paizo.com Recent Posts by master arminaspaizo.com Recent Posts by master arminas2017-01-05T21:26:30Z2017-01-05T21:26:30ZRe: Forums: Conversions: The Warlock: A Conversion for Pathfindermaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2n49i&page=2?The-Warlock-A-Conversion-for-Pathfinder#712015-09-11T15:45:57Z2015-09-11T15:45:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Slimmy wrote:</div><blockquote> Really like what you have done here. Has it been playtested already ? Has anyone already played this warlock ? (Thinking about talking my gm into accepting it) </blockquote><p>A number of people. You might want to see the final version, though, which includes a google document. <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2noz9?Master-Arminass-Revised-Warlock-for-the#1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>
<p>MA</p>Slimmy wrote:Really like what you have done here. Has it been playtested already ? Has anyone already played this warlock ? (Thinking about talking my gm into accepting it)
A number of people. You might want to see the final version, though, which includes a google document. HERE MAmaster arminas2015-09-11T15:45:57ZRe: Forums: Conversions: Master Arminas's Revised Warlock for the Pathfinder RPG (Finished)master arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2noz9&page=3?Master-Arminass-Revised-Warlock-for-the#1182015-08-14T01:29:29Z2015-08-14T01:29:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Carthienes wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Thankyou very much - this is an interesting conversion, and I shall enjoy running with the idea.
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That said, however, brace yourself. I have been told that I am a natural Devil's Advocate who can find fault with perfection. I am certainly a hard marker - even on myself - so please do not take offence. Overall, this strikes me as a fairly well balanced class. Specifically...</p>
<p>. . . </p>
<p>That is what I have for now, Master Arminas. I hope I have not offended. </p>
<p>Carthienes. </blockquote><p>Certainly not, Carthienes. Sorry I've been away from this thread for so long, but work has been rather hectic. I am going to reply to your points, but it may be a few days. But I do not mind (in the least!) constructive criticisms.
<p>I do hope that you enjoy the class.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Wynter Ignatius wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Saying thank you seems too little for the work you have done here, so I will simply bow and borrow this for my Pathfinder world as it was one of the classes I was saddened to not see converted over (second being the Scout, simple as it may be) to Pathfinder. I only made a cursory glance at it but with all the comments I see it seems to be well designed and balanced based on it's role within the party.</p>
<p>People often forget that if a class carries a stigma with it, you need to role-play that out in game for those that walk into places and announce "look at me, I'm an all powerful Warlock, fear me" every place they go.</p>
<p>In my world, most all arcane classes that do not use a spellbook carry a stigma with them as you can't take their power away from them - Bards receive the least stigma while Sorcerers and Witches (even if their power can be taken away) are actively hunted by a nation of human wizards.</p>
<p>Amazing work here and please, keep it up. </blockquote><p>You are most welcome, Wynter Ignatius. I get where you coming from with the 'stigma' of being a Warlock—and that is something I make sure MY players understand from the get-go. To be a Warlock means you aren't going to be trusted, you are liable to get knifed in a tavern, you are going to have people try and cheat you, steal from you, put you on trial (for crimes you haven't done!), and generally look upon you as an abomination.
<p>BUT, I also let my players know that their actions can (slowly) change people's perceptions and bias over time. </p>
<p>Anyway, I'm glad that you enjoyed it and I hope that you have a good time playing the class.</p>
<p>MA</p>Carthienes wrote:Thankyou very much - this is an interesting conversion, and I shall enjoy running with the idea.
That said, however, brace yourself. I have been told that I am a natural Devil's Advocate who can find fault with perfection. I am certainly a hard marker - even on myself - so please do not take offence. Overall, this strikes me as a fairly well balanced class. Specifically.... . .
That is what I have for now, Master Arminas. I hope I have not offended.
Carthienes.
Certainly...master arminas2015-08-14T01:29:29ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Underwhelmed with Unchained Monkmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2spo1?Underwhelmed-with-Unchained-Monk#242015-08-01T05:11:55Z2015-08-01T05:11:55Z<p>Dotting for later comment.</p>
<p>MA</p>Dotting for later comment.
MAmaster arminas2015-08-01T05:11:55ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: What is everyone's fascination with...master arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sbnx&page=3?What-is-everyones-fascination-with#1162015-06-04T03:16:00Z2015-06-04T03:16:00Z<p>When I run a game where we roll, I have the players each roll four complete set of stats . . . then they can pick one.</p>
<p><span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 3, 5) = 13</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 4, 4) = 20</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (2, 1, 2, 3) = 8</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (5, 2, 3, 3) = 13</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (4, 3, 4, 2) = 13</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (2, 3, 6, 3) = 14</span></p>
<p>Stat Array #1: 12, 16, 7, 11, 11, 12 (11 point buy)</p>
<p><span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (1, 3, 2, 5) = 11</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 3, 1) = 11</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 3, 1) = 9</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 2, 6) = 12</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 3, 5) = 14</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 4, 2) = 16</span></p>
<p>Stat Array #2: 10, 10, 8, 10, 12, 14 (4 point buy)</p>
<p><span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (3, 4, 2, 3) = 12</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (4, 4, 2, 3) = 13</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (2, 6, 1, 4) = 13</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (3, 4, 6, 2) = 15</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (2, 3, 5, 3) = 13</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 3, 4) = 13</span></p>
<p>Stat Array #3: 10, 11, 12, 13, 11, 10 (7 point buy)</p>
<p><span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 5, 1) = 17</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 2, 1) = 13</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (2, 6, 5, 2) = 15</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 3, 3) = 14</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 3, 1) = 11</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice">4d6 ⇒ (4, 3, 2, 4) = 13</span></p>
<p>Stat Array #4: 16, 12, 13, 11, 10, 11 (16 point buy)</p>
<p>Usually gives them at least ONE set of (good enough) stats that the player feels like he can play.</p>
<p>MA</p>When I run a game where we roll, I have the players each roll four complete set of stats . . . then they can pick one.
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
Stat Array #1: 12, 16, 7, 11, 11, 12 (11 point buy)
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
Stat Array #2: 10, 10, 8, 10, 12, 14 (4 point buy)
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]
[dice]4d6[/dice]...master arminas2015-06-04T03:16:00ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: [Unchained] Unchaining the Unchained Monkmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s8cy&page=3?Unchained-Unchaining-the-Unchained-Monk#1062015-05-31T20:26:19Z2015-05-31T20:26:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">AndIMustMask wrote:</div><blockquote> (bruh, dont link to a doc and then dump the contents of the doc) </blockquote><p>Usually, when I post one of these, I get asked for a separate link. I just went ahead and posted it here so that folks could read it AND gave that separate link before anyone could ask me for it.
<p>Sorry if it annoys you.</p>
<p>MA</p>AndIMustMask wrote:(bruh, dont link to a doc and then dump the contents of the doc)
Usually, when I post one of these, I get asked for a separate link. I just went ahead and posted it here so that folks could read it AND gave that separate link before anyone could ask me for it. Sorry if it annoys you.
MAmaster arminas2015-05-31T20:26:19ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: [Unchained] Unchaining the Unchained Monkmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s8cy&page=3?Unchained-Unchaining-the-Unchained-Monk#1042015-05-31T20:30:45Z2015-05-30T23:00:36Z<p><span class=messageboard-bigger><b>Master Arminas’s Unchained Monk</b></span></p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>Master Arminas’s Unchained Monk
[Spoiler omitted]master arminas2015-05-30T23:00:36ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: [Unchained] Unchaining the Unchained Monkmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s8cy&page=3?Unchained-Unchaining-the-Unchained-Monk#1032015-05-30T22:37:19Z2015-05-30T22:37:19Z<p>Okay. I had a chance to look over it . . . not bad. Not <i>exactly</i> what I would have done, but then again, nothing ever is! :) It does address many of the issues. Good job, once again, but I think I'll share my own version as well.</p>
<p><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Aj_8JGi8VyPZzZaR-JVcOlDi_JkoUOfrd-ZZAyzhoM/edit" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Master Arminas's Unchained Monk</a>.</p>
<p>MA</p>Okay. I had a chance to look over it . . . not bad. Not exactly what I would have done, but then again, nothing ever is! :) It does address many of the issues. Good job, once again, but I think I'll share my own version as well.
Master Arminas's Unchained Monk.
MAmaster arminas2015-05-30T22:37:19ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: [Unchained] Unchaining the Unchained Monkmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s8cy&page=3?Unchained-Unchaining-the-Unchained-Monk#1012015-05-30T18:09:32Z2015-05-30T18:09:32Z<p>Dotting for later comment.</p>
<p>MA</p>Dotting for later comment.
MAmaster arminas2015-05-30T18:09:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=30?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#14942015-05-09T16:59:56Z2015-05-09T16:59:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Atarlost wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Lemmy wrote:</div><blockquote>In the end... Unchained Monk is slightly better than old Monk... And still not as effective as a Barbarian or any spell-casting class in the game...</blockquote>I have my doubts that it's better than the old monk. It's certainly not a better monk. There were three things the monk absolutely needed to not give up to still call himself a monk: <b>some sort of unarmed strike damage scaling</b>, and the will and reflex saves. </blockquote><p>Whoa. <i>Whoa</i>!
<p>I haven't (yet) got the book, but the Unchained Monk doesn't have increased damage die (and a scaling progression as he advances in level) for a <b><i>Monk's</i></b> unarmed strikes?!?</p>
<p>Seriously? Tell me that you misread that.</p>
<p>MA</p>Atarlost wrote:Lemmy wrote:In the end... Unchained Monk is slightly better than old Monk... And still not as effective as a Barbarian or any spell-casting class in the game...
I have my doubts that it's better than the old monk. It's certainly not a better monk. There were three things the monk absolutely needed to not give up to still call himself a monk: some sort of unarmed strike damage scaling, and the will and reflex saves. Whoa. Whoa! I haven't (yet) got the book, but the Unchained...master arminas2015-05-09T16:59:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=29?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#14092015-05-06T04:14:00Z2015-05-06T04:14:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">JonathonWilder wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Well seems I did get in a bit of trouble, since my posts were deleted. Though honestly I wouldn't call posting a single class in full with its features 'large blocks of content'. More, it had its purpose, allowing for a stronger discussion without confusion or incomplete information about what is being talked about.</p>
<p>... yet I guess I should be glad I wasn't penalized in any way. Admittingly, I don't even know if the site has a penalty system in place. </blockquote><p>Sorry, man. I hope that my request did not get you in hot water with the moderators.
<p>MA</p>JonathonWilder wrote:Well seems I did get in a bit of trouble, since my posts were deleted. Though honestly I wouldn't call posting a single class in full with its features 'large blocks of content'. More, it had its purpose, allowing for a stronger discussion without confusion or incomplete information about what is being talked about.
