The writing style and artwork complement each other well in this section, and I think all are solid additions to the game. I particularly like Carrionstorms (hordes of undead birds; those of you with bird phobias won't be happy!) and Faceless Stalkers (it's handy to have a monster that can look like anyone, and the background they've been given is really cool even if isn't likely to arise in gameplay). The monsters are written with 3.5 stats, but updates to Pathfinder are available on the PRD.

Last up is a single page of the four Iconics with stat blocks bumped up to Level 4.

SPOILERS

That cover is exciting and evocative. I love it. But, it's also pretty spoilery because it reveals the type of creature responsible for a murder mystery at the beginning of the adventure and a hidden entrance/exit to an important haunted house later in the adventure. Hopefully, the players don't look too closely.

James Jacobs' foreword notes how this installment shifts gears and moves the AP into a horror theme. He makes an excellent point that GMs need to ensure there are some breaks and downtime, as constant grinding horror can wear on players and will become less effective over time. I tried to take the advice to heart when I ran this section of the AP a few months ago (I actually used the Anniversary Edition, but I'll note below where there are significant changes). As a whole, the adventure here in Issue # 2 is excellent, and spans a lot of genres: murder mysteries, classic horror, big city adventure, and more.

The adventure, written by Richard Pett, starts out with three pages of background, and it's honestly a lot to digest. The bulk of it is about the history of the Foxglove family, the scion of which is Aldern Foxglove, the "foppish noble" the PCs rescued at the beginning of the previous chapter. A century prior, Aldern's ancestor Vorel Foxglove built a mansion on a remote promontory south of Sandpoint and installed a secret laboratory to further his research into lichdom! Things went horribly wrong, and the house has been haunted for generations since. Aldern, in seeking funds to rebuild the mansion, fell into the wrong crowd (if you can excuse the massive understatement): the Skinsaw Cult, a group of serial killers operating out of Magnimar. After being turned into a ghoul, Aldern begins ritualistically terrorizing Sandpoint on behalf of the cult and its leader, a lamia matriarch named Xanesha (who, in turn, is acting on behalf of the big bad of the entire AP). There's a lot of information and a detailed chronology for Foxglove Manor, and I had to go over things several times to really get the sequence of events straight in my mind. In retrospect, I think the history might be *too* detailed--perfect for something like Call of Cthulhu where you expect the PCs to do a lot of historical investigation, but probably unnecessary for traditional D&D-style game play. But I digress.

Part One is titled "Murder Most Foul", and it sees the PCs immediately drawn into solving a pair of murders at the Sandpoint Lumber Mill. A young couple have been killed in an incredibly gruesome way (seriously, think about "trigger warnings" if you have sensitive souls at the table) and Sheriff Hemlock enlists the PCs for help. There's a *lot* of clues available for PCs to find--probably too many, as it's not particularly difficult to come to a conclusion about what type of creature was the murderer (a ghoul). Still, designing mysteries is hard, as too few (or missed) clues can derail an adventure. I really liked this section as it's good to get the players doing something different than pure combat and having to stretch (even if only slightly) their brains. I particularly like how the killer (Aldern) has become obsessed with one of the PCs, and that the GM is presented with some different options on the nature of the obsession depending on the makeup of the party. This sort of personal, direct tie keeps "canned" adventures from feeling like they're one-size-fits-all, and the personal theme continues into the next part of the chapter as well. One thing that I think would have been better is if the victims of the mill murders were NPCs that the PCs knew or cared about, even if only a little. Having them (likely) be total strangers lessened the role-playing possibilities.

The PCs are given a few different leads from the lumber mill, and one of them leads to the sole surviving witness of another set of murders obviously done by the same killer. This witness is largely insane and (probably unbeknownst to the PCs) infected with ghoul fever. The PCs can find him at an isolated asylum some miles from town. There's a scripted encounter where the insane witness breaks free of a straitjacket and attacks, providing some additional clues along the way. The Anniversary Edition expanded on this segment considerably by adding a quid-pro-quo alliance between the asylum's operator and a necromancer working out of the basement. The encounters (both old and new) weren't at all hard for my group, but I was happy with how the plot played out.

