paizo.com Recent Posts by Uwotm8paizo.com Recent Posts by Uwotm82023-05-24T18:00:50Z2023-05-24T18:00:50ZRe: Forums/Paizo: General Discussion: Changes to OGL and Effect on Paizo/other OGL companiesBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43qfp&page=11?Changes-to-OGL-and-Effect-on-Paizoother-OGL#5462023-01-12T15:55:13Z2023-01-12T08:33:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Raynulf wrote:</div><blockquote><b>When it comes to Paizo:</b> 20 years of consistent behaviour and integrity matters. Sure, we can't predict the future - maybe a giant legal battle with WotC will nuke their finances and force them to sell, and the new owner is a tyrannical maniac. Or a comet could land on the office. All of these could happen. But they aren't likely. If in the short term we had to put our money on one party to take over the role of custodian of the Open Gaming movement... Paizo would be a good candidate.</blockquote><p><b>Devil's Advocate:</b> The only reason Paizo has been behaving "well" could be due to the OGL having set the terms of fairness to-date. We've never seen a Paizo without the OGL that set a certain level playing field across the industry. I don't think Paizo has ever been threatened in this manner either and may be prone to react in a protectionist manner as well.Raynulf wrote:When it comes to Paizo: 20 years of consistent behaviour and integrity matters. Sure, we can't predict the future - maybe a giant legal battle with WotC will nuke their finances and force them to sell, and the new owner is a tyrannical maniac. Or a comet could land on the office. All of these could happen. But they aren't likely. If in the short term we had to put our money on one party to take over the role of custodian of the Open Gaming movement... Paizo would be a good...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2023-01-12T08:33:27ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Adventure Path: General Discussion: AP Hi-res MapsBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42rtf?AP-Hires-Maps#192022-09-19T08:11:11Z2022-09-19T08:11:11Z<p>Bump to keep the dream alive. As another example, Roll20 clearly has gorgeous full-scale maps that are obviously not recreations.</p>
<p>An example from Secrets of Roderic's Cove: https://imgur.com/koO8126
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(I'm not sure why the interactive maps don't remove hidden doors. Sigh. That's a different issue though.)</p>
<p>The left side is zoomed in 800% while the right is zoomed to 214%. The one of the left is not good to use in a VTT or for anything other than enabling a hand-drawn recreation.</p>Bump to keep the dream alive. As another example, Roll20 clearly has gorgeous full-scale maps that are obviously not recreations.
An example from Secrets of Roderic's Cove: https://imgur.com/koO8126
(I'm not sure why the interactive maps don't remove hidden doors. Sigh. That's a different issue though.)
The left side is zoomed in 800% while the right is zoomed to 214%. The one of the left is not good to use in a VTT or for anything other than enabling a hand-drawn recreation.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2022-09-19T08:11:11ZRe: Forums: Rise of the Runelords: Shoanti Traditions in SandpointBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2jso1?Shoanti-Traditions-in-Sandpoint#42021-06-09T06:33:46Z2021-06-09T06:33:46Z<p>Belor was Shriikirri.</p>Belor was Shriikirri.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2021-06-09T06:33:46ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=3?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#1122019-03-28T06:27:03Z2019-03-28T03:37:45Z<p>That implies to me, correct me if I'm wrong, you think there are only a couple types of products that could be made for Pathfinder. Is that correct? Or were you simply saying the total potential design space is smaller?</p>That implies to me, correct me if I'm wrong, you think there are only a couple types of products that could be made for Pathfinder. Is that correct? Or were you simply saying the total potential design space is smaller?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-28T03:37:45ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=3?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#1102019-03-28T00:52:12Z2019-03-28T00:52:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Steve Geddes wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Leaving aside any specific potential arrangement, there is a downside with making it too easy for community members to utilise Paizo's IP - namely quality control.</p>
<p>There are no doubt very talented, creative and professional members of the community without a proven track record who would be able to take that IP and build some fantastic digital tools.</p>
<p>However, I'm betting there are many more who would start something, put up a buggy, not-quite-finished application and then move on when they didn't get the return they hoped for, lost interest or had their priorities shift in some other, unexpected way.</p>
<p>Making it easy to access the IP <i>would</i> help the proliferation of decent software, but it would also make it easier for poor performing or useless stuff to get out. There's both an upside and a downside to creating barriers through their licensing structure.</p>
<p>I think you see this at work in the DM Guild - WotC have provided a very generous and easy-to-use licensing regime, all bundled up in a ready-made promotional and distribution platform (albeit there are some commercial downsides, not always appreciated). It has resulted in some extremely good, professional looking and innovative product being produced for 5E. However, it has also resulted in a lot of poorly written stuff getting out there.</p>
<p>It seems to me there are pros and cons to being either restrictive or open when it comes to such things. It's hard for us on the outside to understand all the various factors coming into play when judging where to set the dial of openness. </blockquote><p>All valid points. There are several licensing regimes though. There's also the app store approach where you control distribution. You could also provide provisional licensing that is contingent upon approval before it gets released. You could also accept open submissions but only grant any kind of licensing, provisional or otherwise, to those that pass a quality check. Again, hearkening to the app store model, you can even charge for this. There many ways to skin this cat.Steve Geddes wrote:Leaving aside any specific potential arrangement, there is a downside with making it too easy for community members to utilise Paizo's IP - namely quality control.
There are no doubt very talented, creative and professional members of the community without a proven track record who would be able to take that IP and build some fantastic digital tools.
However, I'm betting there are many more who would start something, put up a buggy, not-quite-finished application and then...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-28T00:52:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=3?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#1072019-03-28T06:25:15Z2019-03-28T00:35:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> Maybe we can all just drop this derail and talk about the digital future of Pathfinder rather whatever this is about? </blockquote><p>As you wish. Even ignoring the last several posts, I just don't see much in the way of digital for Paizo. Again, the potential is there, but it's not used really well. For example, in the user profile there are clearly signs to 3rd party integration, but I've not seen much in the way of partnerships. Maybe these were only vestiges of short experiments and not meant to be full blown partnerships, but it clearly inspires the mind. I've seen others ask in the feedback forum about things like APIs and being able to update Pathfinder Society info from other tools or working with PFS scenarios more naturally through Roll20. Sadly, I've not seen any hope of that happening. Would be really cool though.thejeff wrote:Maybe we can all just drop this derail and talk about the digital future of Pathfinder rather whatever this is about?
As you wish. Even ignoring the last several posts, I just don't see much in the way of digital for Paizo. Again, the potential is there, but it's not used really well. For example, in the user profile there are clearly signs to 3rd party integration, but I've not seen much in the way of partnerships. Maybe these were only vestiges of short experiments and not...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-28T00:35:37ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Can bestow (greater) curse do this?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42imk?Can-bestow-curse-do-this#22019-03-28T00:20:12Z2019-03-28T00:20:12Z<p>I would cap falling asleep to be voluntary sleep. They'd bodily succumb to pure exhaustion but any kind of night time routine or laying down on your own? Nah. So more insomnia I guess, imo.</p>
<p>Vulnerability to elements is something particular. While not particular enough to say outright no to, I wouldn't be comfortable with that.</p>
<p>The rest seem ok.</p>I would cap falling asleep to be voluntary sleep. They'd bodily succumb to pure exhaustion but any kind of night time routine or laying down on your own? Nah. So more insomnia I guess, imo.
Vulnerability to elements is something particular. While not particular enough to say outright no to, I wouldn't be comfortable with that.
The rest seem ok.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-28T00:20:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#982019-03-29T01:41:20Z2019-03-27T23:37:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">bugleyman wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">dirtypool wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote> Since we both agreed I should not publish my conversation, you will simply have to trust me when I say that simply would not work and cannot work under Paizo's current licensing setup. It could maybe work if it had a larger company backing it but a freshly founded company has no chance. I'm not sure if that's true with print partners, but it is absolutely true when it comes to digital according to my conversations with Paizo. That's my whole problem. </blockquote><p>The main point I was making was that you should either A find a means to pursue your goal in a professional manner or drop the subject in this public forum because it A. makes you sound like you have an axe to grind, B. makes you sound incredibly unprofessional.
<p>If a random person came up to me and offered to create a product using my IP by chiding me about all the things they don’t like about my current model and then told me they were just a single entity with no capital, no business plan and no articles of incorporation - I wouldn’t take them seriously either. </blockquote>I would agree, you shouldn't, but you would be mistaken to think that's how I approached it. </blockquote>Be that as it may, I think you've made your point. </blockquote><p>I mean my whole point has been the following. There lots of passionate, talented people out there who would love to contribute to the community. That said, with anything in a market, those should be able be done at a profit. There is no good reason why only Paizo and Wizards needs to make money in this venture. That is overly combative and not seeking to expand the market in any way when digital is a fantastic way to grow markets (see brick and mortar vs. online shopping). This has manifested itself in a very strict licensing regime. That needs to change if you want quality, diverse digital tools. That's it. Everything else has been folks picking at my particular posts and not my broader point.bugleyman wrote:Buri Reborn wrote: dirtypool wrote: Buri Reborn wrote: Since we both agreed I should not publish my conversation, you will simply have to trust me when I say that simply would not work and cannot work under Paizo's current licensing setup. It could maybe work if it had a larger company backing it but a freshly founded company has no chance. I'm not sure if that's true with print partners, but it is absolutely true when it comes to digital according to my conversations with...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T23:37:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#932019-03-27T23:02:54Z2019-03-27T23:02:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">dirtypool wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote> Since we both agreed I should not publish my conversation, you will simply have to trust me when I say that simply would not work and cannot work under Paizo's current licensing setup. It could maybe work if it had a larger company backing it but a freshly founded company has no chance. I'm not sure if that's true with print partners, but it is absolutely true when it comes to digital according to my conversations with Paizo. That's my whole problem. </blockquote><p>The main point I was making was that you should either A find a means to pursue your goal in a professional manner or drop the subject in this public forum because it A. makes you sound like you have an axe to grind, B. makes you sound incredibly unprofessional.
<p>If a random person came up to me and offered to create a product using my IP by chiding me about all the things they don’t like about my current model and then told me they were just a single entity with no capital, no business plan and no articles of incorporation - I wouldn’t take them seriously either. </blockquote><p>I would agree, you shouldn't, but you would be mistaken to think that's how I approached it.dirtypool wrote:Buri Reborn wrote: Since we both agreed I should not publish my conversation, you will simply have to trust me when I say that simply would not work and cannot work under Paizo's current licensing setup. It could maybe work if it had a larger company backing it but a freshly founded company has no chance. I'm not sure if that's true with print partners, but it is absolutely true when it comes to digital according to my conversations with Paizo. That's my whole problem.
