paizo.com Recent Posts by Vohariuspaizo.com Recent Posts by Voharius2014-08-01T13:32:49Z2014-08-01T13:32:49ZRe: Forums: Skull & Shackles: Book 5's Stage Production (SPOILERS)Vohariushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r3tu?Book-5s-Stage-Production#32014-06-02T17:22:41Z2014-06-02T17:22:41Z<p>Thanks Uri!</p>
<p>I was really hoping to get some more stories of how parties (or rather their GMs) handled it. Or did everyone else actually break in at night?</p>Thanks Uri!
I was really hoping to get some more stories of how parties (or rather their GMs) handled it. Or did everyone else actually break in at night?Voharius2014-06-02T17:22:41ZForums: Skull & Shackles: Book 5's Stage Production (SPOILERS)Vohariushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r3tu?Book-5s-Stage-Production#12014-06-02T17:31:40Z2014-05-28T20:16:29Z<p>I found it surprising that the Chelish agents' theatrics weren't detailed at all. The writer didn't consider any players would want to see what exactly was going on? Sure, it's suggested that they break in at night, but my players wanted to screw with the show itself and publicly humiliate/discredit the troupe for best effect.</p>
<p>How things went down for my players is spoilered below. I'd love to hear how it went for any others who didn't go for the late-night breaking and entering!</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>I found it surprising that the Chelish agents' theatrics weren't detailed at all. The writer didn't consider any players would want to see what exactly was going on? Sure, it's suggested that they break in at night, but my players wanted to screw with the show itself and publicly humiliate/discredit the troupe for best effect.
How things went down for my players is spoilered below. I'd love to hear how it went for any others who didn't go for the late-night breaking and entering!
[Spoiler...Voharius2014-05-28T20:16:29ZRe: Forums/Paizo: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Gen Con Costume Contest Voting!Vohariushttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5ldug?Gen-Con-Costume-Contest-Voting#112012-08-23T17:54:31Z2012-08-23T17:54:31Z<p>Gnome sisters!</p>Gnome sisters!Voharius2012-08-23T17:54:31ZRe: Forums: Advice: I want to make a mentally ill Paladin (Need help with alignment).Vohariushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mzos&page=3?I-want-to-make-a-mentally-ill-Paladin#1042011-10-18T18:34:25Z2011-10-18T18:34:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">seekerofshadowlight wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I disagree, and you seem confused.
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<p>This is a case of people being caught up in the "concept" to let the mechanics work. Shes thinks and used to be a paladin, but the OP has fallen into the "fallen paladin is to weak mechanically so I need to rework the paladin class" trap. When his concept really needs for him to use other classes to work best. </blockquote><p>No, you seem confused in regard to the entire point of this thread.
<p>This has nothing to do with any "trap" involving reworking a class.</p>
<p>This is an NPC that seems to be a paladin, thinks she is a paladin, but...DUN DUN DUN...Isn't a paladin.</p>
<p>It was an alignment question, not a class spec question. The character has to believe they are still a paladin, so jumping through hoops in regard to class goes against that.</p>
<p>It's such a great story hook, I'd hate for it to be torn down because "nuh uh, that's not how paladins work." The fact that paladins don't work like the NPC in question is exactly what will get the PCs interested.</p>
<p>Don't let rules get in the way of a good story.</p>seekerofshadowlight wrote:I disagree, and you seem confused.
...This is a case of people being caught up in the "concept" to let the mechanics work. Shes thinks and used to be a paladin, but the OP has fallen into the "fallen paladin is to weak mechanically so I need to rework the paladin class" trap. When his concept really needs for him to use other classes to work best.
No, you seem confused in regard to the entire point of this thread. This has nothing to do with any "trap" involving...Voharius2011-10-18T18:34:25ZRe: Forums: Advice: I want to make a mentally ill Paladin (Need help with alignment).Vohariushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mzos&page=3?I-want-to-make-a-mentally-ill-Paladin#1012011-10-18T18:11:44Z2011-10-18T18:11:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TarkXT wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Voharius wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Or do you object every time the bad guys use powers not available to players? </blockquote>A lot of players do actually. Hence the slippery slope. </blockquote><p>These boards make me sad.TarkXT wrote:Voharius wrote:
Or do you object every time the bad guys use powers not available to players?
A lot of players do actually. Hence the slippery slope. These boards make me sad.Voharius2011-10-18T18:11:44ZRe: Forums: Advice: I want to make a mentally ill Paladin (Need help with alignment).Vohariushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mzos&page=2?I-want-to-make-a-mentally-ill-Paladin#982011-10-18T19:43:23Z2011-10-18T18:04:42Z<p>"Mechanically" was in terms of abilities and rolls. The oath aspect of the class means nothing in this case, because the character -isn't- a paladin. She has fallen, but is being propped up by another deity. The mechanics of the class are all that are being applied.</p>
<p>It could go even further: The character thinks she can still heal with Lay on Hands, but perhaps is only granting temporary hitpoints. The recipient even thinks they are being healed, but really just doesn't feel as badly hurt anymore.</p>
<p>There is no point shackling yourself to the rules when a plot character is concerned. Imagination is the heart of role-playing games, and the GM's is especially important.</p>
<p>Or do you object every time the bad guys use powers not available to players?</p>"Mechanically" was in terms of abilities and rolls. The oath aspect of the class means nothing in this case, because the character -isn't- a paladin. She has fallen, but is being propped up by another deity. The mechanics of the class are all that are being applied.
