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Our campaigns never make it to 20th level, so the capstones aren't of much interest to our group. The exemplar traits are really cool, but I was expecting something that leveled with experience rather than the number of traits of a type a character had...still useful and fun. The prestige class feats are really cool, though I will have to search to find the PRC's they compliment.
I think my favorite part of this book is the Magic Trick feats, though. Weaponizing the Daylight spell is something I have ALWAYS wanted. This gets that started in a big way!
It is all fun stuff, even if I may not use it all so thanks to everyone who contributed as this is a really nice farewell to classic Pathfinder!

Traits that grow with the character: so eager to see that!

Is the legacy idea of magic items growing with the character from Unchained?

UnArcaneElection wrote:

What I'd like to see for FCB for prestige classes: Pick a base class for which you already are receiving FCB. The prestige class gives you the option to continue progression of that FCB.

That would particularly make sense for PrCs that are already flavored to a particular race, like the Lantern Bearers (for elves), Skyseekers (for dwarves) or perhaps Bellflower Tillers (for halflings).

Bardess wrote:

I hope there will be options to continue advancing class features when taking a prestige class! A Brewkeeper with bardic performance would ROCK!

I definitely would like to see some PrCs that progress bardic inspiration, domains, channel energy, wild shape, wizard's school abilities, bloodline powers, etc.

There are a few that do some of that...Path of the Righteous was an awesome PC. Still one of my faves. The Dawnflower Anchorite is so cool and gives options like that.

I understand Legato of the Infernal Bargain works like Planar Ally. My point being said Bard uses that masterpiece to call a planar ally and makes the deal to guard an area for a specified amount of time. The called planar ally can fully expect the effect to end the next time the bard uses one of their other performances thus ending the effect of the Legato of the Infernal Bargain. I'd love any one try to argue this is what the developers had in mind when the Performance is a Masterpiece is a Performance is their belief.

A Masterpiece is only a performance when it is maintained.

The Masterpiece is merely the method used to make the deal. The deal is still in effect and cannot be nullified simply because you started another Performance. So, no. It cannot be terminated simply because you start another Performance.

Not keen on Mythic, but the Beastspeakers and Sphinx, Phoenix, Medusa bloodlines are things I am looking forward to...thanks for the update!
Now for the waiting game...sigh.

Thank you!

I would rather have Lastwall, Mendev, 5 Kings, Kyonin, Galt, Brevoy, and lots of Garund.
Hope those who are interested in Druma enjoy it, though.

I'm afraid we can't do that, Dave.

...this reference admittedly works way better for Starfinder stuff. ^_^

How dare you bring up that evil stepchild in a Pathfinder thread!

;P

YES!!!! I love the various Pathfinder Chronicles in game literature with skill bonuses. To have a Player Companion named for it and including 'lost' or 'recently discovered' new items/magic?

PRICELESS!

Gimme NOW!

Please?!

There are some places minds should not go...this might be one of them.

I have it! I have just scanned through the book and my first impression is...
This book is VERY specific: Ganzi, Aphorite, Shabti, Duskwalker get some quite interesting options.
Just know that there is very little in here for core races.
That can be good for some, bad for others.

For instance, the really cool Nosoi Buddy feat? Exclusive to Duskwalkers.

Fourshadow wrote:

In addition, when you get this at 3rd level, it does 2d8 (1d8/2 caster levels) to a target. If undead, it does 3d6 (1d6/caster level) and those undead vulnerable to bright light 3d8 (1d8/caster level). It will get to 5d8, 10d6, 10d8. As the only character to get this as a 1st level spell, sounds better than Magic Missile to me. Intensified, it would be a 2nd level spell. Nice.

Nope. Searing Light is 1d8/2 levels, which means you don't get that second die until level 4. Remember to round down.

/cevah

But it's a 1st level spell...that you're getting at 3rd level. Shouldn't that bump it? Or that would only be for undead? Hmmmm....

WHHHHHAAAAAAAT?! YES! Absolutely awesome! My favorite site on the 'net is not going away and is in fact Pathfinder's (well, Starfinder too, but I'm not interested) official RD!

Congrats to Blake and all who assist him with AON!

AON/Blake, you do intend to keep all classic Pathfinder content available when 2nd ed PF kicks off, correct? It's so rich in flavor and options that I will not be making the switch. Love classic Pathfinder.

Psychopomps?! Cool. Perhaps I shall take a look at this when it hits the shelf...well, next year.

I have a question about the Psammokinetic:

This is now my 2nd favorite Kineticist archetype (Elysiokineticist is my 1st). Nice work.

Already love the Samurai and Kineticist archetypes...at least the overall flavor and impression.
Psyched for the Masterpieces, too. Very intriguing. Cannot wait to read these myself!
Thanks again!

What! MORE Masterpieces?! Lovely! That Kineticist archetype is especially intriguing to me.

Any chance of a few more details on those I mentioned?

Thank you!

