paizo.com Recent Posts by Veltharispaizo.com Recent Posts by Veltharis2024-03-28T15:59:14Z2024-03-28T15:59:14ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Renaming/Rebranding the OGL monstersVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43yl0?RenamingRebranding-the-OGL-monsters#102024-03-28T17:56:37Z2024-03-28T15:44:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nintendogeek01 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Easl wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Outside of RPG trade names, that is the broad use of the term 'chimera'. I.e. when not used as a proper noun referring to the specific Greek mythical critter, the word <i>chimera</i> can refer to any animal hybrid.</p>
<p>It would be nice if Paizo just used the term correctly. Former-owlbear is now referred to as a chimera because technically <i>it always was</i> a type of chimera. But if they just don't want to go there, I'll understand. </blockquote>That's a good point, it's the same thing that always bugged the heck out of me about using Medusa as the name of a species rather than a person. Now granted, Gorgon wouldn't be technically correct for my example either since they were the "Gorgon sisters" but at least that'd be indicative of a group.</blockquote><p>In a similar fashion to Medusa being used as a species name, Arachne has more or less become the generic name for "spider centaur" type creatures in a lot of circles, so I imagine it'd be pretty trivial to bring back "driders" without the OGL so long as you decouple them from whatever the setting's equivalent of "drow" happens to be.
<p>Though I suspect the drider's Golarion-specific lore of being fleshwarps might make a different name more appropriate for Pathfinder.</p>Nintendogeek01 wrote:Easl wrote:Outside of RPG trade names, that is the broad use of the term 'chimera'. I.e. when not used as a proper noun referring to the specific Greek mythical critter, the word chimera can refer to any animal hybrid.
It would be nice if Paizo just used the term correctly. Former-owlbear is now referred to as a chimera because technically it always was a type of chimera. But if they just don't want to go there, I'll understand.
That's a good point, it's the same thing...Veltharis2024-03-28T15:44:28ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Monster Core Remaster CasualtiesVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43ykj?Monster-Core-Remaster-Casualties#142024-03-27T18:50:50Z2024-03-27T18:40:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Kelseus wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Even some of the D&D creatures may make a come back in one form or another. </p>
<p>Per James Jacobs, even a <a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43tg8&page=9?PF2R-Drow#409" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Drider could be in Remaster</a></blockquote><p>Similar to "Medusa" being used as the name for a type of creature rather than a singular individual, "Arachne" seems to have taken up the mantle of "public domain spider-centaur" in a lot of circles.Kelseus wrote:Even some of the D&D creatures may make a come back in one form or another.
Per James Jacobs, even a Drider could be in Remaster
Similar to "Medusa" being used as the name for a type of creature rather than a singular individual, "Arachne" seems to have taken up the mantle of "public domain spider-centaur" in a lot of circles.Veltharis2024-03-27T18:40:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Monster Core revealsVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43yd7?Monster-Core-reveals#452024-03-14T17:32:05Z2024-03-14T17:24:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Captain Morgan wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">SuperBidi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Captain Morgan wrote:</div><blockquote>They never have the right number of heads or eyes. </blockquote>AI-made images? </blockquote><p>Haven't seen the art, so can't comment on it directly as of yet, but "Biblically accurate angels" generally means very inhuman and eldritch in appearance.
<p>Like a giant wheel of eyes, wings, and fire telling you "BE NOT AFRAID".</p>
<p>So the new archons not having "the right number of heads or eyes" wouldn't be too surprising. </blockquote><p>Yep. All though with a little further research, the term biblically accurate angels was never quite accurate:
<p>"What is often called "biblically accurate angels" are actually seraphim and cherubim in the prophetic books of Isaiah and Ezekiel; which are never described as "angels" in the Bible but were separate kinds of heavenly beings. Angels have typically been portrayed as relatively human figures, though likely more similar to Mesopotamian "winged genii" in the earlier texts, and with influence from Greek and Roman iconography in the New Testament."</p>
<p>So archons being separate allies of angels seems legit. Still, I'm glad they snuck this piece of the zeitgeist in. </blockquote><p>To be sure. In general, I think the term "biblically accurate angels" has largely become something of an umbrella term for any bizarre, eldritch heavenly entity - something of a misnomer, and perhaps a bit misleading, but an interesting aesthetic to tap into nonetheless.Captain Morgan wrote:Veltharis wrote: SuperBidi wrote: Captain Morgan wrote:They never have the right number of heads or eyes.
AI-made images? Haven't seen the art, so can't comment on it directly as of yet, but "Biblically accurate angels" generally means very inhuman and eldritch in appearance. Like a giant wheel of eyes, wings, and fire telling you "BE NOT AFRAID".
So the new archons not having "the right number of heads or eyes" wouldn't be too surprising. Yep. All though with a little...Veltharis2024-03-14T17:24:50ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Monster Core revealsVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43yd7?Monster-Core-reveals#382024-03-14T17:10:48Z2024-03-14T16:34:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">SuperBidi wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Captain Morgan wrote:</div><blockquote>They never have the right number of heads or eyes. </blockquote>AI-made images? </blockquote><p>Haven't seen the art, so can't comment on it directly as of yet, but "Biblically accurate angels" generally means very inhuman and eldritch in appearance.
<p>Like a giant wheel of eyes, wings, and fire telling you "BE NOT AFRAID".</p>
<p>So the new archons not having "the right number of heads or eyes" wouldn't be too surprising.</p>SuperBidi wrote:Captain Morgan wrote:They never have the right number of heads or eyes.
AI-made images? Haven't seen the art, so can't comment on it directly as of yet, but "Biblically accurate angels" generally means very inhuman and eldritch in appearance. Like a giant wheel of eyes, wings, and fire telling you "BE NOT AFRAID".
So the new archons not having "the right number of heads or eyes" wouldn't be too surprising.Veltharis2024-03-14T16:34:23ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Mess With the Dragon, Get the Horns!Veltharishttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6siio?Mess-With-the-Dragon-Get-the-Horns#272024-03-04T08:04:10Z2024-03-02T18:11:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Aenigma wrote:</div><blockquote> Strigiform-ursine hybrids and cuboid gels? The former seems owlbears but <b>what are cuboid gels?</b></blockquote><p>Gelatinous Cubes.Aenigma wrote:Strigiform-ursine hybrids and cuboid gels? The former seems owlbears but what are cuboid gels?
Gelatinous Cubes.Veltharis2024-03-02T18:11:44ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The emGodsrain Prophecies/em Part FourVeltharishttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6siik&page=2?The-Godsrain-Prophecies-Part-Four#632024-03-04T09:02:52Z2024-02-28T21:40:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">The Raven Black wrote:</div><blockquote>She enjoys undeath far too much to ever risk it coming to an end. </blockquote><p>That's what I meant by the last part. If Urgathoa were aware that her death would corrupt every soul that dies, her biggest project would be to figure out if something short of dying permanently would have the same effect. If nothing else, she'd be much more aggressive because she knows that the other deities can't afford to kill her.
<p>This has to be something Urgathoa is completely unaware of. </blockquote><p>I think it makes sense. Think of it like this:
<p>There is some arbitrarily large amount of void energy available to create/sustain undead.</p>
<p>As goddess of undeath, Urgathoa siphons of X% of that energy for her own purposes, presumably parceling some of it out to her followers and any necromancers/undead/soon-to-be undead she has plans for and, in her capacity as first undead and goddess of gluttony, quite possibly gorging herself on the rest to sustain and/or increase her own power. Any necromancers/undead not drawing their power from Urgathoa in some way have to compete with each other over whatever percentage of void energy she leaves behind.</p>
<p>Then Arazni kills her and suddenly the proverbial dam bursts, flooding that void energy Urgathoa kept for herself back out into the multiverse.</p>PossibleCabbage wrote:The Raven Black wrote:She enjoys undeath far too much to ever risk it coming to an end.
That's what I meant by the last part. If Urgathoa were aware that her death would corrupt every soul that dies, her biggest project would be to figure out if something short of dying permanently would have the same effect. If nothing else, she'd be much more aggressive because she knows that the other deities can't afford to kill her. This has to be something Urgathoa is completely...Veltharis2024-02-28T21:40:53ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Rise of the Runelords 2e Official Release?Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43y2z?Rise-of-the-Runelords-2e-Official-Release#42024-02-24T16:52:46Z2024-02-24T16:36:40Z<p>Nothing announced to that effect, so far as I'm aware, but I wouldn't expect an official 2e version of Rise of the Runelords any time soon regardless. Unless Paizo is okay releasing it via the OGL like the original - unlikely, in my opinion - it would inevitably need to be updated to fit the post-Remaster paradigm.</p>
<p>This would involve a lot of little changes (for example, swapping out OGL monsters for non-OGL ones, and possibly needing to retool encounters - or even entire plotlines - as a result) and at least some fairly huge ones: namely excising the classical D&D magic schools (transmutation, conjuration, etc.) from ancient Thassilonian magical tradition, and thus completely redefining the magic system the runelords operate under, without losing the bulk of their core characteristics and narrative in the process.</p>
<p>They'll need to do that eventually anyway if they ever want to touch on the runelords/Thassilon again in the future, but it's a much bigger job than it may look from the outside.</p>Nothing announced to that effect, so far as I'm aware, but I wouldn't expect an official 2e version of Rise of the Runelords any time soon regardless. Unless Paizo is okay releasing it via the OGL like the original - unlikely, in my opinion - it would inevitably need to be updated to fit the post-Remaster paradigm.
This would involve a lot of little changes (for example, swapping out OGL monsters for non-OGL ones, and possibly needing to retool encounters - or even entire plotlines - as a...Veltharis2024-02-24T16:36:40ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Godsrain Prophecies Part TwoVeltharishttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sii4&page=3?The-Godsrain-Prophecies-Part-Two#1312024-02-22T15:48:01Z2024-02-17T12:47:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sanityfaerie wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">LandSwordBear wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Sanityfaerie wrote:</div><blockquote> I wouldn't be surprised if "Who was the killer, anyway?" was massive spoilers for the associated AP. </blockquote>Unless there •is no• killer. Could be a bad case of the godsflu. Or perhaps a suicide. Old age? Fade away into nothingness out of sheer boredom with the whole schtick of having to endlessly being deific? Look, even superheroes get the blues... </blockquote><p>Could still be massive spoilers.
<p>Also, we have the image of the deity being torn apart and raining down on the world as godstuff. That's not old age. </blockquote><p>Large enough stars blow themselves apart in a supernova when they run out of fusion fuel and "die". While I certainly don't expect "natural causes" to be what takes out any of the gods on the proverbial chopping block, it's entirely possible that the death of a deity can manifest in many different ways, some of them explosive and cataclysmic.
<p>For example, as I understand it, Nethys has always been described as being in a delicate balance between opposing forces of creation and destruction that are perpetually trying to tear him apart and annihilate one another - he's essentially a divine, sentient matter-antimatter bomb. I'd expect any situation involving the death of Nethys to end in a cataclysmic explosion of magical power, regardless of what actually killed him, simply by virtue of what Nethys is.</p>Sanityfaerie wrote:LandSwordBear wrote: Sanityfaerie wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if "Who was the killer, anyway?" was massive spoilers for the associated AP.
Unless there *is no* killer. Could be a bad case of the godsflu. Or perhaps a suicide. Old age? Fade away into nothingness out of sheer boredom with the whole schtick of having to endlessly being deific? Look, even superheroes get the blues... Could still be massive spoilers. Also, we have the image of the deity being torn apart and...Veltharis2024-02-17T12:47:30ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: [Insert your Deity here] is dead. How do you react?Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43xui&page=3?Insert-your-Deity-here-is-dead-How-do-you-react#1342024-02-14T17:00:47Z2024-02-14T16:04:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">SuperBidi wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Aren't we supposed to know the next "safe" deity... a few hours ago?</p>
<p>Pray to Lam... for Lamashtu! </blockquote><p>I wouldn't expect the second Godsrain blog post to drop before this afternoon at the earliest. It's only just now hitting 8AM on the west coast of the US.SuperBidi wrote:Aren't we supposed to know the next "safe" deity... a few hours ago?
Pray to Lam... for Lamashtu!
I wouldn't expect the second Godsrain blog post to drop before this afternoon at the earliest. It's only just now hitting 8AM on the west coast of the US.Veltharis2024-02-14T16:04:33ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: [Insert your Deity here] is dead. How do you react?Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43xui&page=3?Insert-your-Deity-here-is-dead-How-do-you-react#1312024-02-14T16:13:51Z2024-02-14T15:52:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The Thing From Another World wrote:</div><blockquote> I am out of the loop is their something happing canon wise on April 16? </blockquote><p>As I understand it, they're planning a livestream on the 16th to give out a lot more information on the "War of Immortals" storyline, involving both the WoI book itself and an accompanying novel due out later this year.
<p>Supposedly we should be getting the final confirmation of which of the core 20 will die, at a minimum.</p>The Thing From Another World wrote:I am out of the loop is their something happing canon wise on April 16?
As I understand it, they're planning a livestream on the 16th to give out a lot more information on the "War of Immortals" storyline, involving both the WoI book itself and an accompanying novel due out later this year. Supposedly we should be getting the final confirmation of which of the core 20 will die, at a minimum.Veltharis2024-02-14T15:52:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Godsrain Prophecies Part OneVeltharishttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sii0&page=4?The-Godsrain-Prophecies-Part-One#1652024-02-12T21:05:57Z2024-02-11T09:09:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Garrett Guillotte wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote> I'm a big fan of Cheliax, and the death of Asmodeus would upend - if not utterly topple - House Thrune </blockquote>It would be <i>quite</i> brave to believe that Thrune is indebted to only <i>one</i> major power of Hell. Or that Asmodeus hasn't done any estate planning, for that matter.</blockquote><p>Has less to do with how few (or many) archdevils House Thrune has deals with or how smooth/contentious the regime change in Hell is, and more to do with the fact that it would set up a situation where everyone who wants House Thrune deposed that can even remotely spare the manpower would immediately jump at the opportunity to overthrow them, quite possibly resulting in both internal uprisings and invasion by one or more foreign states simultaneously.
<p>Sure, House Thrune and Cheliax could theoretically survive going through another round of "New God, Who Dis?"/Glorious Reclamation 2.0 civil wars while also holding off Andoran/Rahadoumi/etc. armies seeking to claim/reclaim/liberate Cheliaxian territory and citizens, but doing so convincingly would become a pretty narrow needle to thread in my estimation.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote><p>Besides, relax: it's Cheliax! If any nation in the Inner Sea region knows how to gracefully handle their patron god—upon whose powers they disproportionately rely—unexpectedly and suddenly dying, it's Cheliax! <i>Famously stable during deific patron death chaos Cheliax!</i></p>
<p>Anyway, I'm off to go find the <i>Ihystear</i>. No reason. Don't worry about it! </blockquote><p>"There is no war in <s>Westcrown</s> Egorian." •Smiles woodenly•Garrett Guillotte wrote:Veltharis wrote: I'm a big fan of Cheliax, and the death of Asmodeus would upend - if not utterly topple - House Thrune
It would be quite brave to believe that Thrune is indebted to only one major power of Hell. Or that Asmodeus hasn't done any estate planning, for that matter.Has less to do with how few (or many) archdevils House Thrune has deals with or how smooth/contentious the regime change in Hell is, and more to do with the fact that it would set up a situation...Veltharis2024-02-11T09:09:04ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: The Godsrain Prophecies Part OneVeltharishttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sii0&page=4?The-Godsrain-Prophecies-Part-One#1592024-02-11T13:20:53Z2024-02-10T19:36:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">William Ronald wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I hope that it is Asmodeus who dies. He has been steadily elevated since D&D's earliest days to move from being the chief of archdevils to a greater god. (He is not that impressive in the original work that he appears in, the Book of Tophit. I suspect that E. Gary Gygax put him at the top of the hierarchy of Hell as he was more obscure than some other figures.) He is tied into D&D's lore and removing him would sever ties. It would also (pun intended) create a hell of a situation with Cheliax as some infernal pacts would be negated, and there would be struggles in the nation that could lead to civil war or a lot of turmoil. Who would come out on top in the hierarchies of Hell, and what would the death of Asmodeus (perhaps by a known god or by unknown forces) mean for Cheliax, the Hellknights, and others? Would Rahadoum be emboldened to reclaim its lost territory and decry the followers of deities? Or would their moves backfire horribly on them? There are many narrative possibilities, so I hope that the decision that Paizo makes leads to many interesting narrative possibilities where characters - whether in Organized Play or elsewhere - will have chances to help shape what comes in the aftermath of the death of a god. It should be impactful, as Aroden's death was. For now, I expect that many are eagerly waiting future entries in this series.</p>
<p>Other deities will be impacted as well. Perhaps Torag — assuming that he survives - will change further. Perhaps the loss of a fellow deity will bring the members of the Prismatic Ray closer. Perhaps Zon-Kuthon will make more overtures into Cheliax. Or others might step up as patrons to Cheliax. (Set comes to mind and this may create a rivalry between Cheliax and Osirion.) The future is uncertain, and Golarion may be in more need of heroes than it has in a very long time.</blockquote><p>I'm of two minds on a hypothetical death of Asmodeus.
<p>On the one hand, a civil war/regime change in Hell has the potential to be very interesting. I've been brainstorming a "The Reckoning: Part Deux - Game of Thrones IN HELL!!!" storyline for D&D's Planescape setting for years at this point, so I certainly can't fault the idea as a matter of principle.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, I'm a big fan of Cheliax, and the death of Asmodeus would upend - if not utterly topple - House Thrune, quite possibly taking the nation as a whole down with it. Great if you want to blow up the evil empire and see what can be built out of its ashes, but significantly less so if you liked having that evil empire as an active geopolitical presence to construct narratives around in the first place.</p>
<p>I have a hard time envisioning a post-Thrune Cheliax that would be as interesting to me as the Cheliax that currently exists.</p>William Ronald wrote:I hope that it is Asmodeus who dies. He has been steadily elevated since D&D's earliest days to move from being the chief of archdevils to a greater god. (He is not that impressive in the original work that he appears in, the Book of Tophit. I suspect that E. Gary Gygax put him at the top of the hierarchy of Hell as he was more obscure than some other figures.) He is tied into D&D's lore and removing him would sever ties. It would also (pun intended) create a hell of a...Veltharis2024-02-10T19:36:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo Blog: Monster Core Preview: Monsters Resurrected!Veltharishttps://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sihj?Monster-Core-Preview-Monsters-Resurrected#462024-01-29T11:38:58Z2024-01-25T15:55:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">SpaceDrake wrote:</div><blockquote> I'm still quite curious about what precisely is being done with the demons, devils, angels and archons (and to a lesser extent the azatas) because those creature types were absolutely riddled with OGL content at the "base" level. Originally on purpose (they were these when Pathfinder didn't even have a CRB yet!) but obviously that's a lot more problematic now. It'd be nice to hear what exactly the plan is going forward (redesigns and renamings on a 1:1 basis? Full on rearranging of the hierarchy and lore? Something even more radical?) </blockquote><p>They did a short preview of one of the new archons on a livestream a few weeks ago. Not much info to go on, but the plan seems to be to take them in a more "biblically accurate" direction, i.e. proper angels will (presumably) still be mostly humanoid in form because they're the ones you want to serve as envoys and messengers, while archons are the "Why is the burning wheel of wings and eyes telling me to 'BE NOT AFRAID'?" type.
<p>Definitely want to see what's happening to devils and demons, since one of my favorite 1e characters is/was a Chelaxian diabolist/demon hunter and trying to rebuild her under the 2e ruleset has proven to be a rather frustrating experience.</p>SpaceDrake wrote:I'm still quite curious about what precisely is being done with the demons, devils, angels and archons (and to a lesser extent the azatas) because those creature types were absolutely riddled with OGL content at the "base" level. Originally on purpose (they were these when Pathfinder didn't even have a CRB yet!) but obviously that's a lot more problematic now. It'd be nice to hear what exactly the plan is going forward (redesigns and renamings on a 1:1 basis? Full on...Veltharis2024-01-25T15:55:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Kineticist and Weapon Expertise/SpecializationVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43xdh?Kineticist-and-Weapon-ExpertiseSpecialization#252024-01-10T19:06:57Z2024-01-09T21:56:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Unicore wrote:</div><blockquote> Is there anyway for a kineticist to do nonlethal damage except with weapons or unarmed attacks? At least the damage will be useful then? </blockquote><p>The <a href="https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=4190" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Safe Elements</a> feat includes the Pacifying Infusion action, which gives your next impulse the nonlethal trait.Unicore wrote:Is there anyway for a kineticist to do nonlethal damage except with weapons or unarmed attacks? At least the damage will be useful then?