On their way back from the asylum (or near Sandpoint if that lead wasn't followed), the PCs are accosted by a drunk, distraught farmer raving about walking scarecrows killing people out at the southern farms. The "walking scarecrows" are ghouls created by Aldern and their hunger ramps up the stakes and the urgency. An encounter against a pack of ghouls (set at one of the farms) is really dangerous and has probably the highest potential of anything in the adventure to lead to a TPK: ghouls and their paralytic touches are far more deadly than their low CR would indicate! I was relieved to only have one PC death while running this section. An evil but extremely clever move by the writer could also lead to the PCs accidentally killing innocent people if they're not extremely careful, and I imagine some good role-playing could come from it.

From the farmhouse encounter and assorted other clues, the PCs should have enough to figure out that the source of the ghoul threat is Foxglove Manor, the "haunted house" I mentioned above.

Part Two, "Misgivings", requires the PCs to venture into Foxglove Manor. This house has a couple of floors, plus an attic, a basement, and caverns underneath. The main innovation here is the frequent use of "haunts." Haunts are often described as "spectral traps", in that they are location based, trigger when someone comes close or does something in particular, and then has a mechanical effect. The difference is that haunts are fantastic story-telling devices, because when they're triggered the character who suffers from one has visions of some traumatic experience in the past of the mansion. There are different themes of haunts tied to different characters (depending on their personalities), and it all ties together really cleverly. There's actually very few traditional encounters in the house, with the bulk of them taking place in the caverns where Aldern has made his lair. I think this area of the adventure was a very effective Pathfinder version of a haunted house story. The major drawback I found as a GM is that much of the story (and many of the haunts) could be bypassed by the simple (even accidental) choice of the PCs to explore below before exploring upstairs. For example, there's a whole storyline involving a revenant in the attic (Aldern's murdered wife) that never came into play in my game, as well as a whole host of haunts that told some cool backstory (and were worth a lot of XP) that my players never encountered. On the other hand, I understand Pett's inclination not to completely railroad players by making sure they come across every encounter, and there are surely some groups bound and determined to explore every nook and cranny of the house regardless of the risks.

Part Three, "Welcome to Magnimar," sees the PCs following clues found in Aldern's lair that reveal he's just one member of a larger cult based in Magnimar. This is the first time the PCs leave the Sandpoint region, and it comes at a good point in the campaign because they might be a bit tired of seeing only one small town. Although the issue comes with a really good map of the Sandpoint hinterlands, it doesn't provided much detail of what's on the path from Sandpoint to Magnimar (a two day journey on the road). The PCs' first investigative stop in Magnimar will likely be Aldern's townhouse, where two Faceless Stalkers disguised as Aldern and his wife are there to greet them warmly before ambushing them. The little touch of the disguises were great, as my players were very much in a "what the heck is happening?" state. I do wish there was more of interest to find in the house, as there's a quite detailed map and several labelled rooms, but all are essentially empty except for a well-hidden cache of documents and valuables behind a fireplace.

Part Four, "The Seven's Sawmill," has the PCs follow the clues found in Aldern's townhouse to the cult's headquarters, a sawmill. The cult is large (13 members, plus its ostensible leader, a member of Magnimar's Justice Council named Ironbriar), and the sawmill has several levels plus some fun machinery for the PCs to get trapped in. This is a scenario that could play out *very* differently depending on whether the PCs visit at night (when only 3 cultists are present), during the day (when all of the cultists are present but scattered on different levels), or during the one night a week when they have a special ceremony (when everyone is all on the same level). My players essentially chose the latter option and had one huge battle, but as a GM I had to put the time in to be prepared for every eventuality (including the Perception DCs on different levels, how long it would take reinforcements to arrive from one level to another, etc.). It's not the most original encounter, but it was solid.

The chapter concludes with Part Five, "Shadows of Time." A few different clues will lead the PCs to the lair of the cult's real leader, a lamia matriarch (a kind of snake-bodied sorcerer) named Xanesha. Xanesha makes her home atop an old, abandoned, and quite rickety clock tower in Magnimar's poorest and most dangerous district, and she's protected by a trio of Faceless Stalkers (who will drop a huge bell on PCs) and a terrifying flesh golem with a massive scythe that will kill most PCs on a crit. The clock tower is a fantastic, evocative location for a big showdown, and one I think your players will remember for a long, long time. It's been one of the real highlights of the AP through the first two chapters I've run. (GMs sticking closely to the original write-up of Xanesha in this issue should note that she caused a lot of TPKs for groups, so her stats were changed quite significantly in the RotRL Anniversary Edition.) Assuming the PCs are successful, the chapter ends with an invite to a party at the Lord-Mayor's residence and a sizable cash reward.

