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Guardians are heavily armored warriors who can Taunt? Well, I guess I'd better brush up on my outrageous French accent.


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Kittyburger wrote:
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Just because a god isn't killed as a result of the War of Immortals doesn't mean they won't be affected by it in some way...

The foreshadowed disruption to the Prismatic Ray could very easily occur simply due to character development, rather than character termination.

Maybe Arshea joins them and the divine polycule gets both more queer and more awesome.

I was thinking Mahja Firehair. Though Arshea would be awesome, and nothing says that both can't join...


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And now my watch has ended.


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This is delightful! Thank you, Collette and Ilina!


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Kobold Catgirl wrote:
For what it's worth, I never really saw gluttony as being purely about food. There's nothing wrong with enjoying food. It's about excess and hedonism at the expense of others' basic needs. Urgathoa is absolutely a goddess of hedonism. The Dead don't need to eat, they just like to--and they sure don't need to eat people. And I'm positive there's other forms of selfish hedonism in her repertoire.

I think you're right. The Urgathoa prophecy called out the undead for eating and drinking so quickly that they barely tasted anything.


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Hope my watch will end today, but so far not even authorized...

The office opened roughly 45 minutes ago local time from when I post this. It will be open for 9 hours. There is still hope!


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I'd be shocked if it wasn't ORC. Three of the four main Remaster books are out and the APs going forward will be ORC. Also, I don't think it was pushed back so far just to make room for the Remaster books. I think some things had to be reworked.


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First: Erin, thank you for another brilliant installment!

Second: I wonder when Yivali will realize why these are called "the Godsrain Prophecies."

Third: it's interesting that we technically didn't get a death with this one.

Fourth: we kind of got a two-fer, though. We saw what might happen to mortals if Shelyn died. That's appropriate for the twins. And the development had beforehand is evocative of Zon-Shelyn. Shelyn taking up aspects of her... technically not her brother, but at least he had some feeling for her.

Fifth: I think that the prophey's intent might be starting to work on Yivali. Assuming that she's right about the prophet hating divinity, then inspiring pity might also get the readers to see them as something less inspiring. That has implications for the prophet's identity, which might help us figure out who buys it.

Sixth: and we can officially ditch the alignment theory. It really is anybody's game now.


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And now my watch has ended.


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Some posters have floated an alignment theory: we'll get a prophecy for one god of each alignment, with either LG or N getting two. I know that alignment isn't a thing anymore, at least technically, but this has been in the planning stages since before the Remaster. Therefore, this would serve as a last nod to that system.

We have gotten two N deities (Pharasma and Nethys), one LE (Asmodeus), one CG (Cayden Cailean), one NE (Urgathoa), and one LG (Erastil). There are four spots left, and four alignments: NG, LN, CN, and CE. If the pattern holds, then we can expect prophecies for a combination of (Sarenrae/Shelyn), (Abadar/Irori), (Calistria/Gorum), and (Lamashtu/Rovagug). Also, if the theory is correct and the pattern holds, this means that Desna, Gozreh, Iomedae, Norgorber, Torag, and Zon-Kuthon are on the chopping block.

If these choices are correct...

Sarenrae/Shelyn: I lean Shelyn for prophecy and Sarenrae for chopping block. Watching the gods deal with the death of the only god that they all love (in their own ways) is juicy, and it would have a huge impact on Z-K. We were told that the Prismatic Ray prophecy would give us some hints, and I think that's what they involve.

Abadar/Irori: Irori for prophecy, Abadar for chopping block. Irori hasn't gotten a lot of coverage, so a (false?) prophecy of his death might be a good place to start. Besides, Souls at War gave a good list of reasons for Abadar to be on the block. I didn't even register the 1929 one.

Calistria/Gorum: This is the one I'm least certain about. I lean Gorum for prophecy, Calistria for chopping block. We could get something deeply cool out of a Gorum prophecy, and Calistria was instrumental in stopping a possible war already.