The...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T23:02:54ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#902019-03-27T22:18:09Z2019-03-27T22:18:09Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Hyeena wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I would LOVE to build robust tools for Pathfinder. I've asked to time and time again. I can't get Paizo to take me seriously, apparently. Their licensing model is their worst enemy in a digital world.</p>
<p>When I've talked to Vic about this, I utterly failed at getting anything set in motion simply because I didn't already have a company established even though I can prove my qualifications very quickly. I was flatly denied before I even got the chance though. I also have very qualified colleagues who would love to do this. I simply don't understand why this space is hard to improve.</p>
<p>The long and short of Paizo's stance as I understand it is that if you aren't already a large company or a company that is a long-time incumbent in the RPG space, you have no chance. </blockquote><p>The big thing for me and my Web Developer friends is I really don't want to figure out some hacky way to get the Data from the books into some structured format. As I see it I have a few options:
<p>1: We input everything by hand. We started that, and it's TOUGH. I can't image doing that for subsequent books. </p>
<p>2: We wait for someone else to do it, scrape it from their website, and turn it into the way we want it. </p>
<p>3: We create a web form, and peddle the data entry to friends and family. </p>
<p>4: We try and do some REALLY wacky parsing between the PDF and a usable format. We've tried this, and we can't get anything super reliable. </p>
<p>5: We buy some structured format from Paizo. I've reached out to Paizo once, and I don't really think they understood what I was asking for and forwarded me to an e-mail to potentially become one of their licensees (Ala AON style). </blockquote><p>I agree. Unfortunately there are no good options here. Below are my comments on your list.
<p>1. This is a nonstarter. This is literally throwing manpower at the problem. It's expensive and slow.</p>
<p>2. Possible but very error prone. Any hiccup scraping or slowness to update from your target resource means you're behind. This is not something you'd want to build a product on. Maybe as an alternate ingestion should something else fail. Maybe. But still probably not.</p>
<p>3. Same problem as 1.</p>
<p>4. This is unfortunately part of the problem with PDFs. They're not really a text based document which means you can't do this reliably or you need to invest a lot of engineering to make it consistent.</p>
<p>5. AON actually works with PDFs and has done part of number 4. Props to them. But, as far as I understand, Paizo doesn't have their products in a structured format.</p>Hyeena wrote:Buri Reborn wrote:I would LOVE to build robust tools for Pathfinder. I've asked to time and time again. I can't get Paizo to take me seriously, apparently. Their licensing model is their worst enemy in a digital world.
When I've talked to Vic about this, I utterly failed at getting anything set in motion simply because I didn't already have a company established even though I can prove my qualifications very quickly. I was flatly denied before I even got the chance though. I...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T22:18:09ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#892019-03-28T06:07:21Z2019-03-27T22:12:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Marc Radle wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I would LOVE to build robust tools for Pathfinder. I've asked to time and time again. I can't get Paizo to take me seriously, apparently. Their licensing model is their worst enemy in a digital world.</p>
<p>When I've talked to Vic about this, I utterly failed at getting anything set in motion simply because I didn't already have a company established even though I can prove my qualifications very quickly. I was flatly denied before I even got the chance though. I also have very qualified colleagues who would love to do this. I simply don't understand why this space is hard to improve.</p>
<p>The long and short of Paizo's stance as I understand it is that if you aren't already a large company or a company that is a long-time incumbent in the RPG space, you have no chance. </blockquote>Unfortunately, I suspect making posts like this in a public forum probably has not done you any favors in your quest to get work with Paizo or any other RPG company ... </blockquote><p>As I said, I have no more faith in them changing their setup. I'm not here trying to get business. I'm here about the discussion around digital products which goes hand in hand with how they treat licensing.Marc Radle wrote:Buri Reborn wrote:I would LOVE to build robust tools for Pathfinder. I've asked to time and time again. I can't get Paizo to take me seriously, apparently. Their licensing model is their worst enemy in a digital world.
When I've talked to Vic about this, I utterly failed at getting anything set in motion simply because I didn't already have a company established even though I can prove my qualifications very quickly. I was flatly denied before I even got the chance though. I...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T22:12:41ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#882019-03-28T06:07:41Z2019-03-27T22:10:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">dirtypool wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote> Incorporating is not a complex process. It should not be considered a barrier to entry.</blockquote>Then by all means, incorporate, build a model of the tool you wish to use and approach through the proper channels about your company applying the PF license to the product you've already begun working toward. Like any other company in the marketplace</blockquote><p>Since we both agreed I should not publish my conversation, you will simply have to trust me when I say that simply would not work and cannot work under Paizo's current licensing setup. It could maybe work if it had a larger company backing it but a freshly founded company has no chance. I'm not sure if that's true with print partners, but it is absolutely true when it comes to digital according to my conversations with Paizo. That's my whole problem.dirtypool wrote:Buri Reborn wrote: Incorporating is not a complex process. It should not be considered a barrier to entry.
Then by all means, incorporate, build a model of the tool you wish to use and approach through the proper channels about your company applying the PF license to the product you've already begun working toward. Like any other company in the marketplaceSince we both agreed I should not publish my conversation, you will simply have to trust me when I say that simply would...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T22:10:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#872019-03-28T06:07:26Z2019-03-27T22:08:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Blake's Tiger wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Blake's Tiger wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I know how I feel longing for open call to reopen to have the chance to use my creative writing muscles every once in a while, so I can't even imagine what it's like wanting to start up a business that could be a career.</p>
<p>However:</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote>I'd have to say their strategy of only dealing with "proven delivery" is pretty bad at this point. Of the products I listed before only one has been successful in market. Just saying. Granted, I'm not aware of other digital products they partnered to create. </blockquote>If that is their experience, based on your own words, why would they take the additional risk of licensing with a person who "didn't . . . have a company"? </blockquote>Because that's like doubling down on one model that demonstrably doesn't work. If the rate of success overall really is that low then the approach is to let more people pitch not less. </blockquote><p>No, it's more like low risk bets are already pretty risky, they're not going to suddenly go out on a limb to take <i>more</i> risk on a risky bet.
<p>Also, that video you linked is not even close to your situation. The association of your post to that statements made in that video implies that you believe Paizo is producing bad products because it won't invest in your idea. I feel for your frustration, but that is just patently unfair.</p>
<p>EDIT: Also, it's not charity, it's risk. Two entities doing business together allocate the risk of the endeavor. </blockquote><p>It is close. I think Paizo's licensing setup is bad. Therefore I'm talking about why it's bad. Louis' comments aren't about products. They're about, in his words, the "dumb s•#!" companies do. That's a large umbrella of practices. It not about my idea. It's about the total stonewall of "you must be this tall to ride." That's anti-competitive.Blake's Tiger wrote:Buri Reborn wrote: Blake's Tiger wrote:I know how I feel longing for open call to reopen to have the chance to use my creative writing muscles every once in a while, so I can't even imagine what it's like wanting to start up a business that could be a career.
However:
Buri Reborn wrote:I'd have to say their strategy of only dealing with "proven delivery" is pretty bad at this point. Of the products I listed before only one has been successful in market. Just saying....Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T22:08:57ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#732019-03-27T17:34:16Z2019-03-27T17:34:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">rooneg wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote>The problem with that, at least re: Paizo, is that quality takes time. Time spent building a quality product should be able to be charged for. The state of a for-profit company's quality of life tools should not be based on charity. You end up in the situation where are where products like HeroLab are extremely bad from a user experience perspective. </blockquote>When did I ever say that you shouldn't be able to charge for digital tools for PF2? I'm fine with that, I'm just not particularly in love with the idea of a single supported set of tools (presumably from a single vendor). I don't like that the only set of digital tools for 5e are D&D Beyond. I'd hate for that to become the case for Pathfinder. </blockquote><p>You can't release for-pay tools with the Pathfinder trade name without a license from Paizo. You can't use their non-OGL monsters or content in anyway unless you want it to be free. To comply with their license requirements is currently way too strict. You said you were happy with their licensing, hence my response. If you want a diverse array of quality tools, they will need to change their approach to licensing.rooneg wrote:Buri Reborn wrote:The problem with that, at least re: Paizo, is that quality takes time. Time spent building a quality product should be able to be charged for. The state of a for-profit company's quality of life tools should not be based on charity. You end up in the situation where are where products like HeroLab are extremely bad from a user experience perspective.
When did I ever say that you shouldn't be able to charge for digital tools for PF2? I'm fine with that, I'm just...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T17:34:16ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#712019-03-27T17:22:12Z2019-03-27T17:22:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">dirtypool wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote> Because that's like doubling down on one model that demonstrably doesn't work. If the rate of success overall really is that low then the approach is to let more people pitch not less. </blockquote><p>There are many reasons not to let private entities who are not actually incorporated as a company pitch to be given the license to use your product in the creation of their own. Many of those reasons are legal, some of them are based on the expectation of a level of professionalism.
<p>Taking to that companies forums to loudly decry their policy doesn't exactly speak to the kind of conduct they might want to do business with. </blockquote><p>Incorporating is not a complex process. It should not be considered a barrier to entry.
<p>Loudly? A few posts in a single thread is being loud? Huh. At any rate, like I said, my faith they'll change in this regard is zero. I've tried on multiple occasions. I'm telling you, there's been zero serious consideration on Paizo's end if you're not an already established entity with a lot of money. I don't really want to share my correspondence with Vic because that feels tacky. You're just going to have to trust me on this. Or not. /shrug</p>
<p>Update: When I was typing this, this video was playing in my background and sums up nicely why I post about things like this: <a href="https://youtu.be/t7XSckjRPo0?t=900" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/t7XSckjRPo0?t=900</a></p>dirtypool wrote:Buri Reborn wrote: Because that's like doubling down on one model that demonstrably doesn't work. If the rate of success overall really is that low then the approach is to let more people pitch not less.
There are many reasons not to let private entities who are not actually incorporated as a company pitch to be given the license to use your product in the creation of their own. Many of those reasons are legal, some of them are based on the expectation of a level of...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T17:22:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#692019-03-27T17:02:53Z2019-03-27T17:02:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">rooneg wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Honestly, part of what I like about Paizo is that their licensing means that other people can build digital solutions themselves. I don't want the only digital tools for PF2 to be the one that Paizo builds, or the one that some company that Paizo gives a license to builds. I want a thousand flowers to bloom.</p>
<p>Now I'd like it to become easier for the digital solutions that third parties build to bridge the gap between "stuff that's in the SRD" and "stuff that's not in the SRD", if there was some easy way for the PDFs I bought from Paizo to be annotated or something so my online tool can extract the bits it needs to run a game that would be awesome. But it's in no way a showstopper.</p>
<p>Currently I'm actually running a game of 5e (Out of the Abyss) largely via D&D Beyond> it's fine. It's not a game changer though, and I'd be basically just as happy if I had PDF copies of the 5e books. Paizo is already at that point, and that combined with an SRD is definitely enough for me. </blockquote><p>The problem with that, at least re: Paizo, is that quality takes time. Time spent building a quality product should be able to be charged for. The state of a for-profit company's quality of life tools should not be based on charity. You end up in the situation where are where products like HeroLab are extremely bad from a user experience perspective.rooneg wrote:Honestly, part of what I like about Paizo is that their licensing means that other people can build digital solutions themselves. I don't want the only digital tools for PF2 to be the one that Paizo builds, or the one that some company that Paizo gives a license to builds. I want a thousand flowers to bloom.