All in all, I think this chapter once again knocks it out of the park. Starting with investigating a grisly murder scene, and then on to a creepy asylum, and then through a full-fledged haunted house, before ending up an iconic fight against a big bad on the top of a collapsing clock tower, the story and settings are simply fantastic. If I had to levy any criticisms, it's twofold: 1) the plot is fairly railroady, in that a clue (usually a document) found at the end of one part inevitably leads to the next part) and 2) that the meta-plot of the AP as a whole is still barely in motion, at least insofar as the players will be able to tell. Apart from perhaps noticing the Sihedron medallion on both Nualia and Xanesha, the players have no real reason to conclude that there's any link between chapters of the AP. Those issues aside, I have no qualms about heartily recommending The Skinsaw Murders.


*****

The campaign continues with a great little Gothic horror story full of haunted houses, phantoms and madness. A great change of tact after the first part of the campaign. Another well written scenario.


Changes between single issue & hardcover collection comparison!

*****

Because enough reviews about this excellent product have been written, i´m gonna compare it with it´s upgrade to the Pathfinder rulesset in the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition hardcover and list the differences for people who are wondering what got lost on the cutting room floor.

Inside covers: The sihedron symbol with the seven runes is not reprinted.
Sheriff Hemlock´s fullbody illustration (fbi) on page 10 has been exchanged against an upper body illu that looks totally different.
Habe´s Sanatorium has been totally reworked and gets new maps.
There are new foes in it added.
Erin Habe gets an upper body illu.
"A Varisian Nursery Rhyme" is not reprinted.
Handouts 2-3 and 2-4 are added.
A fbi of Iesha Foxglove is added.
Ghoul Bat stats are replaced with Skaveling.
Goblin Ghouls are replaced with Goblin Ghasts.
The Skinsaw Man´s old fbi is replaced with a new one.
Foxglove´s Townhouse gets new maps.
Justice Ironbriar´s old fbi is replaced with a new one.
Xanesha is changed from sorcerer 2 to rogue 1.
The half-page artwork of Magnimar from page 56 is not repinted.
The headshot of Sabriyya Kalmeralm is not reprinted.
The map of Magnimar on page 62 is exchanged for an inferior one on page 389. The scale is changed. The much more detailed map of "the Shadow" district on page 64 is not reprinted and an inferior version is depicted on the map on page 389.
The Desna article is not reprinted (it gets reprinted and updated in the "Inner Sea Gods" HC.)
The first part of Eando Kline´s Pathfinder Tale is not reprinted.
The Lyrakien artwork from page 87 is not reprinted anywhere to my knowledge.

While the HC collects, expands and updates everything needed for the campaign, a lot of things (mostly illustrations) are not reprinted.
If you want a better map of Magnimar and a fbi of Sheriff Hemlock looking like a Shoanti, or play it in 3.5, this book is certainly worth getting.

List of miniatures needed for battles:

2 male Tieflings
1 Wererat
1 human Necromancer
4 Zombies
1 unarmed male human
13 Ghouls (26 in all)
1 Ghast (2 in all)
4 flying swarms (large D&D Bat Swarms or 16 medium groundbase swarm minis)
1 rat
1 human female corporeal undead
2 Rat Swarms
1 Dire Bat
4 Goblins (as Goblin Ghasts)
3 Faceless Stalkers (5 in all)
4 human cultists (13 in all)
1 Elf cleric
1 Flesh Golem
1 Lamia Matriarch


Glad to own it

*****

The Skinsaw murders is by far a better work overall and shows how Paizo gets their fan base and the fantasy RPG. The foxglove theme is done perfectly in this "who done it scenario" and gives the players a run for their money in all aspects. Reading this one was a complete joy being a GM. Players should become captivated by the story and investigative process in which to follow through on, while continuing the Runelord AP. Happy hunting on this Sherlock Holmes insert.


Seasonal Genius

*****

This is probably my favorite of any pathfinder AP

Thick atmosphere, chilling, gut churning set pieces, and genuine hack and slash intensity click together in what could easily become a stand alone module with minor tweaks, yet fits well into the ROTR continuity.

