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Good day to you! Let me introduce myself - I am Giamo Casanunda!
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Giamo Casanunda World’s Second-Greatest Lover (I do try harder) Finest Swordsman Soldier of Fortune Outrageous Liar Art Critic Heart Warming Physician Stepladders Repaired As a Matchmaker by profession, I would normally ask 'are you currently involved in a long term relationship?', but I see that you are actually looking for a Diety! Clearly that is "Looking for a Long Term Relationship!" Wanting to get a little more of the Devine in your life? Well son, have a beer while we discuss the merits of Cayden - the Lucky Drunk. Before his ascension, he was an adventurer much like yourself - so you have a lot in common. Having a deity that can relate to you has it's advantages! And being C/N to his C/G would add a little spice to the relationship - I know, as I am C/N myself! But here! I promised you a beer! I'll produce my holy symbol ...
Ok that is good can you share with us what was your last game in 1e and the story of your PC and how you enjoy it ;) Mostly in the time that we are stuck at home, I have been running on Roll20. But when I am not running, I do enjoy playing. In 1e, I mostly play in PFS, where I have 40+ active characters. Each is unique (mostly) and each has their own story (dare I say, each has their fun stories?)... and it would easily take to long to go thru them all. But... fun stories? yeah, got a ton of them. Nice story... : it's been told before, but it still often brings a smile to hear it repeated from time to tome...
My heavy armor cleric can't hit the broad side of a barn. It's the -2 from the tower shield and the fact that his strength is 10... anyway, I usually don't even try. During character introductions, I explain this ("in character") and that he has the Love domain, and profession matchmaker, so as he introduces himself to each PC he says in a faux french accent, "so, are you currently involved in a long term relationship?"... this often leaves players speech-less (esp. female players), but moving on, he forges ahead with introductions. Now we can flash forward to the middle of a dungeon crawl and the PCs are searching a room. My cleric is against one wall in the center of the room, when a LARGE secret door opens to reveal a LARGE demon right next to my cleric. As he puts this HUGE figure on the table in base-to-base contact with my cleric, the judge says - "what do you do?" and so, with out missing a beat I reply "I look up at the Demon and say 'so, are you currently involved in a long term relationship?'"
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Levels 1-3 are dangerous.*Yes*. -- And starting at 1st is an excellent way to acclimate your players to the idea that combat ought not be the PCs' one and only solution to every problem. The last time I saw a PC death at the gaming table, was my sisters 16th level Barbarian missed a Will save. Save or Die. Bang! you're dead. Full heath with over 300 HP to dead in one dice roll... Took a Miracle to bring her back...
I can see this being even funnier if the PCs were actually "Body Doubles" hired to stand in for the L20 NPCs at a function the high level guys didn't want to bother with. You know, got to go the the opening ceremony for the new charity wing of the Old Adventurers Hall. So they LOOK LIKE the L20 gang, and most people around them treat them as the L20 gang. So when a Mummy suddenly attacks out of nowhere and all the PCs freeze in terror (failed their save), and the "low level guards" take out the threat, the Guard Captain thanks the PCs for "holding back so my crew can get some experience in". The Captain could even offer to help them with "any light work" they encounter during their investigation in town. "No need to trouble yourself handling monsters that are so low level you don't even get any XP for..." Heck, you could even add in a "guide" or "coach" for the PCs by having the L20 Wizards familiar still around. Say a Raven so it can speak, and at 20 level it has more HP then the players, has an INT of 15, and a real reason to drive the players to "get the boss back!". It would provide the GM with a 'voice' to guide the action in the game. Insuring that the PCs KNOW what happened... and can constantly update the PCs on how to "keep up the act" and "play their part"... you know what? I'm really liking this idea for a game.
The L20 party plane shifted to a private Demiplane called "The Tavern" or "The Temple" (created with the spell Create Demiplane, Greater) to get some private R&R*, only to find that the tuning fork the PCs packed in the Wizard Spell Component Pouch was actually the one for the OTHER Demi-Plan, the (dead magic) one created by them to Trap enemies in. So, the L20s have ended up in an Anti Magic Plane, with a bunch of monsters they have (over the years) plane shifted here to dispose of. Heck, the target Demi-Plane could even be Time-Stopped, giving the PCs a long range goal - to ultimately free the L20s from the time pocket... along with a BUNCH of monsters for the FINAL FIGHT SCENE...
actually, some weeks later, in prepping to run that same scenario I discovered that the Demon actually WAS "currently involved in a long term relationship" ... with another demon that we had defeated earlier in the scenario. Which may explain why it seemed to be so upset with me about the question...
