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nice
Tx for your assistance.


by the way a tenser disk is level 1 i think. but who's counting


Meirril you right tk maneuvers and globe can... at least that.


i can get over it, if there was a ability at level 7. or level 8 or even level 9.

it doesn't take longer... he is never able. that's the problem.

and yes a regular wizard no specialized in tk will have it.

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one last thing if a person is emerge in water, the water is liquid, not a object that is unattended, because it can even be attended . you can pick it up. even a 20 people. and fly at level 2.

"Additionally, you can create a container of entwined strands of aether in order to hold liquids or piles of small objects of the same weight. You can dip the container to pick up or drop a liquid as a move action. "

so like that since it has not specified. and not related to mage hand you can.


love the that ideia.

and love the ideia of being able to lift 3 tons. and i lift a ton in mid air... a freaking canary touches the stone and collapses it over a castle... that standed for a 100 generations. and it's destroyed...

or being able to steal someone, push him back, slap it... throw him with a dragon, trip him.... lift a 3 tons... but cannot lift a person even at level 20 (without throwing him) or lift a 100 kg with a canary above it. but with a 1000 dead canaries you can.

conclusion: the soul of a creature waits a bilion tons... and when you specialize in TK pure aether, it's even worst because you dont have a single AOE, and a freaking ring is better then you.

so yes damn.
and there is no official errata to the class...


And still no freedom as per tk spell, not even at level 7 or 8 or 9... will receive the same freedom. It's strange...

Maybe my gm will allow... who knows.
for the fun at least.

maybe i need to spend 75k to buy a ring like that...


with finesse kinetic you are allowed to use sleight of hand, so can a person pick pocket someone.

and by the way the master of tk, a pure aether... will never be able to move a friend or a foe... however a generalist of a wizard, or a peasant with a tk ring will... sounds a bit strange.

If you consider that the exeption can alter the target of a object being magical can be logical that the other target is also change. and substituted.

until now the most logic solution is:

if it requires a save it will fail, if it does not you can try to lift.
and recheck the target if it changes...

and the unattended object is consider a non wearable or using object.


"You could even say that Basic TK already removes the attended limitation, because they don't mention it in that text. "You can move an object", not "You can move an unattended object".

Good Catch, yes it does say:
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This ability is similar to mage hand, except you can move an object that weighs up to 5 pounds per 2 kineticist levels you possess (minimum 5 pounds), and you can move magical objects.
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Is there any official ruling, since trying to lift a carriage and failing because there is a fly landed there... sounds like a terrible spell. Its not just a level zero spell it's a level zero a level 1 with finesse and possibly one class. Since i am pure aether.

or do you want to have a GM telling you there is a bacteria in the carriage?....

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Or do you want me to lift the chassis of the wagon.... if i am inside of the wagon i am not attending it. Or can i be doing ski with a rope behind it.... i am attach to the rope not the wagon.

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Is there any official ruling?