Even if the overall structure of the module (linear, three chapter) leaves little room for narrative inventiveness on the player's part, the moment to moment play is still quite open ended. A certain trek through a corn field is a particular highlight of nonlinear horror in a controlled narrative structure.

Although an ending grind and particularly ferocious bbeg required a bit of nerfing, Skinsaw is the rare AP that succeeds in integrating horror into a fantasy roleplaying environment. The call of cthulhu style investigations and fiendish haunt system mesh shockingly well with the combat, which is a rarity.

I'll definitely be picking this one up this month with an unsuspecting party


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Dark Archive

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Like I said still good product guys keep it up. I am looking foreward to seeing the whole AP. After that maybe I'll think about canceling. ;)


The word you were looking for in your review was "chord"...something strikes a chord in you.

What? Just sayin'.

Dark Archive

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Hideously Deformed wrote:

The word you were looking for in your review was "chord"...something strikes a chord in you.

What? Just sayin'.

yeah yeah... my spelling sucks...

Dark Archive

Amazing job! I'm eagerly awaiting more.

Grand Lodge

Fantastic product. Good to see a change of pace IMO. Excellent production values. Though I thought a read, "More maps of Magnimar showing exact district borders, avenue and plaza names, and the precise location of numerous locales can be found in the downloadable content for this volume, available at paizo.com/pathfinder."

Am I missing it or is it just not obvious enough for the likes of me?

Keep up the great work, you have earned my renewal and I look forward to more from this great product.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Yeah, so far so good on these. Just out of curiousity what happened to the "wandering monster charts for the hinterlands" that volume 1 said would be in this volume? Another victim of "not enough space"? Will we see them as a web enhancement?


I'm enjoying the series so far too. Well written...not too rigid. It allows plenty of play with the story line. Good job!


Eric Stelle wrote:
Am I missing it or is it just not obvious enough for the likes of me?

I had a problem with this as well. When I started into that chapter, I noticed that the key-numbers on the map weren't really in the right places to match the blurbs and descriptions on the pages that lead up and follow the map. I thought "what the hey! It's an excusable misprint, I'll just go pick up this comprehencive version that they have on the website!" But... I don't see that anywhere... is it cleverly inserted into the PDF version?

Why don't you guys get back to me on this.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

You can find a more detailed (and correct) map of Magnimar here. It was featured on the Paizo blog, which, right now, is the best place to look for additional content. (We know... it needs to also be put somewhere more obvious.)

Dark Archive

Just wanted to add: I just started reading the Skinsaw Murders and... WOW. That is a COOL issue. Creepy and convoluted as I like them horror modules. The ambiance is definitely there. I want to run it.

Thanks guys!


Great job so far guys.
Up to now, my players are "dying" (lol) to continue the adventure on each week session.

The art is getting better and that's really good.

I would like it if you could make 2 posters like in the other adventure path: 1 for the villains and 1 for the hero’s friends of this pathfinder series.

Contributor

Over the weekend, I ran the Foxglove Manor section for my yearly Halloween gaming session. Although we didn't get to finish it before everyone was falling out, it was one of the better haunted house games I've run. The hauntings were deliciously eery and the players enjoyed seeing the story of the manor unfolded through them. That section alone makes this issue well worth getting. Fortunately, the rest of the adventure is just as solid.


Steve Greer wrote:
Over the weekend, I ran the Foxglove Manor section for my yearly Halloween gaming session. Although we didn't get to finish it before everyone was falling out, it was one of the better haunted house games I've run. The hauntings were deliciously eery and the players enjoyed seeing the story of the manor unfolded through them. That section alone makes this issue well worth getting. Fortunately, the rest of the adventure is just as solid.

I especially like the haunting...

Spoiler:
Where the affected PC sits down at the desk and attempts to slit their own throat. "What are you complaining about? I didn't kill your character, he did it himself..."<insert evil DM chuckle> lol


love the Adventures and the way the stuff is put together, But I always wondered if it was possible to put the personality's of the Npc's in the adventures. That way i know how they react to Questions, flirting or all round role-playing. I been dming since i subscribe to pathfinder, and sometimes reading all of it and then highlighting all the stuff that the players need to know and stuff only i need to know for the adventure takes along time. But other then that, Awesome work and keep it up.

Contributor

I have nothing but complaints about this adventure:

WHY IS IT SOOOOO GOOOOOOOD!!!???