It could go even further: The character thinks she can still heal with Lay on Hands, but perhaps is only granting temporary hitpoints. The recipient even thinks they are being healed, but really just doesn't feel as badly hurt...Voharius2011-10-18T18:04:42ZRe: Forums: Advice: I want to make a mentally ill Paladin (Need help with alignment).Vohariushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mzos&page=2?I-want-to-make-a-mentally-ill-Paladin#952012-09-13T19:43:47Z2011-10-18T17:46:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">seekerofshadowlight wrote:</div><blockquote>We did not miss it being an NPC, but that does not factor into it. The actions make it a non-paladin.</blockquote><p>The fact that this is an NPC is the -most- important factor here. It's a story character, it doesn't have to follow the rules. The original question was about how to handle the character's alignment.
<p>So how do you handle a plot character's alignment? However is best for the plot. Plus you've got the direct intervention of an evil god here, so go nuts with it I say. Evil god powers the "paladin's" abilities to mimic what would be expected of a paladin, while masking alignment. Detect magic might see something strange going on, but detect evil won't.</p>
<p>Or maybe a perception check with alignment detection? A high roll and they might catch a glimpse of something there.</p>
<p>Anyway, no need to bend over backwards with multiclass scenarios. The character can still function as a paladin as far as game mechanics go. Finding out what is really the source of her power could make for a very interesting storyline.</p>seekerofshadowlight wrote:We did not miss it being an NPC, but that does not factor into it. The actions make it a non-paladin.
The fact that this is an NPC is the -most- important factor here. It's a story character, it doesn't have to follow the rules. The original question was about how to handle the character's alignment. So how do you handle a plot character's alignment? However is best for the plot. Plus you've got the direct intervention of an evil god here, so go nuts with it I say....Voharius2011-10-18T17:46:51ZRe: Forums: Advice: I want to make a mentally ill Paladin (Need help with alignment).Vohariushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mzos&page=2?I-want-to-make-a-mentally-ill-Paladin#912011-10-18T17:26:22Z2011-10-18T17:26:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TheFace wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I intend her as an NPC that the party has to deal with.
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</blockquote><p>Amazing how many people are missing that one very important line in the original post. There's really no need to jump on TheFace for trying to create some kind of munchkin character, because this is NOT A PC.
<p>I say do whatever you want with it, it's part of your story. You could even have the "paladin's" new evil patron concealing her alignment, that would be a great way to confuse your players and have them really rethink what's going on. "Wait, she's -not- detecting as evil? But we just saw her..."</p>TheFace wrote:I intend her as an NPC that the party has to deal with.
Amazing how many people are missing that one very important line in the original post. There's really no need to jump on TheFace for trying to create some kind of munchkin character, because this is NOT A PC. I say do whatever you want with it, it's part of your story. You could even have the "paladin's" new evil patron concealing her alignment, that would be a great way to confuse your players and have them really rethink...Voharius2011-10-18T17:26:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Elves and sleepiness. Why are elves immune to magical sleep?Vohariushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kqkk&page=2?Elves-and-sleepiness-Why-are-elves-immune-to#802010-04-30T16:32:44Z2010-04-30T16:32:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Misery wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">wspatterson wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">James Jacobs wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I'm not sure why elves have the sleep immunity thing; my guess is that it's some sort of link to Tolkien, though.</p>
<p>And in Golarion, elves do indeed sleep. They're just immune to magical sleep effects. Whether or not elves sleep in other campaigns is up to the GM in those campaigns. </blockquote><p>Page 5 of Elves of Golarion. It says elves don't sleep, but rather enter a deep trance that has the same refreshing effect on the mind as human sleep. It also says that elves only have to meditate for four hours.
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So, if they don't sleep, then it stands to reason that they wouldn't fall victim to a sleep spell. </blockquote>That is quite the contradiction. So was it sacked for final PRPG or a mistake on J.J's part? </blockquote><p>The PFRB also references this in the Nightmare spell: "Creatures who don’t sleep (such as elves, but not half-elves) or
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<p>So I guess that will need to be changed if they're also going to be changing the multiple Golarion supplements currently out that specify the 4-hour trance deal.</p>
<p>Way I see it, all printed materials currently out either point towards the trance, or don't touch the subject at all. And that's the way I'd like to continue playing it. It adds to the alien mystique of the race, setting them apart as an entirely separate type of humanoid rather than just a human with pointy ears.</p>Misery wrote:wspatterson wrote: James Jacobs wrote:I'm not sure why elves have the sleep immunity thing; my guess is that it's some sort of link to Tolkien, though.
And in Golarion, elves do indeed sleep. They're just immune to magical sleep effects. Whether or not elves sleep in other campaigns is up to the GM in those campaigns.
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