The Safe Elements feat includes the Pacifying Infusion action, which gives your next impulse the nonlethal trait.Veltharis2024-01-09T21:56:08ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: What do you want from a Lost Omens: Old Cheliax?Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43o1a&page=13?What-do-you-want-from-a-Lost-Omens-Old-Cheliax#6192023-12-13T22:08:51Z2023-12-13T13:17:07Z<p>Coming into this discussion fairly late, so forgive the thread necromancy...</p>
<p>While I don't really have detailed opinions on Isger, Nidal, and Ravounel, I am admittedly somewhat concerned over what Cheliax proper will look like in a couple years' time. </p>
<p>For whatever reason, I rather like the good ol' devil empire, and so naturally I want it to stick around more or less as it has been throughout Pathfinder's lifecycle, but as others have noted, the repeated blows it has taken in recent years gives it an air of weakness that somewhat undermines the geopolitical threat that Cheliax is intended to pose. Kind of hard to take an evil empire seriously if they don't feel like they could actually win, and the biggest "win" Cheliax has had in quite a while is putting down the Glorious Reclamation (an internal rebellion that managed to take the old imperial capital of Westcrown) at roughly the same time they lost Ravounel and Vidrian.</p>
<p>There are compelling arguments that House Thrune ultimately came out in a stronger position overall - having consolidated power, purged dissidents, and let go of provinces that would have been difficult to hold onto long-term anyway - but from a top-level, bird's eye view, it still looks like Cheliax has suffered a string of recent losses and their one notable victory still managed to give them a very pronounced black eye. Even if they're actually stronger than ever, Cheliax currently looks somewhat weak on the geopolitical stage - as though all it would take to make them topple over is one more hard shove.</p>
<p>Which makes some of the things that have been confirmed and/or heavily foreshadowed for the near future (the death of at least one core deity, two great nations going to war) and the general speculation surrounding them rather concerning, as they seem to imply that Cheliax may well be due another major upheaval in the near future.</p>
<p>Tackling the obvious first, the hypothetical death of Asmodeus would leave Cheliax without a patron deity for the second time in ~120 years and severely weaken House Thrune, at least as far as the optics are concerned. No matter how smooth the transition of power in Hell itself may be, I can't see Cheliax swapping out its state religion - again - without a hefty dose of turmoil. Mephistopheles and the other archdevils, ancient though they may be, don't have the in-universe name recognition that Asmodeus does, so one of them taking the throne in Nessus is still going to feel like a downgrade to the Chelaxian people for quite some time. And refocusing away from a single patron deity to some sort of general "Infernal Bureaucracy" pantheon feels too...decentralized to me - if Cheliax were inclined to go for a "pax deorum"/"we need all the gods on our side that we can get" type of religious framework, they never would have turned to Asmodeus and Hell in the first place.</p>
<p>If Asmodeus dies and Cheliax as it exists under House Thrune is intended to survive for any meaningful length of time moving forward, I think they need a singular figure that they're already heavily invested in to rally around... Which honestly makes me wonder if the solution isn't just to put Abrogail herself at the top of the state religion, either by letting her acquire godhood through a trip to the Starstone, getting hit by a glob of godstuff as described by the upcoming exemplar class, or even pulling a Razmir and just faking it. Would really help sell the "Hell serves Cheliax" thing to make who/whatever succeeds Asmodeus play second-fiddle to the Queen herself, even if nothing else really changes in regards to the Hell-Thrune alliance.</p>
<p>On the more terrestrial side of things, a hypothetical war breaking out between Cheliax and Andoran (likely instigated by Andoran - an opportunistic attack hoping to take advantage of Asmodeus' death to a catch House Thrune off guard and vulnerable seems probable to me) could make for an interesting AP, but it can really only end one of two ways: either House Thrune is overthrown or Cheliax wins. I find it hard to imaging a scenario where such an AP were centered on the Andoran perspective (i.e. having the players fight against Cheliax) without them ultimately coming out victorious, and as previously discussed, Cheliax kind of needs a win in order to remain a convincing threat on the geopolitical stage.</p>
<p>An AP focusing on an Andoran/Cheliax war from the Chelaxian perspective could likewise be interesting in theory, but it would need to avoid being framed as an "evil AP" a la Hell's Vengeance - if they can go the Blood Lords route and try for something where playing evil/unholy is ostensibly valid, but not necessarily required, I think it could work. Let Cheliax rebound a bit, take some territory, and put Andoran on the back foot, then maybe have Tar-Baphon make a move late in the game to encourage everyone into an armistice and prevent Abby from fully wiping Andoran off the map, at least for the near future. I don't have particularly strong feelings for Andoran, but I doubt anybody wants Galt to be the last surviving bastion of democracy in Avistan...</p>
<p>If Asmodeus does bite it as a result of the War of Immortals storyline, I think the chances of Andoran launching a bid to "liberate" Cheliax from the rule of House Thrune go up fairly drastically, and that in turn makes an Old Cheliax book more or less mandatory (and depending on what happens to Andoran, perhaps setting up a Shining Kingdoms one as well). Would be a good opportunity to get a Lost Omens: Hellknights supplement as well.</p>
<p>We'll see what's happening as Divine Mysteries gets closer to release, I suppose.</p>Coming into this discussion fairly late, so forgive the thread necromancy...
While I don't really have detailed opinions on Isger, Nidal, and Ravounel, I am admittedly somewhat concerned over what Cheliax proper will look like in a couple years' time.
For whatever reason, I rather like the good ol' devil empire, and so naturally I want it to stick around more or less as it has been throughout Pathfinder's lifecycle, but as others have noted, the repeated blows it has taken in recent years...Veltharis2023-12-13T13:17:07ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=11?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#5192023-11-28T19:23:11Z2023-11-28T19:11:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Calliope5431 wrote:</div><blockquote><p>It's true, spellcasting wasn't really biased towards good/evil instead of law/chaos.</p>
<p>But seriously. I would never ever turn to Hell to kill demons. Here's why:</p>
<p>If I want to kill a demon in PF 1 or 3.5, and I summon a devil... the devil can't really help? Their attacks are aligned to evil and law, and the demon's damage reduction was bypassed by neither of those. The devil doesn't actually HAVE dictum or order's wrath. If we look at the pit fiend statblock, it has blasphemy. Which bounces right off the very evil demon while hitting any non-evil party members. It also has a permanent unholy aura, which literally buffs the demon against the rest of the party! And its fire spells ricochet off the demon's fire resistance.</p>
<p>In fact, I'd be better off summoning basically ANYTHING BUT a devil. In particular, I should summon an angel. Who DOES bypass the demon's damage reduction with its attacks (aligned good and lawful) and has holy word and holy smite.</blockquote><p>I've always viewed spell-like ability lists as suggestions rather than mandates, but even so, I see no reason devils shouldn't have access to magic items and class levels that expand their capabilities, particularly those of the "named NPC" variety.
<p>Regardless, I'm not saying the statblock of any random devil is somehow perfectly optimized for combating any random demon, I'm saying characters who have a reason to specialize at killing demons but come at it from different angles should be equally supported in their ability to do so.</p>
<p>A legion of Hellknights (LN/unsanctified) hunting demons because they're embodiments of chaos might not use the same tools as a legion of Paladins (LG/holy) hunting demons because they're embodiments of evil, but they should be able to be similarly as effective. Instead, in 2e the Hellknights are artificially hamstrung by not being holy.</p>
<p>More to the point, not everyone comes at it by first asking "I hate demons, so whom should I ally myself with in order to kill them best?" Some come at it from "I'm a devotee of X and, as it turns out, X has opinions and divine mandates regarding demons, so I've decided to make eradicating them my life's work". Some come at it from "I have an ideology/worldview that demons are antithetical to, and as such view their elimination as a matter of vital importance to furthering my cause".</p>
<p>For example, my character was an Asmodean Demon Hunter (a 1e religion trait), which has the baked in implications that the character has a strong connection to the faith of Asmodeus and that the faith of Asmodeus has strong opinions on demons and the eradication thereof - not exactly a foundation from which I can spontaneously decide that Iomedae, angels, and holy magic should be my tools of choice just because they're more mechanically advantageous. Unless that doctrine has been fully memory-holed and Asmodeus in 2e doesn't care about combating demons in the slightest, his servants and followers should have access to comparable tools to do the job. Right now, they don't.</p>Calliope5431 wrote:It's true, spellcasting wasn't really biased towards good/evil instead of law/chaos.
But seriously. I would never ever turn to Hell to kill demons. Here's why:
If I want to kill a demon in PF 1 or 3.5, and I summon a devil... the devil can't really help? Their attacks are aligned to evil and law, and the demon's damage reduction was bypassed by neither of those. The devil doesn't actually HAVE dictum or order's wrath. If we look at the pit fiend statblock, it has...Veltharis2023-11-28T19:11:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=11?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#5122023-11-30T14:22:29Z2023-11-28T17:34:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Calliope5431 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">The Raven Black wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I fell the very strong focus we see in the rules and how people debate those really bring the spotlight on Holy/Unholy to the detriment of everything else. Even anathema, to say nothing of edicts, feel less character-centric than Can you deal a damage type that hurts Fiends / Celestials.</p>
<p>I feel some elements of the setting make much less sense in view of the strengthened focus on Good (Holy) vs Evil (Unholy).</p>
<p>Why would a hater of Demons turn to Hell (another flavor of Unholy) to annihilate his enemies instead of turning to Heaven (regimented AND Holy) ? So, no founding of the Hellknights.</p>
<p>And how can the Order of the Godclaw even exist, worshipping exemplaries of Holy and Unholy in the same prayer ? </blockquote><p>In fairness demons were never actually vulnerable to lawful damage. They took it, but they didn't take any extra.
<p>As opposed to good damage, which they both took and were weak to.</p>
<p>So "why turn to hell and the godclaw" hasn't made sense since PF 2 came out. <b>Heck, in PF 1 and DND 3.5 demons had DR/good and not DR/lawful. So it's really never been the case that hell was better than heaven for killing demons</b></blockquote><p>Damage Reduction in PF1 (and I believe D&D 3.5e, but it's been a while) was primarily an issue for weapon users - it's a question of whether your weapon is properly enchanted to get past their DR. While a holy weapon was an issue for evil-aligned wielders, it caused no such problem for neutral ones, and with a high-enough enchantment bonus (+5) you can bypass alignment-based DR entirely even without an alignment enchanted weapon. There were also spells, weapon oils, etc. that allowed you to temporarily align your weaponry for the purposes of bypassing DR, which explicitly do not have the same negative consequences for oppositely aligned wielders that permanent alignment enchantments do.
<p>By contrast, spells generally bypassed DR and those such as Holy Word/Dictum, Holy Smite/Order's Wrath, Protection from Evil/Chaos and so on, as well as abilities like a Paladin's Smite Evil and a Hellknight's Smite Chaos, were primarily keyed off of whether the target was of evil/chaotic alignment (or sometimes nongood/nonlawful, meaning it would also affect neutral targets) or whether they were an outsider with the evil/chaotic subtype, meaning such magic was equally effective against demons regardless of whether you came at it from the "Holy" angle or the "Lawful" angle.</p>
<p>So no, while it was admittedly more convoluted for weapon-users, there's no reason Hell (or Hellknights) couldn't be just as effective against demons as holy-types can in PF1e. Not necessarily <b>more</b> effective, but as effective, provided they are properly prepared and equipped.</p>
<p>PF2e changed that, and the remaster doubled down on it.</p>Calliope5431 wrote:The Raven Black wrote:I fell the very strong focus we see in the rules and how people debate those really bring the spotlight on Holy/Unholy to the detriment of everything else. Even anathema, to say nothing of edicts, feel less character-centric than Can you deal a damage type that hurts Fiends / Celestials.
I feel some elements of the setting make much less sense in view of the strengthened focus on Good (Holy) vs Evil (Unholy).
Why would a hater of Demons turn to Hell...Veltharis2023-11-28T17:34:39ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=11?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#5022023-11-27T20:01:02Z2023-11-27T19:27:51Z<p>From the PFS "[Official] Remaster Questions / Clarifications Thread":
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Speidel wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote><p>A) How does holy/unholy sanctification work for classes that don't have it built into their class kit (i.e. non-clerics/champions)? Can a rogue, for example, choose to be sanctified? If so, is it simply a matter of deciding it to be true, or does it require some sort of mechanical choice to be made (presumably via selecting a feat of some sort)? And by the same token, are non-clerics/champions beholden to their chosen deity's sanctification guidelines, or is it optional for them? If said rogue was a follower of Iomedae, for example, can they choose to remain unsanctified or is holy sanctification mandatory just as it is for clerics?</p>
<p>B) Is the ability to "revere" a deity rather than worship them still an option in the wake of the remaster? If so, how does that option interact with deities listed as Restricted on the Availability list?</blockquote><p>A) At present, only characters whose classes include a Sanctification entry (which is just clerics and champions) can be sanctified. That may change in future, but as of today, your rogue cannot be sanctified without a cleric or champion class archetype.
<p>B) Yes. You still may not revere any Restricted deities. </blockquote><p>Well, that answers that. As far as Asmodeus, the archdevils, and anything else on the Restricted list are concerned, characters of faith are completely off the table in PFS, cleric or otherwise.From the PFS "[Official] Remaster Questions / Clarifications Thread":
Alex Speidel wrote:Veltharis wrote:A) How does holy/unholy sanctification work for classes that don't have it built into their class kit (i.e. non-clerics/champions)? Can a rogue, for example, choose to be sanctified? If so, is it simply a matter of deciding it to be true, or does it require some sort of mechanical choice to be made (presumably via selecting a feat of some sort)? And by the same token, are...Veltharis2023-11-27T19:27:51ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Official] Remaster Questions/Clarifications ThreadVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43wjy&page=2?Official-Remaster-QuestionsClarifications-Thread#882023-11-27T19:41:02Z2023-11-27T19:21:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alex Speidel wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote><p>A) How does holy/unholy sanctification work for classes that don't have it built into their class kit (i.e. non-clerics/champions)? Can a rogue, for example, choose to be sanctified? If so, is it simply a matter of deciding it to be true, or does it require some sort of mechanical choice to be made (presumably via selecting a feat of some sort)? And by the same token, are non-clerics/champions beholden to their chosen deity's sanctification guidelines, or is it optional for them? If said rogue was a follower of Iomedae, for example, can they choose to remain unsanctified or is holy sanctification mandatory just as it is for clerics?</p>
<p>B) Is the ability to "revere" a deity rather than worship them still an option in the wake of the remaster? If so, how does that option interact with deities listed as Restricted on the Availability list?</blockquote><p>A) At present, only characters whose classes include a Sanctification entry (which is just clerics and champions) can be sanctified. That may change in future, but as of today, your rogue cannot be sanctified without a cleric or champion class archetype.
<p>B) Yes. You still may not revere any Restricted deities. </blockquote><p>Much appreciated.
<p>Not the answer I was hoping for on the "revere" question, obviously, but at least I have an answer now, instead of a bunch of unsupported assumptions of "it's fine as long as you don't play a cleric/champion".</p>Alex Speidel wrote:Veltharis wrote:A) How does holy/unholy sanctification work for classes that don't have it built into their class kit (i.e. non-clerics/champions)? Can a rogue, for example, choose to be sanctified? If so, is it simply a matter of deciding it to be true, or does it require some sort of mechanical choice to be made (presumably via selecting a feat of some sort)? And by the same token, are non-clerics/champions beholden to their chosen deity's sanctification guidelines, or is...Veltharis2023-11-27T19:21:58ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: [Official] Remaster Questions/Clarifications ThreadVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43wjy&page=2?Official-Remaster-QuestionsClarifications-Thread#832023-11-27T04:11:03Z2023-11-27T03:18:34Z<p>A few questions with regards to religion and sanctification from a lapsed 1e PFS player trying to wrap my head around a few things - some of this has probably been hashed out already and some is probably still being deliberated now, but I've been scouring the forums and blogs for a while and I'm having trouble working it out:</p>
<p>A) How does holy/unholy sanctification work for classes that don't have it built into their class kit (i.e. non-clerics/champions)? Can a rogue, for example, choose to be sanctified? If so, is it simply a matter of deciding it to be true, or does it require some sort of mechanical choice to be made (presumably via selecting a feat of some sort)? And by the same token, are non-clerics/champions beholden to their chosen deity's sanctification guidelines, or is it optional for them? If said rogue was a follower of Iomedae, for example, can they choose to remain unsanctified or is holy sanctification mandatory just as it is for clerics?</p>
<p>B) Is the ability to "revere" a deity rather than worship them still an option in the wake of the remaster? If so, how does that option interact with deities listed as Restricted on the Availability list?</p>
<p>For context, back during my time in 1e PFS, my "main" character was a Lawful Neutral follower of Asmodeus that leaned heavily into Law vs. Chaos - she was styled as something of a professional demon hunter, built during the lead up to the season that tied into Wrath of the Righteous. I played that character all the way through retirement, ending with Eyes of the Ten - pretty much the last PFS games I played, as I moved soon after for school/work reasons and found myself in a region of the US that is seemingly the middle of an Organized Play desert.</p>
<p>I loved that character a great deal and have been trying to work out the right expression for her using the 2e ruleset ever since it came out, just in case I ever get the chance to play again. Unfortunately, while she wasn't a cleric, faith was nonetheless very important to this character, and the decisions made regarding Asmodeus in 2e (mandating LE alignment and then unholy sanctification for followers, and now fully putting him on the Restricted list for PFS) have made that exceedingly difficult for me.</p>
<p>I'm not asking for Asmodeus's alignment/sanctification guidelines to be loosened - that's a request for the game design team, and from what I've read, just flat out not going to happen. Similarly, I'm not asking for PFS to reconsider the decision to not allow unholy sanctified characters - that's also just not going to happen.</p>
<p>I'm just trying to figure out if it's even remotely possible to recreate this character under the current ruleset and PFS guidelines without having to completely gut her core belief system in the process.</p>A few questions with regards to religion and sanctification from a lapsed 1e PFS player trying to wrap my head around a few things - some of this has probably been hashed out already and some is probably still being deliberated now, but I've been scouring the forums and blogs for a while and I'm having trouble working it out:
A) How does holy/unholy sanctification work for classes that don't have it built into their class kit (i.e. non-clerics/champions)? Can a rogue, for example, choose to...Veltharis2023-11-27T03:18:34ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=10?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#5002023-11-26T09:27:28Z2023-11-26T02:41:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I mean, if you want to be a character in PF2e who has ties to hell and is interested in upholding laws and ending threats to a stable society, but isn't a terrible person then Dispater is right there. He was the Archdevil in 2e that granted spells to LN people and his edicts are basically "Uphold law, perfect your surroundings, be refined" while his anathema are "act above your station, let your guard down, betray a lover." A follower of Dispater would want to make their homeland orderly, safe, and better (from a certain perspective); he's the architect of Hell and is more interested in "setting an example for others" than "conquest."</p>
<p>If you're a Chelaxian patriot who is devoted to any of the archdevils, that's going to be accepted because all of them are subservient to Asmodeus anyway. It's probably normal in Cheliax for bankers, say, to devote themselves to Mammon more than Asmodeus. </blockquote><p>I seem to recall that the church of Asmodeus and/or Cheliax itself actively discourages worship of any of the other archdevils - the religion section of Cheliax: Empire of Devils implies it's forbidden on pain of torture and execution to worship any devil other than Asmodeus, though looking through a few other sources it seems that's perhaps been rolled back in later books.
<p>Something to consider, though it still basically requires rebuilding the character from the ground up. Asmodeus has power over fire within his divine portfolio and, artwork aside, Dispater does not, so my flame mystery oracle attributing her powers to Asmodeus works thematically in a way that linking them to Dispater wouldn't. I wove a lot of different threads and themes together like that when I built my oracle, and the solution of "just change, downplay, or delegitimize her core religious beliefs" is less helpful than it sounds. Her faith was integral to her character and if I could be satisfied by just swapping out Asmodeus for Iomedae or Sarenrae, I wouldn't even be here. It would still end up being a fundamentally different character.</p>
<p>Also, PFS restricts worship of all of the archdevils, queens of the night, infernal dukes, and malebranche (and demon lords, four horsemen, great old ones, etc.) by default anyway, so it's fundamentally a moot point on that front. If Asmodeus being on the restricted list makes him non-viable, Dispater isn't going to be an option either, regardless of his alignment/sanctification allowances.</p>PossibleCabbage wrote:I mean, if you want to be a character in PF2e who has ties to hell and is interested in upholding laws and ending threats to a stable society, but isn't a terrible person then Dispater is right there. He was the Archdevil in 2e that granted spells to LN people and his edicts are basically "Uphold law, perfect your surroundings, be refined" while his anathema are "act above your station, let your guard down, betray a lover." A follower of Dispater would want to make their...Veltharis2023-11-26T02:41:08ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=10?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#4912023-11-25T07:21:01Z2023-11-25T07:11:32Z<p>Don't worry... With my luck, Asmodeus will end up biting it when the whole War of Immortals storyline finally goes down anyway.</p>Don't worry... With my luck, Asmodeus will end up biting it when the whole War of Immortals storyline finally goes down anyway.Veltharis2023-11-25T07:11:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=10?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#4862023-11-25T05:21:01Z2023-11-25T05:18:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote>Heck, so far as I can tell, the option to "revere" a deity rather than worship them hasn't been reintroduced with Player Core 1, and given that PFS has now put Asmodeus fully on the Restricted (i.e. Banned) list since PC1 release and seems to be in the process of revising their section on religion in the character creation guidelines, I'm not convinced I can even skirt around the issue by playing a non-cleric anymore.</blockquote><p>A minor point, but PC1 does specify two distinct degrees of worship:
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">PC1 p35 wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Deities
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<b>Anyone can worship a deity, but those who do so devoutly</b> should take care to pursue the faith’s edicts (behaviors the faith encourages) and avoid its anathemas (actions considered blasphemous, and could cause a god to revoke their blessings).</blockquote>AFAICT worship has become "devoutly worship" and reverence/veneration has become "not-so-devout worship." </blockquote><p>Which is all fine and good (although it does force the character in question to now be non-devout, when she was previously very devout, just focused on a less prominent aspect of the faith), but still depends on how PFS ultimately decides to handle things when they finalize the changes to religion - Asmodeus is on the Restricted list now, which could very well mean PCs can't even revere him in PFS anymore.
<p>All of this would be significantly less of an issue if I had a home group, but alas, I do not...</p>Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:Veltharis wrote:Heck, so far as I can tell, the option to "revere" a deity rather than worship them hasn't been reintroduced with Player Core 1, and given that PFS has now put Asmodeus fully on the Restricted (i.e. Banned) list since PC1 release and seems to be in the process of revising their section on religion in the character creation guidelines, I'm not convinced I can even skirt around the issue by playing a non-cleric anymore.