Lamashtu/Rovagug: Believe it or not, Rovagug for prophecy and Lamashtu for chopping block. I know how I'd write a prophecy of Rovagug's death and I'd love to see if something like that shows up in print. Also, Lamashtu was Nualia's patron deity. You know, the first AP issue's main villain. Killing her would have an impact, and there would be repercussions for Varisia.


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keftiu wrote:
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Bluemagetim wrote:
My thought is more along the lines of something like calling an airship an airplane. Airplane takes me out of the fantasy where as airship keeps the fantasy vibes for me.
Why is a technology that was invented in the late 1800s more 'fantasy' than one invented in 1903? What does the distinction matter when this setting has irradiated cyborgs in one corner of it, too?

For me it's because airships, now, are "a more elegant [aircraft] for a more civilized age" while airplanes are the mildly inconvenient people-cans we stuff ourselves into for several hours to get to a business meeting.

Romanticism vs. familiarity and vaguely uncomfortable memories.

I'm forced to reckon with the fact that not everyone has flown on a blimp before. My childhood was weird!

That must have been fun! It's worth pointing out that planes weren't always like that. The differences in the classes weren't always so stark.


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James Case wrote:

I call these “Faire Princess Tiffany”s because Tiffany is a name that tends to sound modern—Audrey Hepburn and department stores and all that—but it’s actually just the English version of the name “Theophania”. My favorite Faire Princess Tiffany is the vending machine, which has been around since Ancient Rome.

In any event, Goka’s meant to be the most cosmopolitan and metropolitan location on the continent, and I love how Michelle (and Shao Han, the section author) have really made the advances and cultural crossovers front and center!

As to whether Alley Bashers is like Street Fighter, hmm… it seems to have lateral movement as a part of the strategy… so maybe more like Gokan magitech Tekken (Magitekken)?

Huh. I knew about a few Roman FPTs, but not that one. You learn something new every day!

ETA: They had apartments, food carts, and famous athletes would endorse products. Oh, and they also discovered steam power but couldn't figure out how to use it.


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Huzzah! My thanks to all involved!


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Firstly, this is absolutely delightful. Thank you so much, Michelle and Sandra!

Secondly, I now have this image of Mogaru fighting a bunch of G-Pop Stans. Spoiler alert: it doesn't look good for His Majesty.


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Charlie Brooks wrote:
That title, though.

Someone was inspired by Songbird, Scion, Saboteur. That is wonderful!


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Oceanshieldwolf wrote:
I wouldn’t congratulate anyone winding up at WotC.

Pro: better pay, higher profile company.

Con: being a new hire at a company whose job security is... lacking.


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It was good to see some of those names again, and find out about how they've progressed since we last checked in on them. (Mawwiage!) I like how some plot threads were hinted at in the guide. And who was the trailer's VA?


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And now my watch begins.


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I have a soft spot for Erastil so I'm glad he's safe! I really loved the bit about The Hunters and them coming across others like them who were similarly victimized by their deities getting eaten and giving them a sense of community.

But also cracking up at the image of Sarenrae and Zon-Kuthon forming a defense pact together. I'm trying to picture it and my brain just scrambles itself lol.

Call their pantheon the Solar Eclipse.
A total eclipse of the heart?

Every now and then it falls apart.


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This is delightful! Thanks so much, Simone!


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Themetricsystem wrote:

An Abadar Prophesy would go SOO hard in communicating just how fundamental he is to literally every government and business on the planet (not to mention whatever extraterrestrial life which knows of and has a cultural place for him).

His death would unfurl consequences powers of magnitude greater than every real-life economic collapse in known history.

Of all the gods I remember, Asmodeus is best positioned to take his portfolio. It makes sense. Things really go to Hell when the economy collapses.


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Anorak wrote:

Oooh! Greenwood Gala? A convention for primal-tradition powerbrokers and a festival associated with the Green Faith? Politics, power struggles, and unexpected betrayals? Remaster? RoE? How the Wild?