Psammite is a reference to sandstone, so I take it this is Earth related? Cool, my 2nd fave element after Wood.

Fourshadow wrote:

Isabelle Lee wrote:

Robert Brookes wrote:

That said, as I'm seeing the full product now, I am legitimately surprised there's not a single archetype or new base form for summoner!

A little odd, I'll grant. There's a new feat that should open up some new opportunities, though. ^_^

The feats in general are quite good. Conduit feats are especially cool. Having a connection to a plane regardless of what plane you are on looks fun.

I did especially like that their use grew with you as you leveled. Very cool!

Indeed! No feat tree, just a skill requirement and the feat gets better as your character does.

Robert Brookes wrote:

That said, as I'm seeing the full product now, I am legitimately surprised there's not a single archetype or new base form for summoner!

A little odd, I'll grant. There's a new feat that should open up some new opportunities, though. ^_^

The feats in general are quite good. Conduit feats are especially cool. Having a connection to a plane regardless of what plane you are on looks fun.

^^ This Lovecraft mythos makes sense considering a lot of the creatures have been aberrations, IIRC....

Still reading through it, but so far this book is rock solid. Some of the Conduit feats could probably have used a bit of buffing, but otherwise it looks pretty good.

Really? I thought they were a bit strong with only one feat and skills required. Not complaining though. May use Heavenly Light on my fave character.

What is this Lantern Archon Style I have seen mentioned...really curious about that one. Those are my fave archons and would really like to see if their fighting style is based on rays. That would be very cool.

Edit: Lantern Light? Lantern Glare? Such cool sounding feats to someone whose fave spells are things like Searing Light and Daybreak Arrow...Burst of Radiance...

Fourshadow wrote:

David knott 242 wrote:

I think that the feat that will be most discussed after more people have the PDF is one with a single deceptively simple prerequisite:

"Human"

Might that be....** spoiler omitted **

Oh yes, human options REALLY opened up with that one! Thank you to whomever spawned it!

You're welcome! ^_^

Ha! I did think of you when I wrote that...I wondered if it might be your work. I guess I 'wondered' correctly!

Thanks again!

I think that the feat that will be most discussed after more people have the PDF is one with a single deceptively simple prerequisite:

"Human"

Might that be....

Oh yes, human options REALLY opened up with that one! Thank you to whomever spawned it!

Wow! To think: I was considering cancelling my RPG subscription. That would have been a big mistake. Oh, did I mention I got my PDF?!

Absolutely love 2 of the archetypes:
Gloom blade (fighter)

Soul Warden (spiritualist)

If there ever is Capoeira, it should be open to Bards, IMO.

Fourshadow wrote:

Never had an issue with it.

Ah, the good old "all my personal experiences are universal" chestnut.

I notice you omitted the "IMO". I was very clear that it was my opinion and that I was not speaking for everyone. Read the entire message before reacting.

Fourshadow wrote:

As I feared: A fix that really was not necessary. Not to mention it appears to add complexity to a rather simple Skill system.

It wasn't broken. Didn't need to be fixed.

It really really was broken. The disparity in numbers were so insane that it is impossible to create a proper DC scale.

Never had an issue with it. So, IMO, not broken. Now, again IMO, it is more complex. Trying to give it a chance, but it doesn't look like 2.0 is for me.

As I feared: A fix that really was not necessary. Not to mention it appears to add complexity to a rather simple Skill system.
It wasn't broken. Didn't need to be fixed.

New Bows, folks!

WormysQueue wrote:

Graelsis wrote:

It's too late to ask for us gobs as a basic playable race???? WE WANT TO BE FRIENDS, WE REALLY DOOO!!!!

Well good news, then. Your kind got the promotion to become a playable COre race, of all things. :)

Apparently, they're even taking Damiel's job.

Wow, boo on that. I've kind of gotten attached to the iconics.

Ellias Aubec wrote:

Per the four spells lists they mentioned, I have a feeling they might be something like divine/arcane/nature/alchemical with the different classes just only taking spells from that list up to a certain level (ie paladins only taking up to lvl 4 spells from the divine list). That might mean some loss of uniqueness of lists, but would make it much easier for adding new classes so that spells added later don't need a thousand and one exceptions to tell you which casters can now use that spell.

So....Bard casts Fireball and Lightning Bolt

Heavy Metal Bard

I much prefer Pathfinder's current Bard spell list. Most Bardic feel to it than any previous edition. Absolutely love it. Now it appears the Bard won't have it's own spell list. That seems backward because the Bard did not have it's own until 3.0, IIRC.

Two of my sons have been here since I arrived home yesterday with the terrible (yes "terrible" news, because it is for us). None are excited for the change. Despite being assured Paizo is not competing with WoTC, the limited info still smacks (very heavily) of 5E.
So, it is likely that my family discontinues purchase of Paizo products as soon as the conversion happens. With raising 5 boys, you could have had generations of customers just from my family. Oh what could have been...

