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1) Alchemy doesn't have a daily limit. It has a "at one time" limit and a crafting limit. You can spend all day crafting alchemy if you want or need to to heal your team with something like Salve. At level 1 if you have 2 Alchemy talents, you can have 3 active talents at one, each taking 30 minutes to craft. If you spend 1.5hrs crafting, uses your formulae, you spend another 1.5hrs crafting again.

2) They don't do anything RAW. You treat your strength higher, but you aren't using strength.

3) Natural Armor isn't a Special Ability of Familiars. You basically get to keep everything except the Natural Armor. Which makes the Sage archetype super strong.

4) No. Improved Familiar is something very different from an Animal Companion. It is best if you look up a guide about Improved Familiar. You can however combine it with Large Animal Training in order to have a super useful pet with great combat power.

Martial Study is a really great knack. Pick a sphere and use it on all your attacks. You are now full BAB technically, but only when using that sphere. Barrage or Sniper for ranged, Berserker or Duel Wielding for melee.

Any sphere that is based on skill ranks, like Scout, Warleader, and Tech; all do well with the Scholar. You have a ton of skill ranks and not good BAB. If you take Martial Study Knack, you are good at only one sphere in combat.

Scholar pet build is one of the best pet builds since you have a super smart animal companion with possible illegal combinations due to being able to grab Improved Familiar to grab reach, something that isn't usable for the animal companion version of the feat, Improved Animal Companion.

Depends on build. Improved Familiar/Animal Companion are great for pets. Extra Martial Talent is always great. Extra Scholar Knack is super useful.

Like Goblin_Priest said, contracts are their thing. They would twist a contract to honor the exact lettering of the contract, not the spirit of the paper.

The devil would 100% find a way to fulfill his end of the contract, screw the the other side of the contract, and then say "so long suckers".

To add to the choir, I have a group ice been meeting with for a little over a year. They are still at the point where I can estimate any one of their character's base attack bonus, recall their ability scores, items, special abilities and feats from memory and apply any situational modifiers and tell them their result faster than they can find their bonus on their character sheet.

I mean, I still have to say "yes, that's the d20" a couple times a session

Is it frustrating? It can be, a little, yeah. Is it draining? Undoubtedly.
But they're trying, and I have strict time restrictions to work within. So it is what it is.

I gave up on one of my players (as a player) when after two months, he was still asking about the d20. I eventually started setting up his dice for him, shove all other dice to the side, put the d20 on his paper, and he would still reach for the dice pile. I'm all for trying to help players, but when you are a barbarian and only have two numbers on your character sheet (melee attack vs with rage), and still can't find the numbers you need after multiple sessions, I'm not helping.

I guess I'm just salty because I've had 3 players join us, one left due to moving, and two left due to changing schedules. Only one of them has started to understand the game enough to know what dice to roll and know what they can do during downtime or with skill checks. Luckily they are changing jobs an will be joining us again.

Words are standard actions unless something else says otherwise. Hallow is a standard action. Close is a standard action. Classify is a standard action.

Bless, Curse, and others say they are other actions, so they are that action. In SoP and Pathfinder in general, specific rulings trump general rulings.

Generally, the Fate Sphere, most words, and most talents across SoP are standard actions. Specifically, Bless/Curse are immediate actions.

You can break it by getting +7 AC "medium" armor that you run around in at full speed that a level 1 PC can technically afford. (Chain torso, studded leather legs, lamellar arms), eatting a -6 ACP for it.

You can also get +4 light armor for 40g (less than half of that of chain armor) with the main difference being 1 lower max dex.

Pathfinder 2e is tight on math, not wanting to give out many bonuses due to the +10 being an auto critical.

I looked through a few spells, and the all seem to be conditional modifiers, which means they won't stack. In fact, certain annoying things like Enlarge and Barbarian's rage don't stack anymore since they both give conditional modifiers to damage.

I'd like to give a few scenarios that I enjoyed running and my players said made monsters feel more realistic. Players that deal more damage do get the bigger threat level, and criticals will suddenly change that, but everything reacts differently.

