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Then it's not your fault. A bad decision is your fault. A bad roll is nobody's fault.

yes but i had a item (that i used in a dungeon) that could have either A. gotten the party away, or b. get a nat 20 on a roll. i had to use it during the boss fight

What actually happened?

My character: a wizard named karma got a nat 1 on a will save and got possessed by a demon, the demon was the final boss as we were almost at the end. we werent ready and it killed everybody except karma and kept karma as a new vessel... thats basicly the Tl;dr

i still feel bad as it was a new person campaign, almost everyone was new except the DM and is brother. now 2 people are angry at me and the rest are neutral i think

im a player, and yes i know i sounded like a dm in the last few posts i made but meh, anyways i digress. i played a campaign recently and it just ended a bit ago with everyone dying and getting the bad ending. i did something wrong and i feel like its my fault that everyone got the bad end, im to nervous to join a new campaign because of this and i know i sound like a cry baby but i just dont want to mess up someone else's campaign... the one i screwed up was my first campaign so not the best introduction huh? heh, anyways im going to leave it here. i will be awaiting the 'man up' comments soon. thanks for reading

Lawler197 wrote:

if this is a bad idea thank you

Yes, it's a bad idea.

Do look above to one of my responces if you have nothing to say. thank you :)

they already agreed to it outside the battle, he is just giving the riddle to the character so the character knows its about to go down. and he wants a fair fight as stated. he wants to warn him about what he wil go up against as the lich already knows what he is going against

Lawler197 wrote:

i will let them roll if none of them can figure it out. if you choose not to help then do so but please do not comment if you dont want to help or want to point out if this is a bad idea thank you and goodbye

I'm trying to give you advice from one GM to another, I understand it's not the advice you want but I think it is advice you should consider.

It's a bit like having a man ask you for a fish, and teaching him to fish instead.

Can you provide some context for a riddle to even make sense? Why is there a riddle to figure out that the PC is a lich? Is the lich PC just telling players a riddle because he wants to be found out? If not, where are they finding this riddle and why?

This is important information to actually have a riddle that makes sense within the story at all.

The lich wants to finally kill of a few people in the group mainly the barbarian because he (when the lich was a normal wizard) would scare and intimidate him, the lich wants to prove himself strong and the better one of the party at least thats my understanding of it. he wants to end the barbarians life with a fight. the lich could yes kill the barbarian with a sneak attack or a betrayal but he does not seem to want that, he wants a all out duel to prove he is truely not one to be trifled with

A riddle should be difficult, but always provide clues to the answer; some may be obvious, some not so.

Here's an example for you:

My power is fabled and sought by many, but only achieved by few.
I become eternal as the sun, yet we share no similar interests.
Though many of my objects are coveted, I cherish one more than my own existence.
Unlike most, the inevitable comes for me multiple times.
For those who wish to become as me, they must pay the ultimate price.

I am...

From the above description, you can quite reasonably reach the conclusion of "the Lich," but it can very easily be taken as something else; if you accomplish that, then congratulations; you've made a riddle.

Thank you

So, you probably wont like it but I'll tell you right now this is bad.

First, I'm assuming you mean there wont be rolls, not roles. In that event, it means you're putting all the pressure on your players instead of their characters. If you have a player with a wizard character with 20+ int, they're a very intelligent person who is probably good at riddles. But the person playing them might very well not be. You're robbing the player of meaningful character decisions by instead putting all of the solving on outside knowledge. This is terrible. It takes people out of the game, instead of engaging them more deeply in the game. That's opposite of the purpose of role playing games.

In general, riddles are a bad idea unless you're going to allow the players to roll to solve it with applicable skills or intelligence. But if you're going to do that, then it becomes an issue of "if no one makes the check then the game doesn't advance". This is why GMs should always follow the "rule of 3". When you're trying to supply information to the party there should generally be 3 different ways for them to acquire the information.

The only way riddles are acceptable in my opinion is if they're super obvious. And I mean super obvious, like the Skyrim door lock puzzle. The answer to the puzzle was usually written on little stone tablets right above the posts, or in the same room. Worst case scenario was generally that the tablets were in the previous room.

and by roles i do mean roles. there is no Inquisitors or such. they might have a few things to cast but i doubt they would cast it on the lich just to find out

So, you probably wont like it but I'll tell you right now this is bad.

First, I'm assuming you mean there wont be rolls, not roles. In that event, it means you're putting all the pressure on your players instead of their characters. If you have a player with a wizard character with 20+ int, they're a very intelligent person who is probably good at riddles. But the person playing them might very well not be. You're robbing the player of meaningful character decisions by instead putting all of the solving on outside knowledge. This is terrible. It takes people out of the game, instead of engaging them more deeply in the game. That's opposite of the purpose of role playing games.