... yet I guess I should be glad I wasn't penalized in any way. Admittingly, I don't even know if the site has a penalty system in place.
Sorry, man. I hope...master arminas2015-05-06T04:14:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=27?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#13492015-05-05T16:25:32Z2015-05-05T16:25:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Joe M. wrote:</div><blockquote><p> "Furthermore, there is no longer any provision for substituting disarm, sunder, and trip in place of an attack."</p>
<p>No need for special text. Each of these maneuvers can be taken in place of a melee attack, period.</p>
<p>"You can attempt to disarm your opponent in place of a melee attack."</p>
<p>"You can attempt to trip your opponent in place of a melee attack."</p>
<p>"You can attempt to sunder an item held or worn by your opponent as part of an attack action in place of a melee attack." </blockquote><p>True, but the Core Monk had that proviso baked in . . . why change it and risk having it misunderstood?
<p>MA</p>Joe M. wrote:"Furthermore, there is no longer any provision for substituting disarm, sunder, and trip in place of an attack."
No need for special text. Each of these maneuvers can be taken in place of a melee attack, period.
"You can attempt to disarm your opponent in place of a melee attack."
"You can attempt to trip your opponent in place of a melee attack."
"You can attempt to sunder an item held or worn by your opponent as part of an attack action in place of a melee attack."
True,...master arminas2015-05-05T16:25:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=27?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#13472015-05-10T13:27:46Z2015-05-05T15:56:24Z<p>Okay, then. I’ve finally had a chance to go over the class in detail (thanks to Jonathon Wilder, above). There are good things . . . and there are not-so-good things.</p>
<p>First off, let’s get the elephant in the room out of the way. I <i><b>do not like</i></b> the diminished Will save. I understand why the developers felt it was necessary, but frankly it deprives the Monk of one of its core abilities and (even worse, in my own humble opinion) leaves a gaping hole between the descriptive monk text and what you actually get.</p>
<p>I do like the increase in BAB; rather than the ‘virtual’ BAB of the Core Monk, this does make it easier to make standard-action attacks and Attacks of Opportunity without suffering from a lower attack bonus; plus the ability to take (some) combat feats earlier is quite good. </p>
<p>And I do indeed understand the reasoning behind the increase to a d10 hit die. <i>However</i> (and y’all knew this was coming), I think that perhaps Paizo missed an opportunity here to do something different. Personally, I would have kept the d8, making the Unchained Monk a little more ‘fragile’ than the Core Fighter/Ranger/Paladin (much less the Barbarian) as a trade-off for his movement and fast striking (i.e., multiple attacks on a full-attack) abilities. Still, we are just talking about an average of 1 hit point per level, so it isn’t something I can really complain about (but I will mention it).</p>
<p>Onwards and upwards!</p>
<p><b>Class Skills</b>: Unchanged. I would have liked to see Diplomacy or Linguistics added to the class list (both being thematic for monastic characters), but nothing really to gripe about (or to celebrate!).</p>
<p><b>Weapon and Armor Proficiency</b>: Adding all weapons with <i>monk</i> special quality was nice. Otherwise unchanged from the Core class.</p>
<p><b>AC Bonus</b>: Unchanged. As a side-note, the Unchained Monk’s CMD just got about a five point <i>boost</i> over all 20 levels, making it <i>far</i> harder for someone to use a combat maneuver against a monk! I don’t know if this was intentional or not, but good luck trying to trip or grapple an Unchained Monk!</p>
<p><b>Bonus Feat</b>: Unchanged. Once again, I feel that there was a missed opportunity to add to the Feat List. As it is, the list is very limited and there are still regrettable . . . <i>gaps</i> which make it difficult to get certain feats later on (Greater Trip and Greater Grapple, for example).</p>
<p><b>Flurry of Blows</b>: Ahhh. Now <i>this</i> I can say, with no exaggeration, is a most welcome and valued change. First of all, there is no longer a -2 penalty (across the board) on Flurry attacks. Second, it is finally separated from Two-Weapon Fighting in both design and execution (and cannot stack with TWF). Third, I like the concept of returning to the 3.5 version of Flurry (with all bonus attacks at the Monk’s highest BAB with an additional attack coming in at 11th level).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I have some questions as well!</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>First off, right off the bat, it kind of jumps out at me that this is missing (from the Core Monk): </p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote> A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands. A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows. A monk cannot use any weapon other than an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows. A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks.</blockquote><p>There has been a good deal of rejoicing over that Unchained Monk’s can now get 1.5x Str-mod in damage with Two-Handed Weapons . . . but by the text, it also appears that if a Monk is wielding two weapons, he gets 0.5x Str-mod with his off-hand weapon as well. Furthermore, there is no longer any provision for substituting disarm, sunder, and trip in place of an attack. The natural weapons part is pretty well covered by the “does not gain any additional attacks beyond what’s already granted by the flurry for doing so” line in the Unchained Monk.
<p>Some will argue that we don’t need that bit of text, because the off-hand is addressed in <b>Unarmed Strikes</b> (see below) . . . unfortunately that applies <i>ONLY</i> to unarmed strikes and NOT with weapons.</p>
<p>Was this deliberate? Or an oversight? If deliberate, it pushes the Unchained Monk towards using a single, larger weapon (i.e., temple sword, quarterstaff, etc.) rather than two smaller, lighter weapons.</p>
<p><b>Stunning Fist</b>: Unchanged.</p>
<p><b>Unarmed Strike</b>: Mostly unchanged. But one question: does the Unchained Monk’s unarmed damage increase at the same rate as the Core Monk? That information wasn’t posted and the text about differing damage for Small and Large sized monks was removed.</p>
<p><b>Evasion</b>: Unchanged.</p>
<p><b>Fast Movement</b>: Unchanged.</p>
<p><b><i>Ki</i> Pool</b>: Moved from 4th level to 3rd. And lost two of the basic <i>ki</i> abilities (+4 AC dodge bonus and +20’ movement) to the new <b><i>Ki</i> Powers</b> (see below). Many folks have already addressed the rather small size of the pool, so I’m not going to beat a dead horse here. Moving on.</p>
<p><b><i>Ki</i> Powers</b>: Ah, our first <i>NEW</i> ability. I am going to explore the various Powers here in detail, so bear with me. But first, the basics. The <i>Ki</i> Powers are much like Rage Powers or Rogue Talents in that the Unchained Monk is able to select one at 4th level, then one additional every even level thereafter (6th, 8th, etc.). This gives the Unchained Monk a total of NINE <i>Ki</i> Powers by 20th level.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many of the former abilities were turned into selectable <i>Ki</i> Powers. Including two basic uses of the <i>Ki</i> Pool (see above). If you are attempting to recreate the Core Monk by selecting the powers it used to have . . . you can’t. There are TEN that were removed (including the +4 dodge bonus to AC and the speed increase) and you only have NINE slots.</p>
<p>Not good.</p>
<p>Also, the expenditure cost of some of these is really, <i>really</i>, <i><b>REALLY</i></b> freaking HIGH. Which combined with the shallowness of the <i>Ki</i> Pool rather limits the Unchained Monk’s options.</p>
<p><i>Abundant Step</i>: Unchanged from the Core Monk, <i>BUT</i> able to get it four levels earlier (8th instead of 12th).</p>
<p><i>Cobra Breath</i>: A new power and one that turns being poisoned into an offensive ability. Some people will like it; for myself, it is kind of <i>meh</i>. One of the few that doesn’t cost additional <i>ki</i>.</p>
<p><i>Diamond Body</i>: Ouch. The original Diamond Body was total immunity to ALL poisons and was always on. Yes, you can now get it three levels early (8th instead of 11th), but it affects only ONE toxin and you have to spend <i>ki</i> (as a standard action) in order to <i>have a chance</i> to neutralize that poison (as per the spell). I do not like this change, not one little bit.</p>
<p><i>Diamond Mind</i>: An excellent power. Unfortunately, it doesn’t quite make up for the decreased Will save (see above).</p>
<p><i>Diamond Resilience</i>: DR/- is always good. And this lasts for 1 minute and scales. Pretty slowly, but it scales. I’ll give it a thumb’s up.</p>
<p><i>Diamond Soul</i>. Spell resistance. Either the bane of a Core Monk or a loved power (depending on your game). You can get this one early (by one level, 12th vs. 13th), but now you have to spend 2 <i>ki</i> (and a swift action) to activate for a number of rounds equal to your monk level. I’m torn. The point cost is kinda high, but no longer having a barrier vs. spells your party casts on you is also good.</p>
<p><i>Elemental Fury</i>: What is this? Dragonball Z? It is not my cup of tea, but if you like having elemental damage on your unarmed strike, this is the power for you.</p>
<p><i>Elemental Burst</i>: Oh, and now we can do massive AoE energy damage (at 18th level) by spending <i>FOUR</i> points of <i>ki</i>. Not in my vision of the monk at all. But if it floats your boat . . . go for it.</p>
<p><i>Empty Body</i>: And wailing and gnashing of teeth began. There is apparently a typo which some folks have taken quite badly. They left out a line saying that you must be 16th level to select this power. Some folks apparently thought it would be appropriate to have <i>etherealness</i> at <b>4th</b>!! Otherwise the same as the Core Monk, just available early (16th vs. 19th).</p>
<p><i>Feather Balance</i>: I like it! Unfortunately, it is rather limited for selection as one of only NINE <i>ki</i> powers that you will ever receive.</p>
<p><i>Formless Mastery</i>: We’ve discussed this one <i>ad naseum</i>, already. Maybe it would have been good if you could still select Style feats (just not being in a Stance while using the Power) . . . but as is, I doubt ANYONE will take it. And there is another type, it should be available at 6th level not 7th.</p>
<p><i>Furious Defense</i>: The former AC boost from <i>Ki</i> Pool! However, it is now an <i>immediate action</i> (not swift), but lasts only until the end of your next turn. Sigh. I’d just have left it as part of the <i>ki</i> pool myself.</p>
<p><i>High Jump</i>: We used to get this one at 5th level for free. Now we have to pick it. Bummer.</p>
<p><i>Insightful Wisdom</i>: I do like this power. Being able to grant an ally the ability to reroll a missed attack or saving throw is pretty darned nifty! Unfortunately, it costs 2 <i>ki</i> every time you use it and it burns your immediate action.</p>
<p><i>Ki Blocker</i>: How often do you fight monks? Or ninjas? Are you REALLY going to spend one of your precious few <i>Ki</i> Powers on something that makes those guys have to pay slightly more <i>ki</i> for the next hour? And spend more and make magi and gunslingers and swashbucklers spend a extra point? I didn’t think so.</p>
<p><i>Ki Guardian</i>: Good concept . . . poor execution. The point cost is rather high (if you are protecting the whole party) and if you fail a SINGLE save, than YOU are affected as if you failed YOUR saving throw.</p>