-Goblins are dumb and stupid, not mindless but might as well be close. They waste their turn on non optimal things. They'll spend a move action laughing at their buddy that got caught in a grease trap with feathers instead of doing a full attack. They will respond to power and will attempt to fight the biggest longshank just to prove a point (the Dwarf in armor and gnome sorcerer got ignored)

-Basic animals fought on instinct. They didn't waste turns like the goblins but generally attack those (within reach) who attacked them last. They try and use pack tactics and know how to focus on a single target when needed, but are prone to distraction with Thunderstones and blinding light spells. Animals also know when to retreat and often players have a hard time kill an entire pack, but they aren't really meant to.

-Elementals have almost normal intelligence, they know battle tactics, opposing elements, and how to use their element. A water elemental generally wont chase the party outside of a flooded room into a dry room, but may spend that time try to flood other rooms to chase. They know how to hide from the party. Elementals also know who the magic users are(at least after the first turn) and how to get them.

-Robots were programmed by someone smart to do something. They don't have any problems doing something seemingly mindless because they don't have life. Endlessly chasing the caster despite being destroyed by the martials might be what it is programmed to do. They also might be programmed to tract threats and switch as needed.Robots or constructs would be able to do whatever you want, but you should write it down so you don't forget.

I believe Purple Duck Games is making Pathfinder 1.5 or D&D 3.8 (if Pathfinder was D&D 3.75).

Dropdeadstudios is still working on expanding Spheres and isn't looking to jump ship yet.

Well, since this was Necro'd from over 8 years ago, I can post this.

Its technically a D&D Bard "guide", but the time stamp makes a good point about what bards can do. I've wanted to play a Bard that picks up martial profiency somewhere and uses Preform (act) or Preform (dance) to create drawings in the dirt with a spear or other back end of a reach weapon.

You can't gain a class feature twice, much like you can't gain (most) feats twice.

The wizard familiar is an arcane bond class feature, as is the Eldritch heritage. I can't find anything about familiars RAW, but no animal should be allowed to exceed your hit dice, minus one occasion with the Oracle

Most fighter archetypes now. Advance weapon and armor training is so good, and most archetypes give this up for bonuses that now aren't worth it.

I feel like this is a heavy trap, since as mentioned, Brute won't likely be taken at all, but fighter and these archetypes are.

Sneak attack applies anytime you are capable, meaning attacks of opportunity count as well if the conditions are met.

A cleric or bard. Just sit back and buff your teammates. No dice needed except for the occasional heal.

Scaled Disciple

So, I was thinking about creating a "redeeming" Kobold taking a divine class to help those he can. Traveling around and attempting to help undo the destruction that his kind (real dragons) might have done. I was hoping through buff spells to become decent at combat.

I was planning on using a manufactured weapon and multiattack with Kobold's bite/tail and DD's claws, taking at least Tail Terror and Kobold Confiedence. I'm not sure about Dragonic Paragon as the Breathe Weapon seems really bad still, doesn't do anything for the Dragonic Aspect/Energy Resistance, and only gives a 20ft fly speed compared to the 60ft just a few levels later. Unsure of where to go from there.

The obvious starting place seems Cleric, since Scaled Disciple's first sentence deals with domains, but it mainly deals with adding Dragonic Bloodline spells to spells you can caster. However Oracle can have some great uses with the Curse half scaling with other classes and the Life Mystery being extremely powerful after leaving Oracle. There is also the Shaman which I have no idea how useful that would be, or the animal companion classes, Druid/Ranger/Hunter, which seem like they would end up gimped as they have more stuff that scales with class level.

It seems like a bad printing. There is nothing in the text in revelations above stating you must take those. That should just be the level requirement to take them.

You don't make a will save versus healing or buffs, you don't ally doesn't make an attack roll against you with aid another.

You can automatically fail a saving throw, even from an enemy. This is no reason why you can't choose to fail against an attack.

If there isn't an action listed, it is assumed to be a standard action.

She is hold the weapon in one hand. The grip on the weapon is big enough for both hands.

Only the URogue can do 1.5x Dex damage if two handing a weapon. Any other Paizo way is going to be 1x Dex, or 0.5x Dex if off hand.

If you are using the Bladed Brush feat, it won't work with Agile. Agile needs a weapon that by default can use Weapon Finesse, not one that later is becomes Weapon Finesse-able.