WHY IS IT SOOOOO PERFECT FOR HALLOWEEN!?

WHY DID RICH PETT CREATE SOMETHING BETTER THAN EVERYTHING I WRITE!!!???

Nothing but complaints...

and tears.


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

Yes, i am wondering where the down-loadable content is as well. I believe the city map of Magnimar is mis-numbered. I would like some clarification on it.

And more information is always welcome to help me immerse my players more fully in the game.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

michael hartikainen wrote:

Yes, i am wondering where the down-loadable content is as well. I believe the city map of Magnimar is mis-numbered. I would like some clarification on it.

We'll gather stuff into more obvious places soon, but for now, the place to look is the Paizo Blog. You'll find corrected and more detailed maps of Magnimar here.


Nicolas Logue wrote:

I have nothing but complaints about this adventure:

WHY IS IT SOOOOO GOOOOOOOD!!!???

WHY IS IT SOOOOO PERFECT FOR HALLOWEEN!?

WHY DID RICH PETT CREATE SOMETHING BETTER THAN EVERYTHING I WRITE!!!???

Nothing but complaints...

and tears.

BOW YOUR HEAD!


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Nicolas Logue wrote:

I have nothing but complaints about this adventure:

WHY IS IT SOOOOO GOOOOOOOD!!!???

WHY IS IT SOOOOO PERFECT FOR HALLOWEEN!?

WHY DID RICH PETT CREATE SOMETHING BETTER THAN EVERYTHING I WRITE!!!???

Nothing but complaints...

and tears.

Interesting what you get away with in a bio page that won't normally fly on the boards otherwise Sir Nick.

Although two of your mental ability scores are alarmingly close to Lenny's... ^_^

If it is any consolation, your stuff almost frags more PCs than the rest .... thiers just frag PCs instead...


It would have been great to put small maps of the murdered scene like in cops movies (with the dead bodies locations outline in white), like the one for the sanatorium.

My players just took a quick look at those places and without too must interest: they figure out that if there is no map, it means that it's not an important place in the adventure...

On another subject, it was fun to see the face of one of my players, when he found out that is "beloved" katrine was death (he had started an affair with her during the goblin crisis: in my game, Ven's daughters are twin and he gut mix-up in their names). Now Ven is sure that my player is the killer...


It seems the hard copy ofthis issue just became "unavailable". Did it go out of print? Will there be more copies printed?

Greg

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

GregH wrote:

It seems the hard copy ofthis issue just became "unavailable". Did it go out of print? Will there be more copies printed?

Greg

We're *almost* sold out. We just adjusted inventory to make the last copies available.

We're discussing the possibilities of reprinting, but we haven't yet determined if we anticipate enough demand to sell through another run or not.


Vic Wertz wrote:


We're *almost* sold out. We just adjusted inventory to make the last copies available.

We're discussing the possibilities of reprinting, but we haven't yet determined if we anticipate enough demand to sell through another run or not.

So, you're saying if I want it, I should buy it now?

Greg


Vic Wertz wrote:


We're *almost* sold out. We just adjusted inventory to make the last copies available.

We're discussing the possibilities of reprinting, but we haven't yet determined if we anticipate enough demand to sell through another run or not.

Sorry, a few more questions. If I order it now, and I have a couple of pre-orders in my purchase order will you hold a copy for me until they all ship? Or if, when my pre-orders are ready, there isn't a copy avaiable, I'm SOL?

And how are PDF's handled in the same order? Are they downloadable immediately?

Thanks,
Greg


GregH wrote:
And how are PDF's handled in the same order? Are they downloadable immediately?

If you buy a PDF from Paizo, it's available immediately when your order is complete (so far in my experience). If you're a Pathfinder/GameMastery subscriber, the PDF becomes available when your order ships.

Dark Archive

great job i like all you guys do and hope for another contest for rpg superstar i miss the first

im just in waiting time now for more map more explication on the world

Dark Archive

i have one question when we recive all detail on deities and map of the world


dunrosh wrote:
i have one question when we recive all detail on deities and map of the world

Check the upcoming Gazetteers and setting hardcover (not released - we wait on pins and needles for it).


Will a print of this version ever be available again? I just started with Chapter 1 hoping to find a good module to run with a group.

Man - everyone loves chapter 1!! I want to continue, and while we are not finished with Chtp. 1 yet I'd like to be ready. I hate PDF's for more reasons then are worth noting.