<p><i>Ki Hurricane</i>: Rock you like a hurricane! Good concept. I like the idea, but the point cost is EXTREME. At 11th level, it will cost you FIVE points of <i>Ki</i> (SEVEN if you spend a point to gain an additional attack on your flurry) to move and attack with all of your flurry attacks!! And you will provoke AoO’s from moving!!</p>
<p><i>Ki Metabolism</i>: I like it. Very thematic and (for once) there is no exorbitant point cost. One question: there seems to be no UPPER limit on the amount of time one can spend in suspended animation . . . was this deliberate? A 4th level monk could (conceivably) hibernate for a thousand years (or a million)?</p>
<p><i>Ki Mount</i>: Monks have mounts now? Pass.</p>
<p><i>Ki Range</i>: Good power, although situational. Don’t like the point cost though; it should have been (in my opinion) “as long as you have at least 1 point remaining in your <i>ki</i> pool, you increase the range increment of any thrown monk weapon by 20 feet.” THAT would have been worth it.</p>
<p><i>Ki Visions</i>: Thematic. Not sure how useful, but thematic. The cost is rather high, though.</p>
<p><i>Ki Volley</i>: Who needs a ring of spell turning? Not this guy! Unfortunately, you have to be 16th level to select this (which is a shame because the cost is pretty much where I’d put it at 2 <i>ki</i> per use).</p>
<p><i>Light Steps</i>: Love this power! Excellent job, guys. </p>
<p><i>One Touch</i>: And this one is pretty good as well. As long as you have at least 1 point in your pool, you can make a standard action attack against any opponent as a touch attack, adding ½ your monk level in bonus damage!! Very nice. Even though it comes in late (12th level).</p>
<p><i>Qinggong Power</i>: Pick any existing <i>qinggong</i> power and it is yours. However, if the same power is repeated in Unchained, you must use the Unchained version!! <i>Barkskin</i> ahoy!</p>
<p><i>Quivering Palm</i>: Just why? Why the changes? You get it one level later, it takes a standard action, and you have to spend <i>FOUR</i> freaking <i>ki</i>!!</p>
<p><i>Slow Fall</i>: Another one that we all used to have. Sure, it is better (maybe, since you have to be adjacent to a wall (not vines, not trees, not anything similar, but a <i>wall</i>) the entire length of your fall of benefit. Oh, and you have to spend <i>ki</i>.</p>
<p><i>Sudden Speed</i>: Definitely better since it lasts for a minute and adds 30’ as opposed to 20’. Still would have rather left it as a basic part of the pool, though.</p>
<p><i>Water Sprint</i>: Another good one. I would have thought that <i>Feather Balance</i> would have been a pre-req . . . but maybe that is just me.</p>
<p><i>Wind Jump</i>: Very useful. I’m not one of these, “it’s fly but not really, so I’m mad as heck and not gonna take it anymore” people. For what you pay, it is a cool and useful power.</p>
<p><i>Wholeness of Body</i>: As opposed to this. Too little healing for too much cost, same as the Core Monk. Sigh.</p>
<p><b>Still Mind</b>: Unchanged from the Core Monk, but you get it a level later (4th instead of 3rd).</p>
<p><b>Purity of Body</b>: Unchanged from the Core Monk.</p>
<p><b>Style Strike</b>: And we have a <i>winner</i>!! I like this a lot. It adds thematic goodness and options to the monk and ensures that unarmed combat is always going to be the monk’s thing. I don’t like all of the Styles, but that is personal preference. Good job.</p>
<p><b>Improved Evasion</b>: Unchanged from the Core Monk.</p>
<p><b>Tongue of the Sun and Moon</b>: Dropped from 17th level to 13th level!! Otherwise unchanged from the Core Monk. I like this.</p>
<p><b>Timeless Body</b>: Unchanged from the Core Monk.</p>
<p><b>Flawless Mind</b>: If you fail a Will save, roll again and take the better result!! If it has a duration of 1 hour or more, than get a save every hour! It is great . . . but you don’t get it until 19th level.</p>
<p><b>Perfect Self</b>: Mostly unchanged. However, they added a <i>ki</i> recharge ability (1 point per 10 minutes of meditation . . . well, they say <i>calm</i>, but I think they meant meditation). Which is wonderful . . . if it didn’t show up at 20th level.</p>
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<p>Overall, I believe that I agree with Dabbler and the others. Combat <i>damage</i> got a boost (a big one), but (almost) everything else was weakened, resulting in a class of about the same general power level as the Core Monk. Some of the things that I consider basic thematic concepts were pushed away and the Unchained Monk is weaker for it.</p>
<p>For my own game, I am probably going to add back in the constant powers it used to have, change the d10 back to a d8, and give it a good Will save. I like the idea and the concept, but the devil is always in the details and man, there is a lot of deviltry at work at here! </p>
<p>Still, there are many things that I do like . . . scratch that, that I LOVE. The folks who worked on this had many original ideas (Style Strikes and some rather cool <i>Ki</i> Powers, for example) that deserve to be part and parcel of the class. It just . . . well, to me it seems more of a Brawler archetype (in places) than a Monk. </p>
<p>Which is disappointing.</p>
<p>But don’t worry, Paizo. I’m still going to buy the book when it arrives at my local bookstore.</p>
<p>MA</p>Okay, then. I’ve finally had a chance to go over the class in detail (thanks to Jonathon Wilder, above). There are good things . . . and there are not-so-good things.
First off, let’s get the elephant in the room out of the way. I do not like the diminished Will save. I understand why the developers felt it was necessary, but frankly it deprives the Monk of one of its core abilities and (even worse, in my own humble opinion) leaves a gaping hole between the descriptive monk text and what you...master arminas2015-05-05T15:56:24ZRe: Forums: Conversions: Master Arminas's Revised Warlock for the Pathfinder RPG (Finished)master arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2noz9&page=3?Master-Arminass-Revised-Warlock-for-the#1152015-05-02T16:48:42Z2015-05-02T16:48:42Z<p>Hi, London Duke! </p>
<p>Yes, I've seen the same problems crop up, which is why I am considering changing <i>Eldritch Hands</i> so that the Warlock can manipulate only a <i>single</i> object at a time (regardless of level).</p>
<p>MA</p>Hi, London Duke!
Yes, I've seen the same problems crop up, which is why I am considering changing Eldritch Hands so that the Warlock can manipulate only a single object at a time (regardless of level).
MAmaster arminas2015-05-02T16:48:42ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=24?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#11562015-05-01T05:51:55Z2015-05-01T05:51:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tels wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">AndIMustMask wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Tels wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">AndIMustMask wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">kyrt-ryder wrote:</div><blockquote> Money Advantage where? </blockquote><p>nowhere, since he still has to shell out dosh to cover his armor disparity until his WIS gets high enough to count (still needs it if he wants armor enchants even then), and freeing up the neck slot for the amulet of natural armor helps his money a bit and makes him not need to pay the class ability tax for barkskin.
<p>nice quality of life upgrade. </blockquote><p>Remember though, the Monk never gets disarmed for the king.
<p>#unarmedOP </blockquote><p>which he is paying for by not being able to wear armor/shield/medium load+ and lots of feats/abilities/items to make it competitive with simply using a weapon.
</p>
</blockquote>Yeah, I was being sarcastic about it. If I recall correctly, some of the Paizo staff have actually used that excuse in the past. </blockquote><p>SKR, I believe it was.
<p>MA</p>Tels wrote:AndIMustMask wrote: Tels wrote: AndIMustMask wrote: kyrt-ryder wrote: Money Advantage where?
nowhere, since he still has to shell out dosh to cover his armor disparity until his WIS gets high enough to count (still needs it if he wants armor enchants even then), and freeing up the neck slot for the amulet of natural armor helps his money a bit and makes him not need to pay the class ability tax for barkskin. nice quality of life upgrade. Remember though, the Monk never gets...master arminas2015-05-01T05:51:55ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=23?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#11222015-04-30T20:24:35Z2015-04-30T20:24:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">RJGrady wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote><br />
<br />
Empty Body (Su): A monk with this ki power gains the
<br />
ability to assume an ethereal state for 1 minute as though
<br />
using the spell etherealness, using his monk level as his caster
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level. Using this ability is a move action that consumes
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3 points from the monk’s ki pool. This ability affects only the
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monk and cannot be used to make other creatures ethereal.
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</blockquote>No minimum level or prerequisites? </blockquote>This was mentioned earlier. Jason has confirmed its supposed to be 18. </blockquote><p>Thought I would post this here, since some people were jumping onto the lack of minimums and were excited about taking Empty Body early. No, you have to wait until 18th level.
<p>MA</p>Mark Seifter wrote:RJGrady wrote: Quote:
Empty Body (Su): A monk with this ki power gains the
ability to assume an ethereal state for 1 minute as though
using the spell etherealness, using his monk level as his caster
level. Using this ability is a move action that consumes
3 points from the monk’s ki pool. This ability affects only the
monk and cannot be used to make other creatures ethereal.
No minimum level or prerequisites? This was mentioned earlier. Jason has confirmed its supposed to...master arminas2015-04-30T20:24:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=23?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#11052015-04-30T06:22:43Z2015-04-30T06:22:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">christos gurd wrote:</div><blockquote> with full bab i can see myself actually taking sensei or master of many styles for more than a dip now. </blockquote><p>Existing archetypes do not work with the Unchained Monk . . . both the book and Mark (earlier in this thread) have said so.
<p>MA</p>christos gurd wrote:with full bab i can see myself actually taking sensei or master of many styles for more than a dip now.
Existing archetypes do not work with the Unchained Monk . . . both the book and Mark (earlier in this thread) have said so. MAmaster arminas2015-04-30T06:22:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=21?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#10292015-04-28T03:20:58Z2015-04-28T03:20:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tels wrote:</div><blockquote> A lot of stuff.</blockquote><p>Ah, Tels, my man, I respect you and your opinion on these boards, and I do agree <i>IN GENERAL</i> that unarmed strikes fall into a 'no-man's land' of neither fish nor fowl.
<p>However, when talking about Monks in specific, there is a little clause under the 1st level Monk special ability <b>Unarmed Strike</b>:</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>A monk's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons.</blockquote><p>So, by RAW, both <i>magic fang</i> and <i>magic weapon</i> (and their greater versions) definitely apply to a <i>Monk's</i> unarmed strike. <i>Haste</i> (at least in my opinion and, to the best of my knowledge, that of the design team) as well.