The board seems a little negative today - a bit of a downer to tell the truth...
My heavy armor cleric can't hit the broad side of a barn. It's the -2 from the tower shield and the fact that his strength is 10... anyway, I usually don't even try. During character introductions, I explain that he has the Love domain, and profession matchmaker, so as he introduces himself to each PC he says in a faux French accent, "so, are you currently involved in a long term relationship?"... this often leaves players speechless (esp. female players- maybe thinking I'm hitting on them, you know "Ol Creepy Guy"...), but moving on, he forges ahead with the introduction. "I am a Matchmaker by profession, it is my 'day job' (finger quotes), perhaps we might discuss some of my other clients?" At this point I switch to my OOC voice and say ... "Role Play often suffers due to time constraints, and we only have a limited time for this tonight so..." switching back to In Character voice "Sigh... It appears that we have got to save the world again now, perhaps after that we'll find your one true love, yes?" Now flash forward to the middle of the dungeon crawl and the PCs are searching a room. My cleric is against one wall in the center of the room, when a LARGE secret door opens to reveal a LARGE demon right next to my cleric - 5 feet away. The judge after putting out the demon figure on the table (did I mention it was right beside my figure?) turns to me and says - "what do you do?" and with out missing a beat I reply "I look up at the Demon and say 'so, are you currently involved in a long term relationship?'"
The Adventurers are about to jump into the final fight... The Dwarven cleric, wanting to try out the new spell IronBeard, gets the druid to let him cast it on her AC - a Large T-Rex. She uses a plastic toy T-Rex that sort of looks like Rex in Toy Story. So the party bursts in on the BBE and rushing into melee in the front line is a Bearded T-Rex. To make it worse - the Sorcerer (from behind Rex) in the party casts Hideous Laughter on the (non-humanoid) BBE, and we have the following.... Judges description went something like this -
The Druid waving the T-Rex figure and saying a half hearted "Rrraaarr!??" didn't help matters any. Needless to say - the fight went well for the PC's. The BBE missed the second save and it was all over from there.... I do think that Rex was a little hurt by the reaction to his charge though. All things considers, it was an Epic Fight (even if it was a Cake Walk).
"I am a Matchmaker by profession, it is my 'day job' (finger quotes), perhaps we might discuss some of my other clients?"
"So, are you currently involved in a long term relationship?" "No? Would you like to be?" "Here is my card -" Card:
"I am Giamo Casanunda, Cleric of the god of Love - Cayden. "I am a Matchmaker by profession you see, it is my 'day job' (finger quotes), perhaps we might discuss some of my other clients?" "Sigh... It appears that we have got to save the world again now, perhaps after that we'll find your one true love, yes?" "Perhaps after this I could introduce you to my little brother Buba? "He started his adventuring career with a 16 CHA, and has improved it twice - as well as purchased a magic item (a Rod) to improve it more (he is ninth level now, and is a channel focused Cleric of Nevi Rombadazzle - effective CHA of 22). "I myself started my career with a 14 - but then I am a cleric of the god of Love (Cayden Cailean - with sub-domain Love)." (Big Smile!)
One thing I may add is that, if someone holding a shield or a buckler, and the others don't. Who would you hit first? I personally would hit someone with no form of protections over the other. Doesn't matter how powerful you are, you can do a thing one I stab you in the face. The point of ambush is to quickly end enemies by surprise. If one is smart enough to set ambush, he must be smart enough to choose target.That depends, if the buckler user is wearing light or no visible armor, and the other targets are more armored, then I'd go for the buckler user first. My PCs often pick up a Hat of Disguise to take advantage of the "Shot at the squishy" tactic some monsters will use - so my Armored-Brick -Cleric-in-Full-Plate looks like a Wizard (pointy hat and all) or my Wizard often looks like an A-B-C. Good Judges (or good ones in my biased opinion) pay attention to this. Poor Judges (again just my opinion) just never seem to notice ( and always seem to just know the poor AC PCs to shot at). I've even had a PC with two Hats, so that he could loan one out to another PC at the start of the game and then we'd switch figures. One judge got a bit offended by this tactic though, as he missed the fact that we had swapped appearances (and figures) and what looked like a wizard on the table was really the AC 26 Dwarven Cleric...