A minor point, but PC1 does specify two...Veltharis2023-11-25T05:18:35ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=10?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#4842023-11-25T05:41:02Z2023-11-25T04:41:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Captain Morgan wrote:</div><blockquote><p>All right, cool, wasn't aware of that trait. Mechanically it seems easy enough to emulate with Demon Lore.</p>
<p>I think I'm confused about what changed though, because PF1 demons didn't have a weakness to good, lawful, or holy in the first place. Is the complaint that you no longer have spells like Arrow or Law or Order's Wrath which deal extra damage to outsiders? Is that basically analogous to the good/holy weakness to you? If so... I guess yeah, you lost a damage gain on those very specific spells against semons in exchange for them now working better on almost every other creature in the game. And you've still got Needle Darts and Clad in Metal if you really want options to do extra damage to demons. Divine Decree and Banishment still banish demons the same regardless of who casts them.</p>
<p>Thematically, I don't play PFS but it sounds to me like whether you worship Asmodeus has no mechanical impact to this character and you can just... Do it? Your powers never came from the Prince anyway, and we have no reason to think oracles or sorcerers will need to be Sanctified based on their choice of deity, so the old alignment stuff is irrelevant. I feel like this guy would have to worship in secret anyway, at least if he was trying to participate in the Pathfinder Society. I'd feel pretty weird about adventuring with someone who openly worshipped a god of slavery and oppression.</blockquote><p>The point is that I had a character concept that I love a great deal that relied on Law vs. Chaos as a narrative element in order to work on multiple levels, and the removal of Law vs. Chaos as a mechanical consideration combined with the deliberate refocusing of Asmodeus and his faith squarely on the holy/unholy conflict makes me feel like the character concept is no longer supported by either the setting narrative or the game system.
<p>Yes, in the grand scheme of things it's a relatively minor damage loss and I have other tools I can work with - I can jury rig with the best of them. But I can't jury rig my way past "the god your character worships canonically doesn't support the cause you pursue in their name (even though they implicitly did in the previous edition)" and "no matter what, your character would fundamentally be more effective at what they do if you redesigned them from the ground up to be something/someone else", especially in something like PFS that doesn't support homebrew.</p>
<p>As to openly worshiping Asmodeus, that was on some level the point - it's part of what made the character fun for me. She was from Cheliax (as you could probably guess), and that's precisely why she was Lawful Neutral (well, also because LN was the only playable option for an Asmodeus follower) and focused on a threat that gave her common cause to work with others, particularly since she was originally built in the run up to the PFS season that tied into Wrath of the Righteous. I wasn't looking to make the other players uncomfortable, I wasn't proselytizing to the party, and I certainly wasn't touching the topic of slavery with a thousand-foot pole (character wasn't a supporter of the practice regardless), I just enjoyed playing an unorthodox character as a primary healer and getting the side-eye from the paladin every once in a while (usually after I healed him back from unconsciousness).</p>Captain Morgan wrote:All right, cool, wasn't aware of that trait. Mechanically it seems easy enough to emulate with Demon Lore.
I think I'm confused about what changed though, because PF1 demons didn't have a weakness to good, lawful, or holy in the first place. Is the complaint that you no longer have spells like Arrow or Law or Order's Wrath which deal extra damage to outsiders? Is that basically analogous to the good/holy weakness to you? If so... I guess yeah, you lost a damage gain on...Veltharis2023-11-25T04:41:09ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=10?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#4822023-11-25T04:21:01Z2023-11-25T03:47:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Captain Morgan wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Correct. And why would it? It isn't like Asmodeus is at war with the Abyss or that demons were ever weak to lawful compared to good. And "any case where sanctification matters" is basically spells like Unholy Blight or Divine Wrath that wouldn't have done extra damage previously either. (I can't remember if you could cast good tagged spell as a neutral cleric or Asmodeus in PF1, but come on, you gotta admit it would be silly if you could.)</p>
<p>Near as I can tell you can play the same class with the same mechanical interactions as always, or you can use a cold iron sword to hit demon weaknesses. Thaumaturge also feels very appropriate for the sort of gaming of the cosmic system you talk about.</blockquote><p>I built my entire character around the Asmodean Demon Hunter religion trait, which is all about being someone raised in the faith of Asmodeus who focuses their religious fervor on the elimination of demons. It was published multiple times in 1e (Advanced Player's Guide, Ultimate Campaign, Cheliax: Empire of Devils), which gave the implication, perhaps unintended, that there was some segment of the faith of Asmodeus dedicated to hunting demons. That plus the existence of the various Hellknight orders pretty much served to kickstart the entire character concept - yes, I pulled from other influences, notably my love of Planescape and its Blood War, but I felt that there was sufficient Pathfinder-specific narrative support for the concept to get it off the ground. Just as importantly, it provided a justification for why my Asmodeus worshiper might be willing to work with others of very different backgrounds, religions, and ideologies - she had a mission that was more important to her than butting heads with the paladin over matters of Good vs. Evil. Leaning into Law vs. Chaos is what made the character work.
<p>She was a divine caster, and while I couldn't cast good aligned spells due to being an Asmodeus follower, pretty much every PF1 spell that specifically keyed off of alignment had a version for Good, Evil, Lawful, and Chaotic. It's not a huge number of spells (and far from the character's full arsenal), but I got quite a bit of use out of spells like Protection from Chaos, Arrow of Law, Order's Wrath, and Dictum, all of which effect either "chaotic" or "nonlawful" targets, meaning they generally worked just fine against demons. Damage reduction keyed off of good is/was primarily an issue for weapon users in 1e, because spells ignore damage reduction, being covered instead by resistances, immunities, SR, etc.</p>
<p>2e turned turned "deal X damage to a chaotic target" into "deal X law damage to a target", then turned DR/good into a weakness to good damage applied across the board, meaning good damage now always outperforms law damage in this particular scenario, and the remaster followed suit with how it handles weakness to holy. So far as I can see, I now have no way to trigger a demon's weaknesses without redesigning my character concept from the ground up, either into a weapon user wielding something cold iron or a caster capable of using holy spells. Thaumaturge is an admittedly interesting option, but it's still primarily a weapon user, and falls into the proverbial "bard trap" of me not feeling comfortable playing a character explicitly built around technobabbling a reason why my attacks should trigger an enemy's weaknesses when I'm not confident in my ability to convincingly technobabble on the fly.</p>
<p>And with Asmodeus only allowing LE worshipers as of 2e, and now being defined by unholy sanctification in the remaster, it seems as though any narrative room for an Asmodeus follower that cares about something other than Good vs. Evil above all else has been thrown out the proverbial window. Fundamentally, both the narrative and mechanical framework my character was built on feel as though they've been largely stripped away, or at the very least left on the backburner for the foreseeable future, and that's well before getting into the fact that basically all of my playtime has been in PFS, which puts further restrictions on my options. Not that I've been able to find a group, PFS or otherwise, since moving back to central Arkansas...</p>
<p>Heck, so far as I can tell, the option to "revere" a deity rather than worship them hasn't been reintroduced with Player Core 1, and given that PFS has now put Asmodeus fully on the Restricted (i.e. Banned) list since PC1 release and seems to be in the process of revising their section on religion in the character creation guidelines, I'm not convinced I can even skirt around the issue by playing a non-cleric anymore.</p>Captain Morgan wrote:Correct. And why would it? It isn't like Asmodeus is at war with the Abyss or that demons were ever weak to lawful compared to good. And "any case where sanctification matters" is basically spells like Unholy Blight or Divine Wrath that wouldn't have done extra damage previously either. (I can't remember if you could cast good tagged spell as a neutral cleric or Asmodeus in PF1, but come on, you gotta admit it would be silly if you could.)
Near as I can tell you can play...Veltharis2023-11-25T03:47:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=10?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#4522023-11-22T05:08:45Z2023-11-22T04:57:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Used to play an Asmodean demon hunter in 1e PFS. Haven't picked up Player Core 1 yet (it's on my list), but is there any way to specialize in that sort of thing (demon hunting) without basically requiring holy sanctification now?</p>
<p>Generally a moot point, given that Asmodeus-worshipers require unholy sanctification (which other unholy creatures would be unaffected by at best and resistant to at worst) and just flat out aren't playable in 2e PFS as a result, but I'd like to know if there's any room for that "Law vs. Chaos/Evil vs. Evil" concept within the game system anymore or if it's been completely shut down. </blockquote>I wanted to address a misconception here. By default unholy creatures shouldn't be immune to spirit damage that happens to be unholy, they just don't suffer bonus damage. There are probably a variety of effects which selectively deal no damage "same team" entities, but by default I think an unholy spirit damage spell should still affect anything that has a spirit, holy or unholy.</blockquote><p>That was my understanding as well - perhaps I just phrased it poorly...
<p>In the best case scenario based on the sanctification rules as I understand them, an unholy sanctified character would get no benefit whatsoever when fighting other unholy creatures - their spells/abilities that key off of sanctification would be at most exactly as effective as if they were unsanctified, which is to say less effective than someone who is holy sanctified in basically any case where sanctification matters.</p>Sibelius Eos Owm wrote:Veltharis wrote:Used to play an Asmodean demon hunter in 1e PFS. Haven't picked up Player Core 1 yet (it's on my list), but is there any way to specialize in that sort of thing (demon hunting) without basically requiring holy sanctification now?
Generally a moot point, given that Asmodeus-worshipers require unholy sanctification (which other unholy creatures would be unaffected by at best and resistant to at worst) and just flat out aren't playable in 2e PFS as a...Veltharis2023-11-22T04:57:41ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=9?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#4392023-11-22T00:19:35Z2023-11-22T00:07:07Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:</div><blockquote> What makes you think Asmodeus-worshippers require unholy sanctification? So far only clerics and (we presume) champions may require sanctification, and not even all of them. Regular worshippers certainly don't. </blockquote><p>Fair enough, I guess. The 1e character in question was a divine caster, so I suppose I'm somewhat stuck in that mindset...
<p>It was an oracle rather than a cleric, but the character drank the proverbial Asmodeus kool-aid in a way that was allowed back in 1e (LN alignment), but has since been removed as an option, and I'm not especially interested in the "How to circumvent deity alignment/sanctification requirements on a technicality for fun and profit" dance when considering if/how I might revisit her using the current ruleset.</p>
<p>And on that front, the options available to me seem limited to nonexistent at the moment - though again, not fully up to date on the remaster ruleset as of yet.</p>Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:What makes you think Asmodeus-worshippers require unholy sanctification? So far only clerics and (we presume) champions may require sanctification, and not even all of them. Regular worshippers certainly don't.
Fair enough, I guess. The 1e character in question was a divine caster, so I suppose I'm somewhat stuck in that mindset... It was an oracle rather than a cleric, but the character drank the proverbial Asmodeus kool-aid in a way that was allowed back in 1e (LN...Veltharis2023-11-22T00:07:07ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=9?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#4262023-11-21T21:58:45Z2023-11-21T21:20:39Z<p>Used to play an Asmodean demon hunter in 1e PFS. Haven't picked up Player Core 1 yet (it's on my list), but is there any way to specialize in that sort of thing (demon hunting) without basically requiring holy sanctification now?</p>
<p>Generally a moot point, given that Asmodeus-worshipers require unholy sanctification (which other unholy creatures would be unaffected by at best and resistant to at worst) and just flat out aren't playable in 2e PFS as a result, but I'd like to know if there's any room for that "Law vs. Chaos/Evil vs. Evil" concept within the game system anymore or if it's been completely shut down.</p>Used to play an Asmodean demon hunter in 1e PFS. Haven't picked up Player Core 1 yet (it's on my list), but is there any way to specialize in that sort of thing (demon hunting) without basically requiring holy sanctification now?
Generally a moot point, given that Asmodeus-worshipers require unholy sanctification (which other unholy creatures would be unaffected by at best and resistant to at worst) and just flat out aren't playable in 2e PFS as a result, but I'd like to know if there's any...Veltharis2023-11-21T21:20:39ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: How often do you use Golarion?Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43w9t?How-often-do-you-use-Golarion#162023-10-27T23:43:01Z2023-10-27T19:25:58Z<p>Last time I played in Golarion was when I still played PFS, which came to an end a few years before PF2E became a thing - primarily due to moving to an area which turned out to be something of a desert in terms of finding any kind of organized play TTRPG games. I essentially haven't been able to find a local group of any kind since.</p>
<p>I have nothing against Golarion and do try to keep up with what's going on in the setting, but my preferred settings tend to be Planescape and Eberron, so unless I have a reason to be playing in Golarion (i.e. an active game), I'm generally coming at it from a "What can I steal/adapt from this?" angle.</p>Last time I played in Golarion was when I still played PFS, which came to an end a few years before PF2E became a thing - primarily due to moving to an area which turned out to be something of a desert in terms of finding any kind of organized play TTRPG games. I essentially haven't been able to find a local group of any kind since.
I have nothing against Golarion and do try to keep up with what's going on in the setting, but my preferred settings tend to be Planescape and Eberron, so unless...Veltharis2023-10-27T19:25:58ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Who's It Gonna Be? (BIG SPOILERS for Paizo Keynote Panel)Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43urg&page=6?Whos-It-Gonna-Be#2962023-09-21T03:05:03Z2023-09-20T03:15:14Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">David knott 242 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Aristophanes wrote:</div><blockquote> If it is Asmodeus, was he wise enough to put contingency clauses in all his contracts, or was he arrogant enough to believe he was invincible. </blockquote>What deity would plan for his own demise? He certainly would not want to make things easier for the survivors if something did happen to him.</blockquote><p>A deity who knows (or has sufficient reason to believe) that their demise is unavoidable and has goals they want achieved even if they cannot see it done themselves.
<p>I mean, it's easy enough to imagine a good deity defending some dangerous artifact to put plans in place to have said artifact moved to the protection of an ally in the event of their death, or kept out of reach of those who would misuse it, at a minimum.</p>
<p>If the deity in question is well known as a Machiavellian schemer and they <b>don't</b> have plans specifically designed to go into motion upon their death, then what are they even doing?</p>David knott 242 wrote:Aristophanes wrote: If it is Asmodeus, was he wise enough to put contingency clauses in all his contracts, or was he arrogant enough to believe he was invincible.
What deity would plan for his own demise? He certainly would not want to make things easier for the survivors if something did happen to him.A deity who knows (or has sufficient reason to believe) that their demise is unavoidable and has goals they want achieved even if they cannot see it done themselves. I...Veltharis2023-09-20T03:15:14ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: RIP official Law/Chaos ChampionVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43u01&page=5?RIP-official-LawChaos-Champion#2232023-09-05T23:40:19Z2023-09-05T22:49:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">David knott 242 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Calliope5431 wrote:</div><blockquote> 3. Neutrality as balance. This is the Gygaxian approach, and as such is pretty much axiomatically a bad idea. This is the "I saved three kittens last week, so I need to kick a puppy tomorrow or I'll become too Good." These are the people who sign on to promote Hellish invasions in order to serve "the great balance between good and evil". This is dumb. </blockquote><p>I would agree about neutrality on the good/evil axis — actively balancing good and evil is really just a complicated version of evil.
<p>But actively balancing law and chaos to some extent is absolutely necessary for the survival and sanity of sapient beings.
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</blockquote><p>I really like the interpretation that FFXIV goes for with it's central "Light vs. Dark" conflict, where Darkness is fundamentally differing expressions of chaos, activity, growth, etc. and Light is order, stasis, stagnancy, etc.
<p>Light and Darkness are often colloquially equated with Good and Evil in universe, particularly early on since your Warrior of Light (player character) and their allies are implicitly backed by Hydaelyn, the goddess of light, while some of your biggest opposition are a cabal of dark-magic wielding sorcerers dedicated to reviving their god of darkness Zodiark, but the Shadowbringers expansion in particular makes it abundantly clear that they're really more properly equated to Order and Chaos, and that not only are both necessary for a world to thrive but either one taken to the extreme can have apocalyptic, world-ending consequences.</p>David knott 242 wrote:Calliope5431 wrote: 3. Neutrality as balance. This is the Gygaxian approach, and as such is pretty much axiomatically a bad idea. This is the "I saved three kittens last week, so I need to kick a puppy tomorrow or I'll become too Good." These are the people who sign on to promote Hellish invasions in order to serve "the great balance between good and evil". This is dumb.
I would agree about neutrality on the good/evil axis -- actively balancing good and evil is really...Veltharis2023-09-05T22:49:11ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: RIP official Law/Chaos ChampionVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43u01&page=5?RIP-official-LawChaos-Champion#2052023-09-05T12:22:38Z2023-09-05T11:47:07Z<p>Fundamentally, this is just a personal issue for me - I get that. I made the mistake of getting too attached to my primary 1e PFS character and thus haven't taken it well that 2e seems bound and determined to chip away her core character concept one option at a time.</p>Fundamentally, this is just a personal issue for me - I get that. I made the mistake of getting too attached to my primary 1e PFS character and thus haven't taken it well that 2e seems bound and determined to chip away her core character concept one option at a time.Veltharis2023-09-05T11:47:07ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: RIP official Law/Chaos ChampionVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43u01&page=4?RIP-official-LawChaos-Champion#1702023-09-04T22:40:36Z2023-09-04T16:37:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote><p>> like some Shoanti peacefully protesting the theft of their ancestral lands.</p>
<p>Seriously? </blockquote><p>Is it not an apt example? You said it yourself: They're explicitly evil petty colonizers.
<p>Again, not saying they need to be recast as good guys, just that even bad guys have reason to fight other bad guys from time to time.</p>Rysky wrote:> like some Shoanti peacefully protesting the theft of their ancestral lands.
Seriously?
Is it not an apt example? You said it yourself: They're explicitly evil petty colonizers. Again, not saying they need to be recast as good guys, just that even bad guys have reason to fight other bad guys from time to time.Veltharis2023-09-04T16:37:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: RIP official Law/Chaos ChampionVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43u01&page=4?RIP-official-LawChaos-Champion#1672023-09-04T16:37:04Z2023-09-04T15:02:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote>Correct, Heroic Hellknights are the exception, not the norm. Order of the Torrent and Pike are very small HK orders for example. </blockquote><p>I'm not saying they need to necessarily be characterized as heroic. I'm saying I'd like them to take a more active stance in the face of existential threats and not be left sitting on their laurels every time they're not actively oppressing someone for plot purposes.
<p>If Mokmurian's army of giants in Rise of the Runelords had lasted long enough to threaten Korvosa, I'd expect the Order of the Nail to suit up to fight against them too, not just sit back and cry "Not my jurisdiction" while they await a call that's actually worthy of their full fury, like some Shoanti peacefully protesting the theft of their ancestral lands.</p>Rysky wrote:Correct, Heroic Hellknights are the exception, not the norm. Order of the Torrent and Pike are very small HK orders for example.
I'm not saying they need to necessarily be characterized as heroic. I'm saying I'd like them to take a more active stance in the face of existential threats and not be left sitting on their laurels every time they're not actively oppressing someone for plot purposes. If Mokmurian's army of giants in Rise of the Runelords had lasted long enough to...Veltharis2023-09-04T15:02:11ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: RIP official Law/Chaos ChampionVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43u01&page=4?RIP-official-LawChaos-Champion#1572023-09-04T16:16:50Z2023-09-03T21:55:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote>House Thrune was being diplomatic with Arushalae, sending envoys, this was revealed in the Pathfinder Tale King of Chaos. Also everyone else expending resources was good for them.</blockquote><p>I have no issue with them opting to focus on a soft power approach and having ulterior motives, I take issue with the fact that their actions are pretty much invisible unless you happen to have read that particular novel.
<p>And also the idea that not committing resources to support the Fifth Crusade so as to force everyone else to overcommit is somehow a smart strategy when it risks the Fifth Crusade failing and allowing a horde of demonic locusts to ravage unchecked across northern Avistan.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Hellknights it was on a order by order basis, the fact of the matter of being a generalist who opposes chaos is a PC thing, not a standard Hellknight thing. Hellknights for the most part stick to their areas and deal with lawbreakers that fall under their Order.</blockquote><p>Right, because the Hellknight orders are treated like brutal local law enforcement to heroically rebel against rather than quasi-independent paramilitary forces that might have cause to mobilize against large enough multinational threats.Rysky wrote:House Thrune was being diplomatic with Arushalae, sending envoys, this was revealed in the Pathfinder Tale King of Chaos. Also everyone else expending resources was good for them.
I have no issue with them opting to focus on a soft power approach and having ulterior motives, I take issue with the fact that their actions are pretty much invisible unless you happen to have read that particular novel. And also the idea that not committing resources to support the Fifth Crusade so as...Veltharis2023-09-03T21:55:24ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: RIP official Law/Chaos ChampionVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43u01&page=4?RIP-official-LawChaos-Champion#1532023-09-03T21:11:23Z2023-09-03T21:05:07Z<p>Honestly, rather than Holy and Unholy mapping to Good and Evil, I'd rather they just map to "My faith" and "The enemies of my faith" respectively.</p>
<p>Each god, religion, and/or appropriately smite-y organization lists a few categories of its traditional enemies (followers of specific gods, creature categories, etc.) and smite-the-heathen types get bonuses against them but they also get bonuses against you.</p>Honestly, rather than Holy and Unholy mapping to Good and Evil, I'd rather they just map to "My faith" and "The enemies of my faith" respectively.
Each god, religion, and/or appropriately smite-y organization lists a few categories of its traditional enemies (followers of specific gods, creature categories, etc.) and smite-the-heathen types get bonuses against them but they also get bonuses against you.Veltharis2023-09-03T21:05:07ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: RIP official Law/Chaos ChampionVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43u01&page=4?RIP-official-LawChaos-Champion#1522023-09-04T16:15:57Z2023-09-03T19:31:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Temperans wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote> I spent all of Wrath of the Righteous and the corresponding PFS Season 5 hoping that we'd at least get the option of marching an army of Hellknights into the Worldwound, but alas... </blockquote><p>So much book space was devoted to Hellknights who are all about Law.
