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I keep seeing references to shipping costs being an issue. Though I know some people would balk at it, I honestly would gladly eat a separate shipping cost if it meant I could get my minis from you guys. (I've gotten AvP minis from Prodoss/Archon, and really enjoyed the sculps and quality)

At this time, I feel the kickstarter is a total loss and frankly I've lost all faith that I'll ever see the minis I ordered. While logically I can understand the latest reasons given to delays, etc, but after the never ending string of excuses and stalling messages we've gotten over the... has it officially been years now? or a year? (I honestly can't tell, everything's been kind of a blur lately), I'm honestly excuse fatigued and all joy I held for this project when I first came across it has faded to a tiny ball of numbness.

One of the things that burns me up the most about this is even after ND dropped the ball so often, failed so hard, and ignored us for months on end, Kickstarter refuses to accept reports/complaints for the kickstarter itself despite the long trail of evidence against them, their lack of fulfillment, and even lack of communication. It's one thing to get ripped off, but to have the official process of recourse flippantly dismiss your complaints and concerns and ignore what's going on is a disgrace.

I'm not even angry. At least, not anymore. I'm just really, really disappointed.

Well, we're coming up on another month of absolute radio silence from our 'friends' at ND.

Yeah, ND's "updates" come like clockwork that can be pretty much accurately predicted at this point.

I reported them to Kickstarter for fraud, and pointed out that they have been routinely giving fake, gratuitous updates every couple of months to keep the charade going, but they rejected my claim and said that ND wasn't a fraudulent company *shrugs* take from that what you will. At this point, backing ND is pretty much complicity. I know Paizo means well and wants to help push them into finishing the project, but really ND is just looking for a cash cow to pay off this debt by incurring another one. It's like paying for a credit card with another credit card, but with a worse APR.

There might be another solution:

Kickstarter itself has a "Trust and Safety Team" that is starting to suspend extemely bad kickstarters, here an example:

That won't likely happen. Trust me, I'd already reported them as a scam, and this is what I got back from them:

Thank you for bringing this project to our attention:

Project: Starfinder Masterclass Miniatures
Report date: March 1, 2019, 6:44 PM EST
Report content:

Provider is not supplying products as pledged. Continued to create more projects without supplying product from previous campaigns. Went dark and stopped updating/responding to questions; now came bac...

We’ve investigated and determined that it doesn’t violate our rules or community guidelines. If you believe there is an issue that’s not covered by our rules or guidelines, please contact us with more details.

If you haven’t already, you can also communicate directly with the project creator.

While we won’t be taking action on this project at this time, we value your input. We rely on reports like yours to ensure the safety and integrity of Kickstarter for everyone.

Thanks again for looking out for the Kickstarter community.

Best,
Kickstarter Trust & Safety

Meanwhile, I have gotten a letter about another kickstarter I was in getting cancelled.

With luck, we'll see the project come to fruition, and we'll all be able to enjoy, if begrudgingly, joining in on the project. While I don't have a whole lot of belief that I'll see the minis I ordered, I still hold out hope.

Like Erik said: the minis they did provide, especially the prepaints, were pretty amazing all around, and frankly I would like to see more of them.

I have a real desire to get to get a couple of the Vesk Fleets when/if they come out (especially if there's a prepaint version, but will gladly paint my own). I'm working on retooling the Dead Suns campaign to make the ending (and seeding bits throughout) a more epic, cinematic battle where a ragtag fleet of small factions the players encountered and aided throughout joins them and hits the Corpse Fleet to distract them and slow them down (forcing them to divide their forces). Kind of a nod to Mass Effect when your fleets engage the Reapers.

Hey everyone - asking a question here for a friend. They backed this kickstarter when it first came out, and just saw the message sent out about fulfillment. Ninja Divison hasn't been very responsive, but he's moved houses recently - he's not yet had any product delivered, but wants it delivered to his new place. Does anyone on this thread have an idea how to most easily update his address?

Just tell him to make sure he keeps his info on Game On Tabletop (the service they were using to process the orders) up to date. That's about all any of us can do these days, really.

Honestly I really do feel like this topic is just a can getting repeatedly kicked down the road into perpetuity.

I know and understand that there's not much that can be said or done at the moment, I know CS is 'walking a fine line', and I know they 'care', but seriously, we keep getting told that X is going to make a statement soon, BUT...

Each event that is supposedly the reason we need to wait a little longer before we hear something other than the same line we got from the beginning comes and goes, and frankly it's starting to turn into white noise. We may not be getting 'radio silence', but endless static is starting to get old, especially now that the newest hurdle is 'too busy with 2E'. It feels like Rumplestiltskin, and each time a bigger room has to be spun into gold before we get our freedom.

I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.

As Realo Foxtrot was kind enough to point out above, each of these four kickstarter projects that Ninja Division set forth well exceeded the funding levels that Ninja Division determined were necessary to make the project viable.

Yeah, throughout this whole fiasco, I still can't wrap my head around each of their products being funded hundreds (and at least one case more than 1000?) of % over the asking price, and them still making up pie and bar charts claiming that they didn't get enough money.

I understand that a lot of that extra % will go to supplying the demand, but production costs per unit go down the more you produce (bulk order cost savings) and it's pretty hard to blow that much extra profit unless you go out for blackjack and hookers.

Heh. I just read the "breaking the radio silence" post they made. That's precious.

$457,539 collected of a $50,000 goal (not counting all the money from the "under the table" backers who did late pledge like I did), and they want to throw together a bar chart that shows collected amount and costs to date amount being almost the same (with costs being higher), and a much larger costs to deliver bar.

I understand that financing projects is much more complex than this, but their charts look rather slapped together to me (the ratios are almost exactly the same on the first 3 too), and I don't buy their excuses.

EDIT: To add: I want to say that I SWEAR I saw this exact message, word for word, pie and bar charts included somewhere else before from ND, only months ago. I can't find out where though (some sort of press release, maybe?) and it gives me a strange sense of deja vu to see it again, as well as no hope that we'll get our Kickstarters fulfilled. Paizo seems to get hope from this 'update', but it's the same hollow lip service they give us every 4+ months.

They claim that they sent out 22(or 28?)k minis, which people calculated to average 12 minis per backer. A very long chain of people claiming to be all in backers that didn't receive a single miniature seems to make those claimed numbers a bit... off.

I just want to ask can we all stop, take a deep breath, and step away for a bit?

I've been going through the latest posts, and while I'm just as eager as many of you are to hear SOME news about this, us attacking each other, playing arm chair lawyers, and performing other assorted shenanigans isn't going to get any of us anywhere.

Paizo, through Sara Marie, is keeping us informed as best as they are able. I'm sure they need to tread carefully due to legal ramifications as some have suggested, and they don't want to mislead us by spilling any and every breadcrumb they are able to get a hold of just to appease our craving for info. If we're all patient, this situation will eventually be resolved (hopefully to a happy end). Though it doesn't seem like much, this is, frankly, far more info than Ninja Division has given us, and given ND's track record for communicating, I wouldn't be surprised if they're not doing much talking to Paizo either.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought news feeds, etc would be a great way to trickle in info and flesh out the story and events.
I'm reading through the first 2 and looking for plotholes, trouble spots, and other things I can flesh out, avoid, or rework. This helps a lot with what I already was brainstorming, thanks!