Kerx wrote:

This is the playtest forum my dude. Got me hungering for a monk feat to be added that does something like this.

sry about that. first time posting. is there some way to move my post somewhere else ?

You can flag your post and for reason put "Wrong Forum". Mods will move it automatically to the correct forum.

I'm starting a druid tomorrow with an animal companion bear, and after being a fan of AC from PF1, I'm scared at what will happen now. My Druid's AC is at 15 with cheap light armor and the bear is sitting at 12.

The animal companions seem like they would scale better in this edition because they get "full progression" instead of 3/4ths (while also being 3/4ths your HD, making them closer to 1/2), but the +1s matter so much more now.

The GM has already house ruled that animal companions take an action to start doing work, but if you just say "go attack" it will keep attacking (enemies) with its two actions per turn. This seems like it will be a giant help with action economy, but ultimately the work together feature seems really horrible for normal play since you only get 2 attacks at most after that.

As someone that played the Warder in Path of War, I'd love to see any defense central class that isn't the Paladin.

The archetype feats seem weird for me.

-Spellcasters can just use cantrips as many times per day as they want.

-Barbarian gets rage 1/day until 4th, which is when you may want to pick up a totem except for the fact that totems usually require you to be raging.
-Fighter can use AoO once/day until 4th.
-Monk doesn't get flurry at all, even once per day, and can pick it up at 10th.
-Paladin can use Retributive Strike once/day.
-Ranger Hunt Target is once/day and loses half of its effects (the better half)
-Rogue straight up just gets surprise attack, but suffers massively if you pick up the pitiful sneak attack feat.

It just seems that the spellcasting feats gain a lot more. I know that the martial archetypes give proficiency in weapons/armor, but that normally isn't a big thing unless you are coming from Sorcerer/Wizard.

The spellcasters also gain a ton more at the end of the day. Taking archetype feats all the way up can get you 8th level spells, or 15th character level stuff. Every martial extra feat dedication says you only count as half your level for prerequisites, meaning you can grab a 10th level feat at max.

On the off chance I like the actual release enough to play it, I will houserule AoOs for everyone. I really don't like the shenanigans that this change brought in.

I feel like it should be given to those that are at least trained in their weapons they are wielding, or possible expert.

Charm of Fate allows you to save from the first saving throw each day if you failed by 5 or less. As long as the Ego battle is the first saving throw, you have a fool proof way of keeping dominance for 5k gold.

Slim Jim wrote:

Paizo races are invariably either +2 to one stat, or +2 to two and -2 to one.

*cough* KOBOLD *coughing, wheezing*

The good normal Paizo races.

The game is designed to stop at level 20.

Close thread.

This game is designed to be changed at every table.

Delete post.

You are making references from the 40s to the 60s in an incredibly specific genre. Please stop acting like not knowing those characters means a lack of literary diversity. We have people from all ages groups on this forum, and not all of us read comic books.

The only time we remember those characters is annoying comic relief. Snarf was never funny. He was always annoying. In your sessions, your entire party is Lion-O, Panthro, Cheetara, Tygra,and maybe the two kids. Your sidekicks are NPCs that you meet in the world. You wouldn't have Snarf in your main fighting force, on the battlefield, facing off against Mumm-ra.

The best way is a Wis/Cha build using Paladin's Smite Evil to deal your damage, using Wisdom or Dex to hit, gaining a ton of Lay on Hands or Smite Evil uses a day, and gaining Dex/Wis/Cha to AC. This sadly doesn't get going until late, as its Monk 4, Cleric 1, Paladin 4 or Monk 4, Cleric 1, Paladin 2.

Sensei Monk can give you Wisdom to-hit, but you give up flurry of blows totally for a bardic performance that doesn't scale. Take 4 levels of Hospitaler Paladin or 1 level of cleric.

The basic combo is Ring of Ki Mastery, lowers any Ki cost by 1 (to a minimum of 1).
You can now use 1 Ki for a Lay on Hands or a Smite Evil/Chaos. (2nd level CoI)
Bronze Gong Channel focus lets you use a channel energy for 1 ki instead.