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So much book space devoted to Firebrands who are very chaotic.</p>
<p>But support for Law and Chaos? Apparently adding 2 more santification options is too much. </blockquote><p>Upholding Law was more important to Hellknights than dealing Law damage. Wtf is an Order of the Pike HK gonna do with Law damage?
<p>Chaos damage would be completely useless to Firebrands. </blockquote><p>My Hellknight back in 1e was an Asmodean demon hunter - she was primarily a caster rather than a smiting-in-melee type, but I got quite a lot of use out of spells and abilities that were keyed against chaos in some way, and even then I went into the Worldwound in PFS season 5 and got variations on the "It says you need Protection From Evil to defend against this. -> Would Protection From Chaos work? -> Nope, roll a saving throw." talk several times.
<p>The loss of Law/Chaos sanctification options is annoying, but it's more indicative of the lack of narrative support for Law/Chaos stories that don't also have a clear Good/Evil angle that can take primacy.</p>
<p>I've never understood why the Hellknight Orders and Cheliax more generally weren't more involved in the Fifth Crusade (particularly on the PFS side of things), except that the story they wanted to tell was Good vs. Evil and there was no room for anything else. So they just left Cheliax and the Hellknights on the shelf and offered up the excuse that letting the goody-two-shoes crusaders do all the work (and take all the losses) was somehow a more "clever" way to address the sudden expansion of a world-threatening demonic invasion that just managed to break the one thing that was holding it in check, despite the fact that doing so just emboldened others of the same faith to start up the Glorious Reclamation a few years down the road, leading to having to put down a civil war within Cheliax itself and the secession of Ravounel. Oh look at that, more Good vs. Evil stories.</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Good vs. Evil stories, by any means. I just want more angles to work with, and everything involving Cheliax/Hellknights/etc. invariably get reduced down to Good vs. Evil, even if there are other interesting stories that could be explored. It's always either the heroic rebels fighting against tyranny or the tyrants suppressing the heroic rebellion.</p>Rysky wrote:Temperans wrote: Veltharis wrote: I spent all of Wrath of the Righteous and the corresponding PFS Season 5 hoping that we'd at least get the option of marching an army of Hellknights into the Worldwound, but alas...
So much book space was devoted to Hellknights who are all about Law.
So much book space devoted to Firebrands who are very chaotic.But support for Law and Chaos? Apparently adding 2 more santification options is too much. Upholding Law was more important to...Veltharis2023-09-03T19:31:29ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: RIP official Law/Chaos ChampionVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43u01&page=3?RIP-official-LawChaos-Champion#1342023-09-03T02:51:58Z2023-09-03T02:23:17Z<p>I spent all of Wrath of the Righteous and the corresponding PFS Season 5 hoping that we'd at least get the option of marching an army of Hellknights into the Worldwound, but alas...</p>I spent all of Wrath of the Righteous and the corresponding PFS Season 5 hoping that we'd at least get the option of marching an army of Hellknights into the Worldwound, but alas...Veltharis2023-09-03T02:23:17ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: New classes, what could they beVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43v7c&page=11?New-classes-what-could-they-be#5022023-09-01T18:18:15Z2023-09-01T17:29:11Z<p>Exemplar's really giving me FFXIV/XVI mortal-as-vessel-for-a-primal/eikon vibes...</p>Exemplar's really giving me FFXIV/XVI mortal-as-vessel-for-a-primal/eikon vibes...Veltharis2023-09-01T17:29:11ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: New classes, what could they beVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43v7c&page=8?New-classes-what-could-they-be#3602023-09-01T13:49:58Z2023-09-01T01:28:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Zaister wrote:</div><blockquote>I have no idea who Sun Wukong is, but Hercules sounds like someone who should be on a totally different power curve than anybody else, and to me this simply doesn’t make any sense as a class balanced against the other classes. </blockquote><p>Sun Wukong is the Monkey King from the Chinese epic Journey to the West - i.e. the inspiration behind Son Goku of Dragonball fame.
<p>He's definitely in a comparable mythological "weight class" to Heracles.</p>Zaister wrote:I have no idea who Sun Wukong is, but Hercules sounds like someone who should be on a totally different power curve than anybody else, and to me this simply doesn’t make any sense as a class balanced against the other classes.
Sun Wukong is the Monkey King from the Chinese epic Journey to the West - i.e. the inspiration behind Son Goku of Dragonball fame. He's definitely in a comparable mythological "weight class" to Heracles.Veltharis2023-09-01T01:28:58ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: New classes, what could they beVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43v7c&page=7?New-classes-what-could-they-be#3492023-09-01T00:50:13Z2023-09-01T00:42:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Lurker in Insomnia wrote:</div><blockquote>Or... was it Orion who shot at Apollo's chariot and he swung down to see what was up?</blockquote><p>My Greek mythology is admittedly weak, but I think that might have been Heracles during one of his twelve labors...Lurker in Insomnia wrote:Or... was it Orion who shot at Apollo's chariot and he swung down to see what was up?
My Greek mythology is admittedly weak, but I think that might have been Heracles during one of his twelve labors...Veltharis2023-09-01T00:42:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: Adapting APs for EberronVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2prc6&page=3?Adapting-APs-for-Eberron#1072023-08-11T01:41:33Z2023-08-11T01:36:30Z<p>I have a lot of ideas on how to covert Curse of the Crimson Throne to Eberron, mostly coalescing around a straightforward "Korvosa-as-minor-city-state" version and a more expansive "Korvosa-as-Breland" version, which I gave a surface level overview of in a post earlier in the thread.</p>
<p>In general, I like the conceit of "Korvosa-as-Breland" a bit more despite it being a far more involved project, but I've actually been doing more work on the more "straightforward" version of late, for reasons that actually have little to do with CotCT itself.</p>
<p>Namely I've been working on an Eberron Savage Tide conversion as a personal project for some time, and to my eternal frustration, I cannot help but integrate more and more material into it when I find them thematically relevant and/or useful for fleshing out various story elements. It's absolutely massive at this point - I think the most streamlined version of the outline at present incorporates material from at least six different adventure paths/modules on top of the original STAP - to the point where it's pretty much just a writing exercise rather than something I could ever hope to actually run, but in the interest of making the initial hub city of Sasserine more relevant and relevant for longer, I've been blending in story elements from CotCT's Korvosa and Green Ronin's Freeport.</p>
<p>While my version of Sasserine/Korvosa isn't a part of Q'barra, I have it located nearby on Dreadwood Isle, the southernmost island in the Lhazaar Principalities just across Tempest Straight, and there are a number of story connections I've made to Q'barra as well, so the version you're working on with Korvosa-as-Newthrone isn't all that far off from some of the stuff I've been doing, despite you being substantially more sane and not succumbing to the allure of scope creep like me.</p>I have a lot of ideas on how to covert Curse of the Crimson Throne to Eberron, mostly coalescing around a straightforward "Korvosa-as-minor-city-state" version and a more expansive "Korvosa-as-Breland" version, which I gave a surface level overview of in a post earlier in the thread.
In general, I like the conceit of "Korvosa-as-Breland" a bit more despite it being a far more involved project, but I've actually been doing more work on the more "straightforward" version of late, for reasons...Veltharis2023-08-11T01:36:30ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: For those who enjoy guessing the future of Paizo products...Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43pr9&page=18?For-those-who-enjoy-guessing-the-future-of#8692024-02-12T21:01:29Z2023-08-10T21:38:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Temperans wrote:</div><blockquote>Literally any of the archdevils have a higher chance of getting that throne if Asmodeus falls. Heck even hell itself has a higher chance of getting that throne rather than Abrogail II. Cheliax is important to Golarion, it is not that important to hell or Asmodeus. </blockquote><p>Again, not talking about Abrogail somehow coming out on top in an infernal war of succession.
<p>I'm looking at it more as a scenario where the contract between House Thrune and Asmodeus included a provision where rulership of Hell would be turned over to the head of House Thrune in the event of Asmodeus' death, and Asmodeus, timelessly immortal and with zero reason to even remotely expect the possibility of House Thrune somehow outlasting him, agreed to it and used it as leverage for better terms elsewhere in the contract.</p>
<p>Then, Asmodeus unexpectedly bites it in the upcoming god-war due to the actions of Sarenrae/Iomedae/whomever, and Abrogail's claim to the infernal throne suddenly becomes tangible. The archdevils split over whether to treat her as an illegitimate usurper to be ousted or trying to use her as a puppet ruler while they serve as the powers behind the throne, and meanwhile Abby has to play them off one another to secure her position while she works to build up the strength to operate at a divine/planar level.</p>
<p>It's a hypothetical, sure, but it seems like a turn of events that keeps Cheliax somewhat stable while also significantly shaking things up for Hell in potentially interesting ways, at least to me - more so than just killing Asmodeus and passing the throne of Hell to Mephistopheles because he's next in line would.</p>Temperans wrote:Literally any of the archdevils have a higher chance of getting that throne if Asmodeus falls. Heck even hell itself has a higher chance of getting that throne rather than Abrogail II. Cheliax is important to Golarion, it is not that important to hell or Asmodeus.
Again, not talking about Abrogail somehow coming out on top in an infernal war of succession. I'm looking at it more as a scenario where the contract between House Thrune and Asmodeus included a provision where...Veltharis2023-08-10T21:38:18ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: For those who enjoy guessing the future of Paizo products...Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43pr9&page=18?For-those-who-enjoy-guessing-the-future-of#8642023-08-10T19:21:31Z2023-08-10T18:46:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Temperans wrote:</div><blockquote><p>That reads like bad story telling.</p>
<p>A very powerful lich with who knows how much time spent planning to kill Aroden (a human god) failed. But Queen Abrogail who at most has live 70 years is going to kill the literal king of hell?</p>
<p>You do not just kill a god. Much less one of the rulers of an entire major plane with mortal hands. Heck even the good elemental lords were mearly captured and you want some random queen to do better? </blockquote><p>Never said she had to be the one to kill Asmodeus - that can be the work of another god or something else of similar scope.
<p>Just entertaining the idea that, if he were to somehow die, perhaps Abrogail has worked herself into a contractual position to "inherit" rulership of Hell from him. From there it would just be a matter of holding it, and that certainly doesn't have to be a sure thing. I'm all for Hell being divided between multiple factions in some state of war (be it hot or cold) with one another.</p>
<p>Let her acquire godhood in some fashion ("inherited" from Asmodeus as well, a trip to the Starstone, etc.) and just enough alliances with other archdevils to nominally hold on to control while she works to entrench herself and begin converting the faithful of Asmodeus over to herself to build up her divine powerbase, and that's really all that's necessary.</p>
<p>Cheliax gets to keep its status as the "Hell nation" and has a newly-ascended god-queen to unify under, while Hell itself has much more room for internecine conflict under a new and untested ruler.</p>Temperans wrote:That reads like bad story telling.
A very powerful lich with who knows how much time spent planning to kill Aroden (a human god) failed. But Queen Abrogail who at most has live 70 years is going to kill the literal king of hell?
You do not just kill a god. Much less one of the rulers of an entire major plane with mortal hands. Heck even the good elemental lords were mearly captured and you want some random queen to do better?
Never said she had to be the one to kill...Veltharis2023-08-10T18:46:23ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: For those who enjoy guessing the future of Paizo products...Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43pr9&page=18?For-those-who-enjoy-guessing-the-future-of#8592023-08-11T19:09:30Z2023-08-10T17:47:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Saedar wrote:</div><blockquote> What if Abrogail figures out a way to snag divinity? Plenty of ways for mortals to become gods and maybe she's more clever than has been given credit. </blockquote><p>Wouldn't be against that...
<p>What better way to hammer home the "Cheliax doesn't serve Hell, Hell serves Cheliax" thing than for Queen Abrogail to somehow replace Asmodeus at the top of Hell's hierarchy and announce the addition of "a new province" to the Chelaxian Empire. Also goes a long way to make up for all the territory they've lost of late.</p>Saedar wrote:What if Abrogail figures out a way to snag divinity? Plenty of ways for mortals to become gods and maybe she's more clever than has been given credit.
Wouldn't be against that... What better way to hammer home the "Cheliax doesn't serve Hell, Hell serves Cheliax" thing than for Queen Abrogail to somehow replace Asmodeus at the top of Hell's hierarchy and announce the addition of "a new province" to the Chelaxian Empire. Also goes a long way to make up for all the territory...Veltharis2023-08-10T17:47:25ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: For those who enjoy guessing the future of Paizo products...Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43pr9&page=18?For-those-who-enjoy-guessing-the-future-of#8552023-09-01T12:07:14Z2023-08-10T16:52:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">keftiu wrote:</div><blockquote> I really do think Asmodeus has a target on his back, and I'm increasingly not sure Hell needs a deity representing it in the core pantheon.</blockquote><p>And what of Cheliax?
<p>Losing Asmodeus and not replacing him in the core pantheon functionally leaves Cheliax without a patron deity. The last time that happened, the nation was thrown into a decades-long civil war which gave rise to House Thrune, and we've only recently had another in the form of the Glorious Reclamation and the secession of Ravounel.</p>
<p>Unless the plan is to effectively cripple House Thrune and set the stage for someone to roll in and topple the entire regime, Cheliax needs Hell's backing, and fracturing the state worship of Asmodeus into worship of the 12+ other archdevils, general Diabolism, or turning them into a secular power isn't going to provide much of a unifying force when the Glorious Reclamation: Part Deux marches in backed by Iomedae, arguably the "rightful" patron goddess of Cheliax.</p>keftiu wrote:I really do think Asmodeus has a target on his back, and I'm increasingly not sure Hell needs a deity representing it in the core pantheon.
And what of Cheliax? Losing Asmodeus and not replacing him in the core pantheon functionally leaves Cheliax without a patron deity. The last time that happened, the nation was thrown into a decades-long civil war which gave rise to House Thrune, and we've only recently had another in the form of the Glorious Reclamation and the secession of...Veltharis2023-08-10T16:52:37ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Who's It Gonna Be? (BIG SPOILERS for Paizo Keynote Panel)Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43urg&page=3?Whos-It-Gonna-Be#1222023-08-13T02:31:44Z2023-08-05T13:22:26Z<p>From a narrative perspective, killing Asmodeus and throwing Hell into a succession crisis (to say nothing of the knock-on effects that will have on Cheliax) has a lot of story potential. I've been brainstorming something similar as a personal project back on the D&D side of things for some time•, so I certainly can't fault the idea.</p>
<p>As a player whose favorite PFS character was a 1E LN Chelaxian Flame Mystery Oracle of Asmodeus/Hellknight Signifer/Diabolist styled as a professional demon hunter who has watched 2e essentially axe various core aspects of that character as viable player options time and again (Asmodeus no longer allowing non-evil worshipers, oracles having their curse strictly tied to their mystery rather than being separate choices, the already minimal conflict between devils and demons and the broader conflict between Order and Chaos being completely sidelined in favor of Good vs. Evil at every turn), the (admittedly hypothetical) loss of Asmodeus feels like yet another gut punch and just further confirmation that I'll never be able to play that character again.</p>
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<p>•Though in my case, it's more of a situation where Asmodeus died in secret some time ago due to ancient unhealable wounds from his original fall (something he had known would happen for eons and had long since come to terms with) and the various members of the court of Nessus (Adramalech, Phongor, Martinet, Baalberith, etc.) have been doing what they can to keep Baator running according to the plans Asmodeus left to them without letting knowledge of his death leak to anyone beyond their inner circle out of a twisted sense of loyalty, their own ambitions for power, a fear of what will happen to them if/when the status quo crumbles, etc.</p>
<p>Only now, conflicts between the other Lords of Nine (Belial invading Stygia, Fierana promptly stabbing him in the back in a bid to fully come into her own as sole ruler of Phlegethos, Levistus using the chaos to finally escape his iceberg prison and setting his own bid for power into motion by calling in debts owed to him by Mephistopheles, etc.) are effectively kicking off the early stages of The Reckoning: Part Deux right as internal divisions (mainly between Adramalech and Phongor) are coming to a head and the whole thing is on the verge of falling apart at the seams.</p>From a narrative perspective, killing Asmodeus and throwing Hell into a succession crisis (to say nothing of the knock-on effects that will have on Cheliax) has a lot of story potential. I've been brainstorming something similar as a personal project back on the D&D side of things for some time*, so I certainly can't fault the idea.
As a player whose favorite PFS character was a 1E LN Chelaxian Flame Mystery Oracle of Asmodeus/Hellknight Signifer/Diabolist styled as a professional demon...Veltharis2023-08-05T13:22:26ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=7?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#3302023-06-01T00:25:28Z2023-06-01T00:25:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ed Reppert wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote>My Hellknight PC was not a Cleric, but an Oracle, which I know is available in its new form and doesn't actually have deity/alignment requirements, so on a technical level, I could rebuilt her in PF2E (until I wanted to replicate her levels in Diabolist, anyway).</blockquote>Out of curiosity, of which Hellknight Order was she a member? </blockquote><p>Order of the GateEd Reppert wrote:Veltharis wrote:My Hellknight PC was not a Cleric, but an Oracle, which I know is available in its new form and doesn't actually have deity/alignment requirements, so on a technical level, I could rebuilt her in PF2E (until I wanted to replicate her levels in Diabolist, anyway).
Out of curiosity, of which Hellknight Order was she a member? Order of the GateVeltharis2023-06-01T00:25:28ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: "Chaos" and "Law" in PF2RVeltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43t59&page=7?Chaos-and-Law-in-PF2R#3222023-05-31T20:15:30Z2023-05-31T19:10:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MMCJawa wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">PossibleCabbage wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">The Raven Black wrote:</div><blockquote> Also I am not sure we would have had Hellknights if the game had been focused on Holy vs Unholy from the beginning. </blockquote><p>I don't see why not. We're only keying on "Holy vs. Unholy" as a "cosmological conflict." There are plenty of terrestrial versions of chaos vs. law that don't need traits or energy types associated with them.
<p>Like what's the basic deal that leads us to Hellknights? Cheliax, the birthplaces of Aroden and Iomedae ends up aligning with Asmodeus at the end of a civil war following Aroden's death. "Aligning with the the literal devil" can't have possibly been a popular thing, so how do unpopular rulers maintain control over societies? Via authoritarianism.</p>
<p>So Cheliax was always going to be a sort of police state/security state. The Hellknights are just the expression of this. </blockquote><p>As someone whose favorite and most played PF1E PC was a Hellknight (Signifer) with the Asmodean Demon Hunter trait created for the PFS season tied into Wrath of the Righteous, I can't say I'm especially thrilled at being limited to just focusing on the "terrestrial versions of chaos vs. law".
<p>But then I can't play a LN Asmodean anymore, anyway. </blockquote>Without alignment though it might be possible to play a nontraditional follower of a god, as long as you are not a champion or cleric. </blockquote><p>Sorry, the "Can't play an LN Asmodean anymore" bit was force of habit - I know alignment is going out the door altogether and you can already play a character that "reveres" Asmodeus in PFS. There are plenty "nontraditional" angles one can take.
<p>Unfortunately, my old PFS Hellknight was as "traditional" an Asmodeus worshiping divine caster as could be made without an evil alignment, and with the advent of 2E, that's no longer an option<b>•</b>. Even with the remaster tossing out alignment, I fully expect Asmodeus will be among the gods that only accepts worshippers that are sanctified as unholy (or whatever the terminology ends up settling as) and that being sanctified as unholy will be off-limits in PFS and any table that bans evil PCs, putting people like me right back in the same position we're already in.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the implication is that my character doesn't really <b>count</b> as a follower of Asmodeus unless they are evil/unholy - I have to change the character to be a less true version of who they previously were in order to play them in PF2E. Even without alignment, I'm not expecting that to change, and with law vs. chaos being ditched, I can't even lean into smiting demons with order magic anymore.</p>
<p><b>•</b>This is, admittedly, not entirely true, at least on a technical level. My Hellknight PC was not a Cleric, but an Oracle, which I know is available in its new form and doesn't actually have deity/alignment requirements, so on a technical level, I <b>could</b> rebuilt her in PF2E (until I wanted to replicate her levels in Diabolist, anyway). It just doesn't evoke the same feeling anymore...</p>MMCJawa wrote:Veltharis wrote: PossibleCabbage wrote: The Raven Black wrote: Also I am not sure we would have had Hellknights if the game had been focused on Holy vs Unholy from the beginning.
I don't see why not. We're only keying on "Holy vs. Unholy" as a "cosmological conflict." There are plenty of terrestrial versions of chaos vs. law that don't need traits or energy types associated with them. Like what's the basic deal that leads us to Hellknights? Cheliax, the birthplaces of Aroden...Veltharis2023-05-31T19:10:41ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Monster Core Speculation: Who's In, Who's Out?Veltharishttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs43trm&page=2?Monster-Core-Speculation-Whos-In-Whos-Out#572023-05-31T17:12:29Z2023-05-31T17:08:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MMCJawa wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:</div><blockquote> Will we be losing the claddic devils and denons? </blockquote><p>That's going to be the big one I think. While the demon lords/archdevils are pretty safe, almost all the demons at least require a name change, if not more radical design.
<p>At least Paizo already kind started that process of taking those things away from their DnD roots back when 2E started </blockquote><p>Are the archdevils safe, though?