<p>As would <i>keen edge</i>.</p>
<p>Now, I used the text from the existing Pathfinder Monk, since I do not yet have <i>Unchained</i>. </p>
<p>You are right that <i>haste</i> affects the wielder and not the weapon. However, I believe that is an oversight and almost NO ONE (in my experience) actually plays so stridently glued to the RAW as to enforce this interpretation.</p>
<p>MA</p>Tels wrote:A lot of stuff.
Ah, Tels, my man, I respect you and your opinion on these boards, and I do agree IN GENERAL that unarmed strikes fall into a 'no-man's land' of neither fish nor fowl. However, when talking about Monks in specific, there is a little clause under the 1st level Monk special ability Unarmed Strike:
Quote:A monk's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either...master arminas2015-04-28T03:20:58ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=18?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#8912015-04-27T12:55:39Z2015-04-23T01:59:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Charon's Little Helper wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">master arminas wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">David knott 242 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Dexion1619 wrote:</div><blockquote> I think that the Monk Variant Multi-Class gave unarmed strike (Fairly sure someone mentioned that)... but I don't know if it does anything to shore up you're defense.</blockquote><p>It gives you unarmed strike at 3rd level, as a monk 2 levels lower.
<p>It gives you a +3 dodge bonus to AC at 15th level, which of course is way too late to plan your build around.</p>
<p></blockquote>When your opponents attack in the dead of night when you are asleep and not wearing armor? </blockquote>No. That's why all of my armored characters have a chain shirt (with armor spikes) by level 3 at the latest. It's their PJs. </blockquote><p>Yeah, that is one rule that I (and my group) toss right out the window. You do NOT sleep in metal armor. Or studded leather. Much less anything with <i>armor spikes</i>. Same with swimming in plate . . . ain't gonna happen.
<p>MA</p>Charon's Little Helper wrote:master arminas wrote: David knott 242 wrote: Dexion1619 wrote: I think that the Monk Variant Multi-Class gave unarmed strike (Fairly sure someone mentioned that)... but I don't know if it does anything to shore up you're defense.
It gives you unarmed strike at 3rd level, as a monk 2 levels lower. It gives you a +3 dodge bonus to AC at 15th level, which of course is way too late to plan your build around.
When your opponents attack in the dead of night when you...master arminas2015-04-23T01:59:40ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=18?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#8892015-04-23T21:56:49Z2015-04-23T01:48:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">David knott 242 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Dexion1619 wrote:</div><blockquote> I think that the Monk Variant Multi-Class gave unarmed strike (Fairly sure someone mentioned that)... but I don't know if it does anything to shore up you're defense.</blockquote><p>It gives you unarmed strike at 3rd level, as a monk 2 levels lower.
<p>It gives you a +3 dodge bonus to AC at 15th level, which of course is way too late to plan your build around.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Guys, it isn't always about the builds. Haven't you ever played in a game where the party gets split up? When your opponents attack in the dead of night when you are asleep and not wearing armor? Been through a scenario when you don't have access to your weapons or magic items?
<p>I have. Plenty of times.</p>
<p>Being able to punch like a monk of just a few levels beneath yours, having flurry of blows, getting a +3 dodge bonus to AC, and gaining a <i>ki</i> pool are all good things for when the unexpected happens. And if I am reading these posts right, the VMC (variant multi-class) Monk doesn't require you to be lawful to gain those abilities.</p>
<p>MA</p>David knott 242 wrote:Dexion1619 wrote: I think that the Monk Variant Multi-Class gave unarmed strike (Fairly sure someone mentioned that)... but I don't know if it does anything to shore up you're defense.
It gives you unarmed strike at 3rd level, as a monk 2 levels lower. It gives you a +3 dodge bonus to AC at 15th level, which of course is way too late to plan your build around.
Guys, it isn't always about the builds. Haven't you ever played in a game where the party gets split up? When...master arminas2015-04-23T01:48:29ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=16?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#7932015-04-22T19:14:31Z2015-04-22T19:14:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">wraithstrike wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Ravingdork wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">master arminas wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Ravingdork wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">master arminas wrote:</div><blockquote>...why the text on Flurry of Blows was changed to allow for Two-Handed Weapons to gain 1.5x Str-bonus on damage?</blockquote><p>If you ruin this for the rest of us I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN.
<p>J/K</p>
<p>(But seriously, why question or risk messing up a positive change?) </blockquote><p>Because I want to know what the intent behind it was. The rationale of the change.
<p>:)</p>
<p>MA </blockquote>Just be sure to make it absolutely clear to the designers that you are not looking to have it changed, and I think we can still be friends. :P </blockquote><p>You know people are going to complain the a monk is better with weapons than when they are unarmed. Dragon Style feats and the amulet of natural attacks are not going to be needed as much.
<p>Personally I like it, and my answer would be to buff the monk's unarmed attacks than to nerf the weapon attacks if anything is done about it. </blockquote><p>I remember the old days of 1E, when the Monk only got those extra attacks (up to <i>FOUR</i>, which was huge!) with his 'open-hand attacks'. Use a weapon, and you went back to 1 attack per round, the same as every class in the PHB <i>except</i> the Fighter. But, in compensation, the 1E Monk also got to add his Monk Class level as bonus damage to any weapon attack (this did NOT include 'open-hand attacks', by the way).
<p>So, yeah. I'm cool with it and with the introduction of Style Strikes (which <i>cannot</i> be used with a weapon) it doesn't render UAS irrelevant.</p>
<p>I just want to know <i>why</i> the designers saw fit to make that change, especially if they were worried about the first few levels of the Monk being too good for dippers.</p>
<p>MA</p>wraithstrike wrote:Ravingdork wrote: master arminas wrote: Ravingdork wrote: master arminas wrote:...why the text on Flurry of Blows was changed to allow for Two-Handed Weapons to gain 1.5x Str-bonus on damage?
If you ruin this for the rest of us I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN. J/K
(But seriously, why question or risk messing up a positive change?) Because I want to know what the intent behind it was. The rationale of the change. :)
MA Just be sure to make it absolutely clear to the designers that...master arminas2015-04-22T19:14:31ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=16?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#7852015-04-22T15:43:59Z2015-04-22T15:43:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ravingdork wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">master arminas wrote:</div><blockquote>...why the text on Flurry of Blows was changed to allow for Two-Handed Weapons to gain 1.5x Str-bonus on damage?</blockquote><p>If you ruin this for the rest of us I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN.
<p>J/K</p>
<p>(But seriously, why question or risk messing up a positive change?) </blockquote><p>Because I want to know what the intent behind it was. The rationale of the change.
<p>:)</p>
<p>MA</p>Ravingdork wrote:master arminas wrote:...why the text on Flurry of Blows was changed to allow for Two-Handed Weapons to gain 1.5x Str-bonus on damage?
If you ruin this for the rest of us I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN. J/K
(But seriously, why question or risk messing up a positive change?) Because I want to know what the intent behind it was. The rationale of the change. :)
MAmaster arminas2015-04-22T15:43:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=16?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#7642015-04-22T05:18:22Z2015-04-22T05:18:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Arachnofiend wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">master arminas wrote:</div><blockquote>1. Can you offer any insight into why the text on Flurry of Blows was changed to allow for Two-Handed Weapons to gain 1.5x Str-bonus on damage? That one change seems, to me, to make other classes <i>WANT</i> to dip more in order to gain that extra bonus attack (at level 1). It also has the side effect of making two-handed monk weapons (quarterstaff, temple sword, etc.) overshadow (to some degree) unarmed strikes. Although since, to the best of my knowledge since I have not yet READ the Unchained Monk for myself, it does appear that Style Strikes are only available through unarmed attacks. Which is a mitigating factor for folks who play the Monk as a Class and not just a dip.</blockquote>You can't flurry if you're wearing armor, that alone prevents most classes from dipping Monk for the extra attack. </blockquote><p>Most, but not all. How about a shape-shifting druid? A barbarian (ala <i>Conan</i> of the movies) who isn't expecting heavy combat? A swashbuckling rogue? Or (heaven forbid) an unarmored Cleric?
<p>MA</p>Arachnofiend wrote:master arminas wrote:1. Can you offer any insight into why the text on Flurry of Blows was changed to allow for Two-Handed Weapons to gain 1.5x Str-bonus on damage? That one change seems, to me, to make other classes WANT to dip more in order to gain that extra bonus attack (at level 1). It also has the side effect of making two-handed monk weapons (quarterstaff, temple sword, etc.) overshadow (to some degree) unarmed strikes. Although since, to the best of my knowledge...master arminas2015-04-22T05:18:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=16?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#7622015-04-22T05:04:39Z2015-04-22T05:04:39Z<p>@ <b>Mark Seifter</b></p>
<p>A couple of questions:</p>
<p>1. Can you offer any insight into why the text on Flurry of Blows was changed to allow for Two-Handed Weapons to gain 1.5x Str-bonus on damage? That one change seems, to me, to make other classes <i>WANT</i> to dip more in order to gain that extra bonus attack (at level 1). It also has the side effect of making two-handed monk weapons (quarterstaff, temple sword, etc.) overshadow (to some degree) unarmed strikes. Although since, to the best of my knowledge since I have not yet READ the Unchained Monk for myself, it does appear that Style Strikes are only available through unarmed attacks. Which is a mitigating factor for folks who play the Monk as a Class and not just a dip.</p>
<p>2. Echoing Rynjin and Lemmy above, why the change to Quivering Palm? It used to work (or at least I thought it did) just like Stunning Fist in that you picked an attack, declared it a Quivering Palm, and had to hit and score damage (i.e., penetrate DR) for it to function. Sure, it can be used more than once per day now (if you have enough <i>ki</i> points, that is), but what was the discussions about changing it? Why was it changed?</p>
<p>And on the Diamond Body issue. I am an avid monk player and frankly, I would rather than on an Oracle Curse as a permanent disability than give up my immunity to <i>all</i> poison once gained. It was <i>that</i> good of an ability. </p>
<p>MA</p>@ Mark Seifter
A couple of questions:
1. Can you offer any insight into why the text on Flurry of Blows was changed to allow for Two-Handed Weapons to gain 1.5x Str-bonus on damage? That one change seems, to me, to make other classes WANT to dip more in order to gain that extra bonus attack (at level 1). It also has the side effect of making two-handed monk weapons (quarterstaff, temple sword, etc.) overshadow (to some degree) unarmed strikes. Although since, to the best of my knowledge...master arminas2015-04-22T05:04:39ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=12?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#5522015-04-21T05:26:43Z2015-04-21T05:26:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">master arminas wrote:</div><blockquote><p>We had this big (HUGE) blowup last year when it came down from on high that you couldn't flurry with a single weapon!</p>
<p>Jason reversed course on that and fixed a few problems at the time. Did it solve everything? No.</blockquote>Yeah, not flurrying with a single weapon was a sad time. It was more than a year ago by a fair amount. I was right there with you, since my hire was only last year in June (I was just Rogue Eidolon then instead of my current Unfettered Eidolon avatar). </blockquote><p>You are right. My god, has it really been <i>three years</i> since that little kerfuffle?