You can smite evil freely, having a ton of uses. You have Dex to AC, Wisdom to AC from Monk, and Cha to AC from smite evil. Remember if Scared Fist Monk could work, the Paladin Smite Evil and Monk AC bonus don't stack.

The product image is a mockup using existing art, since the all-new maps are not ready yet.

And I can guarantee you that we're not going to change the game in a way that makes you buy all new maps and minis. Flip-Mats will continue to be 1":5' scale.

I'll boycott if my Lego and Starburst minis are no longer usable in PF2.

KingOfAnything wrote:

*Thelith wrote:

At high levels, you would still wait for them to die and hit them with breath of life because its 1 spell and will remove the dying condition completely, and it wakes you up!!

If you cast cure deadly wounds before your friend drops to the ground, the don't have to waste the actions standing up and retrieving their weapon.

Or you could just save the actions and the money and leave them to their fate and pick up a new companion tomorrow.

I have to point out, some completely crazy people actually enjoying playing their current characters, even if the better option tactically is to jump off a bridge.

I was going to write a detailed post here, but I feel like talking to my wall might be a better use of my time.

The fighter does have ways to become a skill monkey. His advance weapon and armor training open a lot of opens for him if he wants to invest in it.

Umm... a few things.

1) Please don't joke about killing yourself.
2) The new system is made to simplify math and is overall easier to figure out.
3) You go unconscious anyways at -1HP in Pathfinder 1.
4) There is a suspension of disbelief that needs to be upheld with characters. Also you know when the full HP Barbarian just got tripped or when he fell unconscious. You can tell if someone got tripped or they fell unconscious.

Nathanael Love wrote:

Idk, what we've seen so far sure seems like they are just locking more things behind class walls, and increasing feat taxes.

Don't worry though, now the feat tax tyou won't even be able to ever take because what you want is locked behind someone else's class tax!

From what I understand in PF2, no feats will have prerequisites of other feats unless those two feats directly build upon each other, and many feats will automatically improve as you level (Power Attack, for example, eventually gains twice the effect with no additional investment).

And "class feats" being exclusive to classes is exactly the same thing as "only rogues get rogue talents, only barbarians get rage powers, etc." It's just that Rogue talents have been renamed "Rogue Feats".

The power of presentation matters a lot. This thread wouldn't be happening if they just called them talents. There would also be a clear divide between "feats" which can be picked up by anyone or a general list of classes, versus talents being 100% "only this class".

I think they are scared of the "up to the GM" part, since that can cause problems at the table.

"My level 1 character has been everywhere! Seen everything! I should know every knowledge!"

How does ability drain work with out ability scores?

Ability drain only works every 2 anyways. My main problem comes with the +1 you get every four levels (or every 5 in 2nd edition), that may or may not give you a modifier increase.

As for everyone complaining about explaining. You have two groups. You have new players that will ask questions regardless, and you really shouldn't be b&*+*ing. They are new players keeping this game alive. The second is players that honestly, don't give a f@%!. If it isn't ability scores, it will be something else.

Also any player having trouble learning should be given a character sheet and shown how to fill it out. They shouldn't have to figure out how much their to-hit is every turn. The paizo sheets don't have it, but the dyslexic studios character sheets have a place for generic melee bonus and generic ranged bonus.

Oh hey, that's pretty cool. So here's the end result:

1. wield a Glaive in both hands. Bladed Brush allows you to treat your off-hand as Free for the purpose of class features (Spell Combat in this case).
2. Wear a shield on your main arm. You are still wielding the Glaive in both hands.
3. Your Clawhand shield (on your main arm) can cast the somatic components.

So here's your actions:

1. Spell Combat. Your off-hand (the arm without the shield) is treated as free.
2. Make some attacks with your glaive.
3. Cast a spell, with your shield making the somatic components.

Problem #1 you have no free hand.

No matter where you put the shield, the other hand has the glaive. Either Hand A has the shield that is bracing a glaive and Hand B has a glaive in it or vise versa. It does not solve the problem of needing either Hand A or Hand B completely free.

The healing over your collective range and being able to divide healing as you will (with willing targets) does a lot.

