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I don't know anything about it, but my hope is that whoever is paying Archeon to manufacture & ship these figures is doing it this way to completely cut Ninja Division out of the money loop. Paying Archeon directly to manufacture & ship sounds like the way to go. Leave Ninja Division to fund the last scrap of responsibility the new agreement left for them.

I'm also hoping Ninja Division's logo will be reduced to a tiny blip on the back of the packs. If Archon's & Paizo's logos are the only ones on the front of the packaging, they would be a lot more palatable to buy at retail.

I'm not trying to be hateful here. It just pains me to see Ninja Division tarnishing Paizo's reputation. Awful companies hurt the industry and the gaming community, and I kinda like this community.

LOL so Ninja Division is still handling the shipping? 25 pages, 1200+ messages and Paizo has learned ZERO from the debacle.. Ninja Division should have been cut out of any new deal completely if you expect us to believe any of this as good news.

Ninja Division collected the money from backers for shipping. Since they obviously can't afford to pay the casters for these minis, the least they could do is take care of shipping. Come on, they have to take responsibility for something.

To be honest, I'm glad the owners of this doomed company are getting demoted to box packers. Maybe they'll fail at it, maybe they won't. Either way, let em sweat.

Glad to hear this. I'd never pay a dime for Starfinder minis from Ninja Division. I'll pick up a few from Archon, even though they're sketchy too. If WizKids ever comes out with unpainted Starfinder minis I'll buy a tidy pile.

I'll be in to get a 5e version. I'm into 5e, but Golarion is my favorite setting.

For stretch goals or add-ons I'd love to have maps. Useful PC friendly maps.

This is a relief. Prepaints are fine, but if WizKids ever offers an unpainted Starfinder miniature line I might be in trouble. They sometimes take a bit of work to clean up and paint, but I'm addicted to Wizkids unpainted minis. As long as they aren't fragile expensive resin figures, I'm in.

You know, I don't actually have any mini's since I tend to play stuff online. What sorts of miniatures do the rest of you recommend, and why?

I would recommend looking at Infinity and Reaper Chronoscope if you want Starfinder proxie minis. The 2 lines scale well together. You'll find some beautiful scifi character sculpts in the Infinity line, and a few character and monster options in the Reaper catalogue.

I understand the announcement was recent, but how far into the ND fiasco did the talks with WizKids start?

I imagine they started talking to WizKids shortly after they realized that Ninja Division doesn't have any realistic hope of ever delivering the minis. The situation is severe. Even if Ninja Division could magically have all the figures teleported to their warehouse tomorrow, they likely wouldn't even have enough money to ship them to backers. Same with all the other outstanding Kickstarters that they haven't manufactured and delivered.

Amiri looked a bit more pear shaped in the old Mammoth Attack art than she does here.

http://www.sassart.com/img/portfolio/traditional/mammoth-attack.jpg

I've always loved that scene. It's great to see heroes in "get out of Dodge" mode.

Definitely a vampire. While I definitely prefer the original art, now Amiri has more bloodlust than ever.

It'd be nice to know more on how this happened. Were those other companies approached? If so why did ND become the winning bid? As a grieved party, I kinda want to know what my loyalty to the company was worth.

Here is what the Paizo COO said about it earlier in the thread. I'll post the link as well as the quote.

These same questions keep arising so let me shed a little light on it for you.

We try and be the best licensing partner that we can and part of that, for us, is making our intentions with new product lines known to our current licensees first. When we were ready to discuss the Starfinder brand with our partners, we approached both WizKids and Reaper about the brand and our desire for minis. Obviously we would want to offer a new brand's license to our existing licensees, especially ones that have done such a good job with our brand, but both turned us down. Reaper has their own lines for Sci Fantasy minis and WizKids did not have the sculpting bandwidth for the project. So we turned to Ninja DIvision and they were thrilled with the opportunity.

We've known the guys from Ninja Division for quite some time and have always been impressed with their commitment to quality so it seemed like a great fit. We are still blown away with the sculpts we've been seeing from them and think that this line of resin figures might be the best resins we've ever seen.

While it is not our place to comment on their past KS campaigns, except to say that any blame placed on them for the Robotech debacle is completely misplaced and misguided. They, like many of us in this industry, were merely contracted to design a game for someone else's KS and Ninja Division followed through with everything they were charged with. It was, and still is, up to those that ran the KS campaign to fulfill the product to the audience. One wouldn't blame one of our writers for Paizo not releasing a module, right? So why are they being blamed for that failed KS? It's just not right.