<p>MA</p>Mark Seifter wrote:master arminas wrote:We had this big (HUGE) blowup last year when it came down from on high that you couldn't flurry with a single weapon!
Jason reversed course on that and fixed a few problems at the time. Did it solve everything? No.
Yeah, not flurrying with a single weapon was a sad time. It was more than a year ago by a fair amount. I was right there with you, since my hire was only last year in June (I was just Rogue Eidolon then instead of my current Unfettered...master arminas2015-04-21T05:26:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=11?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#5492017-09-21T17:54:52Z2015-04-21T05:15:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Wait, which of the four of us is in love with the bard and the barbarian? This is actually the first time I've heard of that. I thought the general wisdom was that we were in love with the wizard and the arcanist?</p>
<p>As to the monk, if it was Reflex, then people would be complaining (rightly) that the evasion ability has become much weaker, since you get no use out of it if you fail a Reflex save. If it was Fortitude, it would be that a monk's body is perfected, a weapon, and that failed Fort saves can kill you or turn you stone. I know this because these are the discussions we had when Jason came in floating various options. We said all of these things, including the things on this thread about meditation and the mind when the option was Will. In the end, I'm glad he picked Will and not the others. Evasion still works, and the d10 hit dice means you can drop your Con and have the same number of hit points but Wisdom is still as important as ever, so mechanically I'd rather have weak Will progression and have a solid but not stellar Will instead of a horrifically low Fort (and thematically, weak Fort made the least sense of the three). So Jason definitely didn't make the decision flippantly; of all four classes, the monk took him the longest (he thought it would be the summoner) and went through the most iterations. </blockquote><p>The thing is, ever since 1E, the monk has represented mental fortitude. Back in 'ye olden days', remember that the monk specifically gained an ability that gave him a 'virtual' <b>18</b> in Intelligence (and this was the days of 3d6, no rerolls, in order) against Psionic Blast and other Telepathic attacks.
<p>Of course, with the ability score requirements (quite steep) and difficulty in play (duels to determine whether or not you could advance a level), few played a monk. "He's Got a Lot to Kick About", the Dragon Magazine article, expanded the monk by four levels, beefed him up to a d6, and revamped a number of other abilities. Plus delayed (by four levels) the whole having to fight to gain your title thing.</p>
<p>That class was far more playable (although it still required pretty good stat rolls . . . Str, Dex, and Wis of 15, Int 12, and Con 11, if I am remembering right) and it was the first monk class that I (personally) played when I started with D&D.</p>
<p>I've been through the 'death of the monk' 2nd Edition, then rejoiced when it came back near the end of 2E and shouted <i>hallelujah</i> when it appeared in 3E. The 3.5 version corrected a number of things, and then I switched to Pathfinder. </p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, Mark. I love the game. I'm not going to quit playing or buying the stuff Paizo puts out because I disagree with a few things they do with the monk. But it does seem (to me, perhaps to others) that folks in the company almost wish the monk didn't exist.</p>
<p>It breaks the rules and doesn't fit the mold. And you can't just put it in a single niche.</p>
<p>So it gets good things, and then those get 'revised' into <i>meh</i> things. We had this big (<i>HUGE</i>) blowup last year when it came down from on high that you couldn't flurry with a single weapon! </p>
<p>Jason reversed course on that and fixed a few problems at the time. Did it solve everything? No.</p>
<p>That is why we older gamers (older <i>fans</i>) were so excited about the Unchained Monk! We were hoping beyond hope that it would address MAD in some way, that it would fix the disconnect between moving fast (and hitting fast) and the gap between a standard attack and the (all-but-stationary) flurry of blows. That the monk, a <i>Core Class</i> would finally gain enough <i>ki</i> points in their pool to use their abilities as many rounds per day as a bard can rage or the bard can sing!</p>
<p>And some of those things Unchained does. Others it doesn't. But frankly, having the class give up what has been one of the CORE ABILITIES of the class since 1E to <i>pay</i> for a small increase in flurry (2 points), a moderate increase in standard attacks (5 points over 20 levels), and an average of 1 extra hit point per level (d10 HD vs. d8) . . . many of us are just literally face-palming.</p>
<p><i>Do they get it?</i> we ask? And yeah, some do. Some don't. But the published version makes it look like the 'some don't' won out . . . <i>again</i>.</p>
<p>I'll play the game. I'll buy the products. But I am so disappointed in the class. That is not to say there are NO good things. There are plenty of them. Just not enough to stand out against the bad . . . or the ugly.</p>
<p>MA</p>Mark Seifter wrote:Wait, which of the four of us is in love with the bard and the barbarian? This is actually the first time I've heard of that. I thought the general wisdom was that we were in love with the wizard and the arcanist?
As to the monk, if it was Reflex, then people would be complaining (rightly) that the evasion ability has become much weaker, since you get no use out of it if you fail a Reflex save. If it was Fortitude, it would be that a monk's body is perfected, a weapon, and...master arminas2015-04-21T05:15:34ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=8?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#3892015-08-16T15:19:02Z2015-04-20T03:42:06Z<p>Back on the poor Will save topic:</p>
<p>I think I know why the developers dropped it. It would have been too good of a dip in canon (not variant) multi-classing. Dip two levels of Unchained Monk and get +2 BAB, 2d10, multiple feats, and +3 to all Saves!! Yeah?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I think they missed an opportunity here. I mean how they kept Still Mind exactly the same (but pushed it back to 4th level):</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>A monk gains a +2 bonus on saving throws against enchantment spells and effects. </blockquote><p>If they had done this instead:
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote><p>A main gains +1 bonus on all will saving throws. When the character gains 7th level as a monk (and every three levels gained as a monk thereafter) this bonus increases by +1 to a maximum of +6 at 19th level. </p>
<p>In addition, a monk gains a +2 bonus on saving throws against enchantment spells and effects. This ability stacks with the bonus listed above.</blockquote><p>it might well have not sparked this debate. Four levels is a LOT for folks looking to dip. It would be a <i>delayed</i> good Will save, but that I could live with.
<p>And if doing that was <i>still</i> too much, then I wouldn't mind dropping the hit die back down to a d8. Making the class even less attractive as a dip.</p>
<p>Just my thoughts.</p>
<p>MA</p>Back on the poor Will save topic:
I think I know why the developers dropped it. It would have been too good of a dip in canon (not variant) multi-classing. Dip two levels of Unchained Monk and get +2 BAB, 2d10, multiple feats, and +3 to all Saves!! Yeah?
Unfortunately, I think they missed an opportunity here. I mean how they kept Still Mind exactly the same (but pushed it back to 4th level):
Quote:A monk gains a +2 bonus on saving throws against enchantment spells and effects.
If they had...master arminas2015-04-20T03:42:06ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Pathfinder Unchained (OGL)master arminashttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9c25/discuss&page=41?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Pathfinder-Unchained#20062015-04-21T03:46:13Z2015-04-19T15:20:38Z<p>Fighters, with Weapon Training, are able to fight well and fight <i>consistently</i> where other classes tend to have similar/greater/lesser bonuses only <i>situationally</i>. I agree, the fighter could use two more skill points. But, with everything else (Stamina, combat tricks, background skills) that is included in Unchained, I'd play a fighter (a straight fighter) in a heartbeat. </p>
<p>MA</p>Fighters, with Weapon Training, are able to fight well and fight consistently where other classes tend to have similar/greater/lesser bonuses only situationally. I agree, the fighter could use two more skill points. But, with everything else (Stamina, combat tricks, background skills) that is included in Unchained, I'd play a fighter (a straight fighter) in a heartbeat.
MAmaster arminas2015-04-19T15:20:38ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=7?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#3432015-04-19T04:56:19Z2015-04-19T04:56:19Z<p>Life imitates art . . . art imitates life.</p>
<p>Who knew?</p>
<p>MA</p>Life imitates art . . . art imitates life.
Who knew?
MAmaster arminas2015-04-19T04:56:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=7?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#3382015-04-19T03:51:55Z2015-04-19T03:51:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">rainzax wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Style Strikes:
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•• spoiler omitted •• </blockquote><p>Ranking them in the order I might take them:
<p>5th: Spin Kick
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9th: Flying Kick (I'd wait until 9th to get that +30' of speed . . . besides, it about this level that other classes get pounce).
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13th: Shattering Punch
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17th: Hammerblow</p>
<p>Defensive Spin is nifty, but kinda <i>meh</i>.
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Elbow Smash . . . if the second attack was lethal, then yeah. Nonlethal? No.
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Foot Stomp . . . could be useful, but not my style. Heh.
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Head-Butt. -8 for different creature type? Nope.
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Knockback Kick is okay. Can be great in the right situation. Unfortunately, how often does it come up that you want to move your opponent OUT of your reach?
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Leg Sweep is pretty good. I almost picked it, simply because I like doing damage and getting a free trip.</p>
<p>MA</p>rainzax wrote:Style Strikes:
** spoiler omitted **
Ranking them in the order I might take them: 5th: Spin Kick
9th: Flying Kick (I'd wait until 9th to get that +30' of speed . . . besides, it about this level that other classes get pounce).
13th: Shattering Punch
17th: Hammerblow
Defensive Spin is nifty, but kinda meh.
Elbow Smash . . . if the second attack was lethal, then yeah. Nonlethal? No.
Foot Stomp . . . could be useful, but not my style. Heh.
Head-Butt. -8 for different creature...master arminas2015-04-19T03:51:55ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=5?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#2402015-04-18T05:03:56Z2015-04-18T05:03:56Z<p>Just from the CRB (and not including the feats already on the Monk's bonus feat list):</p>
<p>Acrobatic, Acrobatic Steps, Agile Maneuvers, Alertness, Athletic, Blind Fight, Combat Expertise, Critical Focus, Defensive Combat Training, Diehard, Endurance, Extra Ki, Fleet, Greater Bull Rush, Greater Disarm, Greater Grapple, Greater Sunder, Greater Trip, Greater Weapon Focus, Improved Sunder, Lightning Stance, Lunge, Nimble Moves, Run, Stand Still, Step Up, Strike Back, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus, Whirlwind Attack, and Wind Stance.</p>
<p>Every one of those are thematic and fit the concept of the monk. </p>
<p>MA</p>Just from the CRB (and not including the feats already on the Monk's bonus feat list):
Acrobatic, Acrobatic Steps, Agile Maneuvers, Alertness, Athletic, Blind Fight, Combat Expertise, Critical Focus, Defensive Combat Training, Diehard, Endurance, Extra Ki, Fleet, Greater Bull Rush, Greater Disarm, Greater Grapple, Greater Sunder, Greater Trip, Greater Weapon Focus, Improved Sunder, Lightning Stance, Lunge, Nimble Moves, Run, Stand Still, Step Up, Strike Back, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Focus,...master arminas2015-04-18T05:03:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=5?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#2212015-04-18T03:22:05Z2015-04-18T03:22:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote> I'm curious how other people build monk AC. My 13 Dex, high Wis PFS monk usually had either the highest AC in the party or was very competitive with an extremely tanky other character (counting her qinggong <i>barkskin</i> power as active, as well as her <i>wand of mage armor</i>). Is that not usually the case for other people? I've seen a few posts here saying that they agree that monks usually have high AC and a few saying that monks usually have low. </blockquote><p>I prefer a 'balanced' approach when I build a Monk. I try to keep Str, Dex, and Wis equal (or nearly equal), trailed by Con and Int (once again roughly equal to each other) and last by poor, poor, Charisma.