This sounds like the recent Hellfire Galas and I'm here for it! Woot!

It's not a Gala without The Looks. We need The Looks.

(And hopefully a happier ending than the most recent Gala)


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Urgathoa's death launches the Undead Apocalypse? That's poetic, as is her being the first dead god to get a posthumous last laugh.

We've been discussing fears in regards to these prophecies. Here, I think we see the fears of the god's enemies rather than the god herself. Pharasma could have destroyed Urgathoa early on had she chosen. The possibility raised here is a powerful reason for staying her hand.

Also, I love the bit about the undead eating and drinking so quickly they can barely taste anything. That's also poetic. As always, thank you Erin! This is great.


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This is absolutely delightful. Thank you so much, Connie and Ilina!


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James Jacobs wrote:
Misko wrote:

Super excited, hoping to see a certain red mothman and maybe a mention of the melfesh monster in addition to the sandpoint devil in the image above.

I live 15 minutes from Point Pleasant and have to drive through Flatwoods semi-often, so having cryptids from home being in my favorite game was always really fun

The Melfesh Monster's too far away from Sandpoint and this adventure to show up.

I will not make the same claims for other cryptid-adjacent foes that are much more local to this specific town.

There's no fun in going to Sandpoint without meeting the Sandpoint Devil.


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TOZ wrote:
Bold to assume that Vanessa is incapable of working both.

IIRC, WotC has a strict noncompete clause in their contracts.


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There is greed and then there's this, and that is 100% a compliment. These might be my favourite new dragons so far. It's only natural that a greed themed dragon would cover themselves with parts of their hoard, even if it ruins those items. There's a moral lesson there.

As a side note: I think that a certain Underworld Dragon can't even think of this branch of the family without her blood pressure increasing to dangerous levels. Not because of envy, but because Fortune Dragons are just so gauche. There is an art to excess. If you understand that, you're Liberace. Otherwise you're just Donald Trump.


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This is fantastic! Thank you, Hiromi and Sammy!

CreepyShutIn wrote:

This was really interesting, though I'm not sure I understood everything that was going on. Was there a reason not to just ask for payment normally?

I do love the everyday magic, though. Exactly what I want to see. People in a world where magic is as natural as air should have little, everyday things they can do.

The vendor is a thief. Hide wasn't supposed to have noticed her pickpocketing. He might not have if she hadn't tipped her hand.


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Dustin Knight wrote:
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Norgorber does hoard lot of secrets, so would his death reveal all secrets he was withholding?

That's...a secret.

(A hero point for anyone who gets that reference.)

Dragon Slave!


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From the office of expectation management, the director is a specific NPC and is one of the few the PCs DON'T get to hire; she's the one that actually gets the plot started and it all goes from there.
I read that first as "it all goes down from there".

That too, probably. I'm sure that we will love it, but the characters won't.


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Garrett Guillotte wrote:
Wait, if it's just a flesh suit then does this mean the PCs can literally do the Scooby Doo thing and rip their face off at the end to reveal that it was Old Wyrm Jynxinz trying to scare everyone away from the old keep so he could sell it to the Lumber Consortium?
ZOINKS!

JINKIES!


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James Jacobs wrote:
H2Osw wrote:
Thank you for this. By bait and switch, I think of Extinction Curse where you think it's a circus related AP and it really isn't.

Ah; gotcha! That makes sense, and thank you for the example.

Curtain Call does not do a bait and switch. There's more story going on in this adventure path than "The PCs are hired to help produce an opera", but that is very much the main through line. A bit more in the spoiler for folks who don't want to know the pacing of how that goes out as far as the opera element is concerned:

** spoiler omitted **

*reads spoiler section*

*hype intensifies*


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TRDG wrote:

Will the Red Mantis be in here by chance?