I played with a vitalist in the group once. Hp damage meant nothing, so every enemy started dealing insane amounts of damage per hit or just straight didn't deal HP damage.

Undead and constructs are the bane of vitalists, but having a useless member in the group isn't much fun for anyone.

The main problem is balance. Either the vitalists doesn't have fun because they do nothing, the party never gets challenged ever, or you play mythic style rocket tag.

You are a Witch asking to face off versus a Barbarian WITHOUT killing the Barbarian. Your options are to run out of range so you don't get killed in one full turn and then attempt to help your ally or completely leave.

Tier 1 classes are also overhyped and it doesn't always work in play. A Dominated Barbarian is not a normal enemy. He is an enemy that is MUCH tougher than because you DO NOT WANT TO KILL HIM. That is a challenge in a game designed around killing enemies.

Fly Hex. Get out of his range then teleport.

I don't think I've ever heard of someone getting a bonus to climb or acrobatics simply by actually describing what they are doing before this thread.

I love role play, bit as I've said before in this thread, I work before games. I'm invested in the story and don't just walk up to the merchant and press x, but I can not ever become an irl diplomancer for when I play pathfinder.

Ultimately it comes down to this. If you can smooth talk, you get a bonus to ANY SKILL just because you can describe it well. I might play a bit more of a numbers and system crunch game, but that just doesn't sound fair.

As someone that often plays after getting off a 9 or 10hr shift every weekend, I hate bonuses for being able to talk well.

I'm very good at statting characters. I love the systems part of pathfinder and creating ideas of what to play. I usually know exactly what I'll pick at least until 8th with a good idea after that.

I have no idea how to make a backstory. It normally comes from systems. (Spheres of power) Caster has a drawback and has a magical sign that always goes off when casting? Flare for the dramatic and showman. Fighter crafts his own gear (master craftsman) because the party wizard is only taking wondrous? Fighter is an expert blacksmith and is annoyed at buying anyone else's "low quality" work.

I get little quirks or ideas, but it doesn't make a character. They seem hollow. Any advice for helping create actual characters?

I dread starting a new campaign, mainly from the player side. No one wants to do a session 0, and if we do, it is "tutorial island" with us fighting an oversized crab with 20ish AC at either level 1 or level 3.

No one in the group ever wants to try to work together and do a theme or even have backstories and personalities that could fit together. No one ever wants to be anywhere near support, because then they become the heal bot no matter what else they can do.

An evil person can tell the truth. An evil person may well be incredibly helpful is the situation is appropriate. Also who says neutral creatures can't be evil sometimes?

Also if your group is just randomly killing people because they are evil, there should be repercussions for this. The evil guild gets wind and sends assassins after them or something.

Also Undetectable Alignment. It is something even Paladin's get. Also RAW, a random NPC with 4 HD or less doesn't give off a strong enough presence to be a blip on the detect evil radar.

The price tag.

This is starting equipment levels of "neat" and usefulness. Not my +2 sword levels of usefulness.

Rat Catcher allows anyone to hit swarms with physical damage.

Matthew Downie wrote:

BenS wrote:

Can someone tell me if both of these scenarios are correct or just the 2nd example:

Battle A: Enemy archer [higher initiative] strikes my spell caster w/ an arrow before I complete my Magic Missile spell [standard action]; I need to make a Concentration check so as not to lose the spell, right?

Battle B: Enemy archer [higher initiative] strikes my spell caster w/ an arrow before I complete my Sleep spell [1 round casting]; I need to make a Concentration check so as not to lose the spell, right?

The difference is, with the Magic Missile they can only interrupt you if they use a readied action to shoot you during spell casting.

With the Sleep spell, they could make an ordinary full-round archery attack during their turn, after you start casting the spell, and still interrupt your concentration.

Although a melee combatant could take 2 swings to stop you. One with their readied action, and one with an AOO.

1) I thought you couldn't make an aoo and a readied action against the same action.

hmmm, it's like this has become an Alignment thread....

Hmm, it's like the Paladin is bound by an alignment.

just be glad he isn't dropping wales onto every enemy

That was changed from 3.5. " Creatures cannot be summoned into an environment that cannot support them." 500ft in the air is not a place that can support whales.