Now I'd like it to become easier for the digital solutions that third parties build to bridge the gap between "stuff that's in the SRD" and "stuff that's not in the SRD", if...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T17:02:53ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9&page=2?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#682019-03-27T16:59:27Z2019-03-27T16:59:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Blake's Tiger wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I know how I feel longing for open call to reopen to have the chance to use my creative writing muscles every once in a while, so I can't even imagine what it's like wanting to start up a business that could be a career.</p>
<p>However:</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote>I'd have to say their strategy of only dealing with "proven delivery" is pretty bad at this point. Of the products I listed before only one has been successful in market. Just saying. Granted, I'm not aware of other digital products they partnered to create. </blockquote>If that is their experience, based on your own words, why would they take the additional risk of licensing with a person who "didn't . . . have a company"? </blockquote><p>Because that's like doubling down on one model that demonstrably doesn't work. If the rate of success overall really is that low then the approach is to let more people pitch not less.Blake's Tiger wrote:I know how I feel longing for open call to reopen to have the chance to use my creative writing muscles every once in a while, so I can't even imagine what it's like wanting to start up a business that could be a career.
However:
Buri Reborn wrote:I'd have to say their strategy of only dealing with "proven delivery" is pretty bad at this point. Of the products I listed before only one has been successful in market. Just saying. Granted, I'm not aware of other digital...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T16:59:27ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#492019-03-27T05:10:44Z2019-03-27T04:52:44Z<p>Agreed, which is unfortunate. In my case I didn't even get to show a business plan so there was no chance to demonstrate ability beyond technical skill. Correction, I didn’t even get to demonstrate that. Startups are great at innovation. Which, since their content and brand is tightly licensed, I don't see the risk of releasing something that would make Paizo look bad as there's no reason to not have a review and approval period. It would take some time to review, but quality becomes apparent fairly quickly.</p>
<p>I'm hard pressed to think they don't review other products they license. In fact, I know they do given commentary around Goblinworks, Owlcat, and the HeroLab competitor that fell through (can't remember the name). Even more, there is such a rich area about Pathfinder Society and online management that could be possible with Paizo as the hub. I simply have no faith these and other areas will be fully modernized and will be perpetually several years behind the state of the art.</p>
<p>I'd have to say their strategy of only dealing with "proven delivery" is pretty bad at this point. Of the products I listed before only one has been successful in market. Just saying. Granted, I'm not aware of other digital products they partnered to create.</p>Agreed, which is unfortunate. In my case I didn't even get to show a business plan so there was no chance to demonstrate ability beyond technical skill. Correction, I didn’t even get to demonstrate that. Startups are great at innovation. Which, since their content and brand is tightly licensed, I don't see the risk of releasing something that would make Paizo look bad as there's no reason to not have a review and approval period. It would take some time to review, but quality becomes apparent...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T04:52:44ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: What do you think about the digital future of Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42ik9?What-do-you-think-about-the-digital-future-of#472019-03-27T03:33:37Z2019-03-27T03:33:37Z<p>I would LOVE to build robust tools for Pathfinder. I've asked to time and time again. I can't get Paizo to take me seriously, apparently. Their licensing model is their worst enemy in a digital world.</p>
<p>When I've talked to Vic about this, I utterly failed at getting anything set in motion simply because I didn't already have a company established even though I can prove my qualifications very quickly. I was flatly denied before I even got the chance though. I also have very qualified colleagues who would love to do this. I simply don't understand why this space is hard to improve.</p>
<p>The long and short of Paizo's stance as I understand it is that if you aren't already a large company or a company that is a long-time incumbent in the RPG space, you have no chance.</p>I would LOVE to build robust tools for Pathfinder. I've asked to time and time again. I can't get Paizo to take me seriously, apparently. Their licensing model is their worst enemy in a digital world.
When I've talked to Vic about this, I utterly failed at getting anything set in motion simply because I didn't already have a company established even though I can prove my qualifications very quickly. I was flatly denied before I even got the chance though. I also have very qualified...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2019-03-27T03:33:37ZRe: Forums: Website Feedback: Website Update 7/31/2018Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v9k2&page=3?Website-Update-7312018#1262018-09-02T01:59:05Z2018-09-02T01:59:05Z<p>The gap for 4k resolutions is still there.</p>The gap for 4k resolutions is still there.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-09-02T01:59:05ZForums: Website Feedback: On 4k site has huge marginBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2vbd2?On-4k-site-has-huge-margin#12018-08-10T09:09:02Z2018-08-10T09:09:02Z<p>See: https://imgur.com/a/BCqAiPe</p>
<p>It doesn't matter where I go. If the site design didn't appear to want to take up the entire screen space I wouldn't even be writing this. But as is, it looks odd.</p>See: https://imgur.com/a/BCqAiPe
It doesn't matter where I go. If the site design didn't appear to want to take up the entire screen space I wouldn't even be writing this. But as is, it looks odd.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-08-10T09:09:02ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest General Discussion: Cheliax ignored in the CRB?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2v9m3?Cheliax-ignored-in-the-CRB#442018-08-10T01:53:11Z2018-08-10T01:53:11Z<p>Azlant gets no mention either outside of the Wayfinder description.</p>Azlant gets no mention either outside of the Wayfinder description.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-08-10T01:53:11ZForums: Classes: Please cut down on ability repetitionBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2vakt?Please-cut-down-on-ability-repetition#12018-08-06T01:30:47Z2018-08-05T23:43:00Z<p>Across the class entries, I noticed a LOT of duplication. Can we move toward authoritative references rather than inclusion via copy/paste? Maybe this involves moving all feats to their own chapter so class inclusions work more similarly to spell lists.</p>
<p>This could also give more room for text for class entries while having the exact same amount of feats we have now. If that isn't acceptable, then we should have a way of unified commonalities. For instance, such as an entry that simply says "all spell casters can decide to add two more cantrips in place of a class feat" and so on.</p>
<p>Either way, I'd appreciate making systemic assumptions (e.g. casters can choose to add more cantrips) explicit rather than implied by •just happening• to notice identical entries between all caster classes, or martial classes, etc.</p>Across the class entries, I noticed a LOT of duplication. Can we move toward authoritative references rather than inclusion via copy/paste? Maybe this involves moving all feats to their own chapter so class inclusions work more similarly to spell lists.
This could also give more room for text for class entries while having the exact same amount of feats we have now. If that isn't acceptable, then we should have a way of unified commonalities. For instance, such as an entry that simply says...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-08-05T23:43:00ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Everyone Has a PastBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lks3&page=6?Everyone-Has-a-Past#2892018-05-12T14:42:03Z2018-05-12T14:42:03Z<p>Can you double up on boosts? So, with blacksmith, you give the required boost to STR and then use the free one on STR as well?</p>Can you double up on boosts? So, with blacksmith, you give the required boost to STR and then use the free one on STR as well?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-05-12T14:42:03ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Eminent DomainsBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkqt&page=2?Eminent-Domains#852018-04-27T20:31:53Z2018-04-27T20:31:53Z<p>On spells, spell points, and so on, is there a unified wording over points = casting? One of the GMs I know takes a hard line interpretation between "number of spells known/prepped" and "number of spell slots." This would interact with things like pearls of power in their games as, sure, you can cast the spell again, but you don't get the spell slot itself back and would come across lackluster in those games.</p>On spells, spell points, and so on, is there a unified wording over points = casting? One of the GMs I know takes a hard line interpretation between "number of spells known/prepped" and "number of spell slots." This would interact with things like pearls of power in their games as, sure, you can cast the spell again, but you don't get the spell slot itself back and would come across lackluster in those games.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-04-27T20:31:53ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Paizo Blog: Big Beards and Pointy EarsBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkoy&page=9?Big-Beards-and-Pointy-Ears#4062018-04-10T03:34:04Z2018-04-09T06:10:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Fuzzypaws wrote:</div><blockquote>And what would you give other races to be as good as these overpowered omnicompetent Elf-Gods you want to see? :p </blockquote><p>I see where they're coming from. There has been a large disconnect from their lore and mechanics. I've stated in the past that if the lore is true, they probably shouldn't be a PC race but that's about as much of a sacred cow as you can get right next to wizards as a class. I hope something along these lines is addressed in 2E.Fuzzypaws wrote:And what would you give other races to be as good as these overpowered omnicompetent Elf-Gods you want to see? :p
I see where they're coming from. There has been a large disconnect from their lore and mechanics. I've stated in the past that if the lore is true, they probably shouldn't be a PC race but that's about as much of a sacred cow as you can get right next to wizards as a class. I hope something along these lines is addressed in 2E.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-04-09T06:10:37ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: What is going to be your test of the new system?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uz6t&page=2?What-is-going-to-be-your-test-of-the-new-system#662018-03-20T05:46:11Z2018-03-20T05:46:11Z<p>I’m playing a spell sage wizard that is so much fun. So, how much I can recreate a ‘screw schools, I want the powa’ wizard with just the CRB.</p>I’m playing a spell sage wizard that is so much fun. So, how much I can recreate a ‘screw schools, I want the powa’ wizard with just the CRB.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-03-20T05:46:11ZForums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Future Setting AdvancementBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uzsq?Future-Setting-Advancement#12018-03-20T03:01:47Z2018-03-20T03:01:47Z<p>I can completely understand why the setting hasn't really advanced in the last 10 years. However, with the rollup in the 2E release, are we going to see it structured to let smaller updates be viable rather than waiting for an entirely new edition to see the setting evolve?</p>I can completely understand why the setting hasn't really advanced in the last 10 years. However, with the rollup in the 2E release, are we going to see it structured to let smaller updates be viable rather than waiting for an entirely new edition to see the setting evolve?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-03-20T03:01:47ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Can we please have bigger bestiaries in PF2?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uy6j&page=4?Can-we-please-have-bigger-bestiaries-in-PF2#1842018-03-15T04:42:02Z2018-03-15T04:42:02Z<p>As someone who would like larger bestiaries and more info on each monster, I'd propose a mix. If we are getting CRB amount of pages, doing what has been done with the deity books where the staples get multiple page entries but that winds down as you get to lesser known creatures. Doing so in a style similar to Volo's Guide by applying a sense of having a coherent author and voice would also apply a very natural feel and be more conversational. How stats play into that might be just want the author has discovered. It also let's you weave mystery into monsters which would inherently give GMs signal to use as they need. These long form bestiaries could also contain entries for things that might not have stats like gods, not that they should be in bestiaries but they are a very "no stats but still entity" part or the setting. It could also let you re-release entries to explain more naturally how the entries and system evolves over time.</p>As someone who would like larger bestiaries and more info on each monster, I'd propose a mix. If we are getting CRB amount of pages, doing what has been done with the deity books where the staples get multiple page entries but that winds down as you get to lesser known creatures. Doing so in a style similar to Volo's Guide by applying a sense of having a coherent author and voice would also apply a very natural feel and be more conversational. How stats play into that might be just want the...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-03-15T04:42:02ZForums: Pathfinder Playtest Prerelease Discussion: Can we tweak the spell schools?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uyli?Can-we-tweak-the-spell-schools#12018-03-09T06:46:53Z2018-03-09T06:46:53Z<p>Some spells have always felt like they are in the wrong category to me. In particular, healing being conjuration instead of necromancy given the following feels off.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Necromancy spells manipulate the power of death, unlife, and the life force.</blockquote><p>As such, I wish the whole Healing subschool would fall under Necromancy. Given the Golarion tie in for 2E, go ahead and say that the life force is always moved instead of simply made out of thin air. Divine casters draw from their deity’s essence while arcane draws from the land, another creature, etc.