<p>Sure, their names are (mostly?) public domain and a nine-layered model of Hell is straight out of Dante, but "Asmodeus as the supreme devil-god ruling from the realm of Nessus at the bottom of a nine-layered Hell" has been 100% D&D from back in the 1E days, and if drow and OGL demon lords like Orcus are being considered too close for comfort, I'm not so sure a list of archdevils and layers of Hell that map pretty close to D&D's Nine Hells of Baator is going to pass muster.</p>
<p>Pathfinder Layers of Hell and ruling archdevils
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Avernus - Barbatos
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Dis - Dispater
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Erebus - Mammon
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Phlegethon - Belial
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Stygia - Geryon
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Malebolge - Moloch
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Cocytus - Baalzebul
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Caina - Mephistopheles
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Nessus - Asmodeus</p>
<p>1E D&D Layers of Hell and ruling archdevils
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Avernus - Tiamat (later Bel and Zariel)
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Dis - Dispater
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Minauros - Mammon
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Phlegethos - Belial (later Fierana/Fierna)
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Stygia - Geryon (later Levistus)
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Malbolge - Moloch (later the Hag Countess and Glasya)
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Maladomini - Baalzebul
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Cania (also spelled Caina) - Mephistopheles
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Nessus - Asmodeus</p>
<p>I have every confidence there will continue to be a tyrannical Hell dimension populated by devils for Cheliax to be associated with...
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I'm not so convinced it will still look all that much like Pathfinder's existing version of Hell.</p>MMCJawa wrote:Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote: Will we be losing the claddic devils and denons?
That's going to be the big one I think. While the demon lords/archdevils are pretty safe, almost all the demons at least require a name change, if not more radical design. At least Paizo already kind started that process of taking those things away from their DnD roots back when 2E started Are the archdevils safe, though? Sure, their names are (mostly?) public domain and a nine-layered model...Veltharis2023-05-31T17:08:36ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: GMAndrewW The Rasping Rebirth (Tier 12-15)Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivkuz/recruiting#72019-12-17T22:20:26Z2019-12-17T22:02:08Z<p>Haven't played Society in a good 4 and a half years, and never as a PbP, but this is almost too tempting to pass up.</p>
<p>I've got an Oracle that I played through EotT with that I would love to submit for your perusal, though I need to overhaul to her profile first, as most of the crunch is missing - always played in person, so never put too much into it. Also need to do an audit to make sure she's still AR legal.</p>
<p>Fair warning ahead of time: Imperia IS a Lawful Neutral Diabolist and Asmodeus follower, though you'll find she's probably the least antagonistic one around.</p>Haven't played Society in a good 4 and a half years, and never as a PbP, but this is almost too tempting to pass up.
I've got an Oracle that I played through EotT with that I would love to submit for your perusal, though I need to overhaul to her profile first, as most of the crunch is missing - always played in person, so never put too much into it. Also need to do an audit to make sure she's still AR legal.
Fair warning ahead of time: Imperia IS a Lawful Neutral Diabolist and Asmodeus...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2019-12-17T22:02:08ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: Pathfinder 1e Strange AeonsThomas of Edasseril (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivkpo/recruiting#292019-09-05T02:26:05Z2019-09-05T02:26:05Z<p>Veltharis here, with my submission: Thomas of Edasseril, Oracle of the Dark Tapestry.</p>
<p>Crunch is incomplete (need gear and might change up one of my feats), but wanted to give a bit of backstory. One side of it is deliberately missing for the moment, since I haven't finished writing it yet and want to keep it a bit secret for a while anyway...</p>Veltharis here, with my submission: Thomas of Edasseril, Oracle of the Dark Tapestry.
Crunch is incomplete (need gear and might change up one of my feats), but wanted to give a bit of backstory. One side of it is deliberately missing for the moment, since I haven't finished writing it yet and want to keep it a bit secret for a while anyway...Thomas of Edasseril (alias of Veltharis)2019-09-05T02:26:05ZRe: Forums: Advice: Looking for roleplay advice - Neutral Devil WorshipImperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ugr0?Looking-for-roleplay-advice-Neutral-Devil#152017-07-18T06:33:21Z2017-07-18T03:51:36Z<p>It obviously varies depending on how you want the character to play out, but I'd suggest trying to focus on the non-Evil aspects of their deity to build your character around.</p>
<p>As an example, my "main" PFS character (LN Oracle/Hellknight Signifer/Diabolist) was built with a Planescape Blood War-style Law-versus-Chaos mentality. She is a devout and unrepentant follower of Asmodeus, due in part to being raised in post-Thrune Ascendancy Cheliax, but styles herself primarily as a "demon hunter", far more concerned with threats such as the Worldwound than squabbling with well-meaning, but "misguided" (from her perspective) followers of Iomedae.</p>
<p>She is by-and-large rather zen about things, treating her LG counterparts with a light touch, patiently playing the long game, and generally acting with an <span class=messageboard-ooc>"I'll be here to guide you down the proper path when you're ready"</span> type of attitude. By contrast, demons and demon worshipers are put to the flame without hesitation.</p>
<p>Since she was designed, in part, to be a healer, her main focus on missions is keeping those in her care alive and well, supporting them with buffs and some anti-extraplanar standbys, and raining down hellfire (sometimes literally) on her foes, mainly in that order. Just because the paladin has been glaring at the imp on my shoulder all day is no excuse to let them die on my watch.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>It obviously varies depending on how you want the character to play out, but I'd suggest trying to focus on the non-Evil aspects of their deity to build your character around.
As an example, my "main" PFS character (LN Oracle/Hellknight Signifer/Diabolist) was built with a Planescape Blood War-style Law-versus-Chaos mentality. She is a devout and unrepentant follower of Asmodeus, due in part to being raised in post-Thrune Ascendancy Cheliax, but styles herself primarily as a "demon hunter",...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2017-07-18T03:51:36ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Noob questions about clerics.Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ualk?Noob-questions-about-clerics#222017-04-17T06:51:54Z2017-04-17T06:49:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Pirate Rob wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Additional Resources-Inner Sea Gods wrote:</div><blockquote>Gods: all of the gods listed in the appendix are legal choices except daemon harbingers, great old ones, infernal dukes, malebranche, nascent demon lords, orc deities, outer gods, qlippoth lords, and whore queens.</blockquote>Dispater is featured there and archdevils are not excluded. </blockquote><p>Huh... They must have pared that back at some point, because I could have sworn archdevils, demon lords, etc. weren't allowed.
<p>Oh well, nevermind then. It's been a while since I've had a chance to play in PFS, so I haven't been paying too much attention to AR updates.</p>Pirate Rob wrote:Additional Resources-Inner Sea Gods wrote:Gods: all of the gods listed in the appendix are legal choices except daemon harbingers, great old ones, infernal dukes, malebranche, nascent demon lords, orc deities, outer gods, qlippoth lords, and whore queens.
Dispater is featured there and archdevils are not excluded. Huh... They must have pared that back at some point, because I could have sworn archdevils, demon lords, etc. weren't allowed. Oh well, nevermind then. It's been a...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2017-04-17T06:49:45ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Noob questions about clerics.Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ualk?Noob-questions-about-clerics#202017-04-17T07:11:14Z2017-04-17T06:34:26Z<p>Not a Cleric, but my Oracle/Diabolist was/is a devout Asmodeus follower, with both the will and the capacity to rain hellfire down upon her foes.</p>
<p>At the same time, she served as a primary healer (main reason I went Oracle over Cleric was to sidestep the "evil deity = negative energy" issue), party face ("Why of course I'll speak with the bound angel to negotiate safe passage"), and general buffing and anti-extraplanar utility provider.</p>
<p>You can make nearly any deity work, but if you're going with an evil one, you need to do so with a light touch. There's certainly some room for inter-party friction - my Chelaxian Oracle and a friend's Taldan Cleric spent a fair amount of time trash-talking each other's nation on one mission, and the different factions and their viewpoints/goals are simply MADE for this. But at the end of the day, you just need to remember that you're part of a team, both in and out of game, and be mindful of the others at the table.</p>
<p>Just because the paladin keeps glaring at the imp on your shoulder, doesn't mean you have to be antagonistic about it. Paladins are just misguided souls that need time to accept the truth of the world. When they're ready, you'll be there to guide them back into the fold.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Pirate Rob wrote:</div><blockquote><p><a href="http://paizo.com/people/TavariusDesimire" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cleric 9/Diabolist 1</a> wirships Dispater
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</blockquote><p>As a fellow Diabolist player, I hate to have to say this, but I'm fairly sure the Archdevils aren't valid deity choices for PFS play...Not a Cleric, but my Oracle/Diabolist was/is a devout Asmodeus follower, with both the will and the capacity to rain hellfire down upon her foes.
At the same time, she served as a primary healer (main reason I went Oracle over Cleric was to sidestep the "evil deity = negative energy" issue), party face ("Why of course I'll speak with the bound angel to negotiate safe passage"), and general buffing and anti-extraplanar utility provider.
You can make nearly any deity work, but if you're going...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2017-04-17T06:34:26ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Awesome stories from your PFS characters?Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qghy&page=3?Awesome-stories-from-your-PFS-characters#1252015-09-30T00:42:14Z2015-09-30T00:42:14Z<p>Got a few, I suppose...</p>
<p>Imperia - my first, favorite, and highest level character by far - is a Chelaxian Oracle/Diabolist and a dyed-in-the-wool Asmodean, yet her primary role in the group is that of healer and party face, with minors in flame-throwing and (later) some basic anti-outsider spells.</p>
<p>There were a few amusing instances early in her career - getting trampled by a herd of stampeding bison represented by My Little Pony figurines, for example - but the better ones come a bit later... As I tend to be a bit verbose, we'll start with one for now.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>Got a few, I suppose...
Imperia - my first, favorite, and highest level character by far - is a Chelaxian Oracle/Diabolist and a dyed-in-the-wool Asmodean, yet her primary role in the group is that of healer and party face, with minors in flame-throwing and (later) some basic anti-outsider spells.
There were a few amusing instances early in her career - getting trampled by a herd of stampeding bison represented by My Little Pony figurines, for example - but the better ones come a bit...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-09-30T00:42:14ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Surnames ?Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syh6?Surnames#282015-09-23T14:01:29Z2015-09-23T14:01:29Z<p>My first, and favorite, PFS character is a Chelaxian noble-woman that I originally named Imperia Korva Alazario. To be entirely honest, I was very new to the setting at the time, so I just flipped through a copy of Humans of Golarion and threw together a few of the standard Chelaxian names that I liked.</p>
<p>Over time, I grew unhappy with the way her full name rolled off the tongue, so I eventually changed her surname to Marcello (Mar-che-low), which was derived - or rather, distilled - from a handful of sources. In particular, the "che" sound gave it a bit of an Italian feel, which invoked a particular character from a Visual Novel I greatly enjoy (Beatrice the Golden Witch from "Umineko no Naku Koro ni", if you're cutrious), which in turn invoked Dante's Inferno. Given that Imperia was designed as a devil-summoner, and an unrepentant follower of Asmodeus, the new name "clicked" in a way the old one never had. One quick retcon of having just ended a fruitless marriage to a lesser cousin of the Alazario family, and she went "back" to her own family's surname.</p>
<p>The Marcello family has since grown substantially, though most of the characters I've dreamt up have yet to see play...</p>My first, and favorite, PFS character is a Chelaxian noble-woman that I originally named Imperia Korva Alazario. To be entirely honest, I was very new to the setting at the time, so I just flipped through a copy of Humans of Golarion and threw together a few of the standard Chelaxian names that I liked.
Over time, I grew unhappy with the way her full name rolled off the tongue, so I eventually changed her surname to Marcello (Mar-che-low), which was derived - or rather, distilled - from a...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-09-23T14:01:29ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Level 12 Character listImperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2okt9&page=12?Level-12-Character-list#5842015-09-15T15:24:47Z2015-09-15T15:24:47Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">roysier wrote:</div><blockquote><p>You have been added to the Taldor Criminal watch list. Watch your back especially in Taldor you might find yourself "Disapeared" </p>
<p>—Lt. Orlov</blockquote><p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Imperia smirks at the thought of threatening an active Hellknight from modern, post-Thrune Ascendancy Cheliax with "disappearance" at the hands of a secret police force.</span>
<p>How very quaint.</p>
<p>All the same, I think I'll take my chances. It appears my brother may well be marrying into the Blackros family in the near future, and it would be quite improper of me not to attend the wedding.</p>
<p>Kindly keep your nation stable until then, if you can.</p>roysier wrote:You have been added to the Taldor Criminal watch list. Watch your back especially in Taldor you might find yourself "Disapeared"
--Lt. Orlov
Imperia smirks at the thought of threatening an active Hellknight from modern, post-Thrune Ascendancy Cheliax with "disappearance" at the hands of a secret police force. How very quaint.
All the same, I think I'll take my chances. It appears my brother may well be marrying into the Blackros family in the near future, and it would be...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-09-15T15:24:47ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Why no controversy over the summoning of demons and devils and other evil outsiders?Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sx4q&page=2?Why-no-controversy-over-the-summoning-of#832015-09-15T14:25:32Z2015-09-15T14:25:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Calenor wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Being a DIV-/Devil-/Demon-Eidolon-Summoner, is fine and perfectly legal, but being rule wise on the save side does not ensure that you can take your little evil toy everywhere you want. 'Wardstone patrol' is a nice example.</p>
<p>Actually, its same way round, as you maybe shouldn't run around in the Blood Cove with an summoned Angel Eidolon. </blockquote><p>Quite true. I went on The Wardstone Patrol with my imp perched on my shoulder and had to wait outside the keep while the rest of the party spoke with the Mendevian commander.
<p>Apparently Iomedaean demon-hunters are too proud to accept aid from an Asmodean demon-hunter... At least, openly... On the plus side, they didn't kill me on sight.</p>
<p>Picked up Nondetection as a spell the next time I could, and kept the imp shape-shifted whenever his presence might be considered objectionable. Hasn't caused me problems since.</p>Calenor wrote:Being a DIV-/Devil-/Demon-Eidolon-Summoner, is fine and perfectly legal, but being rule wise on the save side does not ensure that you can take your little evil toy everywhere you want. 'Wardstone patrol' is a nice example.
Actually, its same way round, as you maybe shouldn't run around in the Blood Cove with an summoned Angel Eidolon.
Quite true. I went on The Wardstone Patrol with my imp perched on my shoulder and had to wait outside the keep while the rest of the party...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-09-15T14:25:32ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Level 12 Character listVassago the Lesser (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2okt9&page=12?Level-12-Character-list#5802015-09-14T15:11:11Z2015-09-14T15:11:11Z<p>My Mistress, the Lady Imperia, also wishes to take this opportunity to announce, somewhat belately, her acquisition of the rank of Venture Captain within the Pathfinder Society. She will be taking a leave of absence to spend time with her family in Egorian and focus on her work at Citadel Enferac, but looks forward to returning to Absalom as soon as she is able.</p>My Mistress, the Lady Imperia, also wishes to take this opportunity to announce, somewhat belately, her acquisition of the rank of Venture Captain within the Pathfinder Society. She will be taking a leave of absence to spend time with her family in Egorian and focus on her work at Citadel Enferac, but looks forward to returning to Absalom as soon as she is able.Vassago the Lesser (alias of Veltharis)2015-09-14T15:11:11ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Level 12 Character listImperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2okt9&page=12?Level-12-Character-list#5792015-09-14T13:47:05Z2015-09-14T13:47:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">roysier wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Signifier Antonius Gallonica wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">roysier wrote:</div><blockquote>In her entire career she has only found 1 traitor to Taldor. And is now happy to say the Pathfinder Society members do not harbor plots to overthrow the Taldorian government. </blockquote><p>What on earth would be the point of overthrowing a decaying old relic which shall collapse under the weight of its own corruption and ineptitude in due course.
<p>Quite simply not worth the effort. </blockquote>I got my eyes on you. </blockquote><p>What my esteemed colleague meant to say was that Cheliax will be more than happy to help guide the Taldane people back towards greatness after the inevitable war of succession brings the remnants of your empire to its knees.
<p>When Taldor starts looking too much like Galt for your tastes, you'll know where to find us.</p>roysier wrote:Signifier Antonius Gallonica wrote: roysier wrote:In her entire career she has only found 1 traitor to Taldor. And is now happy to say the Pathfinder Society members do not harbor plots to overthrow the Taldorian government.
What on earth would be the point of overthrowing a decaying old relic which shall collapse under the weight of its own corruption and ineptitude in due course. Quite simply not worth the effort. I got my eyes on you. What my esteemed colleague meant to say...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-09-14T13:47:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Why no controversy over the summoning of demons and devils and other evil outsiders?Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sx4q?Why-no-controversy-over-the-summoning-of#392015-09-08T13:56:48Z2015-09-08T13:56:48Z<p>As someone whose main is (ostensibly) a professional devil-summoner, the basic problem (which has, indeed, come up before) is where does the line between minor, every-day evil acts and major, alignment-infraction inducing evil acts fall.</p>
<p>My understanding is simply that minor acts only incur an alignment-infraction after a long, noticeable pattern of them has occurred. Since this, by its nature, requires a consistent GM who knows the character, and since you cannot guarantee such a thing in PFS, minor evil acts are generally "hand-waved" away, provided you are not blatantly abusing the system. Consequently, only major evil acts tend to get you in trouble as far as the PFS rules are concerned. The debate mainly centers upon the question of which side of the line do specific acts (devil-summoning, undead creation, etc.) fall, and that varies wildly depending on the person in question.</p>
<p>It also depends on the context. Summoning a devil to aid your party in battle is substantially different than summoning a devil to terrorize and exploit the local peasantry (unless, of course, you're going into battle against the local peasantry...).</p>
<p>Basically, it's the GM's call, in most cases.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Muser wrote:</div><blockquote> I recall one bound angel protecting a Lissalan temple. That was a pretty fun encounter. </blockquote><p>I heartily agree. My Chelaxian Oracle/Diabolist was the party's "face" in our negotiations with him.
<p>That angel owes me a favor. :D</p>As someone whose main is (ostensibly) a professional devil-summoner, the basic problem (which has, indeed, come up before) is where does the line between minor, every-day evil acts and major, alignment-infraction inducing evil acts fall.
My understanding is simply that minor acts only incur an alignment-infraction after a long, noticeable pattern of them has occurred. Since this, by its nature, requires a consistent GM who knows the character, and since you cannot guarantee such a thing in...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-09-08T13:56:48ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Amusing Faction Card thing that came up the other day in game.Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2so2n?Amusing-Faction-Card-thing-that-came-up-the#122015-07-31T02:38:57Z2015-07-31T02:38:57Z<p>Our local group was halfway through "Eyes of the Ten" when the initial faction journal cards were released, and I am somewhat pleased to say that the first goal my Chelaxian Oracle completed was successfully recruiting [Spoiler omitted]
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to "a little project that the Paracountess has been putting together..."</p>
<p>Gotta love that +20 Diplomacy mod. :)</p>Our local group was halfway through "Eyes of the Ten" when the initial faction journal cards were released, and I am somewhat pleased to say that the first goal my Chelaxian Oracle completed was successfully recruiting [Spoiler omitted]
to "a little project that the Paracountess has been putting together..."
Gotta love that +20 Diplomacy mod. :)Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-07-31T02:38:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Paizo Blog: Faction Journal CardsImperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lhcl&page=8?Faction-Journal-Cards#3632015-05-19T10:22:42Z2015-05-19T10:22:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ascalaphus wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I've been tempted to meet those NPC recruitment goals by recruiting faction leaders from other factions, who are often quite qualified. But I decided that was going too far.</p>
<p>VCs seem like fair game to me though. It makes sense to me that the various factions are trying to get their hooks into them. </blockquote><p>My local PFS group was halfway through Eyes of the Ten when the Faction Cards were released... Consequently, one of the first boxes my Asmodean Oracle (Diplomacy mod +20) checked off was the successful recruitment of a member of the Decimvirate to the Dark Archives.Ascalaphus wrote:I've been tempted to meet those NPC recruitment goals by recruiting faction leaders from other factions, who are often quite qualified. But I decided that was going too far.
VCs seem like fair game to me though. It makes sense to me that the various factions are trying to get their hooks into them.
My local PFS group was halfway through Eyes of the Ten when the Faction Cards were released... Consequently, one of the first boxes my Asmodean Oracle (Diplomacy mod +20) checked...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-05-19T10:22:42ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Eyes of the Ten in San Antonio (please post spoilers correctly)Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s00a?Eyes-of-the-Ten-in-San-Antonio#82015-02-20T17:06:04Z2015-02-20T17:06:04Z<p>Best of luck to you!</p>
<p>The group I'm running with, known locally as "Caiden's Crew Plus Two", is presently halfway through EotT and we've been having a blast - we're looking to marathon parts three and four in a couple of weeks.</p>Best of luck to you!
The group I'm running with, known locally as "Caiden's Crew Plus Two", is presently halfway through EotT and we've been having a blast - we're looking to marathon parts three and four in a couple of weeks.Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-02-20T17:06:04ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: How does one handle items without a listed price?Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rx0v?How-does-one-handle-items-without-a-listed-price#102015-01-27T12:34:32Z2015-01-27T12:34:32Z<p>Nothing in the Additional Resources doc seems to indicate that it isn't legal... :/</p>Nothing in the Additional Resources doc seems to indicate that it isn't legal... :/Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-01-27T12:34:32ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: How does one handle items without a listed price?Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rx0v?How-does-one-handle-items-without-a-listed-price#82015-01-27T00:51:10Z2015-01-27T00:51:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Phosphorus wrote:</div><blockquote>For the skull, I would buy a masterwork tool, and give it a suitable obscure +2 bonus, for example, +2 diplomacy when attempting to persuade Asmodeus that your sacrifice is sufficient... (I am sure you can think of something better)</blockquote><p>That seems a decent idea. Maybe something like Craft (alchemy) or Profession (cook)? Utterly useless Skill bonus for my character, but reasonably in line with what one might use such an item for...
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Phosphorus wrote:</div><blockquote>For the sacrifice, you can buy slaves from the Adventurer's Armory - they cost 50-500 gp. </blockquote><p>No need to go that far. I don't need a full-on sacrifice, just a blood donor and the entry doesn't specify needing the blood of a humanoid, merely a sentient creature.
