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You're right. Everyone else is wrong. People are incapable of making their own valuation of what they are purchasing with their money. This is obviously true because it clashes with your own value perception.

If only I had been smart enough to have seen that before. Now my eyes have been opened! Thank you!

and the loudest voices (for good or ill) and how those voices have affected other people's expectations.

Bad games have no defense and good games need no defense.

Thinking that the loudest voices on a forum have an effect on whether a game is actually fun seems to be silly and/or wishful thinking.

All games have screenshots, blogs and videos showing the actual game play. Most have official reviews. Some, like PFO have a free trial. Whether someone on a forum says "this is the best thing since sliced bread!" really loud, or someone else shouts "This is worse than a high school project" has really little effect on the success of a game.

If it is fun, people will come. If it fails it is because most people did not think it was fun.

I wouldn't mind hearing from Bluddwulf. I think his perspective is often overlooked and you are missing out on a big chunk of potential Crowdforging.

And just for the sake of clarity, keeping in mind that the author of this guide to buy an account is also a seller of backdated account. I myself would take such guide with caution.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s8xd&page=2?BuyingSellingTrading-Pathfinde r-Online-Accounts

Hmmm. Coincidence that the guide lists the potential value of an account as $1000 and that is his EBay buyout?

It will be interesting to see how SwordCoast Legends fares in this department.

Calidor Cruciatus wrote:

Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:

w w 379 wrote:

Including the possibility of making money this early when the game is so unpolished is a major turnoff.

You understand that without paying any other bills, wages are costing them over $50,000/month right now, just to keep making the game?

I understand it. You understand it. But the real question is, did the devs understand it when they came up with the business plan? I have never seen a company sell boxes to their game and then cancel the need for it before the game even fully launches. I would imagine there is some potential for really bad PR based on the number of people who pledged during the Kickstarter and may have decided to just wait for Open Enrollment. Are those folks being compensated in some way?

I think this is a sign that something is fundamentally wrong with the dev's perception of the market.

Like battle plans, no business plan survives first salvo. They got it wrong. Life goes on. Now they are working to make it work within the market they actually have. The people who haven't activated their accounts still have all their free time coming. The people who have gotten to play for the a while. They all get the free extras. They still get their Destiny's Twin, which is currently going for between $100 and $400. Big loss for that $35 or $100 pledge, eh?

Maybe they'll offer the rest of us some extras as compensation, maybe they won't. What do you get from assuming the worst? Perhaps you think those people that are waiting would be better off if they just said "Well, that didn't work. Shut it down."?

And responses like this one are why I don't post here anymore. But to answer your ridiculous question, I think they probably should have announced some compensation or at least addressed the matter when they announced the change. Again, Business/Marketing 101.

w w 379 wrote:

Including the possibility of making money this early when the game is so unpolished is a major turnoff.

You understand that without paying any other bills, wages are costing them over $50,000/month right now, just to keep making the game?

I understand it. You understand it. But the real question is, did the devs understand it when they came up with the business plan? I have never seen a company sell boxes to their game and then cancel the need for it before the game even fully launches. I would imagine there is some potential for really bad PR based on the number of people who pledged during the Kickstarter and may have decided to just wait for Open Enrollment. Are those folks being compensated in some way?

I think this is a sign that something is fundamentally wrong with the dev's perception of the market.

Don't get me wrong, it's better not to have it. The box charge was crazy to even attempt, but folks running an MMO should have realized that from the beginning and not need folks on a bunch of forums to point it out to them.

I might be mistaken, but I thought players voted to grant settlements to companies or nations (ie. Xelias)not individual player accounts. That's a pretty big distinction in my opinion.

The way the OP is written it sounds like he is leaving his company which currently owns the settlement.

Sure it is Bludd. The Settlements were GRANTED to specific accounts by GW. Only 33 people were given this luxury benefit. GW should reassign it to an active player/settlement. Nobody should benefit monetarily because of that.

Sell your account for all you want. Those were all fair game and ANYONE could have bought a Kickstarter package. Only 33 people got settlements and those were picked by GW...

You are selling a settlement which was gifted to your COMPANY for real life money because you left your company?

that's pretty nasty...

Sold and transferred.

Someone has bought out the auction.