EDIT: I guess I can just look for a used one if you don't want to reprint it.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

We're certainly looking into the logistics and possibility of reprinting Pathfinder #2. But those plans to reprint aren't in stone yet; checking the used bookstores or places like Ebay might be a good bet in the meantime.


sirebral, amazon.com has some (3 as of this moment) available through independent sellers.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

James Jacobs wrote:
We're certainly looking into the logistics and possibility of reprinting Pathfinder #2. But those plans to reprint aren't in stone yet; checking the used bookstores or places like Ebay might be a good bet in the meantime.

I work in a game store, I can attest that people are still learning about (and still buying) the first Pathfinder series. However, we are losing some sales because the second part is not available. And I get at least two or three questions about part two every week.

Reprint, reprint, reprint!

Scarab Sages

Doyle Tavener wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
We're certainly looking into the logistics and possibility of reprinting Pathfinder #2. But those plans to reprint aren't in stone yet; checking the used bookstores or places like Ebay might be a good bet in the meantime.

I work in a game store, I can attest that people are still learning about (and still buying) the first Pathfinder series. However, we are losing some sales because the second part is not available. And I get at least two or three questions about part two every week.

Reprint, reprint, reprint!

Seconded on the reprint! My partner has decided to run RotRL for his STAP group once we're finished (we're about halfway through) after weeks of mutual squeeing over the prospect of my running CotCT. He can run from pdf but it's so much better to have the physical books, and not being able to track down Skinsaw (well, other than being hideously overcharged for second hand copies in Amazon marketplace, I'd much rather give my money to Paizo) is all that's preventing me from buying all 6 back issues.

My gaming society also hosted a national competition a couple of weeks ago where I pointed out Pathfinder to a few people at one of the LGS stalls. Several were interested, but not having the second volume available to peruse (and the owner having no idea if he'd ever be able to get hold of it again) put a lot of people off, again, whilst we all agreed pdfs are an awesome resource for printing out handouts and so forth, most would prefer to have a print copy for when they're actually running.

Paizo Employee CEO

We are putting the final touches on a reprint of #2, and once we give the go ahead to the printer, it will take about 6 weeks to get here. I expect that we will give that go ahead this coming week.

-Lisa


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Card Game, Class Deck, Maps, Pawns Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

If anyone wants it faster than that - Blackthorn Games in Dickson, TN, had one copy of Pathfinder #2 on their shelf as of this past weekend. You can call the store at 615-446-6057. (They also had one copy of Pathfinder #3 if you need both and want to combine shipping.)

Scarab Sages

Lisa Stevens wrote:

We are putting the final touches on a reprint of #2, and once we give the go ahead to the printer, it will take about 6 weeks to get here. I expect that we will give that go ahead this coming week.

-Lisa

Woo! :D


Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Will there be any changes in the reprint (errata, etc.) or will it be the same as the first printing?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps Subscriber

I am running my group through this adventure and i was looking at the section on magnimar and its says on one of the pages that there is downloadable content about magnimar on page 63. Whhere can I find this and does every issue of the pathfinder come with downloadable content?

thanks
Jamie

Paizo Employee CEO

Rauol_Duke wrote:
Will there be any changes in the reprint (errata, etc.) or will it be the same as the first printing?

It will be a straight reprint. In order for us to do this economically, we need to keep the printing plates the exact same as they were.

-Lisa


Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Thanks, Lisa.


Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
JavertCMH wrote:

I am running my group through this adventure and i was looking at the section on magnimar and its says on one of the pages that there is downloadable content about magnimar on page 63. Whhere can I find this and does every issue of the pathfinder come with downloadable content?

thanks
Jamie

Hi-Res, update map is located HERE.

Contributor

Lisa Stevens wrote:
Rauol_Duke wrote:
Will there be any changes in the reprint (errata, etc.) or will it be the same as the first printing?

It will be a straight reprint. In order for us to do this economically, we need to keep the printing plates the exact same as they were.

-Lisa

Ricky got the first reprint, Ricky got the first reprint...

Ahem, erm I mean I am of course delighted to be so honoured (QE).