<p>•Looks knowingly at Imp sitting on shoulder•</p>
<p>Like I said, I've got that one taken care of.</p>
<p>I think I've gotten a good idea of how best to sort this out now. Thanks for the input, all.</p>Phosphorus wrote:For the skull, I would buy a masterwork tool, and give it a suitable obscure +2 bonus, for example, +2 diplomacy when attempting to persuade Asmodeus that your sacrifice is sufficient... (I am sure you can think of something better)
That seems a decent idea. Maybe something like Craft (alchemy) or Profession (cook)? Utterly useless Skill bonus for my character, but reasonably in line with what one might use such an item for... Phosphorus wrote:For the sacrifice, you can buy...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-01-27T00:51:10ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: How does one handle items without a listed price?Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rx0v?How-does-one-handle-items-without-a-listed-price#42015-01-26T12:31:47Z2015-01-26T12:31:47Z<p>Heh... I'm used to getting sidelong glances from my party. And honestly, that is half the point. :p</p>
<p>Skull's a non-issue. A recent encounter (this past weekend) involved a cleric that was emphatically NOT a fan of me, and I made a point of taking his head afterwards specifically for this purpose. And I have an unwilling, subservient blood-donor on hand. Consequently, it's really just the dagger that needs to be worked out...</p>
<p>I think, for simplicity's sake, I'll probably go for the "magic dagger edged with ruby shards", but I wanted to float the question anyway, to help ensure that my paperwork is "audit-proof", just in case.</p>Heh... I'm used to getting sidelong glances from my party. And honestly, that is half the point. :p
Skull's a non-issue. A recent encounter (this past weekend) involved a cleric that was emphatically NOT a fan of me, and I made a point of taking his head afterwards specifically for this purpose. And I have an unwilling, subservient blood-donor on hand. Consequently, it's really just the dagger that needs to be worked out...
I think, for simplicity's sake, I'll probably go for the "magic...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-01-26T12:31:47ZForums: Pathfinder Society: How does one handle items without a listed price?Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rx0v?How-does-one-handle-items-without-a-listed-price#12015-01-26T05:11:47Z2015-01-26T05:11:47Z<p>To explain:</p>
<p>My main PFS character is a devout follower of Asmodeus and I've long been considering taking the Deific Obedience feat to further reflect that devotion. The obedience in question requires two items of note: a bowl crafted from the skull of a sentient humanoid and, more to the point, a ruby bladed dagger (or alternatively, a regular dagger edged with ruby).</p>
<p>This latter item has been a bit of a stumbling block for me, as I would imagine such a thing would naturally cost a decent amount of gold simply in raw materials - enough that it seems improper to simply "hand-wave it" as one generally does with the "no value" material components for spellcasters.</p>
<p>How would one go about determining the appropriate cost of such an item? Furthermore, would such a thing be allowed to serve as an actual weapon (perhaps be enchanted), or would its use be purely ceremonial in nature?</p>To explain:
My main PFS character is a devout follower of Asmodeus and I've long been considering taking the Deific Obedience feat to further reflect that devotion. The obedience in question requires two items of note: a bowl crafted from the skull of a sentient humanoid and, more to the point, a ruby bladed dagger (or alternatively, a regular dagger edged with ruby).
This latter item has been a bit of a stumbling block for me, as I would imagine such a thing would naturally cost a decent...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-01-26T05:11:47ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Level 12 Character listImperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2okt9&page=10?Level-12-Character-list#4952015-01-11T05:15:08Z2015-01-11T05:15:08Z<p>Vassago, be <i>silent</i>. I thought I told you, "No speeches"...</p>
<p>My apologies. This is actually somewhat overdue, but I felt I should go ahead and add my name to the annals of Seekers, just in case this lovely mess in <b>[REDACTED]</b> gets my companions and I killed.</p>
<p>Alas, I cannot expound upon my service to the Society at this time, as we are nearly ready to depart. Presuming I survive, which I must admit has been a near thing on occasion, I shall endeavor to more properly write an account of my travels. Until we meet again...</p>
<p>Come, Vassago.</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Imperia Korva Marcello of the Dark Archives (Oracle 7/Hellknight Signifer 1/ Diabolist 4)</span></p>Vassago, be silent. I thought I told you, "No speeches"...
My apologies. This is actually somewhat overdue, but I felt I should go ahead and add my name to the annals of Seekers, just in case this lovely mess in [REDACTED] gets my companions and I killed.
Alas, I cannot expound upon my service to the Society at this time, as we are nearly ready to depart. Presuming I survive, which I must admit has been a near thing on occasion, I shall endeavor to more properly write an account of my...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2015-01-11T05:15:08ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: Level 12 Character listVassago the Lesser (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2okt9&page=10?Level-12-Character-list#4942015-01-11T05:14:51Z2015-01-11T05:14:51Z<p>At the behest of my mistress, I, the humble servant Vassago, do hereby announce that the illustrious Lady Imperia Korva Marcello of Egorian - third daughter of Lord Elric Johannus Marcello II, Hellknight Signifer of the Order of the Gate, Diabolist of the Fourth Seal, and Priestess of Asmodeus (The Kingdom Shall Be His) - has risen to the rank of Seeker within the Pathfinder Society.</p>
<p>It is now my great privilege to recount to you the tales of my Lady's many inspiring deeds, beginning with—</p>At the behest of my mistress, I, the humble servant Vassago, do hereby announce that the illustrious Lady Imperia Korva Marcello of Egorian - third daughter of Lord Elric Johannus Marcello II, Hellknight Signifer of the Order of the Gate, Diabolist of the Fourth Seal, and Priestess of Asmodeus (The Kingdom Shall Be His) - has risen to the rank of Seeker within the Pathfinder Society.
It is now my great privilege to recount to you the tales of my Lady's many inspiring deeds, beginning with--Vassago the Lesser (alias of Veltharis)2015-01-11T05:14:51ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion&page=3#1462014-09-11T23:47:12Z2014-09-11T23:47:12Z<p>My sincerest apologies if you guys were waiting on me. I posted my action for round one when I rolled my initiative and, to be honest, was expecting things to keep moving relatively quickly. I was primarily waiting for the first round to wrap up before posting again - which would have been fine, I think, had combat not unexpectedly ground to a halt. :/</p>
<p>I'll try to be more proactive in the future and I would very much like to continue, if we could.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tenoch Itzcoatl wrote:</div><blockquote>@Adria: It's an artefact of PbP that in order for the game to feel like it's flowing and not losing members, that everyone posts once in a while. You don't even need to perform an actual action. You can post your thoughts, emotions, and non-combaty type actions too (clenched fist, scratching an itch, even picking your nose {if that's something the character would do}). </blockquote><p>I do realize that, and in more typical freeform/roleplaying situations I would certainly aim to do so, but combat has a bit of a different flow. With order of initiative and multiple characters doing things all at once, I felt that adding in little blurbs amounting to "I'm still here" while we got everything resolved would simply have created unnecessary clutter.My sincerest apologies if you guys were waiting on me. I posted my action for round one when I rolled my initiative and, to be honest, was expecting things to keep moving relatively quickly. I was primarily waiting for the first round to wrap up before posting again - which would have been fine, I think, had combat not unexpectedly ground to a halt. :/
I'll try to be more proactive in the future and I would very much like to continue, if we could.
Tenoch Itzcoatl wrote:@Adria: It's an...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-11T23:47:12ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=5#2372014-09-11T23:29:42Z2014-09-11T23:29:42Z<p>Adria cursed under her breath as the door swung open to reveal the two guards at the far end of the hallway - too far away for her limited magicks to affect before one could raise the signal horn he carried to his lips.</p>
<p>Thankfully, her companions recognized the danger as well and swiftly tried to close the distance. Adria followed behind, praying silently to whatever vile god chose to listen that one of them would put a sword through that guardsman's throat before he had the chance to use it.</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Reiterating my previously stated actions for round 1, in case they had been missed... Moving into the room after the rest of the party. Since the new map doesn't have a grid, it's hard to judge distances, but I know I'd have to make a double move to get close enough to cast a spell, so put me about ten feet away from the melee (assuming I can make it that far).</span></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Nothing else I can do in Round 1.</span></p>Adria cursed under her breath as the door swung open to reveal the two guards at the far end of the hallway - too far away for her limited magicks to affect before one could raise the signal horn he carried to his lips.
Thankfully, her companions recognized the danger as well and swiftly tried to close the distance. Adria followed behind, praying silently to whatever vile god chose to listen that one of them would put a sword through that guardsman's throat before he had the chance to use
...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-11T23:29:42ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion&page=3#1362014-09-10T23:24:39Z2014-09-10T23:24:39Z<p>Sorry I've been silent for a while... Didn't really have anything to say.</p>
<p>I hate having nothing to contribute, even if just for a turn. Only thing I could do would be use daze to lock down one of the guards, but they're out of my maximum range unless I use a double move. :/</p>Sorry I've been silent for a while... Didn't really have anything to say.
I hate having nothing to contribute, even if just for a turn. Only thing I could do would be use daze to lock down one of the guards, but they're out of my maximum range unless I use a double move. :/Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-10T23:24:39ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=4#1992014-09-05T03:35:06Z2014-09-05T03:35:06Z<p>Adria curses under her breath, and moves into the room.</p>
<p><span class="messageboard-dice"><b>Initiative:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d20 + 1 ⇒ (3) + 1 = 4</span></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Nothing I can do, I'm afraid. Adria will move into the room to L1 (not sure on my position outside the hallway, but I should be able to get there) and pray the others can pin the guards down before they get a signal off.</span></p>Adria curses under her breath, and moves into the room.
[dice=Initiative]1d20+1[/dice]
Nothing I can do, I'm afraid. Adria will move into the room to L1 (not sure on my position outside the hallway, but I should be able to get there) and pray the others can pin the guards down before they get a signal off.Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-05T03:35:06ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=4#1942014-09-05T01:07:10Z2014-09-05T01:07:10Z<p>Adria eyed Alicia wearily as the bloodied woman rejected her words of caution, but said nothing more on the subject. She turned her full attention to the <i>thing</i> that had been the half-elf Tenoch. His art was obviously a form of conjuration, but it was of a form she was inexperienced with and, consequently, exceedingly fascinated by. <i>I will need to speak to that one at length, if we get out of here alive.</i></p>
<p>Following along with her companions, taking a position near the center of the main group, she says, <b>"I fear darkness will be a hindrance to me as well. However, I would serve little use in a melee anyway and my options are rather limited without my familiar, so feel free to put out the torches if you think it tactically sound.</p>
<p>"As for myself, I will do my best to keep everyone alive. Disagreements over matters of strategy aside, our chances are still far better as a group."</b></p>Adria eyed Alicia wearily as the bloodied woman rejected her words of caution, but said nothing more on the subject. She turned her full attention to the thing that had been the half-elf Tenoch. His art was obviously a form of conjuration, but it was of a form she was inexperienced with and, consequently, exceedingly fascinated by. I will need to speak to that one at length, if we get out of here alive.
Following along with her companions, taking a position near the center of the main group,...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-05T01:07:10ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion&page=3#1122014-09-04T11:20:25Z2014-09-04T11:20:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM Voice wrote:</div><blockquote>You've had one big do-over already. At level up you can retrain though that's fine. I want to avoid hot swapping powers,spells,feats etc. </blockquote><p>Understood. Was going to be my last tweak regardless, but I can wait.DM Voice wrote:You've had one big do-over already. At level up you can retrain though that's fine. I want to avoid hot swapping powers,spells,feats etc.
Understood. Was going to be my last tweak regardless, but I can wait.Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-04T11:20:25ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion&page=3#1102014-09-04T10:29:26Z2014-09-04T10:29:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sykes From Under The Empty Moon wrote:</div><blockquote> Going for <a href="http:pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/sacred-geometry" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sacred Geometry</a>, eh Adria? </blockquote><p>Perhaps, but not initially. My second level hex - Dimensional Augmentation, which comes from my Dimensional Occultist archetype - lets me boost the caster level of my spells by 1 by taking extra time (and mats) to write out equations as part of the casting.
<p>Not really an "in-combat" option, but I can see that being quite useful for downtime and prep time.</p>Sykes From Under The Empty Moon wrote:Going for Sacred Geometry, eh Adria?
Perhaps, but not initially. My second level hex - Dimensional Augmentation, which comes from my Dimensional Occultist archetype - lets me boost the caster level of my spells by 1 by taking extra time (and mats) to write out equations as part of the casting. Not really an "in-combat" option, but I can see that being quite useful for downtime and prep time.Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-04T10:29:26ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion&page=3#1072014-09-04T02:50:01Z2014-09-04T02:50:01Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alicia d'Kouzra wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DM Voice wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Alicia d'Kouzra wrote:</div><blockquote> I thought so too, but I'm already catching flak for killing helpless guards. Making out with the disgusting nosferatu would put me on the shunned list for sure. :P </blockquote>Hey don't let me stop you! I'm just the guy behind the DM screen, I cast no judgements, only dice, at you guys. </blockquote>I was referring to my fellow PC's, actually, but I will keep that in mind. :) </blockquote><p>Not really flak from a player perspective, on my part... Adria's just the exceedingly cautious type. :p
<p>On a completely separate note, I've been thinking and I'd like to swap out my Eschew Materials feat, if it's not too late. It seemed a sensible, practical choice at the time, but as I envision this character eventually writing out mathematical equations in chalk to enhance her spells, the use of material components seems increasingly essential to the theme.</p>
<p>If that's a problem, I can wait and retrain it via the rules in Ult Campaign once we level up (or just learn to live with it), but I wanted to go ahead and get a decision ASAP, before it really came into play...</p>
<p>Or perhaps I just want to cause drama over who gets the spell components pouch. :p</p>Alicia d'Kouzra wrote:DM Voice wrote: Alicia d'Kouzra wrote: I thought so too, but I'm already catching flak for killing helpless guards. Making out with the disgusting nosferatu would put me on the shunned list for sure. :P
Hey don't let me stop you! I'm just the guy behind the DM screen, I cast no judgements, only dice, at you guys. I was referring to my fellow PC's, actually, but I will keep that in mind. :) Not really flak from a player perspective, on my part... Adria's just the...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-04T02:50:01ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=4#1812014-09-04T02:47:00Z2014-09-04T02:47:00Z<p>Adria could not help but sigh at the death of the second guardsman, mourning the loss of the potentially useful information trapped in his head. Apparently her new allies were an eager sort.</p>
<p>She silently took note as introductions were being made - names could have power, if one knew how to use them - then calmly lied when her turn came about.</p>
<p><b>"My name is Lianna,"</b> she said. <b>"And while I can certainly appreciate your...<i>zeal</i> in dealing with the guards, I suggest that we hold our mutual bloodlust in check from now on. One mistake could draw the entire prison down on us at once, and I'd rather take this place apart piecemeal, if we can."</b></p>
<p>She then edges over towards the room where the half-elf was "preparing" himself, observing his art as best she can.</p>Adria could not help but sigh at the death of the second guardsman, mourning the loss of the potentially useful information trapped in his head. Apparently her new allies were an eager sort.
She silently took note as introductions were being made - names could have power, if one knew how to use them - then calmly lied when her turn came about.
"My name is Lianna," she said. "And while I can certainly appreciate your...zeal in dealing with the guards, I suggest that we hold our mutual...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-04T02:47:00ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=3#1342014-09-01T23:05:02Z2014-09-01T23:05:02Z<p>Recognizing that her attempt to talk the guardsman down has failed, Adria keeps her distance, taking a few moments to evaluate her new-found companions's skills in the arts of murder.</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>But just in case...</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice"><b>Initiative:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d20 + 1 ⇒ (8) + 1 = 9</span></p>Recognizing that her attempt to talk the guardsman down has failed, Adria keeps her distance, taking a few moments to evaluate her new-found companions's skills in the arts of murder.
But just in case...
[dice="Initiative"]1d20+1[/dice]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-01T23:05:02ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion&page=2#812014-09-01T17:34:55Z2014-09-01T17:34:55Z<p>Meant to get a post in sometime yesterday, but apparently thinking "I believe I might play a little Civilization V this afternoon" is tantamount to ensuring that nothing else will get done today. -_-</p>Meant to get a post in sometime yesterday, but apparently thinking "I believe I might play a little Civilization V this afternoon" is tantamount to ensuring that nothing else will get done today. -_-Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-01T17:34:55ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=3#1272014-09-01T17:23:47Z2014-09-01T17:23:47Z<p>Adria keeps her distance, somewhat unnerved at her fellow prisoners' actions. <i>I suppose a little patience is a too much to ask for...</i></p>
<p>As the fiend-spawn puts one of the guards in a choke-hold, she quickly turns her attention to the other and draws on magic to enhance her words.</p>
<p><b>"There is no need to be afraid. Whatever you have heard of us, we are not raving lunatics. Stand down and we can talk through this like civilized people."</b></p>
<p><span class="messageboard-dice"><b>Bluff check:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d20 + 6 ⇒ (1) + 6 = 7</span>
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<span class=messageboard-ooc>Using my Charm hex (DC 14) and a bald faced lie to attempt to get the free guard to stand down. Can't quite remember if the familiar bonus is only when familiar is near, so deduct 3 from total if that is the case.</span></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>EDIT: /facepalm</span></p>Adria keeps her distance, somewhat unnerved at her fellow prisoners' actions. I suppose a little patience is a too much to ask for...
As the fiend-spawn puts one of the guards in a choke-hold, she quickly turns her attention to the other and draws on magic to enhance her words.
"There is no need to be afraid. Whatever you have heard of us, we are not raving lunatics. Stand down and we can talk through this like civilized people."
[dice="Bluff check"]1d20+6[/dice]
Using my Charm hex (DC 14)...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-09-01T17:23:47ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=3#1022014-08-30T02:49:44Z2014-08-30T02:49:44Z<p><b>"Let's not be too hasty,"</b> Adria says rubbing her newly freed wrists. <b>"I would prefer drawing the guards into an ambush, if we can. If one gets away, or sends a signal of some kind, the entire endeavor is made far more complicated - and our position isn't all that strong to begin with."</b></p>
<p>She takes a closer look at the remaining patches.</p>
<p><b>"I see what appears to be a bag and a vial of some kind. They may contain something useful."</b></p>
<p>Adria fixes her gaze on the half-elf. <b>"Would you mind?"</b></p>"Let's not be too hasty," Adria says rubbing her newly freed wrists. "I would prefer drawing the guards into an ambush, if we can. If one gets away, or sends a signal of some kind, the entire endeavor is made far more complicated - and our position isn't all that strong to begin with."
She takes a closer look at the remaining patches.
"I see what appears to be a bag and a vial of some kind. They may contain something useful."
Adria fixes her gaze on the half-elf. "Would you mind?"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-30T02:49:44ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=2#732014-08-28T16:22:39Z2014-08-28T16:22:39Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>On the off chance that a simple Knowledge (arcana) check will reveal anything pertenant...</span></p>
<p><span class="messageboard-dice"><b>Knowledge (arcana):</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d20 + 9 ⇒ (17) + 9 = 26</span></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>If helpful, I will share the details with everyone else. But in any case, let's try logic.</span></p>
<p><b>"I enjoy debating symbolism as much as anyone, but we're running out of time and need something practical rather than metaphorical at the moment,"</b> Adria said, leaning back against the wall, eyes firmly onthe veil. <b>"More to the point, someone supposedly trying to help us - not that I trust this woman, mind you - would know that. Those embroideries don't seem to serve any sensible decorative purpose to my eyes, but they are far too detailed to be unimportant. I suspect something might happen if you were to interact with them."</b></p>
<p>Adria smirked at the half-elf.</p>
<p><b>"Of course, if you're afraid the thing is cursed, I'd be willing to try in your stead."</b></p>On the off chance that a simple Knowledge (arcana) check will reveal anything pertenant...
[Dice="Knowledge (arcana)"]1d20+9[/dice]
If helpful, I will share the details with everyone else. But in any case, let's try logic.
"I enjoy debating symbolism as much as anyone, but we're running out of time and need something practical rather than metaphorical at the moment," Adria said, leaning back against the wall, eyes firmly onthe veil. "More to the point, someone supposedly trying to help us...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-28T16:22:39ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=2#672014-08-28T00:57:02Z2014-08-28T00:57:02Z<p><i>Obviously not a plea for his release,</i> Adria thought to herself as the half-elf returned to the cell. <i>Not a successful one at any rate.</i></p>
<p><b>"Might I take a look at that?"</b> she asked in a hushed tone, indicating the gift with a tilt of her head and extending her hands as best she could.</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Assuming the others will allow her to do so, Adria will examine the gift in detail. Don't have Detect Magic prepared (and couldn't cast it in chains anyway), so a Spellcraft check to identify is impossible, but perhaps we can puzzle it out with a more exacting description.</span></p>Obviously not a plea for his release, Adria thought to herself as the half-elf returned to the cell. Not a successful one at any rate.
"Might I take a look at that?" she asked in a hushed tone, indicating the gift with a tilt of her head and extending her hands as best she could.
Assuming the others will allow her to do so, Adria will examine the gift in detail. Don't have Detect Magic prepared (and couldn't cast it in chains anyway), so a Spellcraft check to identify is impossible, but...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-28T00:57:02ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion&page=2#702014-08-27T00:52:09Z2014-08-27T00:52:09Z<p>Apologies for the late response. Posting during workday is next to impossible for me, and this week is turning out especially busy...</p>
<p>Will try to keep to at least one post per day (more if I can), but I should be able to make it up on the weekends.</p>Apologies for the late response. Posting during workday is next to impossible for me, and this week is turning out especially busy...