Wow. I don't think Paizo gets the depth of betrayal some of us may feel at this point. Hyperbole, some of you may view that last sentence, I am certain. Yes, we have yet to see what the changes may be. However, the way you have worded them gives us pause. If we wanted simple, we would not be playing Pathfinder. Avid gamers are not necessarily looking for simplicity. We want depth.
I dumped my original love (D&D). 4.0 was the last straw. For about 3 years or so, I did not purchase another RPG book. I kept my 3.5 and taught my sons (5) how to play. Then, at the insistence of a friend who played (and gifted my boys with their 1st miniatures), I checked out Pathfinder. We all fell head over heels for it. I have spent countless dollars (including subscribing for over 2 years now) on your products since. We love the diversity and possibility in 39+ character classes and all the archetypes.
It is a sad day to hear that all those books will now be, it appears to me, irrelevant. Perhaps I am wrong, but it appears that Paizo is now doing exactly what WoTC was guilty of: rebooting for the sake of sales.
I hope I am wrong, but if things are changing as drastically as they sound, Paizo and my family may be parting ways. Perhaps it is for the best. We own enough product to continue our games. Sad though that it will no longer be supported with new material.
We shall see.

The answer is: It doesn't. It declares the hornbow as 'Exotic' and the rest of the information in question doesn't change it. That information applies to feats relating to bows, not proficiency.

Feros wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

What powers does the redkind have? Alignment?

** spoiler omitted **

I still don't have my copy of this one, but I am so very happy to hear that the ** spoiler omitted ** survived the editing process.

Ha! Love it. Fey are some of my Fa(y-)ves because they can be this silly and interesting!

We're still on RotR as we play infrequently. Been playing for over a year (perhaps 2?) and we just finished the 4th installation.
I started with Harsk, but abandoned him for Lem when my son (who owns the game) opted for another character. Bard is my fave class in PF, so I was really excited to pick him up. Divine spells are an option?! I can recharge cards to give allies a 1d4+? bonus on checks of any kind?! Love it! Holy Light has saved the day several times in our games. My favorite spell in the game, at the moment.

And as of the printing of PC: Disciple's Doctrine, we have two new Masterpieces.
One is really cool but suffers from the same issue as Vindictive Soliloquy--a performance time of 5 rounds. This might be acceptable IF Inspire Courage could be maintained simultaneously. The name of it is Kaminari Drums and it casts a Flamestrike that is half electricity and half completely untyped and cannot be resisted.
The other one is even better (in part due to a 1 round performance time): Spirit of the Horse casts Greater Magic Fang on animal companions and mounts!

^ Exactly what I fear has been happening ever since they announced Starfinder. Not a fan. It appears PF has suffered in some ways ever since. Like it's become the stepchild or something. Ugh.

Benjamin Medrano wrote:

As an aside, Isabelle? Do you mind if I ask if you were involved in writing the Skirmisher Fighter Archetype, or the Flamewarden or Stormwalker Ranger Archetypes? Because I have to say, of the character options to come out of this book they are my absolute favorites.

There are a ton of rules that I like, too, but those are standouts for me.

I wasn't, I'm afraid. ^_^ My only contributions were the cavalier archetypes (green knight and saurian champion) and the following feats:

** spoiler omitted **

I absolutely LOVE the Beastmaster style feats and Totemic as well! Thank you for these.

Probably to cover the statements in the specific Forms available...like the Deinonychus whose front claws do NOT qualify for the Shifter claw effect, but the main talons do.

Hey! They're making an appearance in the Player Companion line! Awesome. Looking forward to it.

DeciusNero wrote:

Hm,what does undeath sense do?

Someone else mentioned it upthread, but it's a potion-able version of Detect Undead I believe.

Yep. Phase Step and Clay Skin, Glimpse the Hidden...really like these! For a player who generally avoids depending on poison, there is a lot in here to like! Alchemical items and potions my Investigator (Lamplighter--which loses Poison abilities) can really use. Tinctures? Really cool.

This book is full of really good archetypes (IMO), but one that stands out to me and has not been mentioned is for the Investigator: The Star Watcher, which trades rapier proficiency for Starknife and alters Alchemy from extracts to star charts--including being given the Scribe Scroll feat. Talents are included for choices that include applying your Studied Combat, etc. to the Starknife, even while thrown. Returning is even a choice! Really cool.

I think this PC was overlooked by many due to UW coming out. There is some really good stuff in here!

Don't know the answer to #1, but the answer to #2 is yes. Any time it says a feature is replaced, then only that text applies. No mention of extracts means no extracts. Fetters instead.

I like Wisdom! Wisdom good!

It boosts my Will saves and my Perception!

Which is often a weak save for martial characters...including the Shifter. So, you now have more incentive to fix it when you create your character. Not only do Will Saves get a boost, but your AC does, too. And you already get 4 skill points per level, so you may not need as high an Int score.

They did say all Changlings are female, they did not address what Changling's children might be, though--IIRC.