<p>Similarly, Creation should probably go under Evocation given its description.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>In effect, an evocation draws upon magic to create something out of nothing.</blockquote><p>So forth and so on...Some spells have always felt like they are in the wrong category to me. In particular, healing being conjuration instead of necromancy given the following feels off.
Quote:Necromancy spells manipulate the power of death, unlife, and the life force.
As such, I wish the whole Healing subschool would fall under Necromancy. Given the Golarion tie in for 2E, go ahead and say that the life force is always moved instead of simply made out of thin air. Divine casters draw from their deity’s essence...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2018-03-09T06:46:53ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: What is general opinion on Aroden mystery?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u380&page=9?What-is-general-opinion-on-Aroden-mystery#4092017-02-10T19:33:30Z2017-02-10T19:33:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rysky wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Um, we have so far.</p>
<p>That and saying that having his death occur only 100 years ago causes plot holes in backstories of all long lived PC races is bit of an exaggeration.</blockquote><p>We have so far what?
<p>It's really not considering how active he was with humanity and the faith. That the setting seemingly expects the denizens of Golarion to have come so close to the divine and to go on like nothing happened relatively soon after is a bit of a stretch. Tbh, I'm surprised more counties didn't do what Cheliax did and align itself wholesale to a particular deity.</p>
<p>My point was that even with a huge event in real history where the vast majority of participants have now died, we still talk about it frequently, make sure it's taught in core educational curriculum, publish works multiple times a year that produce billions in revenues, and so on. Contrast that with Golarion's relatively sparse handling of Aroden's death and it just doesn't add up. THEN to be told to focus on other things takes a weird feeling and pushes it to the point like something is wrong there.</p>Rysky wrote:Um, we have so far.
That and saying that having his death occur only 100 years ago causes plot holes in backstories of all long lived PC races is bit of an exaggeration.
We have so far what? It's really not considering how active he was with humanity and the faith. That the setting seemingly expects the denizens of Golarion to have come so close to the divine and to go on like nothing happened relatively soon after is a bit of a stretch. Tbh, I'm surprised more counties didn't...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-02-10T19:33:30ZRe: Forums/Lost Omens Campaign Setting: General Discussion: What is general opinion on Aroden mystery?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u380&page=9?What-is-general-opinion-on-Aroden-mystery#4062017-05-01T02:28:38Z2017-02-10T18:54:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">James Jacobs wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I'm sorry some folks are disappointed or frustrated by our decision to keep Aroden's death a mystery.</p>
<p>If this one mystery is ruining the setting for you, then maybe you should consider telling other stories in Golarion that focus on topics other than Aroden. That's pretty much what we've done with the setting—Aroden's death set up the current era, but we aren't interested in telling stories about Aroden's death. That's why we had that event occur a century BEFORE the current in-game year. We are more interested in telling other stories in a world that, 100 years ago, had a significant change take place.</p>
<p>If not knowing how Aroden died is that big a deal, then maybe Golarion isn't the setting for you. That's fine. Not everyone has to like every thing. </blockquote><p>I think, perhaps, the more fundamental misstep was in only pinning it 100 years ago. Any elf PC, a core race, was born into the "Aroden is coming" promised land. Since release, many other PC races can very conceivably have lived much of their lives during that time. So, not knowing is a hole in PC's backstories whether the player realizes it or not.
<p>As they get more familiar with the official setting and its timeline, even though it doesn't consciously register, the depth of the hole increases. Throw these characters into the world and it's still very fresh. Look at the prevalence of the wars of the 20th century and how they still play an exceedingly strong role in pop culture. That kind of influence won't wane for another couple hundred years and everyone IRL is just a plain human and not surrounded by a chorus of folks with relatively fresh memories who likely heard his voice through communes and whatnot.</p>
<p>Aroden should have died 1,000+ years or so ago. How the aboleths called down the Starstone is an acceptable "it just happened" because NO ONE has a connection to those events. Aroden is much, much too fresh in the setting. So, to say "tell other stories," comes across flat. There is practically no story in a cohesive sense that is untouched by those events and yet you want us to simply move on. Sorry, people don't work like that.</p>James Jacobs wrote:I'm sorry some folks are disappointed or frustrated by our decision to keep Aroden's death a mystery.
If this one mystery is ruining the setting for you, then maybe you should consider telling other stories in Golarion that focus on topics other than Aroden. That's pretty much what we've done with the setting—Aroden's death set up the current era, but we aren't interested in telling stories about Aroden's death. That's why we had that event occur a century BEFORE the...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-02-10T18:54:39ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Discussion on the Topic of GMs "Cheating"Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u620&page=12?Discussion-on-the-Topic-of-GMs-Cheating#5902017-02-10T12:46:28Z2017-02-10T12:46:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">OilHorse wrote:</div><blockquote>Still a Pathfinder base is it not? Core mechanics are the same? Just a little modding here and there, nothing to egregious. That to most people would still be considered Pathfinder.</blockquote><p>Eh. While not entirely wrong, a heavily house ruled campaign can easily be a negative factor of if I want to play. It's not even a dislike of the particular house rules. It's more a matter of having to do huge mental shifts of how I play that particular game compared to the vast majority of my other games. The mere act of playing almost become a chore and likely turns into me declining to participate.OilHorse wrote:Still a Pathfinder base is it not? Core mechanics are the same? Just a little modding here and there, nothing to egregious. That to most people would still be considered Pathfinder.
Eh. While not entirely wrong, a heavily house ruled campaign can easily be a negative factor of if I want to play. It's not even a dislike of the particular house rules. It's more a matter of having to do huge mental shifts of how I play that particular game compared to the vast majority of my...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-02-10T12:46:28ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Are witch hexes obvious?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u1p6&page=2?Are-witch-hexes-obvious#542017-02-07T12:23:43Z2017-02-07T12:23:43Z<p>Secret saves and checks are totally a thing.</p>Secret saves and checks are totally a thing.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-02-07T12:23:43ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Please no Ultimate XX....or YY adventuresBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u5lz&page=2?Please-no-Ultimate-XXor-YY-adventures#702017-02-20T13:36:20Z2017-02-03T09:46:07Z<p>For all the details that went into the classic D&D settings, I can totally understand the desire for granular info about regions, cities, even particular buildings. Sure, you can say those were curated over a few decades. Well, Golarion is about to crest upon its first. Plus, there is only 1 official setting for Pathfinder instead of the myriad for D&D. So, when does Golarion get that kind of depth? I also miss the old style city stat blocks that had things like realistic populations and total asset values.</p>
<p>I've just spent the last 4 days tearing through two Tales books so I can't fault Paizo for what they have done. However, I can see where certain themes, stories, and arcs are often recycled even between different authors because the setting isn't really all that deep though it is broad. Something I wish would be different is this forum's reactions to such requests being an instant "no one wants that" echo chamber. The OP is FAR from alone. Is the demand enough to make the setting materials far eclipse the rules materials? Unsure. Is Paizo large enough to support that kind of detail? Again, unsure. Even so, the market <i>does</i> exist.</p>For all the details that went into the classic D&D settings, I can totally understand the desire for granular info about regions, cities, even particular buildings. Sure, you can say those were curated over a few decades. Well, Golarion is about to crest upon its first. Plus, there is only 1 official setting for Pathfinder instead of the myriad for D&D. So, when does Golarion get that kind of depth? I also miss the old style city stat blocks that had things like realistic populations and...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-02-03T09:46:07ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Why the resistance to limiting spellcasters?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u4mt&page=12?Why-the-resistance-to-limiting-spellcasters#5712017-01-28T03:23:30Z2017-01-28T03:23:30Z<p>They could be using the ISWG classification of levels 16+.</p>They could be using the ISWG classification of levels 16+.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-01-28T03:23:30ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Am I reading Celestial healing right?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tp7k&page=3?Am-I-reading-Celestial-healing-right#1132017-01-19T01:26:26Z2017-01-19T01:26:26Z<p>The final price on ANY magic item is more strongly dictated by the overall item. All the formulas do is put you in the right ballpark. You •can• use the formula numbers as many items do but that is not necessarily the main determining factor.</p>The final price on ANY magic item is more strongly dictated by the overall item. All the formulas do is put you in the right ballpark. You *can* use the formula numbers as many items do but that is not necessarily the main determining factor.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-01-19T01:26:26ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Why the resistance to limiting spellcasters?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u4mt?Why-the-resistance-to-limiting-spellcasters#312017-01-27T02:16:14Z2017-01-19T01:16:19Z<p>Are the Unchained limitations insufficient?</p>
<p>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/unchained/magic/spellAlterations.html</p>Are the Unchained limitations insufficient?
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/unchained/magic/spellAlterations.htmlBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-01-19T01:16:19ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Am I reading Celestial healing right?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tp7k&page=3?Am-I-reading-Celestial-healing-right#1012017-01-20T22:50:39Z2017-01-18T04:33:42Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">_Ozy_ wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cavall wrote:</div><blockquote> Unfortunately because it has no listed price, the blood of angles and demons is free and apparently falls from the sky like rain. </blockquote>I would like an official price for a drop of devil blood. I can start my devil harvesting business and make millions! </blockquote><p>We'd also need rules on how much blood (how many drops) each kind of devil has.
<p>I suspect this may have something to do with why no price is given. </blockquote><p>It would be ridiculously little relative to mass for the same reason massive dragons only have enough scales for full-plate if you're small.thejeff wrote:_Ozy_ wrote: Cavall wrote: Unfortunately because it has no listed price, the blood of angles and demons is free and apparently falls from the sky like rain.
I would like an official price for a drop of devil blood. I can start my devil harvesting business and make millions! We'd also need rules on how much blood (how many drops) each kind of devil has. I suspect this may have something to do with why no price is given. It would be ridiculously little relative to mass for the...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-01-18T04:33:42ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Anything you feel 3.x did better than Pathfinder?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u403&page=4?Anything-you-feel-3x-did-better-than-Pathfinder#1762017-01-15T22:23:57Z2017-01-15T22:23:57Z<p>Rule and flavor presentation</p>Rule and flavor presentationBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-01-15T22:23:57ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Stealth vs. DarkvisionBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u3kt?Stealth-vs-Darkvision#22017-01-01T19:29:32Z2017-01-01T19:29:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>I know its impossible to hide in plain sight from someone with darkvision without invisibility or something like it.</blockquote><p>Why? As long as they make their check and end in cover or concealment, what makes darkvision special?Quote:I know its impossible to hide in plain sight from someone with darkvision without invisibility or something like it.
