Your Take on Remastered?


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RaptorJesues wrote:


Yeah, I presumed that since basically everyone agreed with me on that specific post and that members of the staff actually took time to answer, they would have got the hint and do something about the lance. Showed me.

Players are not the only people who can't see the forest for the trees.


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My take on the Remaster Core 1 and GM Core?

Rushed, full of errors, conflicting text, and somehow made things worse than they were that specifically stated they were trying to improve ex. Talismans.

My reaction the Remaster?

I will no longer buy physical rule books, only pdfs. There was 4 printings of the CRB already in a few short years. I foresee at least that much if not more for PC1,2 GM Core. I will only be buying physical books of lore and world books now. Which is sad because I'm probably one of the very few people that even made it worthwhile for the local game shop to even stock them anymore.


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Orikkro wrote:
There was 4 printings of the CRB already in a few short years...

You do realize that 4 printings is not because of errors/errata, but are because of sales and running out of inventory, don't you? Reprinting just also happens to be a good time to incorporate error fixes and errata.


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Orikkro wrote:
There was 4 printings of the CRB already in a few short years. I foresee at least that much if not more for PC1,2 GM Core.

I'm not sure what you gain by only buying PDFs. They are not updated any more frequently than the physical books. And they have all the same errors as the physical books.

As Pixel Popper said, the only time those PDFs will get updated is when Paizo sells out of the physical inventory and needs to print more.

The 'rush job' was not anything Paizo had a choice in. They couldn't risk reprinting any books that had OGL material. If they hadn't rushed the process, there wouldn't have been any rulebooks to sell until next year.


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The advantage of buying the PDFs is that when they update the book with errata or other changes for a new printing, Paizo will automatically update the PDF to the current version (or rather, having bought the PDF you are entitled to download the up to date version.)

They don't do this with physical books, obviously, because that would be impossible.


Dancing Wind wrote:
Orikkro wrote:
There was 4 printings of the CRB already in a few short years. I foresee at least that much if not more for PC1,2 GM Core.

I'm not sure what you gain by only buying PDFs. They are not updated any more frequently than the physical books. And they have all the same errors as the physical books.

As Pixel Popper said, the only time those PDFs will get updated is when Paizo sells out of the physical inventory and needs to print more.

The 'rush job' was not anything Paizo had a choice in. They couldn't risk reprinting any books that had OGL material. If they hadn't rushed the process, there wouldn't have been any rulebooks to sell until next year.

Paizo also has said they want to decouple Errata from new print runs moving forward so you'll get updates faster with a PDF version.


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3-Body Problem wrote:
Dancing Wind wrote:
Orikkro wrote:
There was 4 printings of the CRB already in a few short years. I foresee at least that much if not more for PC1,2 GM Core.

I'm not sure what you gain by only buying PDFs. They are not updated any more frequently than the physical books. And they have all the same errors as the physical books.

As Pixel Popper said, the only time those PDFs will get updated is when Paizo sells out of the physical inventory and needs to print more.

The 'rush job' was not anything Paizo had a choice in. They couldn't risk reprinting any books that had OGL material. If they hadn't rushed the process, there wouldn't have been any rulebooks to sell until next year.

Paizo also has said they want to decouple Errata from new print runs moving forward so you'll get updates faster with a PDF version.

They will release errata more often, but not update the PDFs unless there is an actual print run to go along with it. They didn’t say they would be doing all the layout work again everytime new errata dropped.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:

The advantage of buying the PDFs is that when they update the book with errata or other changes for a new printing, Paizo will automatically update the PDF to the current version (or rather, having bought the PDF you are entitled to download the up to date version.)

They don't do this with physical books, obviously, because that would be impossible.

Not impossible, but it would quickly drive Paizo into bankruptcy.

The upside to only buying pdfs is that you would spend less in the log run, at least at current prices. The downside is that it would be up to you to make sure you don’t miss any.


breithauptclan wrote:
Magical Trickster at level 4

There's also the thing they haven't reprinted this feat at all. I don't know what this means. I also don't know if what we get for classes in PC1 is final, and there wouldn't be anything else in PC2 (but that would be logical if the aim was to consolidate class material in one book for each class).

We still can use the old feat, but well...
I had a eldrich trickster concept for pfs. Now I guess ancient elf is the only way...


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Errenor wrote:
breithauptclan wrote:
Magical Trickster at level 4

There's also the thing they haven't reprinted this feat at all. I don't know what this means. I also don't know if what we get for classes in PC1 is final, and there wouldn't be anything else in PC2 (but that would be logical if the aim was to consolidate class material in one book for each class).

We still can use the old feat, but well...
I had a eldrich trickster concept for pfs. Now I guess ancient elf is the only way...

Pretty sure you can still use the Eldritch Trickster racket in PFS.


Captain Morgan wrote:
Errenor wrote:
breithauptclan wrote:
Magical Trickster at level 4

There's also the thing they haven't reprinted this feat at all. I don't know what this means. I also don't know if what we get for classes in PC1 is final, and there wouldn't be anything else in PC2 (but that would be logical if the aim was to consolidate class material in one book for each class).

We still can use the old feat, but well...
I had a eldrich trickster concept for pfs. Now I guess ancient elf is the only way...
Pretty sure you can still use the Eldritch Trickster racket in PFS.

Only on old characters. Until they rebuild. 'Eldritch Trickster' is a racket, which means it's 'class chassis'. Rogue is remastered without this racket. This means you must not use it on new characters.


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Dancing Wind wrote:
Orikkro wrote:
There was 4 printings of the CRB already in a few short years. I foresee at least that much if not more for PC1,2 GM Core.
I'm not sure what you gain by only buying PDFs. They are not updated any more frequently than the physical books. And they have all the same errors as the physical books.

You're kidding, right? There's plenty of reason to sticking to PDFs. If I spend a standard amount on a PDF, but I could spend three times as much on a physical book, and I only use it for convenient rules reference, it's quite clear which is the more economically sound choice from a consumer perspective. Sometimes people don't want to spend triple the value for a physical copy of something when an electronic version does the same thing, except probably better in a lot of cases, such as searching for certain things; a glossary only does so much.

Also, while it is true that PDFs don't get updated any more frequently than physical copies, when PDFs do get updated, you can simply go download the new version and delete the old one if the concern is you want to play with updated rules, no added cost, and very little hassle. With books, you have to go out and spend another 60+ dollars (or whatever it costs in whichever country you hail from) to get an updated version, and then you're left with an outdated, not-as-helpful book that you can either scrap or use as campfire accelerant. Or, you can go and physically alter the book yourself with the changes, but it becomes tedious after awhile, and you can easily miss things, meaning it might not be as accurate compared to going out and actually buying an old printing instead, and having to physically alter them does affect their resale value if you're wanting to sell them back (to a collector, for example).

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