Mnaaaar

Dank, misty hilltop - out

Contributor

The great thing as I've said many times is seeing the way these work when they are being played, and the ton of great ideas that players and DMs put on the adventure in their own game sessions. So thanks for the feedback chaps, it's always inspirational to future adventures and of course as greg, greer, kortes, leati, louge and everyone continues to up the ante I'll hopefully be able to improve as well.


when will a print version of this volumbe be available again???


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nwelte wrote:
when will a print version of this volumbe be available again???

10 posts up.

Lisa Stevens wrote:

We are putting the final touches on a reprint of #2, and once we give the go ahead to the printer, it will take about 6 weeks to get here. I expect that we will give that go ahead this coming week.

-Lisa


Lisa Stevens wrote:

We are putting the final touches on a reprint of #2, and once we give the go ahead to the printer, it will take about 6 weeks to get here. I expect that we will give that go ahead this coming week.

-Lisa

I can't believe this book is $50.00 on the secondary market.

Since your company is supporting 3.5. I'm also gonna carry some 3.5 material in my retail store. So I went to restock on all the Pathfinder Runelord series. Only to discover #2 is out of print.
Makes it hard to carry the whole line when one issue is out of print.

Plz give the go ahead at the printer. Summer is coming and retailers need this on our shelves.

Contributor

Twizz wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:

We are putting the final touches on a reprint of #2, and once we give the go ahead to the printer, it will take about 6 weeks to get here. I expect that we will give that go ahead this coming week.

-Lisa

I can't believe this book is $50.00 on the secondary market.

Since your company is supporting 3.5. I'm also gonna carry some 3.5 material in my retail store. So I went to restock on all the Pathfinder Runelord series. Only to discover #2 is out of print.
Makes it hard to carry the whole line when one issue is out of print.

Plz give the go ahead at the printer. Summer is coming and retailers need this on our shelves.

$50 - gosh!

Dark Archive

Richard Pett wrote:
Twizz wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:

We are putting the final touches on a reprint of #2, and once we give the go ahead to the printer, it will take about 6 weeks to get here. I expect that we will give that go ahead this coming week.

-Lisa

I can't believe this book is $50.00 on the secondary market.

Since your company is supporting 3.5. I'm also gonna carry some 3.5 material in my retail store. So I went to restock on all the Pathfinder Runelord series. Only to discover #2 is out of print.
Makes it hard to carry the whole line when one issue is out of print.

Plz give the go ahead at the printer. Summer is coming and retailers need this on our shelves.

$50 - gosh!

Well someones head just swelled up to 10 times the normal size. :)


My group is enjoying this so far. I really like the Varisian feats. Super-fun. I'm a NG summoning cleric of Cayden with a longspear. Good times. Since I'm human I took the first level of rogue for a little tactical damage and the ability to search for traps. Speaking of Varisian feats, the Varisian tatoo 3/day spells will lose a lot of punch when PRPG characters start having free cantrips. (I rarely have a chance to use those 3 acid splashes anyway from the conjuration one).

Anyway, it's fun. We just got past the "scarecrows," which was inventive and well written. We haven't figured out what that key goes to yet...ugh.

My DM has complained that in the first module and in this one, that some numbered places on the maps don't seem to have corresponding text areas in the section, and sometimes the text box for that number is somewhere else where she didn't think to look for it. So I don't know exactly what that is all about. A couple times the module uses a monster that doesn't have a stat block included and it's not a standard creature. (I think that only happened once really, unless you count the dread ghoul or whatever that guy was).

Can't wait until this Saturday to play another installment. My one friend is this douchey CN ranger that we always have to deal with. I always end up being that keep-the-party-together-guy, no matter what I'm playing; It gets tiring sometimes. (Rest of party: NG dwarven shoanti-raised barbarian, CN sorcerer, and NG Cleric of that angelic lady- goddess.)

Liberty's Edge

Richard Pett wrote:
Twizz wrote:
Lisa Stevens wrote:

We are putting the final touches on a reprint of #2, and once we give the go ahead to the printer, it will take about 6 weeks to get here. I expect that we will give that go ahead this coming week.

-Lisa

I can't believe this book is $50.00 on the secondary market.

Since your company is supporting 3.5. I'm also gonna carry some 3.5 material in my retail store. So I went to restock on all the Pathfinder Runelord series. Only to discover #2 is out of print.
Makes it hard to carry the whole line when one issue is out of print.

Plz give the go ahead at the printer. Summer is coming and retailers need this on our shelves.

$50 - gosh!

Niiiiice. ;)

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