Why? As long as they make their check and end in cover or concealment, what makes darkvision special?Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2017-01-01T19:29:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Synthesist QuestionsBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u3fm?Synthesist-Questions#32016-12-30T04:03:45Z2016-12-30T04:03:45Z<p>I've always taken the Twin Eidolon to mean there's literally two of you for a time. Basically, all the jacked up abilities of your fused self with the action economy of the base summoner with a normal eidolon. Two full characters with full rounds of actions each.</p>I've always taken the Twin Eidolon to mean there's literally two of you for a time. Basically, all the jacked up abilities of your fused self with the action economy of the base summoner with a normal eidolon. Two full characters with full rounds of actions each.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2016-12-30T04:03:45ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Aasimar Summoner Favored Class BonusBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u37e?Aasimar-Summoner-Favored-Class-Bonus#22016-12-25T20:32:47Z2016-12-25T20:32:47Z<p>You're being way too strict in your reading. Stop that.</p>
<p>First time, add DR 1/evil. Next time? That increases by +1/2.</p>You're being way too strict in your reading. Stop that.
First time, add DR 1/evil. Next time? That increases by +1/2.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2016-12-25T20:32:47ZRe: Forums: Advice: Fighting higher level wizard with a magus.Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u35z?Fighting-higher-level-wizard-with-a-magus#22016-12-24T21:00:28Z2016-12-24T21:00:28Z<p>Be ready for quickened spells for double whammy 1 round damage/death and time stop shenanigans. Even if he appears weak at the start, next round he could be godly. Backup plans for backup plans. Contingencies, blocking teleportation effects, gaining mindblank for your party, and so on, will greatly improve your chances. Getting into a spell off is unadvisable, though anti-magic field might be good if you can trap him in it and not yourselves. Basically, you want to lock him down and beat him with pointy sticks. Oh, and even if you do all that, he could just be an astral projection or a simulacrum of himself and it was all for nothing. Plus, he could have clones ready. So, expect to have to fight him 3 or 4 times at full health, and surprise nukes to the face after you think you've won. That is more dependent on how your GM runs him, though. But, that's what high levels casters can do.</p>Be ready for quickened spells for double whammy 1 round damage/death and time stop shenanigans. Even if he appears weak at the start, next round he could be godly. Backup plans for backup plans. Contingencies, blocking teleportation effects, gaining mindblank for your party, and so on, will greatly improve your chances. Getting into a spell off is unadvisable, though anti-magic field might be good if you can trap him in it and not yourselves. Basically, you want to lock him down and beat him...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2016-12-24T21:00:28ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: I'm starting to think pathfinder 2.0 should happenBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u1uj&page=14?Im-starting-to-think-pathfinder-20-should-happen#6602016-12-21T02:00:39Z2016-12-21T00:13:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Letric wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">edduardco wrote:</div><blockquote> And again, high magic is some of the things that makes D&D/Pathfinder special and stand apart from other TTRPG. If you don't like high magic perhaps this is no the best system for your table. For me it makes more sense that a company protect their niche and what makes them special than throw it away and compete with the same product that other companies. </blockquote><p>But this is the point. Why be something so useless when you can be a Wizard, or Cleric.
<p>You can keep Vancian Casting without being broken. It's not the system, it's the spells.
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If you like playing a game with auto-win spells, well, there's nothing wrong. But not everyone enjoys doing it. And if enemies would use the same tactics PC use, there wouldn't be a campaign that last enough, because party would be murdered in seconds.</p>
<p>Everyone knows a party of Wizards works, while a Party of Rogues cries in the corner.
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Magic can be powerful, yes, but being powerfull and allmighty and super versatile at the same time, well... </blockquote><p>Spells are always going to auto-win •something• unless you're talking about making magic more a sideshow or roleplay device only.Letric wrote:edduardco wrote: And again, high magic is some of the things that makes D&D/Pathfinder special and stand apart from other TTRPG. If you don't like high magic perhaps this is no the best system for your table. For me it makes more sense that a company protect their niche and what makes them special than throw it away and compete with the same product that other companies.
But this is the point. Why be something so useless when you can be a Wizard, or Cleric. You can keep Vancian...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2016-12-21T00:13:30ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: I'm starting to think pathfinder 2.0 should happenBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u1uj&page=12?Im-starting-to-think-pathfinder-20-should-happen#5762016-12-18T20:41:43Z2016-12-18T20:41:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">WormysQueue wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Buri Reborn wrote:</div><blockquote>I think this is largely AP dependent. I know playing Rise Anniversary Edition, it was basically a meat grinder ending in a face plant. A 3 year campaign ended in a TPK in book 6 and there just wasn't the collective will to continue. </blockquote>Yeah, but RotRL was the very first of the Pathfinder campaigns so it kinda supports my argument. I haven't read through the anniversary edition so far but I would have thought that it was revised with core only in mind. Am I wrong there? </blockquote><p>Yes. Flipping through the AE, I see Bestiary 2 and APG. Basically, the hardbacks at the time.WormysQueue wrote:Buri Reborn wrote:I think this is largely AP dependent. I know playing Rise Anniversary Edition, it was basically a meat grinder ending in a face plant. A 3 year campaign ended in a TPK in book 6 and there just wasn't the collective will to continue.
Yeah, but RotRL was the very first of the Pathfinder campaigns so it kinda supports my argument. I haven't read through the anniversary edition so far but I would have thought that it was revised with core only in mind. Am I...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2016-12-18T20:41:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: I'm starting to think pathfinder 2.0 should happenBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u1uj&page=12?Im-starting-to-think-pathfinder-20-should-happen#5712016-12-19T17:34:34Z2016-12-18T19:40:59Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">WormysQueue wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Statboy wrote:</div><blockquote> You have to make a powerful build to play the canned campaigns right now. </blockquote>Really? Personally I think that the campaigns have gotten way too easy over the years, so I've come to find them much more interesting if you're playing them without what is nowadays considered a "strong" build. </blockquote><p>I think this is largely AP dependent. I know playing Rise Anniversary Edition, it was basically a meat grinder ending in a face plant. A 3 year campaign ended in a TPK in book 6 and there just wasn't the collective will to continue.WormysQueue wrote:Statboy wrote: You have to make a powerful build to play the canned campaigns right now.
Really? Personally I think that the campaigns have gotten way too easy over the years, so I've come to find them much more interesting if you're playing them without what is nowadays considered a "strong" build. I think this is largely AP dependent. I know playing Rise Anniversary Edition, it was basically a meat grinder ending in a face plant. A 3 year campaign ended in a TPK in book 6...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2016-12-18T19:40:59ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: I'm starting to think pathfinder 2.0 should happenBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u1uj&page=12?Im-starting-to-think-pathfinder-20-should-happen#5692016-12-18T19:35:19Z2016-12-18T19:35:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MMCJawa wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Milo v3 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">MMCJawa wrote:</div><blockquote> Actually, maybe based on the excitement it is causing, it sounds like the plan is now to do at least 1-2 hardcovers a year. So it won't get anywhere near the support of regular Pathfinder (with setting neutral hardcovers, Campaign setting, and player companion lines), but it is going to get some steady support outside the adventure paths. </blockquote><p>Nope. In interviews they say their plan is:
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"With Starfinder we’re looking to do away with the distinction of "This is a rules book, this is a campaign setting book versus an adventure." If you like Starfinder, subscribe to the Starfinder line, get the adventure path, and that’ll also give you your rules for things related to it. The hope is that every month people will be getting another cool bite of that universe, whether it’s lore or crunch."</p>
<p>Iirc, there will be two hardcovers (The Starfinder book itself, and a bestiary), but I haven't seen any info that suggests such a thing with be happening yearly.</p>
<p>So, since I don't want to waste my time with not ever using 2/3rd of each book after the start, it's not really for me. </blockquote><p>The most recent interview about Starfinder has the following quote:
<div class="messageboard-quotee">James Sutter wrote:</div><blockquote>"We put out a lot of books for Pathfinder. In addition to the core rulebooks and the adventure paths we have the campaign setting books and the player companions. We’ve got a lot of stuff that we’re putting out there, and while that’s great and we’re excited that there’s that appetite from the audience, we simply don’t have the staff to do the same thing for Starfinder as well. And also we’ve heard a lot of people saying over the years: “God, I would love to collect all the Pathfinder stuff, but there’s just too much of it for me to stay current.” So one of the things we’re doing with Starfinder is really ramping back and saying: <b>“Okay, we’re going to publish a couple of big books a year and then we’re going to have the main way you get new information about Starfinder be though the</b></blockquote>... </blockquote><p>I hope they continue the trend of making those hardcovers general, overarching, resources to use anywhere and so on. And, I hope because there are only a few per year they are large and have info both wide and deep. As long as the APs aren't soft requirements to play each other or have interesting options, it should be fine.MMCJawa wrote:Milo v3 wrote: MMCJawa wrote: Actually, maybe based on the excitement it is causing, it sounds like the plan is now to do at least 1-2 hardcovers a year. So it won't get anywhere near the support of regular Pathfinder (with setting neutral hardcovers, Campaign setting, and player companion lines), but it is going to get some steady support outside the adventure paths.
Nope. In interviews they say their plan is:
"With Starfinder we’re looking to do away with the distinction of...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2016-12-18T19:35:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: I'm starting to think pathfinder 2.0 should happenBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u1uj&page=12?Im-starting-to-think-pathfinder-20-should-happen#5522016-12-19T17:30:14Z2016-12-18T09:38:47Z<p>I am fine with crowdsourcing ideas but I think my implication behind what that looks like is different from yours and absolutely different from your example.</p>
<p>Get all the ideas you want, let popularity dictate which get attention first, etc., etc. But, after that, have a strong team in private interpret what the result is and to balance the rest of the game with those things in mind. Notice how I said letting popularity dictate which get attention first and not letting it dictate the outcome.</p>
<p>You can't just take feedback, release product, and expect a pat on the back as you've shown. There's more to it than that. You also need a team that is very close with customers. Paizo has shown it can work that feedback loop well. They just need to do it.</p>
<p>Perhaps, as an idea, even have various members of the community that get randomly selected based on some criteria. Regardless of the criteria, the pool should be large and frequently changing who gets selected. Let them be special consultants or something similar in exchange for some free product. Nothing ridiculous, but like 10 or 20 people. Experienced GMs and the like, but to Paizo-ify it, that shouldn't just mean PFS volunteers either. So, no where near the hassle of having a full open beta each and every time, but the goal is to be a kind of gut check and to get some dedicated feedback from folks who are in the trenches, so to speak.</p>I am fine with crowdsourcing ideas but I think my implication behind what that looks like is different from yours and absolutely different from your example.
Get all the ideas you want, let popularity dictate which get attention first, etc., etc. But, after that, have a strong team in private interpret what the result is and to balance the rest of the game with those things in mind. Notice how I said letting popularity dictate which get attention first and not letting it dictate the
...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2016-12-18T09:38:47ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: I'm starting to think pathfinder 2.0 should happenBuri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u1uj&page=11?Im-starting-to-think-pathfinder-20-should-happen#5502017-02-18T19:34:04Z2016-12-18T08:49:49Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">The King In Yellow wrote:</div><blockquote>But mostly to point out that just because some people think things need to be trimmed down, or re-balanced, or options cut back... doesn't mean the options YOU want cut back are going to be the ones that get cut back, or balanced, or the like.</blockquote><p>That's fair. My only real requirement in a new version to to learn from the old one and to try to make the next version better based on the feedback of the community and to make it consistent with itself. I think all any of us can do is prop up our own little reasons why to nudge at Paizo to show it is wanted.The King In Yellow wrote:But mostly to point out that just because some people think things need to be trimmed down, or re-balanced, or options cut back... doesn't mean the options YOU want cut back are going to be the ones that get cut back, or balanced, or the like.