Thanks

Tom

All signs point to no... because it will be printed in Prey For Death, the first Remastered adventure, where the PCs will play as Red Mantis Assassins forced to clear their names. The page just came up today, and James Jacobs confirmed that the archetype will be there.


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An AP that's explicitly a sequel to a previous AP is cool enough. An AP that could be a sequel to any AP? This is going to be interesting! I'm excited already!

And that's without it tying in to The Hints. I think I may know which one, and I'm already putting together how it may tie in to events down the line if I'm right.


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The last is the Conspirator dragon, which technically appears on the cover of Player Core 2. I say technically because it's really a polymorphed Seoni.


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At the moment, no. That being said... a few months back we got a bunch of hints about upcoming adventures and APs. One of them involved a spreading mass of tangled thorns. A bunch of thorns is called a briar. As in "Tanglebriar," potentially.


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Ascalaphus wrote:

In PF1 he was kinda the ultimate nasty. He set up a trap in the City of Golden Death module for Aroden (who wisely didn't go there). He got to kill Arazni because Aroden didn't want to face him. And eventually Aroden dies and who's the most likely suspect?

Then LO:Legends comes along and we have Jatembe, Baba Yaga and Sorshen all back and going kinda "shrug" about him. (That book has a bit of Elminster syndrome.)

Each case makes sense.

Jatembe spent the last few years imprisoned on Akiton. I doubt that he was around when Tar-Baphon broke loose and rebuilt his power. Jatembe isn't the type to charge in guns blazing unless he must. The Magaambya is reaching out to the rest of the world. I think he's building on that behind the scenes, and Tar-Baphon's going to run into some enemies he's not faced before when the time comes.

Baba Yaga could have divinity if she wanted it, but she sees it as a trap. Therefore, she thinks that anyone deliberately chasing it is a fool. Tar-Baphon could do what she did, conquering planets and playing on the level of divinity without being bound by those rules. He's even a lich, so he doesn't have to go to great lengths to prolong his life. But no, he has to chase after a false promise of power and turn himself into Urgathoa's lapdog to do it. (Don't think for a moment she guards his soul cage out of the goodness of her heart!)

Sorshen is probably watching the situation very carefully. If he takes Belkzen, he could very easily move on Eurythnia. Her army can't stand up to his. She could take him directly, but right now she couldn't put him down permanently. He doesn't have that problem in regards to her. She's probably ready for a fight in case he decides to pay a personal visit to Urgir, but she's not going to move against him otherwise until the inevitable alliance is ready to strike.


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LET'S SMURFING GO!

(The only way I could be more hyped is if the players can form Voltron in the climax)


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I'm just getting into PF2e and am wondering if more remastered sourcebooks will be announced or if I should just start picking through what's already been released? Thanks!
As far as we know, only the classes in Player Core 2 are still getting remastered. None of the other released classes which were in later books than the Core Rule Book and the Advanced Players Guide look like they'd need much remastering, anyway. I'm pretty sure that Paizo will be happier returning to their actually planned releases, which had to be pushed into 2024/2025 due to the Remaster and the whole OGN/ORC deal.

To expand upon this, there will be some errata as needed. There already is, in fact. Here it is.


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Thruneosaurus Rex? That is utterly ridiculous, and I cannot possibly convey how much I love it. A love that only increased with the art. Look at the little arms! Who's a giant adorable Hellspawn? You are! Yes, you are!


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Malikor wrote:

Is there, or will there be, a document or something that provides guidelines to use pre-Remastered creatures while we wait for Monster Core to be released?

I know that most of the creatures will play pretty much the same, but with the dropping of alignment and sanctification, holy and unholy, and the like, there are weaknesses and resistances that might come in play that fiddle with certain monsters, specifically those of The Outer Sphere.

Also, are such beings that are neither good or evil pre-remaster (such as aeons) which had weakness to chaos for example, going to have a different weakness to replace them, are they going to be susceptible to both? Or a stronger weakness toward what sort of material does more damage to them?