<p>That has a lot of disadvantages, of course. I don't have the hitting power of a Monk that concentrates on Strength, or the extremely high AC of a Dex or Wis build (or the attack bonus of a Dexterity based Monk with Weapon Finesse). </p>
<p>However, while I'm not the 'best' at any one thing, I usually come in a pretty close second or third . . . and there are no glaring weaknesses.</p>
<p>I have seen some folks design monks that totally focused on Strength . . . at the expense of other stats. Those monks tend to have <i>very</i> low AC. Of course, they punch harder as well.</p>
<p>But yes, Mark, I agree with you. I've seen rather more Monks with high AC than low AC. </p>
<p>MA</p>Mark Seifter wrote:I'm curious how other people build monk AC. My 13 Dex, high Wis PFS monk usually had either the highest AC in the party or was very competitive with an extremely tanky other character (counting her qinggong barkskin power as active, as well as her wand of mage armor). Is that not usually the case for other people? I've seen a few posts here saying that they agree that monks usually have high AC and a few saying that monks usually have low.
I prefer a 'balanced' approach...master arminas2015-04-18T03:22:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=3?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#1152015-04-17T15:54:48Z2015-04-17T15:54:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shisumo wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Milo v3 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cerberus Seven wrote:</div><blockquote>Also, monks losing their movement (now called Sudden Speed) and... </blockquote>Wait, is fast movement no longer constantly active? </blockquote>He's referring specifically to the core monk's ki pool having the innate ability to buy extra movement. The Unchained monk's ki pool has only one innate ability: buying extra attacks on a flurry. The extra move and the AC bonus have both become ki powers. </blockquote><p>Yeah, I saw this last night in one of Cerebus Seven's posts. I <i>DO NOT</i> like this. It takes away from the Monk what he has been able to do since Pathfinder began. Sure, you can pick these as <i>ki</i> powers . . . but should they HAVE to pick?
<p>It is another nerf on a class that didn't need a nerf.</p>
<p>I'll still buy the book and the PDF, but I'm getting more and more disappointed hearing about the details.</p>
<p>MA</p>Shisumo wrote:Milo v3 wrote: Cerberus Seven wrote:Also, monks losing their movement (now called Sudden Speed) and...
Wait, is fast movement no longer constantly active? He's referring specifically to the core monk's ki pool having the innate ability to buy extra movement. The Unchained monk's ki pool has only one innate ability: buying extra attacks on a flurry. The extra move and the AC bonus have both become ki powers. Yeah, I saw this last night in one of Cerebus Seven's posts. I DO NOT...master arminas2015-04-17T15:54:48ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=2?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#932015-04-17T05:16:58Z2015-04-17T05:16:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Malwing wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Davor wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I actually think save-or-suck/lose/die spells shouldn't even exist, save for the absolute rarest of circumstances (obscenely powerful monsters). While enchantment spells can make for some interesting roleplay scenarios (I actually fully played my character that got charmed by a div), the fact is that anything that puts players out of the game does nothing but waste time.</p>
<p>Sure, spells like Hold Person are nice when the players use them, but when you take one guy out of a fight, that's quite a long time, possibly even hours depending on the encounter, where they literally showed up for no reason, and if you want to establish a reasonable world where the NPCs and PCs are on a fairly even playing field, you need to remove these kinds of spells as a whole from the table.</p>
<p>But then, I'm a bit of an extremist. </blockquote><p>I generally assume that the NPCs and PCs aren't on equal footing. Perhaps some BBEG will be very threatening but for the most part I put out CR<APL encounters in greater numbers if I have any say over it. Mostly because PCs are expected to fight multiple times per day; If there are enemies of comparable levels then the players are constantly subjected to the same kind of shenanigans that they dish out and while players love their power and broken abilities they do not always like it when those powers are turned against them in equal footing particularly when those powers take away any kind of control.
<p></blockquote><p>Don't use vampires much, I take it? I've played in games where one vamp managed to use party members to stalk and kill nearly all of the other players before we could figure our what was going on and take down (with nonlethal damage) our friend.
<p>MA</p>Malwing wrote:Davor wrote:I actually think save-or-suck/lose/die spells shouldn't even exist, save for the absolute rarest of circumstances (obscenely powerful monsters). While enchantment spells can make for some interesting roleplay scenarios (I actually fully played my character that got charmed by a div), the fact is that anything that puts players out of the game does nothing but waste time.
Sure, spells like Hold Person are nice when the players use them, but when you take one guy out...master arminas2015-04-17T05:16:58ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=2?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#882015-04-17T05:03:13Z2015-04-17T05:03:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rhedyn wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Tels wrote:</div><blockquote>Lowering the Monks Will save is, frankly, completely unacceptable, no matter what else changed. </blockquote><p>Well the one caveat is if they added new abilities to handle will save effects.
<p>I'm very satisfied with the 5e monk so I will explain what they do. They essentially only have a good reflex save until level 14 when all their saves become good. At level 7 they can use their "standard action" to remove the charmed or frighten condition from themselves (which in 5e cover nearly all effective will saves). They also get monk abilities to counter a lot of "fort" save effects.</p>
<p>That would be an example of how you do not need all perfect saves as long as actual class abilities fill the thematic niche.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>One of those new abilities only comes into play at 19th level, Rhedyn. The second applies only versus fear effects . . . retroactively. (I.e., you have to fail your save, become shaken, frightened, panicked, etc. and THEN you can spend an action (and a <i>ki</i> point) to regain control of yourself.
<p>MA</p>Rhedyn wrote:Tels wrote:Lowering the Monks Will save is, frankly, completely unacceptable, no matter what else changed.
Well the one caveat is if they added new abilities to handle will save effects. I'm very satisfied with the 5e monk so I will explain what they do. They essentially only have a good reflex save until level 14 when all their saves become good. At level 7 they can use their "standard action" to remove the charmed or frighten condition from themselves (which in 5e cover nearly...master arminas2015-04-17T05:03:13ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=2?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#672015-04-17T03:50:33Z2015-04-17T03:50:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quintain wrote:</div><blockquote><p> One change that I noticed (and I have the subscription) is that Improved unarmed strike for the Unchained Monk) is very specific (and the list is limited) on which limbs are used with unarmed strikes.</p>
<p>This has the consequence of limiting it's interaction with natural attacks so that natural attacks will necessarily prevent the use of unarmed strikes with common limbs similar to manufactured weapons.</p>
<p>Or at least that is how I interpret things. Getting the input of the designer on this item would clarify things. </blockquote><p>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Didn't we just go through this last year?
<p>MA</p>Quintain wrote:One change that I noticed (and I have the subscription) is that Improved unarmed strike for the Unchained Monk) is very specific (and the list is limited) on which limbs are used with unarmed strikes.
This has the consequence of limiting it's interaction with natural attacks so that natural attacks will necessarily prevent the use of unarmed strikes with common limbs similar to manufactured weapons.
Or at least that is how I interpret things. Getting the input of the designer...master arminas2015-04-17T03:50:33ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=2?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#612015-04-17T03:16:08Z2015-04-17T03:16:08Z<p>Here are a few of Robert Jordan's post from the other thread about monk abilities:</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Robert Jordan wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Protoman wrote:</div><blockquote> Anyone with the pdf willing to share what the unchained monk gets to boost will saves for peace of mind purposes? Robert Jordan mentioned something about a "Diamond Mind" ability few pages back. </blockquote>I mentioned it in a previous post but Diamond Mind lets the monk deal with fear, something the core monk can't do anything with besides make the save or fail it. Diamond Mind let's the monk spend 1 ki point as a swift action to suppress fear as per the Remove Fear spell. They can also spend 2 ki points to activate it even when frightened or panicked. Have to be level 6 monk to pick it. </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Robert Jordan wrote:</div><blockquote> The Unchained monk has a Ki power option that's just Qinggong Power, what it says on the tin grab a power from the Qinggong Monk choices for the appropriate level. </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Robert Jordan wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The major complaints I always saw in regards to the monk, now to be fair I didn't haunt those forums too often since I never had issues in any of my games, was that it had issues hitting and lacked maneuverability.
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The Unchained Monk helps both of those issues. Wisdom will still be a decent stat since it helps your AC and as has been pointed out a higher BaB and HD help reduce the dependency on two other stats.
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In regards to things that Will saves help against the two most common things that arise are Fear effects and Enchantment effects. Unchained Monk still gets Still Mind they just get it 1 level later (4 instead of 3).
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One of the new Ki Powers is Diamond Mind it lets you spend 1 Ki point as a swift action to suppress a Fear effect as per Remove Fear using your Monk level as the CL, you can spend 2 points and do it even when Frightened or Panicked. Gotta be a 6th level Monk to pick it.
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At level 19 Unchained gets Flawless Mind where you get to roll twice on every Will save and take the better of the two, in addition if the effect lasts longer than 1 hour then every hour you get to attempt the save again. I think that those do a pretty solid job of conveying the mental fortitude of monastic training. </blockquote><p>MAHere are a few of Robert Jordan's post from the other thread about monk abilities:
Robert Jordan wrote:Protoman wrote: Anyone with the pdf willing to share what the unchained monk gets to boost will saves for peace of mind purposes? Robert Jordan mentioned something about a "Diamond Mind" ability few pages back.
I mentioned it in a previous post but Diamond Mind lets the monk deal with fear, something the core monk can't do anything with besides make the save or fail it. Diamond Mind let's...master arminas2015-04-17T03:16:08ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8&page=2?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#522015-04-17T02:33:32Z2015-04-17T02:33:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rhedyn wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">master arminas wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Shisumo wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Mathmuse wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Does the Unchained Monk have any interesting new support abilities?