That's fair. My only real requirement in a new version to to learn from the old one and to try to make the next version better based on the feedback of the community and to make it consistent with itself. I think all any of us...Buri Reborn (alias of Uwotm8)2016-12-18T08:49:49ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Dsicussion for After KingmakerEdyrm (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/campaigns/LifeAfterKingmaker/discussion#82015-09-05T22:26:02Z2015-09-05T22:26:02Z<p>I took 390 since 15 pt buy is heroic for NPCs.</p>I took 390 since 15 pt buy is heroic for NPCs.Edyrm (alias of Uwotm8)2015-09-05T22:26:02ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: GameplayEdyrm (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/campaigns/LifeAfterKingmaker/gameplay#232015-09-05T15:43:10Z2015-09-05T15:43:10Z<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>Assuming Bash's stats are accurate and looks obviously more capable. </span></p>
<p>Edyrm rests against a nearby wall.</p>
<p><b>"Good luck!"</b> He bellows trying to encourage the orc.</p>
<p><b>"You're going to need it."</b> He thinks to himself.</p>Assuming Bash's stats are accurate and looks obviously more capable.
Edyrm rests against a nearby wall.
"Good luck!" He bellows trying to encourage the orc.
"You're going to need it." He thinks to himself.Edyrm (alias of Uwotm8)2015-09-05T15:43:10ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: Dsicussion for After KingmakerEdyrm (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/campaigns/LifeAfterKingmaker/discussion#62015-09-05T15:36:16Z2015-09-05T15:36:16Z<p>Are we taking average hp or max for the first npc level?</p>Are we taking average hp or max for the first npc level?Edyrm (alias of Uwotm8)2015-09-05T15:36:16ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post: GameplayEdyrm (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/campaigns/LifeAfterKingmaker/gameplay#202015-09-05T13:03:22Z2015-09-05T13:03:22Z<p>Edyrm strolls around town taking care to notice the sights, taking notices in his journal every thousand feet or so. Marking down how people might travel the town, what's next to what, and so on. Like his training taught him, know your terrain. Passing by the Pink Bunny ("<b>weird name</b>," he thinks to himself) and hearing the commotion he runs inside.</p>
<p>Taking a moment to look around and see the half-orc and tattoo-faced human, he shouts, <b>"What's going on here?!"</b></p>Edyrm strolls around town taking care to notice the sights, taking notices in his journal every thousand feet or so. Marking down how people might travel the town, what's next to what, and so on. Like his training taught him, know your terrain. Passing by the Pink Bunny ("weird name," he thinks to himself) and hearing the commotion he runs inside.
Taking a moment to look around and see the half-orc and tattoo-faced human, he shouts, "What's going on here?!"Edyrm (alias of Uwotm8)2015-09-05T13:03:22ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: After KingmakerEdyrm (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/campaigns/LifeAfterKingmaker/recruiting#262015-09-05T01:54:12Z2015-09-05T01:54:12Z<p>Mr. Rone, if given the choice. I'll serve (more or less) faithfully under Mr. Nessy. But, given the choice, the non-orc is <i>clearly</i> the more capable captain.</p>Mr. Rone, if given the choice. I'll serve (more or less) faithfully under Mr. Nessy. But, given the choice, the non-orc is clearly the more capable captain.Edyrm (alias of Uwotm8)2015-09-05T01:54:12ZRe: Forums: Recruitment: After KingmakerEdyrm (alias of Uwotm8)https://paizo.com/campaigns/LifeAfterKingmaker/recruiting#212015-09-04T23:56:42Z2015-09-04T23:56:42Z<p>Edyrm, reporting for the watch.</p>Edyrm, reporting for the watch.Edyrm (alias of Uwotm8)2015-09-04T23:56:42ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Fighter going mythic? Choose archmage. Here's why.Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwwn&page=4?Fighter-going-mythic-Choose-archmage-Heres-why#1572015-01-25T18:22:19Z2015-01-25T18:22:19Z<p>It is an extreme assertion. According to the assertion, a level 1/mr 1 archmage can cast wish. Any is any right? You can only do this if you're a fighter. A wizard couldn't. That alone makes it an automatic no.</p>It is an extreme assertion. According to the assertion, a level 1/mr 1 archmage can cast wish. Any is any right? You can only do this if you're a fighter. A wizard couldn't. That alone makes it an automatic no.Uwotm82015-01-25T18:22:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Fighter going mythic? Choose archmage. Here's why.Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwwn&page=3?Fighter-going-mythic-Choose-archmage-Heres-why#1442015-01-25T09:34:47Z2015-01-25T09:34:47Z<p>CL for supernatural abilities tend to be equal to your HD. I don't think that's a RAW rule, but it's how the math breaks down for most any SU ability with a save.</p>CL for supernatural abilities tend to be equal to your HD. I don't think that's a RAW rule, but it's how the math breaks down for most any SU ability with a save.Uwotm82015-01-25T09:34:47ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: New FAQ: New Spells KnownUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r93x&page=5?New-FAQ-New-Spells-Known#2102015-01-23T14:56:22Z2015-01-23T14:56:22Z<p>An unfortunate reality is that small wording tweaks could fix a LOT of things! However, we are more likely to see sweeping ruling in FAQs. It's ridiculous, but it's what Paizo seems intent on doing. My guess is they're concerned to the point of paranoia over page counts. That's a new Holy Grail.</p>An unfortunate reality is that small wording tweaks could fix a LOT of things! However, we are more likely to see sweeping ruling in FAQs. It's ridiculous, but it's what Paizo seems intent on doing. My guess is they're concerned to the point of paranoia over page counts. That's a new Holy Grail.Uwotm82015-01-23T14:56:22ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Surprise Rounds: Perception DC?Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwpo?Surprise-Rounds-Perception-DC#32015-01-23T09:52:49Z2015-01-23T09:52:49Z<p>I'd like a rule on it better. :) Failing that, guidance on what and when would be good, too.</p>I'd like a rule on it better. :) Failing that, guidance on what and when would be good, too.Uwotm82015-01-23T09:52:49ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: My DM says I am abusing Alchemical AllocationUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rw74&page=3?My-DM-says-I-am-abusing-Alchemical-Allocation#1012015-01-23T09:33:15Z2015-01-23T09:33:15Z<p>It's always a good idea to get in the head of your players to know their intentions behind their builds and not just blindly approving one thing or another.</p>It's always a good idea to get in the head of your players to know their intentions behind their builds and not just blindly approving one thing or another.Uwotm82015-01-23T09:33:15ZRe: Forums: Advice: so yeah... just murdered a high level wizardUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwnp&page=2?so-yeah-just-murdered-a-high-level-wizard#812015-01-23T11:51:10Z2015-01-23T09:29:23Z<p>The only question is exactly how long a game has this wizard been playing? What if he left his ability scores intentionally damaged <i>knowing</i> you'd do what you did? What if he's really some 30+ across the board powerhouse just setting you up to be yet another pawn in the cosmic game he's been playing with mortals and gods alike in his now immortal existence because he's really m 10/lvl 20? What if, man... what if...? He's the Trickster I tell you. Perhaps, he's even an actual god himself. >.></p>The only question is exactly how long a game has this wizard been playing? What if he left his ability scores intentionally damaged knowing you'd do what you did? What if he's really some 30+ across the board powerhouse just setting you up to be yet another pawn in the cosmic game he's been playing with mortals and gods alike in his now immortal existence because he's really m 10/lvl 20? What if, man... what if...? He's the Trickster I tell you. Perhaps, he's even an actual god himself. >.>Uwotm82015-01-23T09:29:23ZForums: Rules Questions: Surprise Rounds: Perception DC?Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwpo?Surprise-Rounds-Perception-DC#12015-01-23T08:47:47Z2015-01-23T08:47:47Z<p>In the Combat chapter and perception skill description, calls for perception checks are referred to but it gives no advice for a set DC or even opposed checks between either perception or stealth. Which is it? There is a mention of aware versus unaware. However, you can be aware of an actor and not aware if their intent is hostile. I would still think a perception check is called for if someone tried to randomly attack you if you had no reason to believe they would before hand.</p>In the Combat chapter and perception skill description, calls for perception checks are referred to but it gives no advice for a set DC or even opposed checks between either perception or stealth. Which is it? There is a mention of aware versus unaware. However, you can be aware of an actor and not aware if their intent is hostile. I would still think a perception check is called for if someone tried to randomly attack you if you had no reason to believe they would before hand.Uwotm82015-01-23T08:47:47ZRe: Forums: Advice: so yeah... just murdered a high level wizardUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwnp&page=2?so-yeah-just-murdered-a-high-level-wizard#762015-01-23T08:11:02Z2015-01-23T08:11:02Z<p>Actually reading the spell creates a great case for even wizards not tanking ability scores. There should have been at least 2 rounds in that fight and 1 where the wizard could cast.</p>Actually reading the spell creates a great case for even wizards not tanking ability scores. There should have been at least 2 rounds in that fight and 1 where the wizard could cast.Uwotm82015-01-23T08:11:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: so yeah... just murdered a high level wizardUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwnp&page=2?so-yeah-just-murdered-a-high-level-wizard#732015-01-23T07:27:35Z2015-01-23T07:11:54Z<p>Check for a bookplate of recall, even an invisible one.</p>Check for a bookplate of recall, even an invisible one.Uwotm82015-01-23T07:11:54ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Sacred GeometryUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rb6y&page=9?Sacred-Geometry#4092017-12-17T20:16:33Z2015-01-23T06:45:35Z<p>I consider it na complete.</p>I consider it na complete.Uwotm82015-01-23T06:45:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: so yeah... just murdered a high level wizardUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwnp&page=2?so-yeah-just-murdered-a-high-level-wizard#672015-02-02T20:01:24Z2015-01-23T06:42:34Z<p>You need more <i>explosive runes</i>.</p>
<p>Edit: 30 seconds?!?! :)</p>You need more explosive runes.
Edit: 30 seconds?!?! :)Uwotm82015-01-23T06:42:34ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Angelic invasion of an Evil nation.Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvsp&page=2?Angelic-invasion-of-an-Evil-nation#1002015-01-22T16:02:07Z2015-01-22T05:16:21Z<p>The Paizo forums: sucking the wonder out of the Pathfinder fantasy game since 2008.</p>The Paizo forums: sucking the wonder out of the Pathfinder fantasy game since 2008.Uwotm82015-01-22T05:16:21ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Have a pc using monstrous physique II Popobala to get a 2d6 bite and 1d8 claws. is that legal ?Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwjn?Have-a-pc-using-monstrous-physique-II#212015-01-22T04:17:31Z2015-01-22T04:17:31Z<p>Just because they have multiple forms of natural attack options doesn't mean only one is primary. It's a classification for penalties. It's not to describe a primary and secondary modes of attack.</p>Just because they have multiple forms of natural attack options doesn't mean only one is primary. It's a classification for penalties. It's not to describe a primary and secondary modes of attack.Uwotm82015-01-22T04:17:31ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Have a pc using monstrous physique II Popobala to get a 2d6 bite and 1d8 claws. is that legal ?Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwjn?Have-a-pc-using-monstrous-physique-II#192015-01-22T04:04:46Z2015-01-22T04:04:46Z<p>Claws are primary attacks. Full BAB. No -5.</p>
<p><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/universalMonsterRules.html#natural-attacks" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Natural Attack Rules</a></p>Claws are primary attacks. Full BAB. No -5.