Pending payment

Current bid is $300

This is a bundled sale of 2 accounts. The first account is 1/2 of a Crowdforger Buddy Kickstarter Pledge. It contains 2 Destiny's Twin Characters with full XP. Character #1 has no points spent and roughly 300,000 XP for the buyer to spend as he/she chooses. Character #2 has spent roughly 90,500 XP (Fighter/Rogue Longbow) with roughly 209,000 FREE XP left to spend. This character also has a number of feats complete for faster leveling if you should choose and a bank with spells, recipies and resources (all will come with the account).

Reward Quantity
Buddy Early Enrollment 1
New Player Pack 0
Destinys Twin 0
Daily Deals 1
Early Enrollment 1
Alliance Pack 1
Soundtrack Download 1
1 Month game time 0
Adventurer Reward Tier 2
Head Start 1
Shield Mate 1
Behind the Scenes PDF 1
Character Name Reservation 1

Now as you will see it shows Adventurer Reward Tier 2. One of those accounts sold last week. The second one will be sold as part of this bundle. So that means you will have ANOTHER Destiny's twin account to use yourself or give to a friend.

So to summarize, this auction is for 2 bundled accounts both are Destiny's Twin accounts. one account has backdated XP, and the other is fresh waiting for you to create/name as you wish. That is a total of 4 character slots.

Given the unique nature of this sale, I am asking for a MINIMUM of $300 starting bid. Only increments of $10 or greater will be accepted (sorry the last one was going up $1-$2 a time and was too confusing). Bidding will be via PM on these forums (or publicly posted in this thread if you prefer). I will update as bids are received. This auction will run until 12 Noon EASTERN on Saturday 5/9.

Sale will be completed via paypal. Buyout offers will be considered and if accepted will immediately end the auction.

He didn't claim the game was growing. He said his settlement is.

I have never even interacted with him in game, but just reading his posts would lead me to believe that if ANY settlement were to grow, his would have as good a chance as any.

If the guy says his settlement is growing, and you aren't even in the game, why do you feel compelled to thread crap on him?

Final

Agreement reached. Pending payment.

Good for you Thod! Hope your settlement works out.

OK I will leave it up at $250 for the weekend

DT accounts with XP sold for almost 500...

I really do appreciate the thread crapping guys! No really....

Anyhow. I will lower this to $250 but the offer is only good for 24 hours. After that I will shelve it for awhile. This is below what other similar accounts have sold for

Answering a lot of questions in private. If you have a question feel free to post on this thread as well. It will be easier for all to see.

The benefit of this one is that it is an add on from the Kickstarter so it is literally not created yet. The purchaser can create his/her own account, and pick the characters names, races etc.

In return you have lost out on the XP from the last few months, but as a longterm play some might rather have their characters fully be theirs .

It's also nearly $200 cheaper which is a good thing :)

Correct. This is an unused package that I will send so you will make your own account.

I have one unused Adventurer Enrollment package.

This is a great opportunity because it will allow you to create your OWN account form scratch and have the Destiny's Twin perk. Unlike other recent auctions, these are unmade characters so pick your own race, pick your own names...

As far as I know, this was ONLY offered as part of the Kickstarter and no new ones will ever be available.

This account is being offered for $300. No auction. Please PM on this forum. Similar to prior closed deals, I will send an invoice via Paypal to your provided Email address. Once payment is received I will send the Adventurer Enrollment Package.

Please be sure to follow the GW blog for activating DT accounts as it can be tricky and as you will be making this account it is incumbent upon you to follow their steps.

Payment received. Thanks to all who participated.

Auction is now closed. I will PM the winner. If the deal does not close I will PM the second person and then the 3rd person.

90 minutes to auction end

Updates sent to top 3 bidders.

If you did not get a message you are not in the top 3.

Regards

I've had some questions so:

Eastern Time is currently UTC-4
Auction will end Saturday at 12:00 NOON (UTC-4)

Hope that helps!

Current high bid is $492

Later tonight I will PM the top 3 bidders to advise where they are.
This auction will end at 12:00 NOON Eastern on Saturday.

Just to get us back on track.. Current high bid remains $490

Current high bid is $490

Current high bid is $485

Current high bid is $480

Will keep top 3 informed on 4/24 (the day before it ends) to verify interest in case top bid falls through.