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</blockquote>A couple. Ki guardian allows the monk to spend ki points to make saving throws against AoE or multiple target effects on behalf of his allies; insightful wisdom allows the monk to spend 2 ki as an immediate action to allow an ally to reroll an attack or saving throw. </blockquote><p>I do like those . . . I'd like them better if the monk had more than 1/2 his monk levels + Wisdom bonus in his <i>ki</i> pool. :(
<p>MA </blockquote><p>Ah well monks can grab extra ki as a feat, humans can add 1/4 their level into ki as a favored class bonus.
<p>If you built the Monk like I do my magus, then you can have ridiculous amounts of Ki. My level 15 magus currently has 32 arcane pool points.</p>
<p>So my estimate is that with investment you can turn that ki pool into 1.75 level + wisdom. </blockquote><p>4th level: 2 + Wis
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5th level (Extra Ki): 2 + Wis + 2
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6th level: 3 + Wis + 2
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7th level (Extra Ki): 3 + Wis + 4
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8th level: 4 + Wis + 4
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9th level (Extra Ki): 4 + Wis + 6
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10th level: 5 + Wis + 6
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11th level (Extra Ki): 5 + Wis + 8
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12th level: 6 + Wis + 8
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13th level (Extra Ki): 6 + Wis + 10
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14th level: 7 + Wis + 10
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15th level (Extra Ki): 7 + Wis + 12
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16th level: 8 + Wis + 12
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17th level (Extra Ki): 8 + Wis + 14
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18th level: 9 + Wis + 14
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19th level (Extra Ki): 9 + Wis + 16
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20th level: 10 + Wis + 16</p>
<p>Golly gee wilikers! Look at that! By spending <i>EIGHT</i> feats all on Extra Ki, than by 20th level I have a total of 26 + Wisdom bonus in my <i>ki</i> pool! Good thing I don't really need those <i>eight</i> feats for combat or anything.</p>
<p>Human favored class? Add 1 point at 4th, 2 at 8th, 3 at 12th, 4 at 16th, and 5 at 20th. I'd rather have the extra skill points (20) or extra hit points (20).</p>
<p><b>EDIT</b>: And take a look at the <i>ki</i> point <i>cost</i>. Each round of combat, the monk is looking at spending at least 1 <i>ki</i> point (for an extra attack, extra movement, or a +4 dodge bonus). Now, he has to spend <i>ki</i> to slow fall. Wholeness of body? 2 <i>ki</i> for 1d8+level . . . man, I wish those <i>potions</i> weren't so darned expensive! 2 <i>ki</i> for Diamond Soul (spell resistance). 1 point to neutralize poison (as a standard action). 1 point to jump farther (but still limited by your movement). 2 points to use abundant step. Use empty body for 3 points. Use quivering palm (which used to cost NOTHING) for FOUR points.</p>
<p>The monk burns through <i>ki</i> like mad. He just does not have enough to last a typical adventuring day (unless your day consists of just one encounter).</p>
<p>MA</p>Rhedyn wrote:master arminas wrote: Shisumo wrote: Mathmuse wrote:Does the Unchained Monk have any interesting new support abilities?
A couple. Ki guardian allows the monk to spend ki points to make saving throws against AoE or multiple target effects on behalf of his allies; insightful wisdom allows the monk to spend 2 ki as an immediate action to allow an ally to reroll an attack or saving throw. I do like those . . . I'd like them better if the monk had more than 1/2 his monk levels +...master arminas2015-04-17T02:33:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#462015-04-17T01:49:13Z2015-04-17T01:49:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shisumo wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Mathmuse wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Does the Unchained Monk have any interesting new support abilities?
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</blockquote>A couple. Ki guardian allows the monk to spend ki points to make saving throws against AoE or multiple target effects on behalf of his allies; insightful wisdom allows the monk to spend 2 ki as an immediate action to allow an ally to reroll an attack or saving throw. </blockquote><p>I do like those . . . I'd like them better if the monk had more than 1/2 his monk levels + Wisdom bonus in his <i>ki</i> pool. :(
<p>MA</p>Shisumo wrote:Mathmuse wrote:Does the Unchained Monk have any interesting new support abilities?
A couple. Ki guardian allows the monk to spend ki points to make saving throws against AoE or multiple target effects on behalf of his allies; insightful wisdom allows the monk to spend 2 ki as an immediate action to allow an ally to reroll an attack or saving throw. I do like those . . . I'd like them better if the monk had more than 1/2 his monk levels + Wisdom bonus in his ki pool. :( MAmaster arminas2015-04-17T01:49:13ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#432015-04-17T01:31:37Z2015-04-17T01:31:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mathmuse wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I am curious about the Unchained Monk myself, but I won't see it until the hardcover comes out.</p>
<p>master arminas, remember years ago when we had lengthy discussions on these forums about what the monk should be? I learned then that I will not get the monk I wanted, because my views differed too much from the majority. Pathfinder roughly categorizes the character classes as full BAB martials, 3/4 BAB support, and 1/2 BAB spellcasters. The Core Rulebook monk is a 3/4 BAB martial, and most people wanted to correct that to full BAB martial, while I wanted a 3/4 BAB support.</p>
<p>Does the Unchained Monk have any interesting new support abilities?
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</blockquote><p>I remember. And I doubt (seriously doubt) I'm going to get the monk <i>I</i> want either. Don't get me wrong, the Unchained Monk has some good things (from what I've heard about it). But (and there is <i>always</i> a but), I also don't like some of things I'm hearing.
<p>MA</p>Mathmuse wrote:I am curious about the Unchained Monk myself, but I won't see it until the hardcover comes out.
master arminas, remember years ago when we had lengthy discussions on these forums about what the monk should be? I learned then that I will not get the monk I wanted, because my views differed too much from the majority. Pathfinder roughly categorizes the character classes as full BAB martials, 3/4 BAB support, and 1/2 BAB spellcasters. The Core Rulebook monk is a 3/4 BAB martial,...master arminas2015-04-17T01:31:37ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#142015-04-16T22:12:39Z2015-04-16T22:12:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Aleron wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Having read it over and discussed it with my group we all REALLY like it. <b>The new abilities are very thematic and lend themselves to roleplaying and descriptions.</b> Really cool and I can't wait to give it a try.</p>
<p>For my personal home games at least I'm going to make an option where you select three of the following: d10 hp, high will save, high fort save, high ref save. Makes it a bit more customizable and you can get all sorts of monks that way. </blockquote><p>Care to talk about those new abilities? :)
<p>MA</p>Aleron wrote:Having read it over and discussed it with my group we all REALLY like it. The new abilities are very thematic and lend themselves to roleplaying and descriptions. Really cool and I can't wait to give it a try.
For my personal home games at least I'm going to make an option where you select three of the following: d10 hp, high will save, high fort save, high ref save. Makes it a bit more customizable and you can get all sorts of monks that way.
Care to talk about those new...master arminas2015-04-16T22:12:39ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#42015-04-16T21:34:40Z2015-04-16T21:34:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote> I'll start: Flawless Mind does not cost ki, nor do you have to pick it as a ki power. You just get it automatically. </blockquote><p>Good to hear. As I said, I'll reserve my opinion until I can actually read the class, but I am hoping for good things.
<p>MA</p>Mark Seifter wrote:I'll start: Flawless Mind does not cost ki, nor do you have to pick it as a ki power. You just get it automatically.
Good to hear. As I said, I'll reserve my opinion until I can actually read the class, but I am hoping for good things. MAmaster arminas2015-04-16T21:34:40ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#22015-04-16T21:23:47Z2015-04-16T21:23:47Z<p>To start us off, I am going to post the review of <i>Unchained</i> by Dabbler. At least the parts of it that deal with the Monk.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Dabbler said wrote:</div><blockquote><p>OK, I have only had a chance to briefly look through much of the volume, and I have mainly concerned myself with the unchained monk, seeing as how I've largely been involved with monk discussions.</p>
<p>Let me say that conceptually, the monk is my favourite class. Sadly, the crunch of the monk has never matched the fluff or the promise, something that was clearly conceded in the decision to make it part of the unchained classes.</p>
<p>So what did I think of the new monk?</p>
<p>Well let me start by outlining what (in my opinion) the monk's major problems were:</p>
<p>1) MADness. The monk is the most multi-attribute dependent class in the game with no exceptions. He needs way to many good scores to function, and spreading his scores makes him suffer.</p>
<p>2) Enhancement. The monk's primary weapon, the unarmed strike, struggles to get enhancement. The only viable option is the amulet of mighty fists, and it suffers not just from price, but from it's total +5 limit of enhancement bonus plus properties.</p>
<p>Essentially, the monk's primary problem as a combat class is actually hitting and damaging his target - a pretty big problem for a combat class. This problem exists as a combination of smaller factors add up: his 3/4 BAB, his lack of enhancement, his MADness, etc. Getting through DR is problematical as well - the monk's ki-strike is useful, but not actually better than the ability to bypass DR that a magic weapon provides via it's enhancement bonus.</p>
<p>The monk's other problems of abilities that do not mesh well together were originally addressed in the qinggong archetype. His concept as a mobile fighter who has to stand still to fight effectively is also a big problem.</p>
<p>So how did Paizo do?</p>
<p>Well, they made some useful changes.</p>
<p>Full BAB - OK, I would not have recommended this, but it does ease the MADness just a little, and improves the odds to hit slightly. Minor plus.</p>
<p>New Flurry Mechanic - I had no issue with the old one, but the new one, well it's better if you are fighting a high-AC target, worse if you are fighting a low AC target. I would rate this a minor plus as well.</p>
<p>Weapon Proficiencies - AT LAST THE MONK IS GOOD WITH ALL MONK WEAPONS! OK, most of them suck, but he can use them all without blowing feats. Minor plus.</p>
<p>MADness - no change. The monk, other than now needing maybe slightly less Con than he did, is just as MAD as ever.</p>
<p>Enhancement - no change, ki-strike is the same as ever, and still not good enough.</p>
<p>Saves - Will save nerfed. Major minus. WTF? Paizo, guys, you had a WEAK CLASS. You said it yourselves. It makes no sense conceptually or mechanically to nerf the monk in any way. You just gave with one hand and took with the other, and that makes no sense. If you want to improve a weak class, you make it stronger, not shuffle things around.</p>
<p>New Ki powers - nice, well organized, but we already had some of these with the archetype. It's good to get abundent step at a level where you can actually go down the Dimensional Dervish road, but otherwise there's not much that thrills me. Abilities the monk used to have as "constant" now require ki to activate, and ki didn't get a boost so it's an even more starved resource than before. No change.</p>
<p>New combat abilities - some of these are pretty cool, flying kick especially as it actually addresses the monk's move/flurry inconsistency. This is a well deserved addition. Minor plus.</p>
<p>My overall impression...the monk is still a weak class. I'm sorry, but if you want an unarmed fighter then the brawler still pounds the monk flat and spits him out with ease where it counts - only now, the monk can't really claim to have less weaknesses than the brawler, either. It almost makes it, but the monk's biggest problems are still unresolved, and while there are some nice improvements here, there is at least one bad nerf to go with them. This was a missed opportunity, Paizo, and I'm left feeling depressed over my favourite class.</p>
<p>Again.</p>
<p>These changes really should have been thrown open to play-testing and feedback.</blockquote><p>To start us off, I am going to post the review of Unchained by Dabbler. At least the parts of it that deal with the Monk.