Natural Attack RulesUwotm82015-01-22T04:04:46ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: how free is she?Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwia?how-free-is-she#342015-01-22T02:35:41Z2015-01-22T02:35:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Archae wrote:</div><blockquote>gm isn't deciding anything I've played the refusal as an in character thing </blockquote><p>The point is eidolons are never mindless slaves to your PC. They're intelligent creatures already.Archae wrote:gm isn't deciding anything I've played the refusal as an in character thing
The point is eidolons are never mindless slaves to your PC. They're intelligent creatures already.Uwotm82015-01-22T02:35:41ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: how free is she?Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwia?how-free-is-she#292015-01-22T01:36:39Z2015-01-22T01:36:39Z<p>Eidolons already have free will. They simply recognize you control when they're around so they tend to just do what you say.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ultimate Campaign, Aspects of Control wrote:</div><blockquote>Eidolons: Outside the linear obedience and intelligence scale of sentient and nonsentient companions are eidolons: intelligent entities magically bound to you. Whether you wish to roleplay this relationship as friendly or coerced, the eidolon is inclined to obey you unless you give a command only to spite it. An eidolon would obey a cruel summoner's order to save a child from a burning building, knowing that at worst the fire damage would temporarily banish it, but it wouldn't stand in a bonfire just because the summoner said to. An eidolon is normally a player-controlled companion, but the GM can have the eidolon refuse extreme orders that would cause it to suffer needlessly.</blockquote><p>Eidolons already have free will. They simply recognize you control when they're around so they tend to just do what you say.
Ultimate Campaign, Aspects of Control wrote:Eidolons: Outside the linear obedience and intelligence scale of sentient and nonsentient companions are eidolons: intelligent entities magically bound to you. Whether you wish to roleplay this relationship as friendly or coerced, the eidolon is inclined to obey you unless you give a command only to spite it. An eidolon would...Uwotm82015-01-22T01:36:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Summoner, surprise round, summon monster ability?Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwfn?Summoner-surprise-round-summon-monster-ability#22015-01-21T03:09:08Z2015-01-21T03:09:08Z<p>It's still a surprise round. It should be constrained to a single standard.</p>It's still a surprise round. It should be constrained to a single standard.Uwotm82015-01-21T03:09:08ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: New FAQ: New Spells KnownUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2r93x&page=4?New-FAQ-New-Spells-Known#1962015-01-20T20:10:00Z2015-01-20T20:10:00Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">LazarX wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Mark Seifter wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote><p> No, these FAQs are pretty clearly to plug up some SUV sized holes in the rules that should have been plugged LOOONG ago.</p>
<p>Next up: Simulacrum? </blockquote>In my opinion, <i>simulacrum</i> deserves an entire blog post filled with tips and clarifications, like when Jason did that super-helpful poison blog. </blockquote>Each of the entire simulacrum family of spells, (there's more than one) needs to be looked at from top to bottom. Part of that examination should be the spell's evolution from First Edition onward, and then it needs to be decided what the spell SHOULD give out for Pathfinder, and how many hoops it should take to get it. In the old days you had to have an actual piece of the creature you were going to copy. </blockquote><p>Sounds like Unchained territory to me.LazarX wrote:Mark Seifter wrote: Rynjin wrote:No, these FAQs are pretty clearly to plug up some SUV sized holes in the rules that should have been plugged LOOONG ago.
Next up: Simulacrum?
In my opinion, simulacrum deserves an entire blog post filled with tips and clarifications, like when Jason did that super-helpful poison blog. Each of the entire simulacrum family of spells, (there's more than one) needs to be looked at from top to bottom. Part of that examination should be the spell's...Uwotm82015-01-20T20:10:00ZRe: Forums: Advice: I need to ban some spellsUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwb2?I-need-to-ban-some-spells#362015-01-20T17:23:04Z2015-01-20T17:23:04Z<p>The tricky thing is that powerful options don't come in just spells, especially for casting classes. You'd really have to vet all the class abilities as well.</p>The tricky thing is that powerful options don't come in just spells, especially for casting classes. You'd really have to vet all the class abilities as well.Uwotm82015-01-20T17:23:04ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Martial versus WizardUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rw6v?Mythic-Martial-versus-Wizard#472016-06-13T03:29:07Z2015-01-20T16:29:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Marroar Gellantara wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Are those spells really a wizard class feature?</p>
<p>Both sorcerers and arcanist can take them. Some even argue that the shaman can have them. </blockquote><p>Their lists are class features. Individual selections are restricted all the time even by RAW.Marroar Gellantara wrote:Are those spells really a wizard class feature?
Both sorcerers and arcanist can take them. Some even argue that the shaman can have them.
Their lists are class features. Individual selections are restricted all the time even by RAW.Uwotm82015-01-20T16:29:55ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Martial versus WizardUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rw6v?Mythic-Martial-versus-Wizard#462015-01-20T16:27:31Z2015-01-20T16:27:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cuuniyevo wrote:</div><blockquote> I was under the impression that this thread was to track the actual duel. I think the combatants and gm should be the only ones to post here until after the duel takes place. Discussing specific tactics and rules should remain in the other thread, to keep at least the semblance of order. </blockquote><p>The actual duel is taking place on roll20.Cuuniyevo wrote:I was under the impression that this thread was to track the actual duel. I think the combatants and gm should be the only ones to post here until after the duel takes place. Discussing specific tactics and rules should remain in the other thread, to keep at least the semblance of order.
The actual duel is taking place on roll20.Uwotm82015-01-20T16:27:31ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Martial versus WizardUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rw6v?Mythic-Martial-versus-Wizard#442015-01-20T17:26:25Z2015-01-20T16:23:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Trogdar wrote:</div><blockquote>Sure, but if leadership is a valid option, then there is no reason for the wizard not to take it as it is obviously the best in slot feat. All of the wizards other minions will come directly from class features, which prevents them from muddying the waters. </blockquote><p>But best in slot spells are fine, yeah?Trogdar wrote:Sure, but if leadership is a valid option, then there is no reason for the wizard not to take it as it is obviously the best in slot feat. All of the wizards other minions will come directly from class features, which prevents them from muddying the waters.
But best in slot spells are fine, yeah?Uwotm82015-01-20T16:23:13ZRe: Forums: Advice: I need to ban some spellsUwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rwb2?I-need-to-ban-some-spells#312015-01-22T02:58:18Z2015-01-20T15:28:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shasfowd wrote:</div><blockquote><p> But the point of this is to let players be whatever they want, but I don't want it to take the excitment out of the gamee. What spells follow the following rules:
</p>
Not a mind-affecting or a death effect
<br />
Will immediatley pasify the target </blockquote><p>Your goal is not compatible with your restrictions.Shasfowd wrote:But the point of this is to let players be whatever they want, but I don't want it to take the excitment out of the gamee. What spells follow the following rules:
Not a mind-affecting or a death effect
Will immediatley pasify the target
Your goal is not compatible with your restrictions.Uwotm82015-01-20T15:28:29ZRe: Forums: Homebrew and House Rules: Angelic invasion of an Evil nation.Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvsp&page=2?Angelic-invasion-of-an-Evil-nation#702015-01-21T01:28:02Z2015-01-20T12:52:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Pnakotus Detsujin wrote:</div><blockquote> Also, was not the point to have "celestial good beings" as enemies to good or neutral player characters. if you want to smite angels, go play Way of the Wicked </blockquote><p>It's rather rude to tell people what games to play if they want this or that as if current APs can't be modified or doing so is somehow wrong. Sod off, mate...Pnakotus Detsujin wrote:Also, was not the point to have "celestial good beings" as enemies to good or neutral player characters. if you want to smite angels, go play Way of the Wicked
It's rather rude to tell people what games to play if they want this or that as if current APs can't be modified or doing so is somehow wrong. Sod off, mate...Uwotm82015-01-20T12:52:05ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=23?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#11172015-01-19T04:53:12Z2015-01-19T04:53:12Z<p>The thing is, if either a wizard or sorcerer can do it, then it's more likely any full caster can do it. It's not wizards are powerful. It's casters are powerful. That's the theme. Nothing to see here!</p>The thing is, if either a wizard or sorcerer can do it, then it's more likely any full caster can do it. It's not wizards are powerful. It's casters are powerful. That's the theme. Nothing to see here!Uwotm82015-01-19T04:53:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=22?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10892015-01-19T03:20:17Z2015-01-19T03:20:17Z<p>ROFL @ zoidbergs out</p>ROFL @ zoidbergs outUwotm82015-01-19T03:20:17ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=22?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10852015-01-19T03:15:50Z2015-01-19T03:15:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>Your call. As I said, I'm already making a concession even using a build, since I don't think they prove much in the first place. </blockquote><p>Any character with a sheet is a build. Builds aren't bad at all. To play a character, you need •a• build.Anzyr wrote:Your call. As I said, I'm already making a concession even using a build, since I don't think they prove much in the first place.
Any character with a sheet is a build. Builds aren't bad at all. To play a character, you need *a* build.Uwotm82015-01-19T03:15:50ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=22?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10802015-01-19T03:09:08Z2015-01-19T03:09:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>I hope you realize that I offered to use a Wizard before the rules changed. The GM could have easily told you whether it was legal or not without posting it publicly. I have said all along that I would not be posting the Wizard build publicly, so this change causing me to use a different character should come as no surprise. And despite that I'm still willing to submit a build, just not the one I would have otherwise. </blockquote><p>You realize such a hotly contested claim being anything other than public inherently invalidates the test, right? Even if you're 100% correct, there can be zero confidence in it.Anzyr wrote:I hope you realize that I offered to use a Wizard before the rules changed. The GM could have easily told you whether it was legal or not without posting it publicly. I have said all along that I would not be posting the Wizard build publicly, so this change causing me to use a different character should come as no surprise. And despite that I'm still willing to submit a build, just not the one I would have otherwise.
You realize such a hotly contested claim being anything other...Uwotm82015-01-19T03:09:08ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=22?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10772015-01-19T03:04:00Z2015-01-19T03:04:00Z<p>Pathfinder Tactics by Anzyr (TM)</p>
<p>Publish it</p>Pathfinder Tactics by Anzyr (TM)
Publish itUwotm82015-01-19T03:04:00ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=22?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10752015-01-19T03:00:19Z2015-01-19T03:00:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>Nah, it'd work (unless the enemy has a lot of very specific defenses). But it could be prepared against in the future. The Sorcerer... not so much. </blockquote><p>That fails a smell test. I hope you realize that.Anzyr wrote:Nah, it'd work (unless the enemy has a lot of very specific defenses). But it could be prepared against in the future. The Sorcerer... not so much.