The rest of their Kickstartes and any issues associated with them are on them and while they have always had the best of intentions, it is obvious that the lack of communication has caused loads of problems. I commend them for being as open and honest as they were in their video update and I really hope that the audience gives them the chance to make good. They know...

This would have been a completely different experience if Paizo had been able to license Starfinder to WizKids or Reaper. I just hope this wasn't a case of Paizo having unrealistic expectations. Then, not hearing what they wanted from their old Pathfinder mini partners, picked Ninja Division because they told Paizo everything they wanted to hear.

That's what Ninja Division does to their backers, after all.

So glad I stayed away from this mess. I just don't trust ND. Hope WizKids gets this licence eventually. Their unpainted plastic minis look fragile but I've yet to break anything from any of their unpainted line.

Is there really a reefclaw encounter in this? That art has me jumping. I don't know why, but they are my all time favorite low level aquatic monster. I just love em. Looking forward to this.

I'm still sad that neither WizKids nor Reaper got the Starfinder licence to make the minis. Looks like it will be pawns and proxies.

I do contribute positively to hobby. I support a long list of companies that have earned my trust (Paizo being one of my favorites). Soda Pop / Ninja Division used to be trustworthy as well, but they lost it. They did it themselves. If Reaper or WizKids had come out with Starfinder minis I'd buy box fulls of them to go with my boxes of metal, plastic and prepainted Pathfinder minis.

This has nothing to do with gamers not supporting the hobby. It's all about trust. I heavily support companies that maintain that trust and warn others against the ones that squander it. It's deceitful and unscrupulous companies that hurt this hobby.

Ugh. Ninja Division. I'll go with pawns or proxy minis from better companies.

It's a shame Reaper and WizKids turned down making these figures. I would've gotten so many Starfinder minis if they were made by a company I trust. No one can deny that Ninja Division has outstanding sculptors. Their figures are great, but they aren't worth the inflated prices. If that was the only issue I could understand Paizo choosing them, but Ninja Division is dishonest to their own supporters (I used to be one).

I have so many metal, PVC & prepainted figures for Pathfinder and absolutely love them. It looks like Starfinder will be a pawn only game until another company gets the license or makes passable proxy minis.

CorallineAlgae wrote:

The Beginner Box is terrific. This book is terrific. Paizo, please take that next step and reorganize the Core book. You don't have to change the rules, just make them easier to find. I started playing D&D 30 years ago. These games aren't new to me. You have a great product. It's all in the delivery. This book proves that you can present rules in a clear manner. Well done. The Strategy guide was worth the long wait.

I explained why that's not likely to happen anytime soon about halfway back through the thread.

I see. Well, considering that isn't an option, it makes the Strategy guide that much more indispensable. I love the game. The Beginner Box was the only way to make it accessible to my kids. This looks like it will help them get through many levels of play.

Hopefully, by the time we finish RotR and start on another AP, the Core Rulebook won't seem like such a rubik's cube. Giving new or young players an easier path into the game system was a good move. My kids will finally be able to gain mid-levels without having to decide between dozens of scattered confusing options, and they will still be able take their heroes in the direction they prefer. Mad props to the developers of this book.

I've had the book for a few days and I definitely like it. My kids and I started with the core rulebook, got thoroughly confused, bought the Beginner Box, had a great time, and started on Rise of the Runelords.

The Core rulebook is confusing as hell. It's as if Paizo tried to make important info difficult to find. A rewrite of the core book would make Pathfinder much easier to learn.

The Beginner Box is terrific. This book is terrific. Paizo, please take that next step and reorganize the Core book. You don't have to change the rules, just make them easier to find. I started playing D&D 30 years ago. These games aren't new to me. You have a great product. It's all in the delivery. This book proves that you can present rules in a clear manner. Well done. The Strategy guide was worth the long wait.

Wowzers. I ordered this in 2013.
Didn't expect to be getting my preorder in 2015.
I'm expecting it to be very well organized after so many delays. If it's filled with errata it'll be my last preorder.

This isn't a dummies guide, it's a "kid friendly" guide. Nothing wrong with this at all. I have two kids ages 12 & 14 who I hope will get a lot of use from this. I plan on using this to help them transition from the Beginner Box to the core rules. It isn't meant for every Pathfinder player any more than the BB was made for every player. Whatever makes the game/rules more accessible to more players is a win for the hobby. Heck, I'll probably use this book and I started playing 29 years ago.