In general, riddles are a bad idea unless you're going to allow the players to roll to solve it with applicable skills or intelligence. But if you're going to do that, then it becomes an issue of "if no one makes the check then the game doesn't advance". This is why GMs should always follow the "rule of 3". When you're trying to supply information to the party there should generally be 3 different ways for them to acquire the information.

The only way riddles are acceptable in my opinion is if they're super obvious. And I mean super obvious, like the Skyrim door lock puzzle. The answer to the puzzle was usually written on little stone tablets right above the posts, or in the same room. Worst case scenario was generally that the tablets were in the previous room.

i will let them roll if none of them can figure it out. if you choose not to help then do so but please do not comment if you dont want to help or want to point out if this is a bad idea thank you and goodbye

the lich is a pc at the very start, they are a wizard that uses evocation as a main. he was actually the one that mainly recruited them to the team and has been there for every session, the lich will be telling it to them. but not directly as he will be saying it to a necromancer who cant do jack to him. the lich is- was a elf who didnt prey to any gods. we have no priests or paladins somehow, the party consists of the lich (wizard) samarai,monk,bard,ninjaboy(rouge),Another wizard,barbarian and a sorcerer (very spell heavy team) none of them thus far suspect him but the pc lich has dropped hints and is well... not the nicest person as you would think. he was also evil before becoming a lich so it isnt a sudden decline in his personality if you need more info do say

ALSO there probably wont be roles to automatically figure it out. it the the players and the character's intelect out of game to figure it out. thank you

I need help making a riddle, mainly one to help other players find out about a lich. specifically the lich among them, the lich is fine and almost hoping to be found out and i dont want to dissapoint. I need a riddle about undead or leader of the undead or something with the end answer being 'the lich' or 'a lich' thank you in advance

myarhg

Thank you all for the hints. as of right now i learned that i am going to be fighting against another lich. so hiding it might be a little hard. but that makes it all the more fun :)

Lawler197 wrote:

Hello. i am hunter or lawler. i have a wizard that will be turning into a lich and i already know what you will say. its a bad idea. i know. im here to have fun, so i would liek some tips. like how tohide that you are a lich from the group. or the suggested curses i can do behind their backs. and what to do incase somebody suspects im no longer a wizard but the ladder. ladder being the lich. and ways to heal.

Just tell them you are a lich? Undead have to be Evil(allignment), as far as I remember, but that doesn't mean they have to be evil(as in, kick puppies and kill humans for fun). Allignment doesn't force your actions. Since OOC the rest of the players will probably know you are a lich anyways, just discuss your reveal. It could make for some interesting roleplay as a bonus.

Lich is just a wizard who doesn't die. You can use that immortality to build flying fortresses and conquer continents, or to educate the populace and spread science and technology. #NotAllUndead

Thank you buuuuut... The dm has stated 'Becoming a lich is unforgivable' while yes not all liches are bad most of them are. i have already dropped plenty of hints. like renaming my new lich who they will think have died 'kismet' the synonym to the name he currently has 'Karma'

oh and another question! what feats are good for wizard? and please no treantmonk guides. i have already seen it. thanks in advance!

Extended Fleshy Facade.

It is a ghoul racial spell, but I think if a ghoul teaches it to you it's OK.

Thanks!

Lawler197 wrote:

i already know what you will say. its a bad idea. i know. im here to have fun

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or the suggested curses i can do behind their backs.

If you want to have fun, remember that you should allow everyone else to have fun too.

oh i know. dont worry but i need advice though.

heh true

ALSO our people... we ave a cleric,bard,ninja,samurai and a sorcerer... the cleric is the dm and the dm and me are in the talks with the lich art. so he might not discover im a lich right away

Lawler197 wrote:

how tohide that you are a lich from the group.

Your appearance shouldn't really change right away, so that's no immediate concern. But the fact that you'll be damaged by healing effects may be an issue. You could try talking to the healers of your party, and make up some story about how you don't want to be healed by them any more. Maybe you feel to beholden to their Deity already?

Another option would be claiming you've awoken some sort of ancient curse, and their divine spells now hurt like the Hells or something. You'd need a decent Bluff roll to pull it all off, but it might work.

Also, avoid Undead like the plague. Otherwise you may well get "caught in the blast" of any anti-Undead spells or abilities.

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and ways to heal.

Infernal Healing should do the trick.

Thanks

Hello. i am hunter or lawler. i have a wizard that will be turning into a lich and i already know what you will say. its a bad idea. i know. im here to have fun, so i would liek some tips. like how tohide that you are a lich from the group. or the suggested curses i can do behind their backs. and what to do incase somebody suspects im no longer a wizard but the ladder. ladder being the lich. and ways to heal.

Hello. i am hunter or lawler. i have a wizard that will be turning into a lich and i already know what you will say. its a bad idea. i know. im here to have fun, so i would liek some tips. like how tohide that you are a lich from the group. or the suggested curses i can do behind their backs. and what to do incase somebody suspects im no longer a wizard but the ladder. ladder being the lich. thinks in advance