I personally have never had a problem with a Necromancer PC in PFS. And I have played with a few that I can remember... though not one that has ever cast Animate Dead at the table... And not as many as I have Paladins. I have had a fellow PC (a Paladin) report my PC to the Authorities (i.e. "Called the Cops" on my PC when I used Slight of Hand to get a Faction Mission McGuffin... It seems he objected to my guy "acting in an un-Lawful manor", stealing from a local merchant. The funniest part of this was the fact that it was HIS McGuffin I had pilfered. He told the merchant he wanted it, and when they wouldn't just hand it over... So I "lifted it" and when I gave it to the Pally later... he went back to the Merchant to check my story about how I had gotten it. Then went to the Authorities... sheeesh....) In fact, I can recall several problem players who were running Paladins... Not by any means all. But enough to cause me to watch for it. So, when I sit at a table with a group of total strangers, I'm not likely to watch for trouble with the lady running the Necromancer. The Paladin player on the other hand? Got to modify my play style around them - watch for "issues" popping up.
Not sure what else the writer expected to have happen. Without a compelling reason otherwise, most adventurers respond to lethal force with lethal force unless they have a really convenient alternative like cause blindness or hold person ready to go. Heck, when I played that scenario, our judge required us to say which 5 foot square we were looking for the sniper in - one move action per Perception check (opposed by the snipers Stealth skill - if she happened to be in the square we were looking at). There's a bunch of squares on that forest map! So while spending rounds looking for the sniper in 2 squares each round (with distance modifiers of -1 per 10 foot distance), we talked to her... Link to a thread I posted after that game...Why-do-DMs-still-use-the-3-5-Search-rules..
Party is about to jump into a "Boss Fight". The Dwarven cleric, wanting to try out the new spell IronBeard he just discovered, gets the druid to let him cast it on her AC - a Large T-Rex. The Druid player was using a plastic toy T-Rex for her AC, sort of like the toy from Toy Story. So they burst in on the BBE and rushing into melee is a Bearded T-Rex. To make it worse - the Sorcerer in the party hits the Enemy Boss with a Hideous Laughter spell, and so we have the following.... Judges description went something like this - "As the doors burst open and a Large figure of the T-Rex rushes into the room, (insert BBE name) whips around ready to respond to the threat - only to catch sight of the animal companion and collapse into gales of laughter. Hands clutching his sides he rocks back and forth, drumming his heels on the floor. Every few seconds he draws a breath - only to catch sight of the bearded lizard again and erupt all over again in giggles." Needless to say - the fight went well for the PC's. The BBE missed the second save and it was all over from there.... I do think that perhaps the T.Rex was a little hurt by the reaction to his charge though. It was kind of a Toy Story moment.
Doesn't sound like the dwarves were very thirsty. :) 3 days? must not of been very good mead... 75 gallons divided by 5 PCs (you can't tell me the HALFLING isn't in there getting a full share) gives 15 gallons each. 15 gallons in 3 days is only 5 gallons a day. Heck, all they need is some pizza and they have a Lodge Dorm weekend...
I run a Heavy Armor Cleric of Caiden Cailean (spelling?) with domains Travel and Love - with the concept of a hard to hit Combat Medic. Feel free to check on him by clicking on my name, to see what he's like at 11+ level... but at low level (2nd-3rd) he went with Tower Shield and Full Plate armor. With the Dex of 12, this got him an AC of 24 at early 3rd level, and just went up from there. Love domain means that some attacks... never happen. and Dwarf means armor never effects movement. Travel domain and the Domain spell of Longstrider gives a movement speed of 40' thru most any terrain... etc.
Turning to Janica, Giamo will continue there conversation. "I've actually seen several unique uses of wands myself. A Halfling sorcerer friend of mine carried a wand of some electrical spell as a side arm. It seemed he really didn't have the strength to use an actual weapon, but the fact that he just had to touch things... I'm sure you can see the advantages. "Then there was the wand we found that looked like a small wooden barrel. Small enough to hold in your hand, but shaped like one of those rain barrels you'll see outside General Stores? Yeah, you would hold it in hand, shake it and speak the trigger word. And out popped a swarm of screeching monkeys. Yeah, it was a 'barrel of monkeys'!"