Will try to keep to at least one post per day (more if I can), but I should be able to make it up on the weekends.Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-27T00:52:09ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay&page=2#542014-08-27T00:48:06Z2014-08-27T00:48:06Z<p>Adria had withdrawn into her head upon hearing that there were only three days before their respective executions. She noted the offer of a quicker death by the needle-toothed man, the identification of the half-elf woman as a fellow witch, and even the shape-shifting man's extrication from his chains, but resolved for the moment to remain silent - all could be useful, but they would be squandered if used prematurely.</p>
<p>She was meditating deeply - considering the limited resources she had available to her and how they might be applied to any escape attempt - when the guards arrived to take the second half-elf away. <i>A visitor... Curious. Who would pay a visit to one of the condemned in </i>this<i> place?</i></p>
<p>Adria would certainly be interested in what the half-elf had to say, when and if he returned. Perhaps, once the guards were gone, it would be time to get to know her fellow prisoners a bit better. It was plainly obvious she would never be free of this place alone.</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>No point in Sense Motive check on the guard for me...</span></p>Adria had withdrawn into her head upon hearing that there were only three days before their respective executions. She noted the offer of a quicker death by the needle-toothed man, the identification of the half-elf woman as a fellow witch, and even the shape-shifting man's extrication from his chains, but resolved for the moment to remain silent - all could be useful, but they would be squandered if used prematurely.
She was meditating deeply - considering the limited resources she had...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-27T00:48:06ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion&page=2#522014-08-26T14:03:56Z2014-08-26T14:03:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Winterwalker wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Adria, the Red Witch wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Upon getting out of my "write all the backstory" mode and taking a look at the party make-up, I notice we don't really have a dedicated healer. While the two witches, mine humble self included, can probably take the brunt of this once we get access to our familiars and start learning new spells, I fear this might cause problems during our hopefully speedy escape from the prison.</p>
<p>Given that we haven't really gotten to a point where we are actually using our abilities quite yet and the fact that my character has something of a history with serving as a healer (er..sort of), I was wondering if I might swap out my Misfortune Hex for the Healing Hex and Ray of Enfeeblement on my spell list for Cure Light Wounds (along with dropping Sleep from my current spells prepared to have one Cure Light Wounds at the ready).</p>
<p>Would that be a problem, Winter? Or will we just have to tough it out? </blockquote>I'm OK with this. :) </blockquote><p>Sounds good then. Will update profile after work.Winterwalker wrote:Adria, the Red Witch wrote:Upon getting out of my "write all the backstory" mode and taking a look at the party make-up, I notice we don't really have a dedicated healer. While the two witches, mine humble self included, can probably take the brunt of this once we get access to our familiars and start learning new spells, I fear this might cause problems during our hopefully speedy escape from the prison.
Given that we haven't really gotten to a point where we are actually...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-26T14:03:56ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion#402014-08-26T02:44:22Z2014-08-26T02:44:22Z<p>Upon getting out of my "write all the backstory" mode and taking a look at the party make-up, I notice we don't really have a dedicated healer. While the two witches, mine humble self included, can probably take the brunt of this once we get access to our familiars and start learning new spells, I fear this might cause problems during our hopefully speedy escape from the prison.</p>
<p>Given that we haven't really gotten to a point where we are actually using our abilities quite yet and the fact that my character has something of a history with serving as a healer (er..sort of), I was wondering if I might swap out my Misfortune Hex for the Healing Hex and Ray of Enfeeblement on my spell list for Cure Light Wounds (along with dropping Sleep from my current spells prepared to have one Cure Light Wounds at the ready).</p>
<p>Would that be a problem, Winter? Or will we just have to tough it out?</p>Upon getting out of my "write all the backstory" mode and taking a look at the party make-up, I notice we don't really have a dedicated healer. While the two witches, mine humble self included, can probably take the brunt of this once we get access to our familiars and start learning new spells, I fear this might cause problems during our hopefully speedy escape from the prison.
Given that we haven't really gotten to a point where we are actually using our abilities quite yet and the fact...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-26T02:44:22ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Winterwalker's "Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns"Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/gameplay#162014-08-26T02:18:52Z2014-08-26T02:18:52Z<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>Adria opened her eyes, the scent of burning flesh clinging to her nostrils. She was slumped against the back wall of a cell, her aching body clothed in filthy rags and manacled to the floor by both wrists and ankles. She remembered now: the long march through the Talirean Heartlands, the branding, the beatings - one or two of the guards had taken particular pleasure in tormenting an accused witch.</p>
<p>Instinctively, she reached out, trying to touch the mind of her familiar, but received no response. Havros was not nearby - disappointing, but not unsurprising. No serpent, even one so clever as he, could be expected to keep up with a prisoner escort on horseback.</p>
<p>Adria made a cursory effort to test her chains. Solid. More than enough to hold her, though that would not have required much.</p>
<p>She sighed heavily, then took a moment to survey her surroundings more closely, particularly her fellow condemned. A few of them seemed to be having a conversation.</p>
<p><b>"How long has it been?"</b> Adria asked with a scratchy voice, suddenly realizing her throat was parched. <b>"I seem to have blacked out at some point..."</b></p>[Spoiler omitted]
Adria opened her eyes, the scent of burning flesh clinging to her nostrils. She was slumped against the back wall of a cell, her aching body clothed in filthy rags and manacled to the floor by both wrists and ankles. She remembered now: the long march through the Talirean Heartlands, the branding, the beatings - one or two of the guards had taken particular pleasure in tormenting an accused witch.
Instinctively, she reached out, trying to touch the mind of her familiar,...Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-26T02:18:52ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked: Knot of Thorns [OOC Discussion]Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/discussion#352014-08-25T23:16:19Z2014-08-25T23:16:19Z<p>Checking in with Adria... Apparently, after going into a writing frenzy, I forgot where to post. :p</p>
<p>Status bar updated. Crime trait is, naturally, witchcraft.</p>Checking in with Adria... Apparently, after going into a writing frenzy, I forgot where to post. :p
Status bar updated. Crime trait is, naturally, witchcraft.Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-25T23:16:19ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: PBP Recruitment for: Way of the Wicked (Evil Characters)Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWickedKnotOfThorns/recruiting&page=3#1332014-08-25T00:17:29Z2014-08-25T00:17:29Z<p>Veltharis here.</p>
<p>Adria •should• be done now, although I might tweak one or two things before we actually start play, at the GM's discretion of course.</p>
<p>Background's a bit novella-esque, I'm afraid, though I feel it was a bit rushed in places... I'll try to clean it up over the next few days, but I didn't want to sail right past the deadline, as I am wont to do.</p>Veltharis here.
Adria *should* be done now, although I might tweak one or two things before we actually start play, at the GM's discretion of course.
Background's a bit novella-esque, I'm afraid, though I feel it was a bit rushed in places... I'll try to clean it up over the next few days, but I didn't want to sail right past the deadline, as I am wont to do.Adria, the Red Witch (alias of Veltharis)2014-08-25T00:17:29ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: Reign of Winter AP - Looking for a healerAsta Ragnarsdottir (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qoky?Reign-of-Winter-AP-Looking-for-a-healer#332014-02-14T23:38:26Z2014-02-14T23:38:26Z<p>Okay, profile's not quite finished yet (nor is the crunch, for that matter), but you should be able to get a sense where I'm going with the character...</p>
<p>More updates to come.</p>Okay, profile's not quite finished yet (nor is the crunch, for that matter), but you should be able to get a sense where I'm going with the character...
More updates to come.Asta Ragnarsdottir (alias of Veltharis)2014-02-14T23:38:26ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: Reign of Winter AP - Looking for a healerAsta Ragnarsdottir (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qoky?Reign-of-Winter-AP-Looking-for-a-healer#312014-02-14T20:58:35Z2014-02-14T20:58:35Z<p>Veltharis here. Quick question, for background purposes: is the main group in Irrisen yet, or still in Taldor? I'm assuming the latter for what I've written so far, but if not it's a fairly easy fix.</p>Veltharis here. Quick question, for background purposes: is the main group in Irrisen yet, or still in Taldor? I'm assuming the latter for what I've written so far, but if not it's a fairly easy fix.Asta Ragnarsdottir (alias of Veltharis)2014-02-14T20:58:35ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: GM Eric's Wrath of the Righteous Call to Arms!Valla Demonspawn (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WrathOfTheRighteous/recruiting&page=2#662014-02-13T00:01:21Z2014-02-13T00:01:21Z<p>I present for your perusal, Valla Demonspawn (no crunch as of yet)</p>
<p>Neutral Good Tiefling (Demon-spawn Heritage)/Oracle (Outer Rifts Mystery)/Touched by Divinity (Iomedae)/Hierophant</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>I present for your perusal, Valla Demonspawn (no crunch as of yet)
Neutral Good Tiefling (Demon-spawn Heritage)/Oracle (Outer Rifts Mystery)/Touched by Divinity (Iomedae)/Hierophant
[Spoiler omitted]Valla Demonspawn (alias of Veltharis)2014-02-13T00:01:21ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: So they nerfed my prestige class... (A question on character rebuilds in PFS)Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qn9r?So-they-nerfed-my-prestige-class#332014-02-05T04:20:22Z2014-02-05T04:20:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Thomas Graham wrote:</div><blockquote>In his defense, he's already suffered for his presige class. I think he's on his.. 2nd/3rd Imp AC? Bad timing for the most part. </blockquote><p>Second. First one got dropped in one hit by a Babau sneak attack.
<p>That particular scenario was less than kind to me... •shudder•</p>Thomas Graham wrote:In his defense, he's already suffered for his presige class. I think he's on his.. 2nd/3rd Imp AC? Bad timing for the most part.
Second. First one got dropped in one hit by a Babau sneak attack. That particular scenario was less than kind to me... *shudder*Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2014-02-05T04:20:22ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: So they nerfed my prestige class... (A question on character rebuilds in PFS)Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qn9r?So-they-nerfed-my-prestige-class#302014-02-05T00:19:24Z2014-02-05T00:19:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Dylos wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Imperia Korva Alazario wrote:</div><blockquote>sadly not one of the class features open for retraining via Ultimate Campaign, else I'd have done so months ago.</blockquote>If you have Inner Sea Magic, you could retrain the curse into the Black Blooded Archetype. </blockquote>And then back out of it! ;p </blockquote><p>Hmm... That is a thought. A bit gimmicky and loopholey, but what kind of diabolic barrister would I be if I let that stop me. :p Need to scrounge up some gold pieces...
<p>Thanks again, all.</p>Patrick Harris @ MU wrote:Dylos wrote: Imperia Korva Alazario wrote:sadly not one of the class features open for retraining via Ultimate Campaign, else I'd have done so months ago.
If you have Inner Sea Magic, you could retrain the curse into the Black Blooded Archetype. And then back out of it! ;p Hmm... That is a thought. A bit gimmicky and loopholey, but what kind of diabolic barrister would I be if I let that stop me. :p Need to scrounge up some gold pieces... Thanks again, all.Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2014-02-05T00:19:24ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: So they nerfed my prestige class... (A question on character rebuilds in PFS)Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qn9r?So-they-nerfed-my-prestige-class#262014-02-04T23:35:25Z2014-02-04T23:35:25Z<p>Apologies for the late reply... Busy day, et al.</p>
<p>Suffice it to say, the character in question was built early last year, but not before the 2012 post linked above, which I was not aware of until this point.</p>
<p>Consequently, the overwhelming consensus seems to be that the five levels of Diabolist are open to rebuilding but the five levels of Oracle preceding them are not, and I shall be proceeding accordingly.</p>
<p>This means more skill points, more hit points, and a new revelation, but that I am ironically still haunted (guffaw guffaw) by my choice in oracle's curse - sadly not one of the class features open for retraining via Ultimate Campaign, else I'd have done so months ago.</p>
<p>Thanks for the input, everyone.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Thomas Graham wrote:</div><blockquote>I'm the person who told him about the 'clarification' and my take on it was like most folks. All he had to do was 'fix' the two illegal levels. IE.. go from Oracle 6/Diabolist 4 to 8/2. I had spotted the comments on the posts and discussions and I had mentioned before that I thought that the spell requirement would be clarified BUT at the time I didn't see any issue with it.</blockquote><p>Hey, it gave me an excuse to spend the afternoon telling everyone how you broke my character. :p
<p>At least, while I wasn't busy trying to survive The Goblinblood Dead with my Level 2 Investigator and a party that seemed to really like the taste of the floors.</p>Apologies for the late reply... Busy day, et al.
Suffice it to say, the character in question was built early last year, but not before the 2012 post linked above, which I was not aware of until this point.
Consequently, the overwhelming consensus seems to be that the five levels of Diabolist are open to rebuilding but the five levels of Oracle preceding them are not, and I shall be proceeding accordingly.
This means more skill points, more hit points, and a new revelation, but that I am...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2014-02-04T23:35:25ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Society: So they nerfed my prestige class... (A question on character rebuilds in PFS)Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qn9r?So-they-nerfed-my-prestige-class#82014-02-04T15:22:55Z2014-02-04T15:22:55Z<p>If I may...</p>
<p>The requirement that I cast Lesser Planar Ally was (until recently) spelled out only in the "Special" section of the prerequisites, wherein the book states that I must conjure a devil using Planar Ally or Planar Binding (or a similar spell) an successfully coax it into performing a service lasting for more than one day.</p>
<p>I felt that this requirement could have been met via use of a scroll, as per the way it is written in the book itself and the Additional Resources doc at the time, but it is something of a moot point regardless. Roleplaying requirements of this sort are waived for Society play (see Organized Play Guide pg 22). I took Lesser Planar Ally as a spell known upon hitting 8th level anyway, but not because I felt I was forced to do so.</p>
<p>It was only this most recent change to the AR that invalidated my choices, and the rule stating that I get a rebuild, while seemingly straightforward, is also rather nonspecific as to what I can and cannot alter. Hence my reason for asking.</p>
<p>If, for example, this change had utterly and irrevocably broken my ability to make the Chelaxian Devil-Binder I'd envisioned (which it hasn't, I might add; merely delayed it), am I then stuck with a character that can only ever be half of what I wanted out of it? Or can I decide that I'd like to be a male Paladin of Sarenrae now?</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cao Phen wrote:</div><blockquote><p> So the minimum levels requirements are:</p>
<p>- Cleric 7
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- Oracle 8
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- Wizard 9
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- Sorcerer 10</p>
<p>This is due to the fact that Lesser Planar Ally is a 4th level spell, and Lesser Planar Binding is a 5th level spell. </blockquote><p>Just so.If I may...
The requirement that I cast Lesser Planar Ally was (until recently) spelled out only in the "Special" section of the prerequisites, wherein the book states that I must conjure a devil using Planar Ally or Planar Binding (or a similar spell) an successfully coax it into performing a service lasting for more than one day.
I felt that this requirement could have been met via use of a scroll, as per the way it is written in the book itself and the Additional Resources doc at the...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2014-02-04T15:22:55ZForums: Pathfinder Society: So they nerfed my prestige class... (A question on character rebuilds in PFS)Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qn9r?So-they-nerfed-my-prestige-class#12014-02-04T06:41:31Z2014-02-04T06:41:31Z<p>A bit of set up: I play a Chelaxian Oracle of Asmodeus as my "main" and, pretty much from the beginning, had my heart set on the Diabolist prestige class from Princes of Darkness. To that end, I gradually leveled the Oracle up to level six and, after double-checking that I'd done everything right, went ahead and took my first level in the prestige class - I have since reached level ten, with fully half of my character levels being in Diabolist.</p>
<p>This, of course, has now been thrown somewhat into flux with the most recent change to the PFS Additional Resources page regarding the Diabolist: specifically the fact that a character must be able to cast Lesser Planar Ally or Lesser Planar Binding using his/her own spell slots prior to taking levels in the class, which means the earliest my character can now retroactively have picked up one is level nine (as I cannot cast fourth level spells until I reach level eight as an Oracle).</p>
<p>Now, I have accepted this easily enough (though I have been mourning the fact that I'll no longer get Infernal Transport next time I level...) and the fact that I will now have to rebuild my character somewhat is a foregone conclusion.</p>
<p>My question is this: How much leeway do I have in such a rebuild? Do I need to limit myself purely to those three levels that MUST now change in order to be in compliance with the new rules, or am I allowed to tinker with some of my earlier choices as well (i.e. class feature choices, skill rank allocations, feat and spell selections, etc.)?</p>
<p>As a prime example, I chose the "Haunted" Oracle's Curse when I first built the character, but have since come to the conclusion that a different curse would have served my concept better - in part, due to the fact that I've expanded my library since she was first designed. Can I, through this rebuild, swap out my old curse for a new one?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>Lady Imperia Korva Alazario
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Signifer of the Order of the Gate</p>A bit of set up: I play a Chelaxian Oracle of Asmodeus as my "main" and, pretty much from the beginning, had my heart set on the Diabolist prestige class from Princes of Darkness. To that end, I gradually leveled the Oracle up to level six and, after double-checking that I'd done everything right, went ahead and took my first level in the prestige class - I have since reached level ten, with fully half of my character levels being in Diabolist.
This, of course, has now been thrown somewhat...Imperia Korva Marcello (alias of Veltharis)2014-02-04T06:41:31ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=5#2482014-01-05T01:05:08Z2014-01-05T01:05:08Z<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>[Spoiler omitted]Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2014-01-05T01:05:08ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion&page=5#2062014-01-05T01:00:31Z2014-01-05T01:00:31Z<p>Whoops. Missed a day.</p>
<p>I'll try not to do that again... >_></p>Whoops. Missed a day.
I'll try not to do that again... >_>Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2014-01-05T01:00:31ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=5#2252014-01-02T06:42:49Z2014-01-02T06:42:49Z<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>[Spoiler omitted]Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2014-01-02T06:42:49ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion&page=4#1852013-12-30T03:52:21Z2013-12-30T03:52:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM Aku wrote:</div><blockquote><p> One point I would like to mention.</p>
<p>I don't think Marsella has said her name to anyone yet. But I can be wrong. Check it for me later. </blockquote><p>You're probably right... I'll keep that in mind next time.
<p>On another note, I'm going to be on the road for most of the day tomorrow, so don't be surprised if I post late. If things are moving especially quickly for Team Plant-Girl, feel free to temporarily NPC me as you see fit.</p>DM Aku wrote:One point I would like to mention.
I don't think Marsella has said her name to anyone yet. But I can be wrong. Check it for me later.
You're probably right... I'll keep that in mind next time. On another note, I'm going to be on the road for most of the day tomorrow, so don't be surprised if I post late. If things are moving especially quickly for Team Plant-Girl, feel free to temporarily NPC me as you see fit.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-30T03:52:21ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=5#2112013-12-29T19:12:38Z2013-12-29T19:12:38Z<p>Looking at the substantial drop between the rooftop and the prison walls, Lysa spends a few moments weighing the benefits of crossing in her mind.</p>
<p>Before Adanna crosses, she stops her and says,<b>"I'm going to stay here and see if I can be of help to Marsella. You five are more than enough to handle a guard patrol. Just keep it quiet."</b></p>
<p>Lysa then turns and carefully descends into the cell block once more.</p>Looking at the substantial drop between the rooftop and the prison walls, Lysa spends a few moments weighing the benefits of crossing in her mind.
Before Adanna crosses, she stops her and says,"I'm going to stay here and see if I can be of help to Marsella. You five are more than enough to handle a guard patrol. Just keep it quiet."
Lysa then turns and carefully descends into the cell block once more.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-29T19:12:38ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=5#2022013-12-28T15:31:26Z2013-12-28T15:31:26Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Lysa will spend a minute or two cleaning up the dead guard's armor for Seren with Prestidigitation, then follow everyone else back up the chimney.</span></p>
<p>Turning to Zerik, Lysa says, <b>"I understand your eagerness to be free of this place, but you do realize that once they notice our escape the guards will be on our heels in full force, right? We need to neutralize their numbers, and slipping belladonna into the prison's food supply might just be the way to do that. Our flight will go far easier if the guards are all dead or ill. Have a little patience."</b></p>Lysa will spend a minute or two cleaning up the dead guard's armor for Seren with Prestidigitation, then follow everyone else back up the chimney.
Turning to Zerik, Lysa says, "I understand your eagerness to be free of this place, but you do realize that once they notice our escape the guards will be on our heels in full force, right? We need to neutralize their numbers, and slipping belladonna into the prison's food supply might just be the way to do that. Our flight will go far easier if...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-28T15:31:26ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=4#1852013-12-27T00:13:19Z2013-12-27T00:13:19Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>On the off chance it's needed, a perception check to notice the guards' arrival and/or Grumblejack's response.</span>
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<span class="messageboard-dice"><b>Perception:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d20 + 7 ⇒ (9) + 7 = 16</span></p>
<p>As the guards arrive, Lysa asks the girl in the room with her <span class=messageboard-ooc>(Marsella)</span> to open the door and reaches into her new spell component pouch in preparation to cast a spell.</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Readied action to start casting Sleep on the guards - targeted in the northwest corner of Room 17 to avoid hitting Eric, Zerik, and Grumble - once the door has been opened. Spell has a 1 round cast time, but with my initiative and starting in the surprise round, only Guard 2 will get to act before it goes off.</span></p>On the off chance it's needed, a perception check to notice the guards' arrival and/or Grumblejack's response.
[dice=Perception]1d20+7[/dice]
As the guards arrive, Lysa asks the girl in the room with her (Marsella) to open the door and reaches into her new spell component pouch in preparation to cast a spell.
Readied action to start casting Sleep on the guards - targeted in the northwest corner of Room 17 to avoid hitting Eric, Zerik, and Grumble - once the door has been opened. Spell has a...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-27T00:13:19ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion&page=4#1592013-12-24T18:19:48Z2013-12-24T18:19:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nahia wrote:</div><blockquote> No, it's been no problem, and I think that is sometimes necessary for pbp to transition smoothly. </blockquote><p>Even in-person games can get bogged down in discussion until someone says, "That's it! I kick down the door." :pNahia wrote:No, it's been no problem, and I think that is sometimes necessary for pbp to transition smoothly.