I love Pathfinder 2e. I think Paizo is a fantastic company. I am excited about many of the Remaster changes, and understand the felt need to rush out a de-OGL-ified edition (despite, as a non-lawyer, not understanding how the SRD being placed under Creative Commons didn't completely end those legal risks).

But to be honest it is shocking to me that the answer to this question is not being released concurrently with the Player Core book.

IMHO this is just one of a number of fundamental problems with staggering the release of the Remaster over a 9 month period. There are questions about how whole classes are meant to work now. In cases of post-APG classes, we don't even have an official line about whether (let alone when) they will get an Errata update to bring them in line with the Remaster rules!

Let's be honest: if WOTC had done this, people would be going wild.

About the SRD: technically, yes. However, WotC is a subsidiary of Hasbro, a multibillion dollar company. While they would eventually lose the case on its merits, Paizo would run out of money first.

As for the staggering, there isn't really a clear answer here. They got the ball rolling almost as soon as the shock wore off. The process was well underway by the time WotC/Hasbro was made to cave. They couldn't trust that they wouldn't pull anything any time soon. Remember the MtG/Pinkerton fiasco? That happened the same week Paizo announced the Remaster. They had to start publishing ASAP because the company could well have been at risk if they didn't. They had to divvy the necessities so that they could get things out quickly. That meant a cross-section of classes and spells (Player Core) and either monsters or new terminology, updated rules where applicable, and magic items. They decided that the latter were more important to running the game, so GM Core was the second book.

I understand the frustration. Believe me, I understand. I also understand why the situation has unfolded as it has, and where the blame lies. There aren't really any good answers here. It would be nice if we get a preview document in the next month or so (some traits, a couple Remastered monsters, a couple brand new monsters), but I don't expect one.


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Fair enough. It makes sense.

And as for the speculation: the #201 AP won't be directly related to War of Immortals. That said, this is going to be a huge Event. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we get something that's going to somehow be significant when the end of the year comes around.


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I choose to believe that the lack of a Skittermander option is because they're a lock for the CRB.


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Gisher wrote:
I thought the planet Golarion, including the nation of Numeria, was missing in the Starfinder setting. So how would a LO Numeria book work in Starfinder?

SF2 might facilitate an LO: Numeria book because of the tech. Covering Numeria requires tech. Items for sure, and possibly archetypes. It wouldn't do a thing lorewise, for the reasons you stated.

That said, it might be smarter to use a hypothetical LO: Numeria as a teaser for SF2. The prevalence of tech means that SF2 wouldn't need the archetypes, and Paizo has reprinted items before. Using the book to hint at what's coming wouldn't be a bad idea.


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I'd be surprised if it was Iomedae, given that she's Seelah's patron. That feels like an end-of-an-edition change. That said, replacing her with Arazni makes a sort of narrative sense given their history and their ties. If Iomedae sacrificed herself, I can see Arazni being moved to take up her cause. Sacrifice has moved her before.

ETA: And there are the changes to Champion to consider. Iomedae is the Champion goddess, but she represents one very particular type of Champion. Arazni is potentially much more flexible, which could fit how they'll soon be handled.


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Aenigma wrote:
Will there be a playtest for mythic rules?

We're more than a year out from release, which is unusual. Usually it's about a year from announcement to release. There's time, if they're able to take it.


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Look, I'm a simple man. I see a Hocus Pocus reference, and I'm happy.


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Thurston Hillman wrote:

Awesome feedback, thanks everyone!

The team is continuing to iterate on the class, and we've already come up with some interesting takes on it since this Field Test went to print. One thing that we're going to experiment more with is the inclusion of some Occult options. Just note, we only have so much space in our books, so shifting the Mystic to touch on Divine/Occult/Primal options means that there won't be as many connections available to explore these options at first—damn word counts and such! ;)

To be expected, good sir. Besides, it leaves room for options in supplementary material!


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Everything about this is fantastic. Great job, Rachael and Will!


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And now my watch has ended.

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