"Ha! The 'dispatching of creatures' to the Lady of Graves is NOT in my job description anymore. Just 'the Body Recovery', and keeping the team alive while we do it. We got the 'body' this time, and what do you know, it not only was mostly intact, but was still alive! Sorta. "Pathfinder had got himself in a real jam, and so 'locked himself in amber'! Quick thinking adventurer he was - popped a scroll with one of those Snake Sigils on it. So the Poison/Curse didn't kill him before we got to him - 'suspended animation' and all that. But then Wander dispelled the Sigil, and surprise-surprise, he was not happy. A few seconds to tell us the problem, and if I hadn't had Delay Poison ready he would have been really dead - and re-animated as undead! First time I've see that kind of thing, combining an undead curse with a poison base - hope it's not a new fad or something. Nasty stuff... Anyway, shipped him off to a Witch specializing in both Curses and Poisons, so she should be able to fix him up by morning." By now Giamo would be settling into dinner, waving "ripe meat off the bone" in one hand and a full tankard (Caydens Silver Tankard filled with the house mead) in the other. Soon there will be off-key singing and off-color jokes, perhaps he will brake into a chorus of that dwarven favorite "Gold! Gold! Gold!" or tell the story of the time he tried to fix a major demon up with a date. A fun party evening ahead, as one would expect at a table with a high level Cayden Cleric at it.
I've actually had a lot of success as a "Healer-Tank" with a heavy armor/tower shield Cleric, or as I call them Combat Medics... nearly un-hittable and with the spells watchful eye (1st level) and shield other I am often able to syphon off half the damage the Glass Cannon is taking and then Channel to heal us both (sort of doubling Channel output). Or just slap some heavy Cure spells on whoever needs it in the middle of combat.
Giamo is somewhat taken aback by the way the conversation has shifted to his background - not the usual turn when talking to adventurers who normally can speak at length about themselves. "What draws any of us to love? Perhaps it was the combination with Travel - or the fact that he was originally a mortal, and so would have a better understanding of mortal love... Or perhaps it was a broken heart? Whatever the cause, it is in the past, and we are speaking of the future. "Jannica Doe, amore' finds us when we least expect it, often when we are - as you say (air quotes) 'not really looking'. It is often best to provide oneself with the opportunities- and see if love will spring unexpected from casual meetings. And if it does not? Well, enjoy the drinks! The company! Have fun in life! "But, to much about serious things. You describe yourself as 'pathfinder, explorer, and wand merchant'. Pathfinder I know, explorer I can see, so tell me about 'wand merchant'? I have a client named Da Wander - who says she is three times a Wander. A Wonder, a traveler, and a user of wands. She collects them. It would be interesting to have you two meet."
Giamo comments from his table beside the bar where the Aasimar is standing, "A two fisted drinker! I see you know how to enjoy Caydens gifts! Please, join me! Bring your bottle, and it appears you already have a glass, so pull up a chair and enjoy the floor show!" Realizing that he is being a bit presumptuous, he begins again. "I am honored to make your acquaintance. I am Giamo Casanunda - Cleric of Cayden, the god of love. , at your service." He offers you his business card with his right hand, while holding a tankard in his left. . "Seeing that you are un-accompanied,I would like to ask, are you currently involved in a long term relationship? Would you like to be?" (Big grin!) Giamo goes on to say "I am a Matchmaker by profession you see, it is my 'day job' (finger quotes) - so if you might be interested in such a relationship, perhaps we might discuss some of my other clients?"
