paizo.com Favorited Posts by Magius Alphapaizo.com Favorited Posts by Magius Alpha2022-08-06T00:00:01Z2022-08-06T00:00:01ZRe: Forums/Pathfinder First Edition: General Discussion: Why have unlimited cantrips/orisons?Magius Alphahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2meoe&page=2?Why-have-unlimited-cantripsorisons#972014-01-08T21:30:08Z2011-07-01T23:57:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Auxmaulous wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Here is a refresher on one of the cantrips/orisons in question</p>
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<p>This isn't just 2 gallons, this is 2 gallons per round (six seconds). So 1 minute of continuous casting yields 20 gallons, 10 minutes 200 gallons, 1 hour 1,200 gallons, 4 hours 4,800 gallons, and 8 hours (just for sunshadow) is 9,600 gallons - all at 1st level. Multiply level to the numbers listed (x2 for 2nd, x3 for 3rd, etc) for added idiocy. </p>
<p>No need for water rights, no need to worry about water for agriculture, droughts, scarcity, etc.
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Water created in contained areas will fill up and destroy lighter structures, create stress weights, flush out vermin and other nasties in smaller caverns and dungeons + extra creative stupid stuff. </p>
<p>Mending is just beyond insane as a cantrip </p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted ••... </blockquote><p>Well, that's an interesting point, but here's a counterpoint. Let's take this the other way: RAW, it takes 8 gallons to fill a cubic foot of space, so in order to fill a single 5' cube, it would take 1000 gallons of water (5x5x5, times 8 to find the gallons). In other words, it would take a first level character an hour to mostly cover the average human. Wow, impressive.
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Or, let's reverse that - a 20th level character spamming this for 24 hours (the absolute maximum you could get from this, mind) would generate 2 (base) • 20 (level) • 10(rounds in a minute) • 60 (minutes in an hour) • 24 (hours in a day) = 576000 gallons of water, which fills a 72000 cubic foot area, or a 576 Cube area (5x5x5 cubes). Assuming a 10' high dungeon/cave ceiling on average, and 10' wide average halls, that would fill... a whole 144 squares into the cave completely. Or, to put that another way (still using the average of 10' high ceilings), could fill a total of 8 30x30 rooms.
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Over 24 hours, with absolutely no breaks, at which point the water starts disappearing and you're just maintaining what's already there. And that is the most ridiculous situation I can think of for it. Not exactly game-breaking material.</p>
<p>As for Mending, I don't see it taking the place of good, old-fashioned crafting. Sure, it's faster and always fixing the thing perfectly, but for most mundane stuff (you know, the stuff that 90% of the population would need to get repaired) it's complete overkill - it's like getting second skin for a 2 centimeter papercut! (to continue the analogy, it's like going to the doctor for something a bandaid can fix).
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Magius out.</p>Auxmaulous wrote:Here is a refresher on one of the cantrips/orisons in question
** spoiler omitted **
This isn't just 2 gallons, this is 2 gallons per round (six seconds). So 1 minute of continuous casting yields 20 gallons, 10 minutes 200 gallons, 1 hour 1,200 gallons, 4 hours 4,800 gallons, and 8 hours (just for sunshadow) is 9,600 gallons - all at 1st level. Multiply level to the numbers listed (x2 for 2nd, x3 for 3rd, etc) for added idiocy.
No need for water rights, no need to worry...Magius Alpha2011-07-01T23:57:35Z