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I would say that if you are going to play the playtest keep the ancestries the same, and see what they do down the road. If they wind up still not being to your guy's liking when the full thing comes out then house rule away.

I say this only because the play test is meant to test what's been put out if you start house ruling it the feedback you can give about it isn't as useful.


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In addition to what other people have said Vic Wertz has come out and said that they will be getting an accessibility version of the play test pdf out.


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I still haven't even been able to get to the surveys keeps taking me back to the main play test page.


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MuddyVolcano wrote:

Is there a good way to transform the PDF to lighter text on a dark background, to reduce eye strain? Has anyone found a method?

I'm partially blind, and work on computers during the week (not a smart decision, I know, but I can set adaptions on my work computer, if it makes sense). The playtest PDF has wonderful language, but it's hard to read more than a few pages at a time without pain.

Enabling Accessibility in my PDF Editor/Viewer gives me this.

I would convert it to a Word Doc and adjust it then, but my computer goes boom, given the size of the document.

Any advice?

I may resort to slicing it into smaller files, and re-rendering it then, but if someone's found a method, I'd rather try that, first. Converting to DOC can rearrange text, unintentionally.

Just to let you know they are working on an accessibility version of the pdf. I think Vic said it should be up in a couple days and I saw that post yesterday. So I would say by Monday or Tuesday they should have one out that hopefully works better for you.


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I have a hard time feeling bad for some of the complaints about the new eidolons mostly because the specifics are what people are complaining about.

"I can't do this the exact same way/the way I want to anymore so it's bad."

Pathfinder/Dnd has never been a game where you could make everything, some concepts just don't work with the base rules, it happens. Re flavoring Fluff can help.

I like the changes I actually might build a summoner now, I can actually look at these and go hey now I get a pet and the ability to make it better as I level instead of getting this shapeless blob and trying to come up with something that isn't the same pounce machine as every other eidolon you hear about.


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Because I have a gnome in the party I can throw.


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Seriously guys, let it go this tastes like trolling.


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Dreaming Psion wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
You aren't "fixing" the Fighter by adding super long feat chains, are you?
Nah. But wouldn't it be cool to get more out of taking those existing super long chains if you're willing to shell out the feats for them? Because I think so!

For me, maybe in theory, but no, not so much in practice, as the more feats there are, the more opportunities there are for the feats to not fit together well, get misinterpreted, to get passed over in comparing relative strength and weakness in comparison to other feats, or to just be duds.

In addition, having long feat chains can make establishing changes in one feat in the chain require considerable more complexity by way of how it interacts with other feats in the chain. The crane style feats are one example of what I speak of.

Not to mention how long it can take to get to some of those feats. If you're not going to be able to realistically complete the chain by twelfth level it's to long.


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Tacticslion wrote:
Tribalgeek wrote:
We have all run into that player who wants to build a half drow half dragon with a mangled back story just so they can be different.
Nononononono. Mine was half-drow, half-frost giant. Sheesh, man. Can't a special snowflake get even a little respect?

As much as I love R.A Salvator, I really wonder if he should be blamed for drow being the race of special snowflakes or if it was just a natural part of the race and the settings.


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Petty Alchemy wrote:

Threads that bring up a dead horse idea that often has people up in arms about it (martials suck, rogues suck, paladins fall, etc) and don't add anything new to the discussion, instead just asking for opinions, or for people to prove it.

We've got so many of these topics, you can just find them and read the chaos. If you've got something to add, okay. But just dropping a bomb and sitting back to watch the fireworks. :/

Ahh yes the monthly or weekly rehash of the same topics over and over. We all know everyone's thoughts on the subject they can be left alone unless something changes.


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137ben wrote:


Oh, that reminds me of another one:
"Special Snowflake" accusations. Whoever started that meme should be banned. Or not. Really, just that phrase should be banned.

Special Snowflake existed before these boards and will exist after them. It is generally used to refer to someone who has to try and invent a reason that their special so that they can be special.

Now I will say that it is used incorrectly rather often, but there is a reason it exist within the rpg messageboard lexicon. We have all run into that player who wants to build a half drow half dragon with a mangled back story just so they can be different.

Now while there is nothing wrong with that combination doing it just to be different really isn't going to be seen as a valid reason for doing so. They are trying to build a character that stands out from the rest so that they can feel special in a game where we are all trying to succeed together.

You'll also see it come up when someone asks about playing some weird class or race, and how to convince their gm to let them, or is it a valid choice. People will give them another more basic option that with a little re-flavoring would work. They get told that the person doesn't want to do it, and that's when the special snowflake posts will start.


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1. Get a copy of his sheet and print it out. If he forgets to use it it's his own problem. Write down the attacks with the modifiers from the feats, already added in as separate attacks to help him out, and then ban the use of tablets by players at the table.

2. Just make it a simple rule that if you are going to use something from the prd to print it out, whether you type all your prd stuff up on one new page or print the specific prd page out that way it is on hand and easily referenced.