With an almost sub-sonic "thuMP!" of noise, a clatter of armored movement and the stirring of velvet curtains on one of the booths to the side reveals the "booth" beyond to lack any furnishings, just a marble floor. . Standing or sitting on the marble floor are 4, ah, "persons" in various stages of health while holding the curtain open is a heavy armored dwarf just swinging his tower shield to his back. The image the image of twin hearts, linked with an arrow are prominent on the face of the shield. An faint aroma of burnt meat and hot-stale air seems to trickle past him as he speaks over his shoulder into the alcove, "I'll catch up with you at the lodge in the morning - you get him off to the Witch to fix him up tonight. The Delay spell I used will only be effective till morning - so she'll need to clear his system by then. Heck, when they said 'body recovery' I figured they were talking about dead ones!" This last comment was made as the dwarf turned to the outer room. Behind him, one of the standing figures begins spell casting and the small group disappear, leaving the booth empty again. "Righty! My good man! Another 'Landing Fee' on my bill, and I'll have the best meal in the house! And a gallon of Ale! - no strike that, a gallon of what she's having", pointing at Talia Hammer's tankard of mead, "just in not so lady like a serving size! HA!" Catching sight of the lady in the middle of the room he addresses her "Tish! What in the world are you doing slumming in this part of town? And up so early, it's not even dark yet is it? Girl, some people think you are an undead! Got room at your table for an old Dwarf?" Noticing the halflings behind the dark haired human he continues in a smooth flow, "or no, I think I'll need my own table tonight, so that I can enjoy the fabled hospitality of Righty! Roaring fires, mead, ripe meat off the bone. This, my friends, is the establishment of my good friend, Righty!" he proceeds to any table Righty directs him to, to settle in for a serious meal (which includes at least a gallon of amber liquid).
Then consider the ability to have table variance and the player should consider his mileage may vary. For what it's worth, I'm not using reskin rules. I'm making it clear that being a tankard doesn't get him discounts (like MW tankard is +50 gp and weapons are +300 gp.)If you bought a +1 adamantine light mace and wanted to call it a tankard, I'd say "sure".Doing with would go against the campaign's no reskinning rules. But... a Masterwork Tankard would not have a bonus "to hit" when used as a weapon, any more than a Masterwork Lute would have a bonus "to hit" when we bash something with it. The Lute would be good for playing music (+1 on Perform Strings), not on bashing people (gives new meaning to the term "clubbing" though...) A Masterwork Tankard would have a bonus to ... ah... drinking? maybe even keeping a beverage cold/hot, preventing spillage, ease of carry... that sort of thing? I mean, we don't give someone a bonus to Perform Percussion if they use a masterwork greatsword...
If you bought a +1 adamantine light mace and wanted to call it a tankard, I'd say "sure".Doing with would go against the campaign's no reskinning rules. which just begs the question... if you smack something with a NON-weapon adamantine tankard, does it get by hardness less than 20?
In Giamo's french/italian accent, "I am Giamo Casanunda, Cleric of the god of Love - Cayden. My card (hand out business cards). Tell me, are you currently in a long term relationship? No? Would you like to be?" I normally get stammers and blushes. Giamo goes on to say "I am a Matchmaker by profession you see, it is my 'day job' (finger quotes) - so if you might be interested in such a relationship, perhaps we might discuss some of my other clients?" By this time the judge will have noticed my In Character speach.... So at this point I switch to my OOC voice and say ... "Role Play often suffers due to time constraints, and we only have a limited time for this tonight so..." Back in character voice "Sigh... It appears that we have got to save the world again now, perhaps after that we'll find your one true love, yes?"
a couple of my characters have Ioun stones that I have then had continual flame cast on - so they look like an Ioun Torch - but are actually another stone with the spell acting as "Disinformation". I actually had an old thread about concealing Ioun stones... Here..
OMG! How did I miss that! Not only an errata - but a major STEALTH ERRATA!
In Giamo's french/italian accent, "I am Giamo Casanunda, Cleric of the god of Love - Cayden. My card (hand out business cards). Tell me, are you currently in a long term relationship? No? Would you like to be?" I normally get stammers and blushes. Giamo goes on to say "I am a Matchmaker by profession you see, it is my 'day job' (finger quotes) - so if you might be interested in such a relationship, perhaps we might discuss some of my other clients?" At this point I switch to my OOC voice and say ... "Role Play often suffers due to time constraints, and we only have a limited time for this tonight so..." Back in character voice "Sigh... It appears that we have got to save the world again now, perhaps after that we'll find your one true love, yes?" Giamo Casanunda "Matchmaker"
Disguise self is more than enough to make the wayfinder look like another item. duration is often to short... but pull out a Hat of Disguise and that should cover it (YMMV).