Dabbler said wrote:OK, I have only had a chance to briefly look through much of the volume, and I have mainly concerned myself with the unchained monk, seeing as how I've largely been involved with monk discussions.
Let me say that conceptually, the monk is my favourite class. Sadly, the crunch of the monk has never matched the fluff or the promise, something that was...master arminas2015-04-16T21:23:47ZForums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: [Unchained] The Monk Unchainedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s6s8?Unchained-The-Monk-Unchained#12015-08-01T15:58:13Z2015-04-16T21:22:39Z<p>Okay. With folks getting their first looks at <i>Unchained</i>, I have decided to start a new thread where we can discuss the <b>Unchained Monk</b>. </p>
<p>Whether for good, for bad, for the big things, or the little things, this is the place to let it all hang out. </p>
<p>For myself, I haven't seen the PDF yet. I <i>will</i> be getting the book (and the PDF), but I am not a subscriber, so I've got to wait. Sigh. BUT, from what folks have said . . . I'm torn.</p>
<p>Some things look good. Very good. I like the change to flurry of blows (mostly, I need to read it carefully to make certain) no longer having a penalty AND the UM having full BAB. I like the concept behind the additional <i>ki</i> powers, but dislike that the <i>ki</i> pool remains so small. I like the new Styles (flying kick alone promises to be awesome and I cannot wait to see (or hear) about the others). </p>
<p>I'm not sure, however, that bumping up the hit die to a d10 was needed . . . especially with the Will save being reduced to poor. Now, <s>Mark</s> Robert Jordan has said (in the BIG Pathfinder Unchained thread) that there are several new powers feeding off of Still Mind that make the monk resistant to will effects. If so, that is good. I just hope that they do not cost <i>ki</i>, considering how small our pool already is.</p>
<p>Anyway, I am going to reserve opinion until I actually get the book (or PDF) and sit down and READ the class and new abilities several times.</p>
<p>But until then, feel free to post your own thoughts, opinions, and critiques.</p>
<p>MA</p>
<p>EDIT: It was actually Robert Jordan who told us about Diamond Mind and Flawless Mind, not Mark. Sorry about that, Robert.</p>Okay. With folks getting their first looks at Unchained, I have decided to start a new thread where we can discuss the Unchained Monk.
Whether for good, for bad, for the big things, or the little things, this is the place to let it all hang out.
For myself, I haven't seen the PDF yet. I will be getting the book (and the PDF), but I am not a subscriber, so I've got to wait. Sigh. BUT, from what folks have said . . . I'm torn.
Some things look good. Very good. I like the change to flurry of...master arminas2015-04-16T21:22:39ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Some Monk Suggestions play-testedmaster arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pn0f&page=11?Some-Monk-Suggestions-playtested#5092015-04-16T20:35:26Z2015-04-16T20:35:26Z<p>I am going to wait until I get the book to make that choice, Dabbler. I do want to see the new <i>ki</i> powers . . . although I'll admit that the revelation (by you) that formerly constant abilities now cost <i>ki</i> (and the <i>ki</i> pool did NOT increase) is worrisome.</p>
<p>I agree 100% with your evaluation of the 'nerf' on Will saves and will NOT be using that aspect of the class, regardless of the rest.</p>
<p>I do like the change to BAB and flurry of blows, but (once again) some aspects are worrisome. Like there being no mention of constant strength damage for light, one-handed, and two-handed weapons. That means using a quarterstaff or temple sword (two-handed) will do 1.5xStr bonus . . . which removes incentive for using unarmed strikes.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>I hope that there are some good things in the class, but I am leery given the early reports.</p>
<p>MA</p>I am going to wait until I get the book to make that choice, Dabbler. I do want to see the new ki powers . . . although I'll admit that the revelation (by you) that formerly constant abilities now cost ki (and the ki pool did NOT increase) is worrisome.
I agree 100% with your evaluation of the 'nerf' on Will saves and will NOT be using that aspect of the class, regardless of the rest.
I do like the change to BAB and flurry of blows, but (once again) some aspects are worrisome. Like there...master arminas2015-04-16T20:35:26ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Pathfinder Unchained (OGL)master arminashttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9c25/discuss&page=30?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Pathfinder-Unchained#14852015-04-15T04:02:56Z2015-04-15T04:02:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">QuidEst wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">master arminas wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">donato wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Barachiel Shina wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Everyone keeps asking these multiclass variants. I still wanna know more about the classes</p>
<p>So what more can you tell us about Rogue? You say it uses the new skill stuff? So in order to use the Unchained Rogue do you have to use the new skill system? What is the skill system in it? What is the Unchained Rogue missing that te Core Rogue has?</p>
<p>How does the Unchained Monk's flurry of blows work now? </blockquote>•• spoiler omitted •• </blockquote><p>Can't wait to see it. But one big question: what did the monk <i><b>LOSE</i></b>?
<p>MA </blockquote>From earlier in this, I can think of: Will saves are now poor, and flurry doesn't dish out quite as many attacks (they are, however, more likely to hit). </blockquote><p>Yeah, I read that after I replied! I am now <i>SAD PANDA</i>. :{
<p>I don't really understand WHY the design team felt like they had to give the Monk a d10 hit die either. Sure, normally a full BAB is pegged to a d10 . . . but there are exceptions. The barbarian's d12 for example. I might well (once I get the book) go back to a d8 and either restore the old Will save or perhaps go to a <i>Medium</i>-progression Will save, ala the old <i>Unearthed Arcana</i>.</p>
<p>Everything else I have heard (so far), I've liked.</p>
<p>MA</p>QuidEst wrote:master arminas wrote: donato wrote: Barachiel Shina wrote:Everyone keeps asking these multiclass variants. I still wanna know more about the classes
So what more can you tell us about Rogue? You say it uses the new skill stuff? So in order to use the Unchained Rogue do you have to use the new skill system? What is the skill system in it? What is the Unchained Rogue missing that te Core Rogue has?
How does the Unchained Monk's flurry of blows work now?
** spoiler omitted **...master arminas2015-04-15T04:02:56ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Pathfinder Unchained (OGL)master arminashttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9c25/discuss&page=30?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Pathfinder-Unchained#14792015-04-15T03:31:42Z2015-04-15T03:31:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">donato wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Barachiel Shina wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Everyone keeps asking these multiclass variants. I still wanna know more about the classes</p>
<p>So what more can you tell us about Rogue? You say it uses the new skill stuff? So in order to use the Unchained Rogue do you have to use the new skill system? What is the skill system in it? What is the Unchained Rogue missing that te Core Rogue has?</p>
<p>How does the Unchained Monk's flurry of blows work now? </blockquote>•• spoiler omitted •• </blockquote><p>Can't wait to see it. But one big question: what did the monk <i><b>LOSE</i></b>?
<p>MA</p>donato wrote:Barachiel Shina wrote:Everyone keeps asking these multiclass variants. I still wanna know more about the classes
So what more can you tell us about Rogue? You say it uses the new skill stuff? So in order to use the Unchained Rogue do you have to use the new skill system? What is the skill system in it? What is the Unchained Rogue missing that te Core Rogue has?
How does the Unchained Monk's flurry of blows work now?
** spoiler omitted ** Can't wait to see it. But one big...master arminas2015-04-15T03:31:42ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Paizo Blog: Time to Break Your Chains!master arminashttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhbo&page=2?Time-to-Break-Your-Chains#712015-04-02T21:30:38Z2015-04-02T21:30:38Z<p>When is the release date, again?</p>
<p>MA</p>When is the release date, again?
MAmaster arminas2015-04-02T21:30:38ZRe: Forums: Conversions: Master Arminas's Revised Warlock for the Pathfinder RPG (Finished)master arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2noz9&page=3?Master-Arminass-Revised-Warlock-for-the#1122015-03-30T14:55:33Z2015-03-30T14:55:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Azten wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Glad I'm not the one necro'ing this thread.</p>
<p>Why isn't there an Eldritch Glaive or similar invocation? I can guess(warlock dip for it, then rest of your levels in eventually pouncing-with-touch-Attacks barbarian). </blockquote><p>I've never cared for <i>Eldritch Glaive</i>. We already had <i>Hideous Blow</i> (although it didn't really work too well at the time)and the ability to make multiple melee attacks with an <i>Eldritch Blast</i> (as with <i>Eldritch Glaive</i>) always felt . . . cheesy.
<p>At least to me. Some people loved that invocation; in fact a number of people that I knew considered it a <i>must have</i> invocation. Being as these were my "power" players (i.e., those who just have to optimize <i>every</i> character they play to the max), I very quickly nixed the invocation.</p>
<p>MA</p>Azten wrote:Glad I'm not the one necro'ing this thread.
Why isn't there an Eldritch Glaive or similar invocation? I can guess(warlock dip for it, then rest of your levels in eventually pouncing-with-touch-Attacks barbarian).
I've never cared for Eldritch Glaive. We already had Hideous Blow (although it didn't really work too well at the time)and the ability to make multiple melee attacks with an Eldritch Blast (as with Eldritch Glaive) always felt . . . cheesy. At least to me. Some people...master arminas2015-03-30T14:55:33ZRe: Forums: Conversions: Master Arminas's Revised Warlock for the Pathfinder RPG (Finished)master arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2noz9&page=3?Master-Arminass-Revised-Warlock-for-the#1102015-03-30T05:44:25Z2015-03-30T05:44:25Z<p>It is a good spell, Zolnax and very thematic. However, I am leery about adding too many spells to the Warlock's list. And, as you have said, it is already available for selection via <i>Eldritch Knowledge</i>.</p>
<p>MA</p>It is a good spell, Zolnax and very thematic. However, I am leery about adding too many spells to the Warlock's list. And, as you have said, it is already available for selection via Eldritch Knowledge.
MAmaster arminas2015-03-30T05:44:25ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Flurry of Blows (Alternate)master arminashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qcbg&page=2?Flurry-of-Blows#512014-12-20T04:39:14Z2014-12-20T04:39:14Z<p>Dotting for later comments (when I have more time).</p>
<p>MA</p>Dotting for later comments (when I have more time).
MAmaster arminas2014-12-20T04:39:14Z