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Thanks to everyone who has posted thus far. I looked into some of the other games you guys/gals mentioned and they seemed interesting. What I am looking for though is a game that is complicated and has a good community of players. Pathfinder and D&D seemed like they met that criteria especially since I found some groups around me. As for horror RPG's that defiantly sounds fun and will look into those in the future if I enjoy Pathfinder/D&D. Since 5E is most likely nowhere near its release we are going for Pathfinder since it has the closest game group near us and seems like it would be more fun. My friends and I do not know much about how Pathfinder/D&D work though but we are looking forward to getting involved and figuring things out. Thanks so far for your help everyone!


Samurai wrote:

I've got quite a lot of experience GMing D&D4e for their Encounters promotional program, and we've been playing Pathfinder in our weekly home game since the beta first came out, so I can probably answer any direct comparisons questions.

depth: I think Pathfinder wins this one, it has a fantastic setting, tons of adventures and sourcebooks, etc. 4e had some printed adventures, though they are widely regarded as inferior in storylines to PF, and tended to be combat after combat.

customization: This is fairly even between the 2 games, though in slightly different ways. 4e has tons and tons of powers, the vast, vast majority of which are only useful in combat. Every class gets them, even martial classes like Fighters. Some can be used at will, some once per encounter, and some once per day. Many are very similar to each other (X amount of damage + some extra effect, like knock the target back 10', or they are dazed for 1 round, etc). Still, this gives a lot of choices in combat and a lot of customization for combat. Pathfinder has spells and character abilities instead. For spellcasters, this provides a lot more options at mid-higher than the 4e powers, and many of the powers are usable outside of combat. (4e did have rituals in the 1st PHB that allowed some out of combat magic, but it was dropped from 4e Essentials). Multiclassing is much easier in PF, allowing you to mix and match classes as you level to create the character you want. The Combat Maneuver system in PF also allows a lot of different choices in combat, like grappling, tripping, etc.

replay-ability: Because 4e is so combat focused, I don't feel it's quite as replayable as PF, but that's because I prefer plenty of non-combat play. Also, while 4e powers gives the players a handful of choices, they tend to use those over and over (especially the at will and encounter powers) and not look for other options (YMMV)

decent lore: PF has a fantastic setting and sourcebooks for it, as I said before, but...

Thanks for all the info! I am defiantly leaning towards pathfinder now. The only problem is if my friends will choose it over an older version of D&D seeing as the new 4e isn't quite what we are looking for. Other than that I will just have to talk them into Pathfinder being in a better spot for the time being :) thanks!


Nefreet wrote:
This forum might be the better place to ask your question.

Ok thanks I will post it there instead.


Hello, my name is Thomas and I have recently gotten my friends and I into tabletop/pen and paper RPG'S (we are PC gamers so we play a lot of MMO'S/FPS and things like that.) I have bought D&D 4E Starter Kit and Pathfinder Beginner Box. We are leaning towards Pathfinder as of currently and with D&D 5E coming out soon (if I recall correctly) we don't know which of these games to invest our time/money in. We want a game that has depth, customization, replay-ability, decent lore, and one where we wouldn't have wasted our money in with a new edition coming out and the old edition can't be backwards compatible, etc. If anyone could give a pro/con list and there opinions on each game (Pathfinder, 4E, 5E)it would be much appreciated thanks!


Hello, my name is Thomas and I have recently gotten my friends and I into tabletop/pen and paper RPG'S (we are PC gamers so we play a lot of MMO'S/FPS and things like that.) I have bought D&D 4E Starter Kit and Pathfinder Beginner Box. We are leaning towards Pathfinder as of currently and with D&D 5E coming out soon (if I recall correctly) we don't know which of these games to invest our time/money in. We want a game that has depth, customization, replay-ability, decent lore, and one where we wouldn't have wasted our money in with a new edition coming out and the old edition can't be backwards compatible, etc. If anyone could give a pro/con list and there opinions on each game (Pathfinder, 4E, 5E)it would be much appreciated thanks!