And you're absolutely right, are you going to organize a campaign to get Ralph Nader or Mike Gravel to run again? :-)
I voted for Nader in 2000. I respect his positions, and I have a soft spot for the underdog. I detest the fannish worship both of the proponents of the mainstream parties seem to offer. Voting party lines for an inferior candidate to punish another party is stupid. I vote the person, not the party. If I was going Democrat I'd probably lean towards Gravel. Although I have reservations about some of his stances, he seems more committed and real than many other Dems.
And as for Dr. Pauls religious stance? It is a personal choice, not one he is actively trying to legislate, unlike some of his contemporaries. So, would I vote for someone who honestly believes these things, yet has time and again said that his beliefs aren't going to be part of his legislative agenda, rather than either someone on the Right who is totally committed to doing just that or the current president who spent 20 years in a pretty radical Christian congregation? Yeah, I'll do that.
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Well, despite the meme that Libertarians want to become slaves of the corporations, I detest most of the multinats. Especially Monsanto, the Great Food Satan. They make reams of laws in collusion with the government, so that if needs be they can beggar anyone without a legal team on retainer. And we let them in the name of 'safety'. The roadblocks to getting any business started today are staggering. And the petty bureaucrats get their pound of flesh at every turn. And Krishna forbid you piss one of them off, then the building/heatlh/Environment inspector comes out to make your life suck.
As you said earlier, workers will organize, as they are starting to do in China. You can't infuse a population with prosperity and expect them to remain compliant forever. I'm certain there will be a Tianamen II eventually, despite the draconian efforts of the CCP. India is rapidly becoming a nation to contend with. Even Brazil is beginning to become a force in the Southern Hemisphere.
I'm sure the Mexican border cities (one of which I saw and travelled through first hand whilst stationed near it.) would love it more if the government wasn't in the pocket of the drug cartels, thus allowing the many people there to become prey to whatever twisted crap goes on. Or the many folks in the colonias of Ciudad Juarez who are looking to just make enough to raise a family, or maybe duck over the Rio Grande to somewhere where they might have a chance of living under the rule of law, rather than the sad mess that they suffer under. I helped build a family a house there. I saw how they live. But you know what? They were trying to improve their life as best they could. as do we all.
So what to do? Keep pumping up a president who appoints Monsanto and other corporate stooges to his 'Czar' positions? Vote for a bible-thumping dominionist who focuses on social issues while Foggybottom goes broke?
Or maybe, just maybe, vote for someone that both parties seem to want to vilify. Someone the media on both sides is ignoring. Someone who has been a lone voice in the wilderness for 20 years, trying to show how the government in collusion with these massive multinationals and the lawyers are stealing the treasury dry.
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
La Mordida (previous spelling mistake mine: Lo siento, I do not speak much Spanish.) directly translates as 'the bite'. It is slang for 'bribe' and is customarily used to denote the lovely Latin custom of having to pay off every government (or anyone really) official to actually do their job. Those who can pay, get services. Those who can't, don't get services. As far as I know, this operates under every type of government tried there.
As for the maquiladoras, I'm sure the folks working there are happy they have that job, considering their other options. Of course, it drains jobs that US workers could do (at ten times the cost), but try and erect some trade barriers against that. We can't even keep the border shut from illegal immigration or drugs. Make them maquiladoras illegal and they'll just move deeper into Mexico and make a whole new black market.
Has there been a Communist government big on democracy and freedoms? Just curious. How about a Communist country that people have clamored to immigrate to? Illegally? How about a Communist country that allows its citizens to emigrate if they wish?
And, believe it or not, I agree with GentleGiant. No true 'ism' ever works. Pure Libertarianism is just as pie-in-the-sky as Das Capital (and a kissing cousin IMO. The State withering away..Lulz aplenty). The crux of the discussion is just how much of Ism A, how much of Ism B. Does a strong Federal system work better than a more loose-union-of-states system? I dunno, ask the EU right about now.
Strong federal government works for certain things. Infrastructure. Defense. Long term investments like space exploration. It seems to do a poor job of fiscal policy, mayhap because it's always Someone Else's Money. It's easy to spend when it isn't yours. And pork = votes. At least it did, hopefully that paradigm is changing a bit.
With globalization it's all too easy to shuttle jobs around to where they're cheapest (as with maquiladoras). The plus side is that the wages may seem poor to Westerners, but to the poor shmuck used to working a rice paddy or a sugarcane field it looks like heaven come to earth.
The scut jobs will fly around the globe: China, India, Vietnam. Then maybe some of the more stable SubSaharan African nations or some of the North African nations undergoing Arab Springs next as the last group of nations' workers begin to prosper and demand higher wages. As long as transport is cheap. LCD* will always win. Heck, I just read that workers in China debone salmon caught in the North Sea which are then sent to America. Imagine that, it's cheaper to hire someone to fillet a fish thousands of miles away from its origin and it then hits markets thousands of miles from there before going bad.
Also, the genie is out of the bottle. Protectionism is unworkable. Read a little history about the last time during a fiscal crisis we decided to put big tarrifs up to save 'American jobs'. We didn't have a trading partner holding 900 billion on us then either. China they can use that leverage to scuttle any protectionist legislature we try.
*LCD- Lowest Common Denominator.
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Which will lead to their workers making more money, thus demanding a higher standard of living, raising another group of people up from oppression .
Yay for capitalism indeed!
Benicio Del Espada wrote:
China totally subsidizes their solar industry.
And their currency ...
And their companies ...
And just about anything else except labor unions and worker rights...
Yay for Communism!
Let's start a trade war and block their imports!
...Oh yeah. They hold $900 BILLION in our T bills.
Guess what? That means we can't do S$+$ to them. And that is the fault of BOTH parties spending like drunken sailors on leave.
Ergo, we need some fiscal sanity before we have to give them Alaska in trade.
Enter ... Dr. Paul ;)
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Man, must be getting so close to Fall with all the strawmen popping up .....
Don't federally subsidize an industry you can't compete in then. Or did the fact the Chinese can undercut us somehow escape notice when they were handing out pallets of cash?
Yeah, infrastructure spending. Falling right into the pockets of heavy Dem supporters. Nice.
I am evil, you know ;)
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Get your hands off my ya yas you damn dirty human!
Jesus posts here? Does he play D&D? Jack Chick is gonna be PISSED.
Yeah, he's the ultimate Rules lawyer.
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Hangs up phone and swigs beer
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