Even in-person games can get bogged down in discussion until someone says, "That's it! I kick down the door." :pSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-24T18:19:48ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=4#1762013-12-24T14:43:01Z2013-12-24T14:43:01Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>While Zerik's doing his thing...</span></p>
<p><b>"Taking out the replacements at guard change to buy us time is fine, but I'm concerned that someone will notice that the other two never returned from their shift."</b></p>
<p>Lysa turns to Adanna and asks, <b>"That plant down there was poisonous, correct? If we could harvest that and get it to the kitchens, we might be able to 'convince' the servants to add it to the guards' next meal, perhaps even mixed into the food for the kennels. That should help our escape significantly."</b></p>While Zerik's doing his thing...
"Taking out the replacements at guard change to buy us time is fine, but I'm concerned that someone will notice that the other two never returned from their shift."
Lysa turns to Adanna and asks, "That plant down there was poisonous, correct? If we could harvest that and get it to the kitchens, we might be able to 'convince' the servants to add it to the guards' next meal, perhaps even mixed into the food for the kennels. That should help our escape...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-24T14:43:01ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=4#1662013-12-23T21:07:04Z2013-12-23T21:07:04Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Operation Sexy Time is a success!</span></p>
<p>Lysa keeps up the act until the guards have turned away again, then climbs off Zerik and straightens her clothing once more.</p>
<p><b>"Agreed,"</b> she says, then turns back to Zerik. <b>"Find us a way down, preferably one away from prying eyes."</b></p>Operation Sexy Time is a success!
Lysa keeps up the act until the guards have turned away again, then climbs off Zerik and straightens her clothing once more.
"Agreed," she says, then turns back to Zerik. "Find us a way down, preferably one away from prying eyes."Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-23T21:07:04ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion&page=3#1502013-12-23T18:29:30Z2013-12-23T18:29:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nahia wrote:</div><blockquote> I think we intended to lock him up, alive and gagged, in a cell and to come back for him if things went well, though rereading the thread I can see how that wouldn't be clear. And of course I'm not against killing him if we have to. </blockquote><p>That was my understanding as well.Nahia wrote:I think we intended to lock him up, alive and gagged, in a cell and to come back for him if things went well, though rereading the thread I can see how that wouldn't be clear. And of course I'm not against killing him if we have to.
That was my understanding as well.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-23T18:29:30ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=4#1602013-12-23T15:54:37Z2013-12-23T15:54:37Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Amusing though the idea may be, I am not especially attached to Kennie. If he seems to be becoming too much of a liability - particularly as we're not out of the prison yet - I say feel free to be rid of him.</span></p>Amusing though the idea may be, I am not especially attached to Kennie. If he seems to be becoming too much of a liability - particularly as we're not out of the prison yet - I say feel free to be rid of him.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-23T15:54:37ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=4#1552013-12-22T20:37:00Z2013-12-22T20:37:00Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>What's the roof look like? As in, open top of a watchtower with crenelations et al, or are we standing on shingles at the moment?</span></p>
<p>Realizing that they had been spotted, Lysa quickly steps over to Zerik and mutters, <b>"Play along,"</b> to him under her breath before suddenly embracing him and planting a kiss on his lips. After a few moments, she ends it and takes him by the hand, guiding him around the back of the chimney - putting it between them and the guards on the wall - and slowly pushing him to the ground.</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Hoping to convince the guards that their "brothers" are engaging in some "private time" with girlfriends/prostitues/what-have-you. (Please count as a Bluff check! •crosses fingers•)</span></p>What's the roof look like? As in, open top of a watchtower with crenelations et al, or are we standing on shingles at the moment?
Realizing that they had been spotted, Lysa quickly steps over to Zerik and mutters, "Play along," to him under her breath before suddenly embracing him and planting a kiss on his lips. After a few moments, she ends it and takes him by the hand, guiding him around the back of the chimney - putting it between them and the guards on the wall - and slowly pushing him...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-22T20:37:00ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=3#1502013-12-22T14:57:22Z2013-12-22T14:57:22Z<p>Lysa takes a moment to look ruefully at her fingers, as though she were concerned about chipping a nail, then sighs.</p>
<p><b>"So be it,"</b> she says, then proceeds to follow the rest of the group up the chimney.</p>Lysa takes a moment to look ruefully at her fingers, as though she were concerned about chipping a nail, then sighs.
"So be it," she says, then proceeds to follow the rest of the group up the chimney.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-22T14:57:22ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=3#1402013-12-21T18:15:10Z2013-12-21T18:15:10Z<p><b>"I am in much the same position,"</b> Lysa adds. <b>"We should check to see where the stairs lead.</b></p>"I am in much the same position," Lysa adds. "We should check to see where the stairs lead.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-21T18:15:10ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion&page=3#1342013-12-20T22:25:54Z2013-12-20T22:25:54Z<p>Question: Is there any chance we may one day go mythic? It'd probably take too much on the fly conversion on the DM-side to keep things challenging, but the raw possibility inherit in a mythic modify memory spell interests me too much not to ask...</p>Question: Is there any chance we may one day go mythic? It'd probably take too much on the fly conversion on the DM-side to keep things challenging, but the raw possibility inherit in a mythic modify memory spell interests me too much not to ask...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-20T22:25:54ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=3#1192013-12-20T19:45:44Z2013-12-20T19:45:44Z<p><b>"It's a simple enough trick,"</b> Lysa says, responding to Adanna's comment. <b>"Very useful when basic amenities cannot be had, though I'll agree a long, hot bath would be lovely right now. Unfortunately, I don't know that I could teach it to you - I'm not familiar with your brand of magic. Still, let me see that pouch for a moment."</b></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Lysa will take out what few spell components she requires, then hand the pouch back to Adanna.</span></p>"It's a simple enough trick," Lysa says, responding to Adanna's comment. "Very useful when basic amenities cannot be had, though I'll agree a long, hot bath would be lovely right now. Unfortunately, I don't know that I could teach it to you - I'm not familiar with your brand of magic. Still, let me see that pouch for a moment."
Lysa will take out what few spell components she requires, then hand the pouch back to Adanna.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-20T19:45:44ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=3#1142013-12-20T16:56:56Z2013-12-20T16:56:56Z<p>Lysa will take a set of clothes, change out of her rags <span class=messageboard-ooc>(Modesty? Nah...)</span>, then spend a few minutes and judicious use of <i>prestidigitation</i> to get herself looking presentable.</p>
<p><b>"It is a pleasure to meet you, Grumblejack,"</b> she says. <b>"I've never had the opportunity to meet an ogre before. Once we get out of here, I would be honored if you could tell me more of your people."</b></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Mainly fishing for information and trying to establish a relationship with the ogre. No telling who might be useful as a long-term ally.</span></p>Lysa will take a set of clothes, change out of her rags (Modesty? Nah...), then spend a few minutes and judicious use of prestidigitation to get herself looking presentable.
"It is a pleasure to meet you, Grumblejack," she says. "I've never had the opportunity to meet an ogre before. Once we get out of here, I would be honored if you could tell me more of your people."
Mainly fishing for information and trying to establish a relationship with the ogre. No telling who might be useful as a...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-20T16:56:56ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=2#892013-12-20T05:56:49Z2013-12-20T05:56:49Z<p>With one guard bound and unconscious and the other dead, Lysa rises to her feet and stretches, surreptitiously rubbing the bruises on her wrists made by the shackles.</p>
<p><b>"In a moment,"</b> she replies to Zerik's question. <b>"We should search the room first."</b></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Lysa will begin searching the room for anything of use, including the other cells (apart from the big one of course).</span></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>I can also spend a few minutes using prestidigitation to clean the armor. The blood shouldn't be an issue.</span></p>With one guard bound and unconscious and the other dead, Lysa rises to her feet and stretches, surreptitiously rubbing the bruises on her wrists made by the shackles.
"In a moment," she replies to Zerik's question. "We should search the room first."
Lysa will begin searching the room for anything of use, including the other cells (apart from the big one of course).
I can also spend a few minutes using prestidigitation to clean the armor. The blood shouldn't be an issue.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-20T05:56:49ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion&page=3#1152013-12-20T04:58:02Z2013-12-20T04:58:02Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nahia wrote:</div><blockquote>@<b>Sozia:</b> Is it bad that I was thinking the same thing? I mean, he already tried to be a priest of Mitra and failed. I'd like to see him go full on Death Knight or at least become the eccentric hedonistic leader of a thieves guild. </blockquote><p>Great minds, et al... :p
<p>That said, it's probably best to just take him out. He's a liability at the moment and we're not in a strong enough position just yet where we can take any major risks. Besides, I need a few more spells before I can do the kind of paranoia-inducing things I'd really like to do.</p>Nahia wrote:@Sozia: Is it bad that I was thinking the same thing? I mean, he already tried to be a priest of Mitra and failed. I'd like to see him go full on Death Knight or at least become the eccentric hedonistic leader of a thieves guild.
Great minds, et al... :p That said, it's probably best to just take him out. He's a liability at the moment and we're not in a strong enough position just yet where we can take any major risks. Besides, I need a few more spells before I can do the kind...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-20T04:58:02ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=2#852013-12-20T04:49:52Z2013-12-20T04:49:52Z<p>Lysa extracts herself from her shackles, then kneels over and swipes her fingernails at the fallen guard's throat.</p>
<p><span class="messageboard-dice"><b>Attack:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d20 - 1 ⇒ (3) - 1 = 2</span> (+2 for flanking)
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<span class="messageboard-dice"><b>Damage:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d4 - 1 ⇒ (2) - 1 = 1</span></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Well, THAT was effective...</span></p>Lysa extracts herself from her shackles, then kneels over and swipes her fingernails at the fallen guard's throat.
[dice=Attack]1d20-1[/dice] (+2 for flanking)
[dice=Damage]1d4-1[/dice]
Well, THAT was effective...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-20T04:49:52ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion&page=3#1032013-12-20T01:38:53Z2013-12-20T01:38:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM Aku wrote:</div><blockquote> Yeah, poor Kennie, he is a CG guard. That's why bring you guys water and not really obey his orders. And who in a sane condition would resist 4 somewhat gorgeous young girls? Even if they are forsaken! </blockquote><p>There's a part of me that wants to keep him around, just to see if I can gradually break him down and make him pull an Anakin Skywalker at some point in the future. :pDM Aku wrote:Yeah, poor Kennie, he is a CG guard. That's why bring you guys water and not really obey his orders. And who in a sane condition would resist 4 somewhat gorgeous young girls? Even if they are forsaken!
There's a part of me that wants to keep him around, just to see if I can gradually break him down and make him pull an Anakin Skywalker at some point in the future. :pSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-20T01:38:53ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=2#742013-12-19T23:20:43Z2013-12-19T23:20:43Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Yep, that initiative roll looks about right for me... I'll be keeping myself out of the fight proper, though I'll move over and swipe the horn from Bryn while he's asleep.</span></p>Yep, that initiative roll looks about right for me... I'll be keeping myself out of the fight proper, though I'll move over and swipe the horn from Bryn while he's asleep.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-19T23:20:43ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay&page=2#612013-12-19T19:09:18Z2013-12-19T19:09:18Z<p>Lysa smiles as her shackles are unlocked, though she does not yet remove them. <b>"I can bring the guards to us easily enough. Be quiet for a few moments."</b></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Is everyone presently pretending to still be shackled? If not, I'll wait until they are. If so...</span></p>
<p>The young woman takes a second to clear her throat, then begins to sing a hauntingly beautiful elven ballad, loudly enough to carry to the other side of the room.</p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Not using bardic performance just yet... Just something to get their attention - they did say to keep quiet or they'd have to gag us.</span></p>Lysa smiles as her shackles are unlocked, though she does not yet remove them. "I can bring the guards to us easily enough. Be quiet for a few moments."
Is everyone presently pretending to still be shackled? If not, I'll wait until they are. If so...
The young woman takes a second to clear her throat, then begins to sing a hauntingly beautiful elven ballad, loudly enough to carry to the other side of the room.
Not using bardic performance just yet... Just something to get their attention -...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-19T19:09:18ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay#312013-12-18T19:32:38Z2013-12-18T19:32:38Z<p><b>"Duly, though it would be foolish to proceed without caution...the position we find ourselves in is far from strong. What did you have in mind?"</b></p>"Duly, though it would be foolish to proceed without caution...the position we find ourselves in is far from strong. What did you have in mind?"Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-18T19:32:38ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay#292013-12-18T18:18:33Z2013-12-18T18:18:33Z<p>Breaking her silence, the young woman opens her eyes and says in a low voice, <b>"I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve. I doubt I can get us out of the prison itself, but I may be able to get us out of our shackles once the guard comes back."</b></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>To my knowledge, is there only one guard posted in the room or are there more?</span></p>Breaking her silence, the young woman opens her eyes and says in a low voice, "I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve. I doubt I can get us out of the prison itself, but I may be able to get us out of our shackles once the guard comes back."
To my knowledge, is there only one guard posted in the room or are there more?Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-18T18:18:33ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion&page=2#522013-12-17T12:19:06Z2013-12-17T12:19:06Z<p>Bit of a busy day for me, so I may not get to post again until late.</p>
<p>I'll be sure to make it up to you.</p>Bit of a busy day for me, so I may not get to post again until late.
I'll be sure to make it up to you.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-17T12:19:06ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: Way of the WickedSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/gameplay#52013-12-17T12:17:41Z2013-12-17T12:17:41Z<p>The young woman chained up at the far end of the room - next to the girl pleading for water - sat quiet and still, legs crossed and reclining slightly against the wall as though she were resting in a well-cushioned chair in a drawing room rather than on cold, hard stone. Her eyes were closed, but she was not asleep - she was listening, taking time to form an opinion of her gaolers and fellow inmates.</p>The young woman chained up at the far end of the room - next to the girl pleading for water - sat quiet and still, legs crossed and reclining slightly against the wall as though she were resting in a well-cushioned chair in a drawing room rather than on cold, hard stone. Her eyes were closed, but she was not asleep - she was listening, taking time to form an opinion of her gaolers and fellow inmates.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-17T12:17:41ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion#332013-12-16T23:27:41Z2013-12-16T23:27:41Z<p>I suppose I'm pretty much ready as well.</p>I suppose I'm pretty much ready as well.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-16T23:27:41ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion#312013-12-16T22:55:34Z2013-12-16T22:55:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Melasoul wrote:</div><blockquote> @Sozia Nahia would have just recently turned 17 and I've got no problem being half-sisters (sound like fun), though do note that according to my backstory our mother is also dead and buried (baring Nahia having been mistaken, her being brought back to life, or her unresting vengeful spirit being unable to leave this plane).</blockquote><p>Her being dead (or seemingly so) is fine with me. Mainly was left in as a loose end for the DM's sake.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nahia wrote:</div><blockquote><b>@Sozia</b>, thanks for the Mythic-Weavers link, I've never seen that before and if I hadn't seen it for your character, I would have ended up just sending my custom google-spreadsheet link. </blockquote><p>Glad I could help. :DMelasoul wrote:@Sozia Nahia would have just recently turned 17 and I've got no problem being half-sisters (sound like fun), though do note that according to my backstory our mother is also dead and buried (baring Nahia having been mistaken, her being brought back to life, or her unresting vengeful spirit being unable to leave this plane).
Her being dead (or seemingly so) is fine with me. Mainly was left in as a loose end for the DM's sake. Nahia wrote:@Sozia, thanks for the Mythic-Weavers...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-16T22:55:34ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion#242013-12-16T19:32:12Z2013-12-16T19:32:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Erebus wrote:</div><blockquote>@Sozia- If you are wishing to look for other ties, Eric was in a Mitran orphanage as well. Perhaps in your short time there, they could have at least known of each other vaguely. </blockquote><p>Seems reasonable. :)Eric Erebus wrote:@Sozia- If you are wishing to look for other ties, Eric was in a Mitran orphanage as well. Perhaps in your short time there, they could have at least known of each other vaguely.
Seems reasonable. :)Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-16T19:32:12ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion#222013-12-16T19:15:39Z2013-12-16T19:15:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Veltharis wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">DM Aku wrote:</div><blockquote>Just another welcome gift: You guys can all try another focus/foible roll. If you get better results, you can use it. Or just stick to the ones you have now. </blockquote><p>Well then, let's see how lucky I am...
<p>STR (Foible) = 8
<br />
[DICE=DEX]1d10+7
<br />
[DICE=CON]1d10+7
<br />
[DICE=INT]1d10+7
<br />
[DICE=WIS]1d10+7
<br />
CHA (Focus) = 18
<br />
</blockquote><p>O_O
<p>Yep, I'll be taking those...</p>Veltharis wrote:DM Aku wrote:Just another welcome gift: You guys can all try another focus/foible roll. If you get better results, you can use it. Or just stick to the ones you have now.
Well then, let's see how lucky I am... STR (Foible) = 8
[DICE=DEX]1d10+7
[DICE=CON]1d10+7
[DICE=INT]1d10+7
[DICE=WIS]1d10+7
CHA (Focus) = 18
O_O Yep, I'll be taking those...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-16T19:15:39ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion#202013-12-16T19:11:55Z2013-12-16T19:11:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM Aku wrote:</div><blockquote>Just another welcome gift: You guys can all try another focus/foible roll. If you get better results, you can use it. Or just stick to the ones you have now. </blockquote><p>Well then, let's see how lucky I am...
<p>STR (Foible) = 8
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice"><b>DEX:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d10 + 7 ⇒ (4) + 7 = 11</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice"><b>CON:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d10 + 7 ⇒ (10) + 7 = 17</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice"><b>INT:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d10 + 7 ⇒ (10) + 7 = 17</span>
<br />
<span class="messageboard-dice"><b>WIS:</b></span> <span class="messageboard-dice">1d10 + 7 ⇒ (7) + 7 = 14</span>
<br />
CHA (Focus) = 18</p>DM Aku wrote:Just another welcome gift: You guys can all try another focus/foible roll. If you get better results, you can use it. Or just stick to the ones you have now.
Well then, let's see how lucky I am... STR (Foible) = 8
[DICE=DEX]1d10+7[/DICE]
[DICE=CON]1d10+7[/DICE]
[DICE=INT]1d10+7[/DICE]
[DICE=WIS]1d10+7[/DICE]
CHA (Focus) = 18Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-16T19:11:55ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion#172013-12-16T18:03:52Z2013-12-16T18:03:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Petty Alchemy wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I think there's actually a rather important question though:
</p>
What kind of evil are we going for here? What I had in mind was pulp/cinematic evil, murder by millions, robbery, slavery, human trafficking etc...on screen, stuff like rape not so much.</p>
<p>That's something we should all be on the same page for before we start. </blockquote><p>By and large, I'm on the same page.
<p>I could see Sozia condoning rape (for example) as a means to an end - say to put a major character at a psychological disadvantage at a key point in time - but neither I nor she would have any interest in participating in the act in a direct, on-screen fashion.</p>
<p>@Melasoul: How old is Nahia? I was just thinking, if we're both going to play green-hag-changelings, maybe they could be half-sisters unknowingly... Presuming the time frames match up, of course.</p>Petty Alchemy wrote:I think there's actually a rather important question though:
What kind of evil are we going for here? What I had in mind was pulp/cinematic evil, murder by millions, robbery, slavery, human trafficking etc...on screen, stuff like rape not so much.That's something we should all be on the same page for before we start.
By and large, I'm on the same page. I could see Sozia condoning rape (for example) as a means to an end - say to put a major character at a psychological...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-16T18:03:52ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Way of the Wicked DiscussionSozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/discussion#82013-12-16T14:54:10Z2013-12-16T14:54:10Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM Aku wrote:</div><blockquote><p>You can adjust your background if you want, or create new crimes (and thus create a new trait).</p>
<p>Just dont forget you dont need to limit yourself to normal players restrictions.</p>
<p>Want to be a were-something? Cool, talk to me and we will see how to get it in game? Vampire? this one is harder, the daylight retriction will be a problem to the party, but with some care it can work. Lich? I'm sure you guys will have the chance.</blockquote><p>I think I'm going to add a bit of forgery into my background and pick up the Forgery trait instead of Sedition (like the idea behind Sedition better, but it's main bonus doesn't stack with my other trait...).
<p>Other than that, I'm strongly considering trying to pick up the Devilbound template from Bestiary 4 at some point down the line, but that will be a while - level 5 at the very earliest, but I want to wait and make sure I'm getting a good deal. :D</p>
<p>EDIT: Slight update to background.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>DM Aku wrote:You can adjust your background if you want, or create new crimes (and thus create a new trait).
Just dont forget you dont need to limit yourself to normal players restrictions.
Want to be a were-something? Cool, talk to me and we will see how to get it in game? Vampire? this one is harder, the daylight retriction will be a problem to the party, but with some care it can work. Lich? I'm sure you guys will have the chance.
I think I'm going to add a bit of forgery into my...Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-16T14:54:10ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: Revenge is a dish best served cold - Way of the Wicked recruitment.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/recruiting&page=3#1122013-12-16T05:06:46Z2013-12-16T05:06:46Z<p>Also: Using 25pt buy</p>
<p>STR 10
<br />
DEX 12
<br />
CON 12 (14 -2 racial)
<br />
INT 14
<br />
WIS 15 (13 +2 racial)
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CHA 18 (16 +2 racial)</p>Also: Using 25pt buy
STR 10
DEX 12
CON 12 (14 -2 racial)
INT 14
WIS 15 (13 +2 racial)
CHA 18 (16 +2 racial)Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-16T05:06:46ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: Revenge is a dish best served cold - Way of the Wicked recruitment.Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)https://paizo.com/campaigns/WayOfTheWicked7qhcq/recruiting&page=3#1102013-12-16T03:17:52Z2013-12-16T03:17:52Z<p>Hope it's not too late to get my finalized background in...</p>
<p><b>Sozia Voralis</b> (presently known by the name <b>Lysa Marcello</b>) - Convicted of Murder and Sedition</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>Hope it's not too late to get my finalized background in...
Sozia Voralis (presently known by the name Lysa Marcello) - Convicted of Murder and Sedition
[Spoiler omitted]
[Spoiler omitted]Sozia Voralis (alias of Veltharis)2013-12-16T03:17:52Z