Current high bid is $450.

Minimum bid has been reached. Current Bid is now $400.

2 bids received but both around $350. Unfortunately as I posted, there will be a minimum of $400 for this account so minimum bid not yet met.

I have 4 accounts but am looking to sell one. This is as good as you shall find. It is 1/2 of a crowdforger buddy with Destiny's Twin. NEITHER character has spent any training points, both are PRISTINE with FULL backdated XP!!!

Yes, each has 258650 XP and counting. So you would get to start today and catch up with everyone else who has played from day 1.

Reward Quantity
New Player Pack 0
Destinys Twin 0
Daily Deals 1
Early Enrollment 1
Alliance Pack 1
Soundtrack Download 1
1 Month game time 1
Head Start 1
Shield Mate 1
Behind the Scenes PDF 1
Character Name Reservation 1

I believe it has 1 full month of free game time as I created the characters near the last day you were able to and still get backdated XP. (Not sure how to check)

Serious offers only. As I believe this is a rare opportunity I will start bidding at $400. Bidding will run until 4/25. I reserve the right to end the bidding at any time if I receive an offer and choose to immediately accept. Highest amount will not necessarily win if you are a new account with nobody to vouch for you.

If no minimum bid is reached I will withdraw and repost in a few months.

Bidding will be via PM on this form.

I think the saddest part of this thread is that there are more posts than active players (not characters).

Calidor Cruciatus wrote:

I posted this elsewhere... but I think GW should extend the trial to those Kickstarter Backers who's pledge only gets them Open Enrollment. These are people who ALREADY showed an interest in the game and put money towards supporting it. The idea of excluding them from the test process is one that really makes me raise an eyebrow...

It only costs them 15$ to upgrade to play right now (maybe even less if the current discount code is used), and I think (but only a guess) that would include an additional free month of game. If they aren't willing to pay $15.00 to get in a year early, what is the chance that they are going to be so excited at being in early that they will continue to pay $15/month to play? If they aren't going to convert to a monthly play time, what is the point in letting them in early to consume server resources and help-desk time? Anybody that has OE and really wants to play can ask a friend for a free invite and try it with a temporary account, then decide if they want to convert their OE account.

My point is that the folks that backed in the Kickstarter would seem to be the most obvious place to find people who would like to play this game. Perhaps you forget that it wasn't just $15 to "get in a year early" when they made their pledges. It was going from $35 to $100. So to turn your negativity into a positive:

And it's not even a question of choosing one or the other. There is no reason you can't do both.

I posted this elsewhere... but I think GW should extend the trial to those Kickstarter Backers who's pledge only gets them Open Enrollment. These are people who ALREADY showed an interest in the game and put money towards supporting it. The idea of excluding them from the test process is one that really makes me raise an eyebrow...

The only thing stopping you is yourself not wanting to take the rep hit. That's not a mechanics problem, that's a player decision.

Those are not mutually exclusive...

The issue is that the mechanics are only half implemented. Guilds and settlements are supposed to be able to feud with each other (factions too eventually). It's resulted in a strange "between" state where pretty much nobody is happy except maybe the murder hobos who just want to kill everyone. GW probably would have been better off not even implementing PvP yet, but it is such a core part of the game they couldn't declare MVP without it.

The current PvP implementation doesn't seem to make ANYONE happy. I know it's placeholder but I really think they need to hurry up and get the guild/settlement wars stuff in soon.

Right now the OP has a point, and if that changes sometime in the future and it becomes significantly harder to farm in Monster Hexes then it's just going to be harder for new folks to catch up...

I want my... I want my... I want my M T V

Could I send these to one of my friends who has a Kickstarter Adventurer account but has not activated it yet? If they used the code would it then automatically activate their Adventurer account after 15 days?

Nevermind :)

Accounts that have already been assigned an Enrollment status (Platinum, Early, Explorer or Open) are not eligible to activate Buddy Invites

Was hoping to let them get in and try it. They tried a few months ago but thought the game needed a lot more time to be ready for them.

Could I send these to one of my friends who has a Kickstarter Adventurer account but has not activated it yet? If they used the code would it then automatically activate their Adventurer account after 15 days?

LOL I have no idea!

I believe that Callambea has folded into Golgotha

VOLLEY!