Role Playing is where you make it... make time for it. It doesn't have to be hours of talking in funny voices... though they often help distinguish OOC from IC statements. It fits easily into the little spaces between game mechanics - if you try. For example, during introductions at the start of a game, I will, in a faux French accent, ask each other PC (often starting with any young ladies at the table) "Are you currently involved in a long term relationship?" I normally get stammers and blushes. In my PC voice I go on to say "I am a Matchmaker by profession you see, it is my 'day job' (finger quotes) - so if you might be interested in such a relationship, perhaps we might discuss some of my other clients? My card - " and I hand out a business card. At this point I switch to my OOC voice and say ... "Role Play often suffers due to time constraints, and we only have a limited time for this tonight so..." Glance back at the judge who is about ready to start at this point and back in character voice "Sigh... It appears that we have got to save the world again now, perhaps after that we'll find your one true love, yes?"
What if my character wants to claim...Claim is the important part of this. You can claim whatever you want. Bluff/Disguise/etc are all there for you to simluate something you are not. Reskinning (or refluffing) is generally when someone actually wants to be something they are not permitted to be. Saying you have dwarven blood or ancestry is fine, but you are not a half-dwarf and no one would/should ever construe that based on your descriptions. sounds like fun, but you might want to review the thread on deceptive characters...
Here's another form of "re-skinning" that I have used in the past... My PCs often pick up a Hat of Disguise to take advantage of the "Shot at the squishy" tactic some monsters will use - so my Armored Brick looks like a Wizard (pointy hat and all) or my Wizard often looks like a Dwarven Brick. Good Judges (or good ones in my biased opinion) pay attention to this. Poor Judges just never seem to notice (always seem to just know the poor AC PCs). I've even had a PC with two Hats, so that he could loan one out to another PC and then we'd switch figures. One judge got a bit offended by this though, as he missed the fact that we had swapped appearances (and figures) and what looked like a wizard was really the AC 26 Dwarven Cleric...
14th level Cleric here... I have basicly two skills.. Perception (where I can out-do most any PC of my level) and ... a bit of Diplomacy, a rank in Profession Matchmaker... And one in Kn Religion (class skill gives me a"2" in it) Only two skill points a level (and one of those is the Favored Class Bonus). Yeah - skills are not my suit. But I haven't really found the lack - I normally leave all that to my fellow pathfinders. But then, that's their 15 minutes of fame, and who am I to deprive them of that? We all get our enjoyment differently - and that makes this a wonderful game right?
Hrothdane - your story caused me to remember something I often do during introductions at the table... During introductions at the start of a game, I will, in a faux French accent, ask each other PC (often starting with any young ladies at the table) "Are you currently involved in a long term relationship?" I normally get stammers and blushes. my PC goes on to say "I am a Matchmaker by profession you see, it is my 'day job' (finger quotes) - so if you might be interested in such a relationship, perhaps we might discuss some of my other clients? My card - " and I hand out a business card. At this point I switch to my OOC voice and say ... "Role Play often suffers due to time constraints, and we only have a limited time for this tonight so..." Back in character voice "Sigh... It appears that we have got to save the world again now, perhaps after that we'll find your one true love, yes?"
But some of us actually do do the teleport thing (Dim Hop actually), but I am more likely to offer the BBE a beer than attack. OH! and ask "Tell me, are you currently involved in a long term relationship? Would you like to be?"
I distinctly remember causing so much damage while gm'ing a 3rd season 7-11 that two dedicated healers had to work their butts off to keep the frontline from dying. 14th level Cleric here... I have basicly two skills.. Perception (where I can out-do most any PC of my level) and ... a bit of Diplomacy. Only two skill points a level (and one of those is the Favored Class Bonus). Yeah - skills are not my suit. But I haven't really found the lack - I normally leave all that to my fellow pathfinders. But then, that's their 15 minutes of fame, and who am I to deprive them of that? We all get our enjoyment differently - and that makes this a wonderful game right?
Doing something that the rest of the table has asked you to stop doing is the very definition of "being a jerk".That definition could be applied to any character that destroys encounters before the rest of the group can contribute. Should I tell optimized archers they are being jerks? How many cold iron/blanched arrows per round should I restrict them too before they cross the line? Before doing this tactic in EotT we discussed it with the judge. He seemed to be fine with it. It was only after the first two scenarios that he started to look for things like penilities for "fighting/breathing in smoke" or "prolonged exposure to smoke" - so we asked him why he was looking for something bad to effect us (realizing that we were countering with Airbubble spells and that sort of thing)... it was turning the game into the judge presenting issues and us finding counters - when all he wanted was for us to stop doing something. So we stopped.
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