That fails a smell test. I hope you realize that.Uwotm82015-01-19T03:00:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=22?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10712015-01-19T02:54:56Z2015-01-19T02:54:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>Mostly because the tactics it uses while very effective can be countered. The Sorcerer meanwhile trades cleverness for raw power which makes knowing it's tactics hard to counter. </blockquote><p>Is it that it can be countered, or is it more "this seems right for 20 minutes but is actually wrong" kind of things? That's super shady. "Oh noz, it has a defense." Really?Anzyr wrote:Mostly because the tactics it uses while very effective can be countered. The Sorcerer meanwhile trades cleverness for raw power which makes knowing it's tactics hard to counter.
Is it that it can be countered, or is it more "this seems right for 20 minutes but is actually wrong" kind of things? That's super shady. "Oh noz, it has a defense." Really?Uwotm82015-01-19T02:54:56ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=22?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10662015-01-19T02:51:20Z2015-01-19T02:51:20Z<p>They'll know his secretzzzzz.</p>They'll know his secretzzzzz.Uwotm82015-01-19T02:51:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10442015-01-19T01:48:21Z2015-01-19T01:48:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote>Posting prior gives too much information to the opponent. Posting afterwards is a reasonable compromise. </blockquote><p>It gives no information if released mere minutes before or coinciding with the start.andreww wrote:Posting prior gives too much information to the opponent. Posting afterwards is a reasonable compromise.
It gives no information if released mere minutes before or coinciding with the start.Uwotm82015-01-19T01:48:21ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10412015-01-19T01:43:43Z2015-01-19T01:43:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Marroar Gellantara wrote:</div><blockquote>2. Why would a player not put out their build after the duel? Trade secrets? PF/D&D isn't a professional competitive sport, you have no reason for this unless you don't want people to call you out on flagrant cheating. </blockquote><p>By the way Anzyr talks, they've got some bona fide Coca-Cola formula trade secret insta-win.Marroar Gellantara wrote:2. Why would a player not put out their build after the duel? Trade secrets? PF/D&D isn't a professional competitive sport, you have no reason for this unless you don't want people to call you out on flagrant cheating.
By the way Anzyr talks, they've got some bona fide Coca-Cola formula trade secret insta-win.Uwotm82015-01-19T01:43:43ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10372015-01-19T01:39:20Z2015-01-19T01:39:20Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote>Once I have some contestants I will set up a table. Roll20 creates a log of all chat entries and dice rolls which I am happy to make public. I will also make public any questions asked or rules queries about builds asked in private afterwards. My preference would be for any entrant to disclose their build but that is really up to them. Spectators are fine as well provide they don't disrupt things. </blockquote><p>If you don't enforce it, it loses almost all credibility. In fact, participants should have to share with everyone else as well as the GM.andreww wrote:Once I have some contestants I will set up a table. Roll20 creates a log of all chat entries and dice rolls which I am happy to make public. I will also make public any questions asked or rules queries about builds asked in private afterwards. My preference would be for any entrant to disclose their build but that is really up to them. Spectators are fine as well provide they don't disrupt things.
If you don't enforce it, it loses almost all credibility. In fact, participants...Uwotm82015-01-19T01:39:20ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10302015-01-19T01:32:37Z2015-01-19T01:32:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>I won't be. </blockquote><p>Whoever GMs should post both builds. Would you withdraw if that were a condition?Anzyr wrote:I won't be.
Whoever GMs should post both builds. Would you withdraw if that were a condition?Uwotm82015-01-19T01:32:37ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10292015-01-19T01:31:51Z2015-01-19T01:31:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">BigDTBone wrote:</div><blockquote>I think the benefit of using roll20 is that spectators can be present and I would fully intend to post my character after. I would actually expect Andreww to require build posting after the contest as part of the game rules. </blockquote><p>As great as that would be, if it could be trusted, after the fact promises are cheap.BigDTBone wrote:I think the benefit of using roll20 is that spectators can be present and I would fully intend to post my character after. I would actually expect Andreww to require build posting after the contest as part of the game rules.
As great as that would be, if it could be trusted, after the fact promises are cheap.Uwotm82015-01-19T01:31:51ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10242015-01-19T01:25:54Z2015-01-19T01:25:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Bandw2 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> just remember, for any true comparative results we would need to compare two perfect player's fighting to see who comes out on top most often. such that, like chess the first player has an advantage that can push perfect play into someones victory.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure that would be a wizard, as they simply have more tools available to them. </blockquote><p>I'm wholly expecting this to be incredibly hush hush. There will be no independent review. None of the builds will be released. A victor will simply be named which will only result in a lot more chest thumping.Bandw2 wrote:just remember, for any true comparative results we would need to compare two perfect player's fighting to see who comes out on top most often. such that, like chess the first player has an advantage that can push perfect play into someones victory.
I'm pretty sure that would be a wizard, as they simply have more tools available to them.
I'm wholly expecting this to be incredibly hush hush. There will be no independent review. None of the builds will be released. A victor will...Uwotm82015-01-19T01:25:54ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10212015-01-19T01:23:13Z2015-01-19T01:23:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Trimalchio wrote:</div><blockquote> running a 1 week game prep time will require way too much adjudication in my opinion and doesn't prevent simulacrum abuse once the wizard begins living inside a maximized timestop all the live long day on some obscure demiplane that is timeless.</blockquote><p>Oh, no. This is andreww's show now. All other opinions need not apply.Trimalchio wrote:running a 1 week game prep time will require way too much adjudication in my opinion and doesn't prevent simulacrum abuse once the wizard begins living inside a maximized timestop all the live long day on some obscure demiplane that is timeless.
Oh, no. This is andreww's show now. All other opinions need not apply.Uwotm82015-01-19T01:23:13ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10162015-01-19T05:26:27Z2015-01-19T01:16:27Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>I have been right quite a lot in this thread, so that shouldn't be that surprising... </blockquote><p>Post a build.Anzyr wrote:I have been right quite a lot in this thread, so that shouldn't be that surprising...
Post a build.Uwotm82015-01-19T01:16:27ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10132015-01-19T01:13:26Z2015-01-19T01:13:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Blakmane wrote:</div><blockquote>At this point the debate is becoming childish. Obviously you aren't going to get an interpretation that suits you for every rule, but andreww is about as good as you are going to get for impartiality. You are going to suffer from much bigger problems if 20 vs 15 PB already sets you off. Go ahead and concede already if all you are going to do is filibuster: it is becoming clear both sides of the debate are just as obnoxious as each other. </blockquote><p>Oh, b+•%&#$@. andreww has already agreed with Anzyr across several posts. He wins by default. The mere premise biases the outcome.Blakmane wrote:At this point the debate is becoming childish. Obviously you aren't going to get an interpretation that suits you for every rule, but andreww is about as good as you are going to get for impartiality. You are going to suffer from much bigger problems if 20 vs 15 PB already sets you off. Go ahead and concede already if all you are going to do is filibuster: it is becoming clear both sides of the debate are just as obnoxious as each other.
Oh, b@$~+%@&. andreww has already...Uwotm82015-01-19T01:13:26ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10082015-01-19T01:10:16Z2015-01-19T01:10:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>And first contender spot get! </blockquote><p><i>gasp</i> Didn't see that coming!Anzyr wrote:And first contender spot get!
gasp Didn't see that coming!Uwotm82015-01-19T01:10:16ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10052015-01-19T01:08:22Z2015-01-19T01:08:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote>20pb is part of the rules. As I said feel free to not take part if you don't like it.</blockquote><p>So is double WBL for epic pt buysandreww wrote:20pb is part of the rules. As I said feel free to not take part if you don't like it.
So is double WBL for epic pt buysUwotm82015-01-19T01:08:22ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=21?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10032015-01-19T01:06:32Z2015-01-19T01:06:32Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Those are the rules I am setting. Feel free not to participate if you prefer. Gives martial characters tend to be more MAD it actually favours the fighter. </p>
<p>For those interested in submitting a character please post questions <a href=" http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rw6v?Mythic-Martial-versus-Wizard#1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a> </blockquote><p>You want to GM this yet you ignore the rules. Have fun with that.andreww wrote:Those are the rules I am setting. Feel free not to participate if you prefer. Gives martial characters tend to be more MAD it actually favours the fighter.
For those interested in submitting a character please post questions here
You want to GM this yet you ignore the rules. Have fun with that.Uwotm82015-01-19T01:06:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=20?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#10002015-01-19T01:01:12Z2015-01-19T01:01:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">andreww wrote:</div><blockquote>20pb is PFS standard and seems the most common around here which is why I went with it. </blockquote><p>It doesn't change the assumption in their APs. PFS is a customized campaign.
<p>Also, RAW - 20 pt buys and up are double WBL.</p>andreww wrote:20pb is PFS standard and seems the most common around here which is why I went with it.
It doesn't change the assumption in their APs. PFS is a customized campaign. Also, RAW - 20 pt buys and up are double WBL.Uwotm82015-01-19T01:01:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=20?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#9932015-01-19T00:57:32Z2015-01-19T00:57:32Z<p>andreww, 15 point buy is Paizo standard.</p>andreww, 15 point buy is Paizo standard.Uwotm82015-01-19T00:57:32ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=20?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#9812015-01-19T05:23:01Z2015-01-19T00:46:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>Ugh, please actually read my tactics. I won't be near the Explosive Runes when the Time Stop ends. </blockquote><p>AMF is still centered on you and moves with you. It doesn't matter where you are. You still can't cast out of it.
<p>Also:</p>
<p>Post a build.</p>
<p>-Uwotm8</p>Anzyr wrote:Ugh, please actually read my tactics. I won't be near the Explosive Runes when the Time Stop ends.
AMF is still centered on you and moves with you. It doesn't matter where you are. You still can't cast out of it. Also:
Post a build.
-Uwotm8Uwotm82015-01-19T00:46:12ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=20?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#9762015-01-19T05:22:48Z2015-01-19T00:43:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>That is correct since Blessed Book will obviate the writing cost.</blockquote><p>Post a build.
<p>-Uwotm8</p>Anzyr wrote:That is correct since Blessed Book will obviate the writing cost.
Post a build. -Uwotm8Uwotm82015-01-19T00:43:19ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=20?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#9722015-01-19T00:40:57Z2015-01-19T00:40:57Z<p>He still has to pay the scroll cost to acquire them on top of that. Just the writing cost is free with a blessed book.</p>He still has to pay the scroll cost to acquire them on top of that. Just the writing cost is free with a blessed book.Uwotm82015-01-19T00:40:57ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Mythic Fighter vs Wizard!Uwotm8https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rvum&page=20?Mythic-Fighter-vs-Wizard#9702015-01-19T05:22:38Z2015-01-19T00:37:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Anzyr wrote:</div><blockquote>Nah I'd hit the arena with continuous Greater Dispel Magics (at CL 30) until the Fighter was not invisible. At which point the Fighter will be perfectly detectable. </blockquote><p>Post a build.
<p>-Uwotm8</p>Anzyr wrote:Nah I'd hit the arena with continuous Greater Dispel Magics (at CL 30) until the Fighter was not invisible. At which point the Fighter will be perfectly detectable.
Post a build. -Uwotm8Uwotm82015-01-19T00:37:43Z