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How do you understand the following wording of a Vigilante Racial Paragon talent description: The vigilante can take a move action to gain the benefit of a feat with a racial prerequisite he meets but doesn’t have .

I'm missing something here, maybe, but still: does 'but doesn't have' refer to 'a racial prerequisite' (that's how the line is built; yet, what does it mean – a racial prerequisite one meets but doesn't have) or rather to 'a feat' (that would make more sense, yet it is not exactly what is written)? This nuance seems to be essential for understanding the talent's very idea – most importantly, does a vigilante choose from the feats with his/her race as a prerequisite or rather with some other race.

To put it into context, below is complete wording of a new talent introduced in Blood of the Beast:

Racial Paragon Talent Description:
Racial Paragon
The vigilante can take a move action to gain the benefit of a feat with a racial prerequisite he meets but doesn’t have. This effect lasts for 1 minute. The vigilante must meet all the feat’s prerequisites. He can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + 1/2 his vigilante level (minimum four times per day). The vigilante can use this ability again before the duration expires to replace a previous racial feat with another choice. If a feat temporarily gained in this way has a daily use limitation, any uses of that feat while using this ability count toward that feat’s daily limit. This vigilante talent can be selected multiple times. Each time it is selected after the first, the vigilante can use this ability to gain the benefits of one additional racial feat at the same time, or to reduce the action required to activate this talent by one step (a move action becomes a swift action, a swift action becomes a free action, and a free action becomes an immediate action). If the vigilante chooses to gain the benefits of multiple feats, the feats selected must share the same racial prerequisite. He can use one of these feats to meet a prerequisite of a second feat; doing so means he cannot replace a feat currently fulfilling another’s prerequisite without also replacing those feats that require it. Each individual feat selected counts toward his daily uses of this ability.

This subject was touched upon briefly at the Blood of the Beast thread back in November, yet, comments would be appreciated.

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Continuing the Vigilante Class Talents subject, there are two vigilante talents that seem to be a good combination, unless there is some obvious rule I'm missing out and all this sounds silly:

'Up Close and Personal (Ex): When the vigilante attempts an Acrobatics check to move through an opponent's space during a move action, he can attempt a single melee attack against that opponent as a swift action. If the Acrobatics check succeeds, this attack applies the vigilante's hidden strike damage as if the foe were unaware of the vigilante. Otherwise, the vigilante applies the hidden strike damage he would deal if the target were denied its Dexterity bonus to AC. Only a stalker vigilante of at least 4th level can select this talent.'

and

'Close the Gap (Ex): Each round, at the start of his turn, the vigilante can designate one foe within 20 feet that isn't adjacent to him. When he moves, he doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity from that foe as long as he ends his move adjacent to that foe. If he charges that foe, he does not take the –2 penalty to his AC on any attacks made by the designated foe.'

Would it be fair to say that the success of the attack made by using Up Close and Personal depends on a succesful Acrobatics check that is done to avoid an attack of opportunity (as per Tumbling and Acrobatics descriptions in the PRD)?

If so, would preventing an attack of opportunity from a foe by using Close the Gap mean that a Vigilante doesn't make the Acrobatics check as it is success by default and, thus, the Vigilante's Up Close and Personal attack is a success too?

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Social Grace is listed among Vigilante Class Social Talents.
The wording reads:
"Social Grace: The vigilante selects any one Intelligence-, Wisdom-, or Charisma-based skill other than Perception or Use Magic Device. Whenever the vigilante is in his social identity, he receives a +4 circumstance bonus on checks with the selected skill. At 5th level and every 4 levels thereafter, he can select another skill (with the same restrictions) to gain this bonus."

Would you consider it illegal to take Social Grace for a same skill more than once (as separate Social Talents, of course; not as a secondary upgrade at the 5th, 9th etc. level as stated in the rules)?

Or, alternatively, would it be possible to take two Social Grace talents for two different skills at two different level (let's say, SG talent 1 for Skill A at the 1st level, and SG 2 for Skill B at the 3rd level), and yet, once it is due to upgrade (upon reaching the 5th level), to cross-apply the facility to the skills already boosted (talent 1 upgrade goes to Skill B, talent 2 upgrade goes to Skill A)?

I have to admit that for the PFS mechanics Social Grace seems to be the only truly applicable Social talent for a vigilante.